It's Our Little Club (comment)

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Diva
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 03:58 PM

Hell John that'll be me and Jannet and Liz and Isla doing the shoo whoops then!!!!!!! But not Cathie Anne MacPhee cos you never see her and Liz in the same room
cu @ Girvan

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 05:20 AM

fantasy girlie folk group

Good grief.
And Jesus wept (again)
Dick Gaughan would be considerably more impressed by support from the women's section of the Leith engineering workers' union.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:17 AM

Obliged. Servant, etc.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:02 AM

The above functioneth as it shouldeth.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:01 AM

http://www.sunloch.demon.co.uk/museum.htm

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 07:54 PM

Blicky functioneth not.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Desdemona
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 05:13 PM

Hell, I'll join!

~D

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Dita
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 03:39 PM

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Lizzie Cornish - PM
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:56 AM

"Now if I'd been one of Dick Gaughan's Girlies, I'd have been safe..."

Sorry I don't want to prolong this thread, but who are these "Girlies." I'd pay good money to see them.

Great name for a band, mabye we could start a thread for a fantasy girlie folk group.

John

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Folk Police
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 12:20 PM

We even have our own website

http://www.sunloch.demon.co.uk/museum.htm

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 01:17 PM

Thank you for the invitation. I shall suit the deed to the words. No, indeed, I will suit the deed to the words.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Bainbo
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 12:30 PM

...interfering, and frankly pedantic, command of the English language


I'm not sure "pedantic" is exactly the right word in this context ...

:-)

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:53 AM

Excellent idea - both the phrase and the thread

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:31 AM

I think we need a new word. You see, to pedants like me, a folk musician should play folk music and folk music has been defined (see other threads). We also have very pleasant singarounds, song sessions, and sessions (note the Oxford or Harvard comma) at which quite a lot of music that is not folk music is played, listened to and enjoyed. That music is however distinguishable from other more populist types which (English and US readers will disagree over whether there should be a comma before "which") usually revolve around more amplification and have developed from, in many cases, different sources.

In practice the performers of this unnamed music are usually welcomed. It is the perfectly correct observation that what they are doing is not "folk" that gives the incorrect impression of exclusion.

I have previously suggested "New Folk" by analogy to "New Country" quite a lot of which is no longer new and quite a lot of which was never country.   Any better ideas?

I think this is worthy of a separate thread, Richard. Would you care to do the honours?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:27 AM

abbzolootlie

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:04 AM

Yeah if I wanna put commas in I will if I don't I won't.

and if i wanna miss out capital letters I'll do that too.

and as for apostrophes and full stops ill just put them in when i feel like it so there and as for paragraphs who cares ill just not bother with them and just put all the words in one big lump like this and iph eye pheal lyke speling sumthing rong ill doo that two thatll lurn yew fekkin peddance

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:56 AM

Thought the Geordies were all in a collective comma anyway.
Good Morning all from the drizzly Highlands, Victoria, BC.
Jim

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Geordiekiss
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:49 AM

We don't need your "Oxford comma" up North. Our sentences are just fine without your interfering, and frankly pedantic, command of the English language. Desist forthwith!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:39 AM

I hate tomatoes!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:37 AM

You're right about the 'Oxford comma' - I just couldn't be bothered to go on about it earlier!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:20 AM

If only you knew, George!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:14 AM

Sorry, GUEST, do you mean that he was a "Snake in the grass"? No matter which way you "Bend it", you cannot "Touch me".

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:08 AM

The comma between Dave and Dee is also wrong.

It is 'Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Titch.' Dave was band leader so had his full name included. He personally turned me down for a major record deal in the 80s (he was head of A&R for Big Record Company Ltd by then). :-(

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 06:00 AM

Hi Growler. That would be "grammar"? Please also specify the latin to which you refer.

I think we need a new word. You see, to pedants like me, a folk musician should play folk music and folk music has been defined (see other threads). We also have very pleasant singarounds, song sessions, and sessions (note the Oxford or Harvard comma) at which quite a lot of music that is not folk music is played, listened to and enjoyed. That music is however distinguishable from other more populist types which (English and US readers will disagree over whether there should be a comma before "which") usually revolve around more amplification and have developed from, in many cases, different sources.

In practice the performers of this unnamed music are usually welcomed. It is the perfectly correct observation that what they are doing is not "folk" that gives the incorrect impression of exclusion.

I have previously suggested "New Folk" by analogy to "New Country" quite a lot of which is no longer new and quite a lot of which was never country.   Any better ideas?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Sparticus
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:59 AM

An Observer,

You missed out Dozy!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: skipy
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:53 AM

So, I'm not a mmember of the club then! you missed my stupid nick name of the list!
Have some commas:-,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!
Skipy

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,An Observer
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:45 AM

Priceless Scrump. This is becoming addictive. Must get some work done though.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:34 AM

I hope you get a coma in the right place too, Observer.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,An Observer
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:33 AM

And another thing, apart from our Little Club deciding what folk IS and ISN'T, we reserve the right to turn discussions into a load of old bollocks to prove how clever we are.

And we still hate Seth Lakeman, Kate Rusby, Lisa Knapp and anyone else who WE decide just doesn't fit in with our image what a folk singer should look and sound like. They should all be scruffy, and ever so slightly mingin, and tolerably unsuccessful.

And we reserve the right to adopt stupid nick names like, Scrumpy, Bumpy, Lumpy, and Chumpy. Catty, Splatty, Twatty, Dave, Dee, Beaky, Mick and Titch.

And I just hope I got the feckin' comas in the feckin' right feckin' places.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Bainbo at work
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 04:51 AM

But consider the Oxford comma - also known as the Harvard comma. It's put before and to resolve ambiguity.

My favourite types of sandwiches are Marmite, jam, cheese and ham and tomato.

It's not clear whether that list includes a cheese and ham sandwich and a tomato sandwich; or a cheese sandwich and a ham and tomato sandwich.

My favourite types of sandwiches are Marmite, jam, cheese, and ham and tomato.

Now that makes it clear.

Sometimes it's put before and at the end of a list of three things, if it's possible that the first item could be made up of the second two. Wikipedia reports the apocryphal book dedication:
To my parents, Ann Rynd and God.

You make it clear by putting in a final comma:
To my parents, Ann Rynd, and God.


Thank you

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 04:48 AM

I don't think the grammatical rules you might normally use in a written piece need necessarily apply to a discussion forum such as this. I often break 'rules' and I know I'm doing it, but posting in Mudcat is equivalent to a conversation, not a feckin' dissertation.

I try to use capitals and punctuation where appropriate, though, as a matter of courtesy to other readers. Some posters (who shall remain nameless) seem a bit lazy in this respect, which makes their postings (otherwise often very worthwhile in content) a lot more difficult to read - these people are taking the goodwill and patience of others too much for granted, IMO.

Yes, I do sometimes make errors but these are usually typos.

Er... how did we get onto this rather boring subject, anyway? Can't we get back to the punch-up - I mean, discussion?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 02:29 AM

He's right. Commas have more than one function.

If they're separating items in a list, you don't need one before 'and'.

You use a pair of commas around a subordinate clause in the same way as you would use brackets.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: growler
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 06:22 PM

Richard Bridge, I love you to bits, but I havn't got a clue what you're going on about. Maybe I'm thick, but I did manage to muddle through a Grammer education without being able to spell, or speak Latin

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:59 PM

yes, perverted devils....!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 01:47 PM

You'd be surprised at how many people play tunes originally in 9/8 and 3/2 just like this.
Or maybe you wouldn't.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 01:25 PM

I really love this track by Good Charlotte called Keep Your Hands off My Girl.

You can hear it on this site
http://www.myspace.com/goodcharlotte

Try doing a slip jig and a hornpipe to that.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Sandra
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 01:00 PM

thank goodness we still have a sense of humour..... well MOST of us do

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Sandra
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:57 PM

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Hawker
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 12:42 PM

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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Scrump
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 11:33 AM

?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Bainbo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 11:19 AM

O!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 10:35 AM

No!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Barden of England
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 07:04 AM

GUEST,Sandra - That was wonderful. Brought tears to my eyes.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Sandra
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:47 AM

He would if he read this thread.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:39 AM

Jesus wept.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: skipy
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:33 AM

The shortest English sentence is probably "Go."   "Go" is an action verb and can be used in imperative mood, which means that it can be used with good, old "You Understood." So "Go" actually means "You go." On the other hand, if that interpretation doesn't strike your fancy, let's say that understood meanings are disallowed, then "I go" is the shortest sentence. "Go" doesn't require a complement since it is an action verb nor does it require a direct object. With a total of three letters—the same number as the illegal "I am" contender—"I go" should reign as the champion, unless someone out there knows of a single letter verb. (No fair pulling in Old English and foreign languages.)

Skipy

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:32 AM

My keyboard 'missed out' the initial letters of 'You Thought', in the mistaken belief that we are playing some kind of game.
And the above post was in reply to an Anonymous Guest who thought that if a predicate is 'implicit', it makes grammatical sense. This is far too great an assumption.
I mention this because, as the Guest's identity is neither implicit nor explicit, the post is unlikely to survive.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:23 AM

Syntax is explicit.
You cannot assume that people will realise what you meant to write but missed out because ou hought it was implicit..
Especially here . . . (ahem).

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:57 AM

'Or short' is too short to be a sentence as it contains no verb.
Or, indeed, a subject. (Which is also not a sentence).

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:43 AM

Rest assured, my pepper is placed perfectly, or so I believe, in every phrase, sentence, chapter and verse which I, in my own inimitable fashion, choose to write.
And I can begin a sentence with whichever word I choose because I am no longer a student.
Furthermore, I can make my sentences as long as I want them to be.
Or short.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:16 AM

Ah pedantry. Jolly good.
Richard is technically right.
It would, however, be even better to use two sentences, viz:

. . . Slump. They started on . . .

in which case, the comma after 'smut' would become redundant.
Yes, parenthetical commas should be used in pairs, but all commas should be used sparingly. Not in the manner of black pepper, sprinkled liberally and randomly throughout sloppy, inpenetrable prose.
Similarly, the use of apostrophes ought not to be gleaned from the School of Greengrocery.
This is one way in which you can always spot Mrs Route under whatever handle: she invariably employs IT'S as a possessive when the sole use of an apostrophe in that word is to indicate omission.