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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: The Shambles Date: 03 May 06 - 07:45 AM Following the success of Alba's request shall I expect my request - to re-open all of the threads that I have originated and which have been subject to imposed closure - to be granted? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: The Shambles Date: 03 May 06 - 07:41 AM Nonsense, complete nonsense. Each single book or article or letter to the editor I have ever written in my life would have been considered to have been 'censored' accroding to this definition. Each newspaper is censored at a daily basis according to this definition. The word loses all its distinctive power if it is applied so indiscriminate. Piffle. What need is there for any EDITOR on a discussion forum that is open to the public and comprised entirely of poster's contributions and where there is no selection process? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: Grab Date: 03 May 06 - 07:40 AM Any form of editing action that is imposed without the originator's prior knowledge and permission is censorship. Yes, although whether that's good or bad is open to discussion. Personally I'm not aware of any unmoderated internet forum which allows/allowed anonymous posting, has/had any significant number of members, and remained successful and flame-free. There simply is no such thing, and I'd rather that Mudcat didn't turn into Usenet, thanks all the same. If that means a more active moderating policy than was done previously, I'd rather see that than lose Mudcat altogether, as Usenet has been lost. Any form of editing action or thread closure taken to prevent discussion on the thread's subject (even at the request of anyone) is censorship. Not so, IMO. For starters, personal insults are not discussions. For seconds, if all posters (or the main poster, know what I'm saying?) are saying the same damn thing without listening, then it's not censorship - there's nothing new being said. For thirds, flame-wars and personal insults tend to attract anonymous posters (for the convenience of stirring things up), and having to go and start another thread puts a damper on this to prevent it going further. For fourths, if you really, really care enough then there's the option of opening a second thread. And for fifths, don't tell us that because of censorship, you, Jack, Carol, MartinGibson and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all have not been given a chance to express your views - that is provably untrue. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: The Shambles Date: 03 May 06 - 07:37 AM If some feel the need to attempt to destroy this place with their Ego problems it would seem that they are free to do so. So it would appear and with the willing help of a few posts like that one - this would now appear to be happening. But those whose Ego problems now make them feel qualified to act as both judge and jury and who impose their judgement on their fellow posters do not need any further encouragment to close threads and impose yet more rules and restrictions. For they do not seem to know any other course. They will not stop - even after admitting the failure of such measures........ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: Wolfgang Date: 03 May 06 - 07:36 AM Any form of editing action that is imposed without the originator's prior knowledge and permission is censorship. (Shambles) Nonsense, complete nonsense. Each single book or article or letter to the editor I have ever written in my life would have been considered to have been 'censored' accroding to this definition. Each newspaper is censored at a daily basis according to this definition. The word loses all its distinctive power if it is applied so indiscriminate. Why, for what reasons exactly and in order to protect us from what? (Shambles) Shambles, you have a collection of all Joe Offer quotes over the last 7 years and quote from it at least once daily. In the spirit of user friendliness of this site it would be a service if you could link to the last time you have asked the same questions and would quote Joe Offers response from then. Or you could tell which part of the old response is not yet satisfactory for you. Merely repeating a question that has been asked and responded to without giving new people the opportunity to read the old responses is quite impolite. And it gives me the impression that you are not honest with us for you lie (implicitely) about your motivation for asking the question. You ask it in a way that reminds the naive reader of a simple quest for information but since that information is already available to you lack of information is not your real motive. If you would be honest (as you claim you are in many posts; quote available) with us or with yourself you would give us another reason like (1) I didn't like the response then or (2) I have my fun increasing Joe Offers workload or (3) if I get on their nerves for long enough they might prefer to change to rules to suit me. I don't know what the real motive is, but I know you are not honest with us in your agenda. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: Alba Date: 03 May 06 - 07:00 AM I asked for a Thread I had started to be closed Yesterday. It was. The Thread is still there however, intact and can still be read by anyone that wants to. I have received a PM stating that it was uncool of me to ask for my Thread to be closed. That I had no "right" to do that. Well a lot of people seem to have 'rights' around here, why don't I? Seems that even Guests have rights that I don't have. [Roger I also PMd you yesterday as to why I had asked for the Thread that I started to be closed.] See here's the rub. (and this is only PART of my reason for asking for my Thread to be closed and I only supply this part for the purposes of a slight insight, not an explanation) I started that Thread as a bit of fun..(won't be making that mistake around here again for a while) My opening post on the Thread made that clear. For a while the Thread was a tad humorous. In retrospect I should never have gone near the 'sacred' subject of Mudcat censorship and Shambles countless Threads. The final staw on my particular Thread (which by then had gone far off my original idea) was a nasty personal attack aimed at a Member by a vicious Guest. Do you know what is not 'cool'...well it is not cool when absolutely no-one even bothered with that Guest's cutting remarks. I mean why would anyone be upset about a bit of character ripping. Such a minor matter, but boy o boy did people get upset when they found that a couple of Threads about the Weather had gone missing! That imo is uncool. You know Folks, Joe Offer is a hellava Guy. He takes a lot of time out of his Life for this place and the volunteers are way cool people too, they also give their time to this place. I seriously have a lot of respect for these People. I have never met any of them and only know who some are because they have made their names public (big mistake that IMO) I am continually amazed by the fact that explanations for moderation and editing are supplied for the most disgruntled People, even Guests get explanations now!. It would not be something that was done in any other Forum. Yet even though that happens here it still isn't enough. The Moderators continually give the rabid dogs their bare Arms to chew on! If you are looking for someone to blame for the closing of MY Thread then the buck stops here. Right here. Right here at ALBA. I am sure that some will take great delight in ripping my Cyber ID apart, a good excuse to vent any surpressed dislike of the Mudcat Identity known as Alba. God knows we have many Experts in THAT field around here these days. A whole bucket load of self appointed Judges but no Jury it seems. If some feel the need to attempt to destroy this place with their Ego problems it would seem that they are free to do so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: The Shambles Date: 03 May 06 - 06:30 AM You mean you don't want me to be banned? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: John O'L Date: 03 May 06 - 06:06 AM Shambles I would like to take this opportuinity to express my gratitude that you are here to ask these questions. I for one would never think to do so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: The Shambles Date: 03 May 06 - 05:38 AM Old "BS" threads are routinely closed after a time, for a number of reasons. Joe Offer Why, for what reasons exactly and in order to protect us from what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: The Shambles Date: 03 May 06 - 05:34 AM It is certainly censorship when the thread's closure prevents further contributions - except for some who insist on having the last word. Actually those posts were deleted for precisely that reason. The judgement was made by the powers that be that they should be put back in. Not much I can do about that. -------------------------------------------- If you have good reason to reopen a closed thread, contact me by e-mail or personal message, and I'll most probably honor your request. Joe Offer As you know - I did have a good reason - I did PM you - and you did not honour my request. I wll leave you to explain to our forum what your thoughts were on my request. But is this not backwards? Shouldn't YOU have to find a good reason to close a thread rather than posters having to find a reason that you then judge good enough to re-open it? Posters do not (currently) have to find a good reason to start a thread - why should they be expected to have to find a good reason for you to re-open it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: The Shambles Date: 03 May 06 - 02:59 AM As posters are then invited to start another - the imposed closure of threads serves no useful purpose at all. It has been established that the closing any thread presents no technical advantage to the operation of our forum. A forum that managed perfectly well when no threads were closed and all remained open for future contributions. Our protectors with edit buttons only started closing threads when and because they were shown how it could be done. Perhaps it can now stop? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: Doug Chadwick Date: 03 May 06 - 02:31 AM There's an old thread that has just been resurrected on the subject of "What is the worst song you ever heard?" In there, there are 31 links to other threads with similar titles. Seven of these have been closed, although there seems to be nothing controversial about them. Some may have been closed because they were getting too long, in the days before you could look at just the last 50 posts, but others were closed after only a few days worth of posts. Other, longer, threads remain open Why are some closed and others left open when the content seems so similar? DC
As a general rule, we don't reopen threads that were closed because they became combative. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: The Shambles Date: 03 May 06 - 02:06 AM Censorship and Attitude rolled into one Any form of editing action that is imposed without the originator's prior knowledge and permission is censorship. Any form of editing action or thread closure taken to prevent discussion on the thread's subject (even at the request of anyone) is censorship. If the originator does not like the direction their thread has taken when it is clearly following their chosen title - they can start a new one with the title of their choice. Perhaps this thread can be re-opened to enable the discussion on the thread's subject to continue in it? There is no need to close the original thread BECAUSE there are discussions trying to take place following the thread's title and the originator or anyone else wishes to prevent this discussion. This latest example is setting a questionable precedent and would appear to agreed to in this case only because our editing team are seen in this thread to be totally incompetent and are only too please to find any reason to close it. You follow the link provided and judge for yourself - while you have the chance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: Amos Date: 02 May 06 - 11:13 PM No. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 02 May 06 - 10:50 PM Martin - you are NOT a troll (trolls live in kingdoms of superiority)
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: Alba Date: 02 May 06 - 10:31 PM I asked for a Thread I had started to be closed today. It was. The Thread is still there however, intact and can still be read by anyone that wants to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: number 6 Date: 02 May 06 - 10:20 PM Do you mean closing or deleting? I'd say deleting certainly is ... closing isn't as you can still access them .... if you want to continue on with the same subject just reopen a new thread. sIx |
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Subject: BS: Is closing threads censorship? From: Once Famous Date: 02 May 06 - 10:14 PM Just asking. Seems to be, I guess. |