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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Mar 12 - 12:19 PM Greg F, I just think those here who you are supporting need to know just how much a scumbag you are, even if you do agree with them. You continue to attack people rather than discuss the points they bring up. That indicates that you do not have a factual basis for your opinion. What does that say about the topics that you espouse? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 28 Mar 12 - 11:45 AM I don't think colour or race had anything to do with this case, although it is always handy to call on when caught. Sounds like George caught a thug up to no good and defended himself and his property from attack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: saulgoldie Date: 28 Mar 12 - 11:23 AM Speaking of the NRA...they quickly yanked from the marketplace their hoodies with the built-in (secret) holster to fit a semi-automatic. So does that mean that from now on angry white men who pack will have to wear something else? Oh, the humanity! Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Greg F. Date: 28 Mar 12 - 10:48 AM BB has no point, Richard. He's developed a dangerous monomania & needs professional help, methinks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 28 Mar 12 - 09:22 AM Janie, If-inz ya' noticed it ain't me stalk-eratin' GfinS... So why you gonna lock me up with her... I mean, I can say the sky is blue and next thing ya' know GfinS has some blue clicky thing sayin' it ain't... Now back - once again - to the subject at hand... BTW, haven't gotten any response to my hypothetical question as to what the NRA-stand-your-ground'ers would be saying if Martin had shot Zimmerman saying he felt threatened??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Mar 12 - 09:11 AM Greg F reads the statement that someone is Black and a Democrat as that person is " a Dumb Ni--er." He also lied and stated that I had said so. Anytime that he attacks me ( as opposed to arguing the facts I present) I will point this out, and let the reader's know what kind of a person he is. "And the pig got up and slowly walked away"... from the poem/song One night in late October, When I was far from sober, Returning with my load with manly pride, My poor feet began to stutter, So I lay down in the gutter, And a pig came near and lay down by my side; Then we sang "It's all fair weather when good fellows get together", Till a lady passing by was heard to say: "You can tell a man who boozes, By the company he chooses", And the pig got up and slowly walked away. If people here choose to allow Greg F. to make attacks, and not be held to account for his lies and racist attitudes, they have choosen his company. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Mar 12 - 08:56 AM I'm struggling to read your meaning into that BB. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: beardedbruce Date: 28 Mar 12 - 07:36 AM Since Greg F seems to be attacking me again, I have to point out HE is the only confirmed racist ON MUDCAT. He has stated that a Black Democrat is a " Dumb Ni--er." in his own words. As long as Greg F. is allowed to post attacks, I will continue to post the reasons I think hew is scum. The following is from the thread where he proved just how much a scumbag he is: "Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. - PM Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:00 PM .... Beardie is also the guy that, in the thread about cash only for second-hand goods, wanted us to know that the sponsor of the bill was a Dumb Ni--er. Gimmie a break. .... Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters... From: Greg F. - PM Date: 10 Nov 11 - 02:31 PM For Max and Beardie's benefit, from the archives: Subject: RE: BS: Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash From: pdq - PM Date: 23 Oct 11 - 07:37 PM Just for the record, the idiot behind this bill is a member of the Louisiana House of Representitives. He is Black and a Democrat." We have here a person who lies about what other people say, and who reads" He is Black and a Democrat." as "the sponsor of the bill was a Dumb Ni--er." THAT is the kind of person who is supporting you, Spaw. "And the pig got up and slowly walked away"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Mar 12 - 05:48 AM Wikipedia on the NBPP - and detailing the "bounty" as being for a lawful citizen's arrest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Mar 12 - 03:23 AM Padded?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Janie Date: 28 Mar 12 - 12:37 AM GtS and Bobert-get a room. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Mar 12 - 12:04 AM There is no real Black Panther organization... I knew lots of the real Black Pan From Obama's hometown! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 12 - 11:21 PM He's not charged, Rich... This entire Black Panther thing is a hoax... There is no real Black Panther organization... Might be some old wacked out folks who get together at the senior centers and call themselves Black Panthers but they are no more Black Panthers than I am the pope... Think the news media outta do a liitle investigating into these people... Black Panthers, my butt... BTW, I knew lots of the real Black Panthers and these folks ain't them... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Mar 12 - 11:09 PM From what I have seen the offer of a reward for Zimmerman is for his arrest, not his killing, and I therefore think that "bounty" is a propagandist exaggeration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 12 - 10:23 PM These Black Panthers ain't for real... They are probably the same two crack heads, possibly hired by the RNC, who threatened (or tried to threaten) voters that the Republicans have used as their justification to disenfranchise minority voters in every state where they could pull it off... Black Panthers, my butt... NRA or RNC plants... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Mar 12 - 09:58 PM Being as NONE of us' like' 'racism'....Do you think the Black Panthers, offering a $10,000, (now I heard a $1,000,000) bounty, for Zimmerman racist?....or just a good deed?? None of this is ANY good, other than for the usefulness of political exploitation. Shame Shame! Also, on the news today, it was the prosecutors who told the police to hold off on an arrest, to see if they could substantiate the charges. Not that that matters to the kingpins of inciting lynch mobs! Come on guys, let's not lose your heads over this...WAIT TILL THE FACTS COME OUT, before you rush to judgment, and make asses out of yourselves..................AGAIN! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 12 - 09:46 PM Here's the deal... Those of us who find this story more than a little fishy have been accused here of have lynch mob mantalities??? I mean, let's get real here... If Martin had shot Zimmerman where would he be now... What??? Self defense is only for white people??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Janie Date: 27 Mar 12 - 09:27 PM lightner, I appreciate your thoughtful posts also. I give up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Greg F. Date: 27 Mar 12 - 06:50 PM Bruce spouting jibberish, Spaw?? Your'e being WAY too kind- I'd characterize his spew as something else entirely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 27 Mar 12 - 06:42 PM ""Because of the "cast of characters," people are trying to turn a tragedy into a movie script. But life isn't the movies. That's one reason we have jury trials."" Then why isn't he on bail awaiting a jury trial which would either convict or clear him? The authorities have closed ranks to protect him. If he is innocent, why does he need that protection? You can't talk about jury trial when the killer (and there is no doubt he killed) isn't even arrested, no forensic evidence is collected, and no check for alcohol or drugs. What we have here is a dead black child and an armed white man still alive. America shrugs its shoulders. Not much has changed since Kennedy and King. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: catspaw49 Date: 27 Mar 12 - 03:38 PM So good to see you up and around bb.......I figured you were probably traumatised and spouting jibberish from the news that in an upcoming movie, "Butler," the role of Nancy Reagan will be played by Jane Fonda......then again, spouting jibberish is a sign that shows you are your normal self. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: meself Date: 27 Mar 12 - 03:03 PM Um - it's been a month or so, and I haven't heard of any 'random fat white men' beaten up yet. But I have heard of a random Black boy being shot and killed. Anyway, I'd take a broken nose over being shot fatally in the chest any day. In fact, I have a broken nose. No big deal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Mar 12 - 02:25 PM "Guess Martin had donned his cloak of invisibility at that point, so that Brown didn't see him, eh Bruce?" I wouldn't know- I WAS NOT THERE. Nor were the people commenting here. The quote was that a witness had seen Z on the ground BEFORE the shot. In the absence of other information, that, and the condition of Zimmerman as described by the police lead a reasonable person to at least consider finding the facts before convicting him. This seems more like a lynching every moment. If the colors were reversed, would Bobert be so eager to convict Zimmerman??? When do we have the crowds beating up random fat white men for all being "racist killers"??? Isn't that the next part of the agenda???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Mar 12 - 12:18 PM Bobert: "Joe Oliver is the PR front-man for Zimmerman and the "stand your ground" crowd... He's been on every news program out there sounding as if he knows exactly what happened... Was he there??? .." ..and neither were YOU....so lay off the lynch mob shit and STFU, until more comes out!! GfS ...and I was being polite, too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Wesley S Date: 27 Mar 12 - 11:46 AM I was surprised to hear this morning that Zimmerman STILL has possession of the gun that was used in the shooting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Greg F. Date: 27 Mar 12 - 10:36 AM ...an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin. Guess Martin had donned his cloak of invisibility at that point, so that Brown didn't see him, eh Bruce? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 27 Mar 12 - 09:38 AM OK, if Joe Oliver is a liar and/or an NRA/police plant, that will come out in the wash. You can be guaranteed of that. I didn't hear him say what happened. I heard him say what the tapes and the police report say, and what Zimmerman told him. I don't know whether he's spinning for a friend or not, or how much. (Assuming his friendship with Zimmerman isn't part of the alleged conspiracy.) I'll also note that there are people who *want* Trayvon Martin to have been a dangerous thug. Let's see where the Federal investigation goes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 12 - 09:20 AM Yws, Oliver more than likely is a liar as he is going around the country as Zimmerman's spokesman spinning the heck out of the story... Where, pray tell, did he get all this knowledge, Lighter??? Did a 600 foot tall Jesus come and tell him exactly what happened??? You must thin that people here are f'n morons??? I mean, give us a break... As for not not being able to "decipher"... Well, even Joe Oliver says s that Zimmerman said "fucking goon" instead of "fucking coon"??? I mean, either way it is part of the facts of the story... As for this being a movie script??? Yeah, it should be a documentary to teach people just how the NRA operates to sell more gun$$$$$$$$$$$$$$... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 27 Mar 12 - 09:06 AM I can see where this is going. As usual, establishing the facts doesn't matter. People *want* Zimmerman to be a crazed, trigger-happy racist. Joe Oliver (African-American) says he's known Zimmerman for six years. He paints a different picture. Is he a liar? The police say Zimmerman had a bruise on the back of his head as well as a bloody nose. A lie? Nobody knows what Zimmerman said in that inaudible two seconds, which CNN has still not been able to decipher. He was responding to the police question, "Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?" The transcription of his reply is "Back entrance." Then, immediately, two seconds of inaudibility. The perfect opportunity for racial epithet? Maybe not. Because of the "cast of characters," people are trying to turn a tragedy into a movie script. But life isn't the movies. That's one reason we have jury trials. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 12 - 09:04 AM Forget logic, Richard... Zimmerman has become the poster-boy for NRA-Stand-your-Ground wackos and they have circled the wagons around him... Joe Oliver is a joke!!! He spins the mythology as if he had a front row seat to this killing... Maybe someone should ask him where he was at the time of the shooting??? This has become yet another NRA shout down... These crybabies will use anything to keep their member$ (gun dealer$) happy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 12 - 08:38 AM Joe Oliver is the PR front-man for Zimmerman and the "stand your ground" crowd... He's been on every news program out there sounding as if he knows exactly what happened... Was he there??? No, he wasn't but that doesn't stop him from his 24/7 spinning of Zimmerman as the 2nd coming... Here are the facts that we know: *Zimmerman was armed *Zimmerman called the police to report a "fucking coon" (goon according to Oliver) in the neighborhood *The police told him to leave Martin alone and that they had a squad car on the way *Zimmerman disobeyed the police and followed Martin *Zimmerman, at some point, confronted Martin *Zimmerman shot and killed Martin These are the facts... Everything else we are hearing, especially from Zimmerman's buddy, Joe Oliver, are part of Zimmerman's PR campaign... I'm not out to lynch anyone, bb... I just don't want a murderer to blow smoke up my posterior... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 27 Mar 12 - 08:20 AM If you don't care for Fox News, there's ABC. Go to 2:15: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/trayvon-martin-shooting-geroge-zimmerman-legal-advisor-joe-oliver-interview-us-15997138 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Mar 12 - 08:18 AM Bobert, "'m am clueless as to how we will ever know the true story here... Seems that the only person who knows it is the killer and he's already got a major PR game going... But the things we do know certainly make the killer's version of events less than credible..." Why not just lynch the guy, without a trial??? I had thought you objected to that kind of reaction. "George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News. Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him. The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He was not arrested. Martin's girlfriend had said in a recording obtained exclusively by ABC News that she heard Martin ask Zimmerman "why are your following me, and then the man asked, what are you doing around here." She then heard a scuffle break out and the line went dead." http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 27 Mar 12 - 08:06 AM Nobody should post further until they've watched and considered this: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-reporter-joe-oliver-defends-friend-george-zimmerman-on-fox-news/ Oliver was also interviewed on CNN this morning. That interview is not yet on line. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 12 - 08:03 AM I'm am clueless as to how we will ever know the true story here... Seems that the only person who knows it is the killer and he's already got a major PR game going... But the things we do know certainly make the killer's version of events less than credible... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Richard Bridge Date: 27 Mar 12 - 06:39 AM Ah, Bluesman's answer to whether it was wrong intentionally to shoot a blameless black youth to death is to cite an article in a known-to-be right wing newspaper from an authoritarian with a track record for views on race and to show us black youths in another place at a different time shooting a child grossly negligently (technically with transferred malice) but not intentionally targeting her. Just how "Bluesman" does either of those things justify the intentional killing of Trayvon Martin? I'll also take you up on another point - the only way that Zimmerman got off the last set of charges against him in the USA was by agreeing to undergo certain training: that involves an admission of guilt if not a finding of guilt. "Zimmerman entered a six-month pre-trial diversion program diversion program as part of a plea deal in that case, court documents show". Another interesting factlet - Zimmerman's father is a retired judge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 27 Mar 12 - 05:34 AM As I said, it is not gun crime but knife crime that is the problem in the UK today. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/mass-immigration-to-blame-for-knife-culture-chief-constable-warns-6908234.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Mar 12 - 12:41 AM Total crime has gone down, considerably, in the UK in the last dozen years. But one of the most interesting figures is about the perception of crime. The British Crime Survey asks people whether they think crime is getting worse where they live and nationally. So, people think crime is getting worse - but not where they live. It's the perception gap between what we know is going on and what we think is going on. Or is that the Daily Mail gap? • Of the 636 murders in 2010/11, the biggest single number used a sharp instrument, such as a knife, for the murder weapon SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Mar 12 - 12:37 AM I've avoided this post, because, as usual, I figured that it would be an emotional frenzy over incomplete FACTS. As new stuff is coming out, I think we should all wait CALMLY till the complete story comes out. My initial re-action was the same, in thinking that he should have been arrested....but according to an eyewitness, there DOES seem to be mitigating circumstances....so, it's best to wait...and not re-act to the media's courtroom! Same thing happened in Arizona when the Congresswoman was shot...everybody jumped to conclusions....and they all got proved WRONG! ..and SHAME on those who have been whipping up the 'lynch mob mentality' Shame on those who paint this guy as being all 'racist'. We don't know, and neither do you!...But, what DID come out, is that this Zimmerman character taught minorities on weekends, and tutored ALL,(White, Black, Latins) in his own home...FREE....but that being reported, we'll just have to see. Until then, it might do you well, to lay off on the hate/prejudiced opinions, till more FACTS are known. Not jumping to conclusions, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Janie Date: 26 Mar 12 - 10:26 PM Dr. Mahzarin R. Banaji has done significant research on unconscious and implicit cognitions and prejudices. Unconscious Prejudice is a Youtube video of one of her presentations which includes an explanation of her methodology. There are additional links found there to follow her work. Project Implicit allows you to visit the demonstration and research websites to try out some of the tests. From intro to the website: Implicit Social Cognition Investigating the gap between intentions and actions Project Implicit investigates thoughts and feelings that exist outside of conscious awareness or conscious control. Visit the research or demonstration websites to try out some tests and learn more about the research and yourself! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Greg F. Date: 26 Mar 12 - 10:08 PM no workable law could have kept him from purchasing one In Florida I believe the only requirement for purchasing a handgun is that you're breathing- and they occasionaly exempt folks from that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 12 - 09:33 PM So what we have is Zimmerman's story which he has had a month and a team of lawyers to devise??? Hmmmmmmm??? Smells fishy... Very fishy... 150 pound kid attacked 200+ pound adult???? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 Mar 12 - 09:23 PM Here is the most anti-Martin new report I have found: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/26/10872124-trayvon-martin-was-suspended-three-times-from-school http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/26/10872124-trayvon-martin-was-suspended-three-times-from-school My two numbered points above remain true. I would rhetorically ask - You are walking home. An armed man who you do not know, several inches taller than you and one and a half times your body weight starts following you. You try to avoid him. He hunts you down and finds you. He confronts you. What do you do? Are you in reasonable fear for your life? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 26 Mar 12 - 08:42 PM More people are killed with knives in the UK than firearms. This has went up 37% in the past three years. It comes as no surprise that 53% of deaths in which a blade, hammer or axe is emplyed are by Eastern Europeans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: YorkshireYankee Date: 26 Mar 12 - 08:27 PM Desert Dancer said: "...I have less of a problem (not none!) with Zimmerman as an individual in this case than (1) the police department (non)response, and (2) our laws that allowed him to be out there untrained or monitored but with a loaded gun, seeing himself as an adjunct in law enforcement." I agree completely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 26 Mar 12 - 07:03 PM True. People with guns and other weapons kill people, and without guns a lot of the same people would still find a way to kill people. The huge number of guns suggests, however, the huge American interest in them and the vast number of people who own one - though many, of course, own more than one. Few of them (guns or people) shoot anybody. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: bobad Date: 26 Mar 12 - 06:50 PM If you buy the gun lovers mantra "Guns don't kill people....." then the number of guns in the country is irrelevant, no? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 26 Mar 12 - 06:44 PM The U.S. homicide rate in 2010 (mostly but not exclusively with guns) was roughly 4.8 per 100,000 population, or roughly 50 in every million. So your chance of being killed by an American with a gun is about 1 in 20,000 each year. (It's considerably less if you stay away from drug gangs and especially if you don't infuriate a volatile relative or acquaintance who has gun handy.) Too many shootings, but not quite like the TV shows. And remember how many guns are around. By the way, the chance of being killed in an auto accident, also per person per annum, is about 1 in 90. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 26 Mar 12 - 06:16 PM If the British had enough guns in circulation for 2/3 their population, and had a significantly lower per capita shooting rate than the U.S., you'd be in a better position to pass judgment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: gnu Date: 26 Mar 12 - 05:55 PM "We'll get to the Panthers right after Zimmerman is jailed for HIS despicable act, OK?" Odd response. You convict Z before trial and say the Panthers can wait. I think I'll wait until both are convicted. The only difference between you and I is that there is prima facie evidence today that the Panthers are guilty of a crime. Anyway, discount and diminish my comment if you wish. Have fun with it. gnightgnu |