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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST,Janetryan Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:32 PM No I am not the Janet Ryan who may or may not exist, I simply wanted to get your attention by using that name. If there is already someone posting to the forum under this name, I won't use it again. I'm a semi regular and have had a run in with one of the people who seems to enjoy making a fool of everybody in this thread and the group mind one. This has gone on long enough. Joe and Mick, shame on you. I know you've never been mothers with ten year old children, but surely you've had enough personal or indirect experience to recognize BRATS! That's what you have here on the forum, and there's not a mother alive who doesn't know how little brats operate. They get bored and they disrupt, and as long as they are treated the way they are here at Mudcat, they'll continue. Do you honestly think these empty threats about revealing information do anything but make them chuckle with glee? You are obviously too gentlemanly, or simply too darn 'folkie' to carry through your threats and the 'brats' know it. They use all the little 'brat' tricks that mothers are so familiar with, especially 'divide and conquer'. All three brats that I can see, the anonymous ones and LR use that trick constantly when they talk about us or we. Don't fall for it and keep arguing back, it makes you look silly. I at least hope you wouldn't be arguing with three ten year olds. If you want your little piece of the net to be a friendly spot a bit less nasty than what's usually out there, block access for the brats until they decide they really do like it here. Please stop arguing with them. Do something other than make empty statements that little brats can see right through and you'll have very little need to control anything in the future. Bev B. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: The Pooka Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:16 PM Of course there may arise some threads concerning which it becomes a puzzle to decide, for placement purposes, Which type izzit? Especially when Creep approaches Crossover. (Say, does a BS thread ever evolve into mostly Music? Why not?? :) But then again: So Wot? You can't Legislate for all the Exceptions. Hard cases make bad law, dear kindly Joe Yer Honor. / Screw it, flip a coin when it happens. We can find what we want. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: The Pooka Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:04 PM The High Wall of Separation! (And now, in *this* corner -- *Together Again* -- LURCH & HATE!! Let's give it up forum ladies and gentlemen...) Thank you, Joe and Jeff! Excellent. Nice work. Solomonic, bedad. Split dat ole baby. / 'Scuse me now, I gotta go draw my Bathwater. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 08:22 PM From Big Mick: "Lepus, I have disliked you and your posts for quite a long time." "Please accept my apology for saying I didn't like you. I did not mean that, and I do not feel that way." Is that Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde talking? More Big Mickisms: "In the meantime, if people are upset that I am exposing someone who is trying to make them look foolish, I am sure they will tell me." From CarolC: "I also just want to say that no GUEST has ever made me feel foolish. They just don't have that much power over me." From Lepus Rex: "As entertaining as your paranoid delusions are, Mick, they're really starting to cross over the line from "town drunk funny" to "crazed loner creepy"...Take a moment to think about the things you're saying and doing. Stalking people is creepy. " |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: CarolC Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:55 PM I also just want to say that no GUEST has ever made me feel foolish. They just don't have that much power over me. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Bill D Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:42 PM well...I was surfing elsewhere, or *I* would have won the prize...I saw it immediately when I returned...*pout* and I 'think' it is a good solution......Thanks Jeff, and whoever thought it up...it is a simple application of the BS filter, with the option of looking when you want to... |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Don Firth Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:39 PM I just popped on minute or two ago. Outstanding, guys! Great idea! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: CarolC Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:24 PM Thanks Joe. Great job Jeff!! |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Amos Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:23 PM RR: I enjoyed the UFO threade. Why wouldn't I. When I say "drivel" I am talking about "Anyone seen my moggie?" threads. A |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:20 PM Jeff and I were wondering how long it would take somebody to notice. I think Carol wins the prize. Her message was posted about half an hour after the change took place. Jeff did the programming, of course. I don't remember whose idea it was, but I think maybe I'll claim credit for it. I've been bugging Jeff to do it for at least a week - but maybe it was his idea in the first place. Anyhow, I think it works better than thread consolidation, but you may still see some consolidation at times. As for the long list at the top of linked threads, we haven't come up with a solution. As I said, it works well when there are no more than about twenty items to crosslink. It does get a little awkward in large groups like the PEL group. We have a lot of reasons for doing the crosslinks. It introduces people to interesting threads they may have missed. Also, we hope that maybe people will see the variety of existing threads and post to one of them, instead of starting yet another thread on the same topic. Anyhow, congratulations, Carol. You have a sharp eye. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Rustic Rebel Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:20 PM I agree- linking the BS together is ok by me. Guest- post 4:09, that was pretty distasteful and full of malice. Your not a very happy camper are you? Amos- I started a UFO thread that brought some interesting conversation and fun. I don't regret that I did that. Now I'm thinking it's time for a Mudcat St.Patrick's day tavern. Time for music, fun, and frolic! Did someone fix the hole in the roof? Peace. Rustic |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: katlaughing Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:16 PM An elegant solution, Jeff. Wonderful! Thanks! |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: catspaw49 Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:07 PM Looks a lot better to visitors doesn't it? All thanks to Jeff here. Another great job!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:06 PM I, the *&^% guest (fill in your own blanks) also think it is an excellent idea, and said so here: TECH: As Above So Below If it is more appropriate in the BS section, move it. But I thought everyone might like a chance to give credit where it is due! |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:01 PM I like it too! |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: CarolC Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:56 PM I just want to say that I think the change that I'm seeing right now in the Forum Home page, with the BS threads together at the bottom of the page, is brilliant!! Well done! |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:47 PM Oh, so now it's about having the courage to be consistently anonymous, then? Right. REAL men post anonymously, consistently. Got it. This society THRIVES on freedom and irresponsibility. It has regularly produced masterpieces of such--SUVs, MTV, the Bush administration, and too much sugar. Also, if the problem is simply too much drivel and vitriol, you'll have to drive most every member and guest of Mudcat out of the forum to clean it up. Members using consistent names, even their own, are some of the worst perpetrators of drivel and vitriol, in fact. Good standard though. Pretty soon we'll have a folk and blues music forum for saintly netizens. That'll be fascinating. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Amos Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:15 PM Nor is it defined by your ability to be nasty, Lepus. I cannot believe that you fail to understand the point that it isn't anything to do with anonymity. It is all to do with hiddenness. They are too entirely different things. You for example, are entirely anonymous to me, but you have the guts to sign consistently so I have a sense of your being SOMEONE, even though I have no idea who in real human terms. See the difference? Freedom and irresponsibility don't survive well together. One of them usually drives the other out. What has driven some of the really responsible and intelligent voices away has been (a) drivel and (b) vitriol. How about a pact -- let's discourage both! A |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:09 PM Please accept my apology for saying I didn't like you. I did not mean that, and I do not feel that way. I really have come to disagree with much of what you post, but that is distinctly different from not liking you. I hope you will forgive that part. I don't perceive this person and his/her ilk to be conspiring against me. I do perceive them as using the Mudcat for their own perverse aims. To deny that is so is simply to live in denial. You and I will have to disagree on that. In fact, I would not want to go back to 1998. I simply want those that come here to be able to have the same kind of experience. But.........I digress. I would be happy to exchange PM's about what you see as my problem. In the meantime, if people are upset that I am exposing someone who is trying to make them look foolish, I am sure they will tell me. But I will still be attempting to stop these destructive acts at every opportunity. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST,? Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:07 PM Why not change the label from "GUEST" to "TROLL?" From what I've seen, it seems like it'd be much more accurate. Back to watching for those Billy Goats Gruff- |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Lepus Rex Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:58 PM Gosh, Mick, I don't dislike you. I just dislike what you're doing, lately. I think what you are doing is harmful to the forum and the people on it. I think you, and unfriendly people like you, have driven off more people, mainly newcomers, than anyone. You are "run(ning) stupid games" with your persistent attacks on those percieve to be conspiring against you. As you said, "some of the very best posters no longer come here." True, and unfortunate. But to blame this on anon. GUESTs, me, and others is silly. People come and go now like they always have. I know you'd like it to be 1998 again, with your cozy little group of buddies. But this isn't then. If I'm not mistaken, the Mudcat is more popular now than ever. But you say it's becoming "irrelevant?" Obviously not to most people. Relevancy is not determined by your ability to adapt, Mick. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:41 PM Lepus, I have disliked you and your posts for quite a long time. But I never have sensed that your intent was to run stupid games and hurt the forum or the people on it. It is people like this that have changed this forum and caused it to border on being irrelevant. Some of the very best posters no longer come here. I am no longer willing to sit by and watch it happen. I hope others feel the same way and say so. If not, the twisted folks win. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:35 PM I enjoy your posts, DG. I think you are nuttier than a fruitcake, but in a way that I enjoy. And you are provocative in an interesting way, that is always good. One would only need read the difference in your posts and karen Samantha Matriot et al, to know the difference. Your intent is to be provocative and challenge folks to think. This other poster does that at times, but ultimately slips back into the attack and destroy mode. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Lepus Rex Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:31 PM As entertaining as your paranoid delusions are, Mick, they're really starting to cross over the line from "town drunk funny" to "crazed loner creepy." If you took every post by, uh, the person you call "JR WAMSO Matriot GUEST karen, samantha," and put the name "catspaw49" or "Jeri" in the From: spot, your responses would have typically read something like "Hah-hah, well said, old chum!" It is all about anonymity, your insecurity, and whatever other personal problems you have that make you think this idiotic witch-hunt is something a normal human being would do. The only thing missing from your rants were quotes from your close, personal friends, Jimmy Carter, Nelson Mandela, and Pope John Paul II, on how much they dislike anonymous GUESTs. Take a moment to think about the things you're saying and doing. Stalking people is creepy. Why not pick on someone your own "size," and not such an easily despised target as a GUEST? Personally, I'm beginning not to like the idea of some of you "clones" having the level of power here that you do. Some of you are way too involved to be impartial and fair. (Yeah, yeah, I know: "Love it or leave it." You're still fucking sell outs. :)) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:24 PM Use a neuron, Bill. If you rely on CNN for your news, you're watching an admitted army psychological-operations program. And Bubba bin Laden won't be apprehended for 8 days under my scenario. Anyway...Mick...what is 'responsibility'? I think it's subjective. I know who is responsible for Sept 11, and I would be derelict to my oaths to the U.S. Constitituion if I didn't do all I could to 'protect and defend' the country from the people responsible for that crime. So I point out the obvious about our govt of organized criminals and then question a lot. Chemtrails? We're not talking about a single farmer in a crop duster...I'm talking about the air forces of many nations. It merits discussion. Constant terror alerts threatening us with bioweapons?...well, then, when I see New Orleans becoming a Federal district right before another 'Pearl-harbor-like' event is needed to get the public behind a genocidal war, I have to ask questions. And in asking those questions, I try to show people the reasoning behind what brought me to my conclusions. To me, that is responsible behavior. I've made a concession to Mudcat in using a consistent handle, so I don't know what else I can do. You folks are on my list of forums to post this stuff to, so I'll be here from time to time in the future. Just don't read my posts. Last night I was looking up the threads I've posted to here, and I was struck by how much you folks like to argue. HUNDREDS of complaints about 'having to read this stuff'. Do you know what an insight that gives into yourself? You don't believe what I'm posting, you know who is posting by the handle, but you 'have' to read the post. You think I'm making things up, lying, so that must mean you 'have' to be lied to. Amazing. You don't feel right unless you think you're being lied to. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Bill D Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:20 PM "On March 3 (today), the CIA might release a bioweapon at Mardi Gras." SURELY the "World Prayer Center" in Colorado Springs, led by the famous Ted Haggard, can prevent this! And if, in a week or two, we DON'T have thousands of dead people in New Orleans, from Ebola or some other nastiness, it will either be because prayer worked...or the CIA is just looking for a better time...or the Illuminati have bigger fish to fry, or....maybe because no one even thought of it except you! sheeesh! (it's past 3:33 where I live, and just approaching it in New Orleans...'scuse me, I gotta go scan CNN for breaking news!) |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:09 PM Right on, Dreaded one. It isn't about identity, but it is about being responsible for what you post. This person gets the attention because s/he abuses the anonymity to spread a great deal of ill will. I could care less who someone is, but when they threaten the forum with their irresponsibility, that is another serving of champ. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:09 PM Here's a hate message for you: GO AWAY! GO VOMIT YOUR CONSIPIRACY THEORIES SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!! I HATE YOU! I'M VOTING YOU OFF THE FORUM! |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: The Shambles Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:07 PM We are a group, a whole. We are together because we share at least some common interest. We may not all see eye to eye on everything, but the Mudcat IS the sum of all its parts. I challenge you to make it work. Will those that profess to like the forum read this, rise to this challenge and finally stop censoring/shaping and responding/feeding the many-named ones and doing it all in my name? We may not see eye to eye on everything and we don't need to. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:04 PM Excuse me for butting in, but what's the big deal about identities? I make no great effort to cover up who and where I am. Any computer-savvy third grader could figure it out. And if some Mudcatter wanted to zero in on me...zero away. And the govt? I HOPE some drudge is assigned the chore of reading my posts, because I will make him or her SEE that the beast he/she is serving is going to chew up THEM after it gets finished with me. I think we should all post our addresses and send each other valentines cards with hate messages scrawled inside them. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Tinker Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:52 PM Sorry, your behavior is way beyong my tolerence levels. No more. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: katlaughing Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:51 PM A few quotes that bear repeating from Max's first posting from Nov. 2001 in this thread: Please everyone, show tolerance and patience, love and empathy. I strive to have no negative emotions in my life, especially hate. I don't even allow my daughter use the word, and can't remember the last time I have, even casually about a food I don't like. I must admit that something that I am so closely associated with (Mudcat) contains so much of it... I've been through a lot...taking extraordinary efforts to keep Mudcat alive. I have shown tolerance and respect for it and all of you. Do me the same and help me clean up our imaginary town here at Mudcat, and fill it with love... Remember, this site is about Traditional Music. It is for musicians, educators and appreciaters to share stories, techniques, songs, etc. It also facilitates our real friendships and get-togethers. I've witnessed incredible acts of kindness, I've seen people cross an ocean and nary spend a dime besides the plane ticket, and I've met some of the finest people in the world, from 4 continents. These are our core principles and should be protected. If the spite in this forum inhibits the quest for knowledge or a real meeting of folks, we are defeating the very purpose... I need to look upon the Mudcat pages and see beautiful people being happy, because that is why I do this. It's not my work that makes this such a great place (though it don't hurt), it's all of you... We are a group, a whole. We are together because we share at least some common interest. We may not all see eye to eye on everything, but the Mudcat IS the sum of all its parts. I challenge you to make it work. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:51 PM Answer the question. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:50 PM he's been right every time. That gives him the credibility that you lack |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:50 PM It isn't about limits and boundaries IMO Tinker. If the problems here were that black and white, they could be resolved fairly easily, and without rancor and backlash from the peanut gallery. It is about a double standard--one standard of behavior for the Mudcat Royals and another for the Mudcat rank and file. It is about certain members and their special privleges and powers to dictate to other Mudcat members what they can and can't post, and what they can can't say, and how they can and can't say it. It is about censorship and punishment of those posters and subjects the Mudcat Royals don't like, and won't tolerate in their midst. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:44 PM Oh, so you don't use the only legitimate method of verifying who is posting what, which is the IPs. Instead, you expect people to believe you use your extraordinary psychic literary powers to suss out peoples' identities online instead. Credible, Big Mick. Really credible. I'm still waiting for all the Mudcat members to come in here and thank you for this great public service you are doing the forum, by carrying on this ridiculous vendetta. Like you said a couple of posts back up the line, Big Mick, it is still all about you not getting your way about a veteran's thread, and has absolutely nothing to do with you providing a needed, necessary service to the forum. But I will give you an "A" for effort and persistence. I admit I've never seen anyone online carry a vendetta against another poster that goes to the lengths we are seeing here with Joe and the clones. I just don't understand what the hell kind of fear and insecurity drives them. I really don't. You know, I'm really hurt. I said I often agree with your political opinions, and I said I admire your chutzpah. All I complained about was that you inundate Mudcat with far too much verbiage. Is THAT a vendetta? |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Tinker Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:44 PM On several occaisions we've had children over to visit whose parents believe that limits on behavior are not necessary. I've had children look me in the eye and tell me "of course I can do ____ I do it at home" The answer is always " Sorry, we don't do that here." No debate. No discussion. If they can't follow through, they go home. They don't come back for a long time. Very few six year olds don't understand that the grown up in charge gets to set the rules. Some "adults" never seem to.... Tinker |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:37 PM I love it, Dreaded Guest. Message received. I will go off now and just concentrate on the task at hand. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:34 PM I don't have access to your private information. I have access to your public information. Stuff that you have posted before. And that is enough for me to be able to see you everytime. Nice try on the "threatening" piece. But I am not threatening you. You have nothing to worry about from me, except when you do destructive, manipulative crap. Then the only thing that you have to worry about is folks being on to your game. Because I intend to tell them. By the way, what was your honorable intent in pretending to be a Russian who couldn't spell right? It is in the same thread that you started as Samantha. Your act was so poor that Daisy Duck and others saw right through it. And they aren't even clones!!!! Imagine that, some poor, misinformed person you thought you were manipulating figured you out. Must have been dumb luck. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:31 PM Come to think of it, I think the old quote about foreshadowing was more like, "If you're going to use a gun in Act 3, put it over the fireplace in Act 2". Implying more of a backwards chain of events, so when your mind works backwards after the deed, you are able to find your own 'explanation' and put the matter to rest. Without the foreshadowing, there can be no real closure. And another thing occurred to me...I read a story last night about Colin Powell signalling the war would start in 10 days. Let's see...ebola released today...confirmed 8 days from now after people have been dropping like flies for a week from what they thought were really bad hangovers...day #9 New Orleans is fixed as the release-point...day # 10 the FBI produces Bubba bin Laden, who points the finger at Hussein...overnight 'emergency meeting' and the U.N. votes for war and the tanks roll. Sounds like a plan. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:23 PM Oh, so the clones really do have access to posters' private information, Big Mick? Gee, Joe keeps insisting you clones aren't privvy to that information. So which is it now? Do clones have access to posters' private information or not? You can't expose anyone Big Mick, unless you have access to that information yourself, or are given it by Joe or Max or who ever the hell else is being given access to posters' private information. "I am just not going to let that go on unchecked. As I said, as long as I am able, you will not do this without everyone knowing who is doing it." Tsk, tsk Big Mick. That sounds like you are threatening, to me. It also means you have to have access to IPs, etc. to "know" who is posting under what handle, in which post, to a specific thread. That is precisely the information Joe keeps stating you, as a clone, are NOT given access to, so who is lying here? |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:18 PM (Now THIS is a 'conspiracy theory'...one which unfortunately came to mind after reading two or three of the press releases from the illegitimate US govt): WHY I SKIPPED MARDI GRAS THIS YEAR Some of the organized criminals running the world are lunatics and occultists. The Bushes, for example. They worship stone owls and belong to the Skull and Bones society and put store by the Illuminati garbage. And to the Illuminatis, numerology is a big thing. And today is an important date numerologically...March 3. 03-03-03. Meanwhile, New Orleans was just signed over to the new American Gestapo...the Office of Homeland Security. The first large city in the U.S. to go through this process. The areas of city management the Gestapo will IMMEDIATELY take control of are as follows: - Police, Fire, Office of Emergency and Preparedness. All formerly reported to the Chief Administrative Office. - Emergency Medical Services, which formerly reported to the Health Department. - Orleans Parish Communications District (911 Center) New Orleans...first city to surrender to the Feds This will mean CIA can be inserted into what are traditionally local aspects of policing...inserted just as a MOB of partiers descends on New Orleans. And knowing the Bushes have a fetish for numerology and the occult, I wonder if the date 3-3-3 isn't just too exciting for them to pass up. They have also planted the most bogus CIA story I've ever seen regarding 'proxy' terrorists: Groundwork for blaming Americans So, all these things taken together make me think the following could occur... On March 3 (today), the CIA might release a bioweapon at Mardi Gras. The vector is ideal...tens or maybe hundreds of thousands infected before they return home to incubate. Ebola has an 8-day-til-death period, I believe, and that was in the news last week cropping up in the Congo. So something like ebola could be released on the Bushes magical date of 3-3-3, and then a 'domestic' group could be blamed. Some patsy would step forward and claim the terrorist act for the KKK or the 'militia' or the 'Baptists' (the stated motivation would be racial, since New Orleans is so mixed-race), and then secret arrests of white Americans as 'domestic terrorists' would begin. The patsy would claim he was working on direct orders from Saddam or bin Laden, too, in order to get the Europeans off the pot on the war. Also, in order to piss off the Muslim world, Christians are being urged to 'pray' today at 3:33PM. Pray so "the armies of heaven will push back the powers of darkness in the Middle East." So, if assaults against Iraq are launched today, it would sure look to a Muslim on the other side of the world like the decadent, occult Christian churches in America were praying for victory: Pray at 3:33 on 3-3-3 Anyway, I thought y'all might want to see a TRUE 'conspiracy theory' before the fact...one that will have been proven or disproven in a couple of weeks. I have no knowledge that any of this stuff is going to occur, but you learn how to read the stories the mass-murderers feed to the newspapers. In writing, it's called 'foreshadowing'. You don't just spring a surprise on the audience, you make them aware of the possibility of an action first. "If a gun is over the fireplace in Act 2, it will be used in Act 3". So the press has now reported on ebola and 'proxy' terrorists, etc, so the stuff I described above (outlandish though it may seem) won't be UNEXPECTED if it DOES occur. Believe me, I hope I'm wrong about it, but I passed on the chance to go to Mardi Gras this year. And I don't view this as paranoia so much as eternal vigilance, which is unpleasant when you're watching your country being reduced to a place where an unelected occultist has set up a 'shadow govt' in bunkers while he drives the nation to insolvency and pushes the world to the brink of WW3. All this has been done either for A) money and power or, B) reasons of occultic lunacy. If B, then the lunatics in charge couldn't launch their bioattack at a more 'favorable' time than 3:33 today. Which would probably be Eastern time, since Eastern time was used when they bombed the WTC in '93, the Murrah bldg in OK City and the WTC in '01. Each event at 9AM eastern. 9-9-9. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:11 PM Never said I would publish your private information. Your problem is that there are too many people that know me personally. They know I wouldn't do that and that I am not threatening you personally. I reiterate that. But what I will do is see to it that you get credit for everything that you are doing. No more hiding behind the identities if I can help it. I have only used one personal handle, and that is so you would know and I have never shared with a soul here why I use it. And I don't intend to. I told you before, some months ago, that I believe we have more in common than not. I also pointed out that a number of the things you post about topics that interest you are excellent posts. I think you know that there are any number of posts that I have not responded to as they were very good. But when you get on these manipulative, destructive threads.........when you attack a man like Joe, who is honorable and spends hours and hours trying to keep this thing going, when you attack Max when he has sacrificed much, personally, and financially, .................. I am just not going to let that go on unchecked. As I said, as long as I am able, you will not do this without everyone knowing who is doing it. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:09 PM Your motives are to seek attention, be destructive, and to manipulate nice folks He's sure manipulated a bunch of people into being destructive and goaded them ito giving him attention. :) |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:02 PM You are absolutely right about this being about behavior, Big Mick. But it is about the behavior of Joe and the clones, not mine. By threatening to "out" me by publishing my private information publicly in the forum, you have proven what many already suspect anyway. That Joe and the clones are grossly abusing their power by passing out private information about certain posters they don't like to a privleged few Mudcat members, while insisting they aren't doing any such thing. That is YOUR big lie. If you are willing to publish my private information in the forum, e, chances are very high you will do it to anyone you don't like. Therein lies the problem--that slippery slope I keep talking about. Vengeance won't win this one for Joe and the clones, because it never can. Which is why Joe and the current clones likely need to step aside. It is clear they are unbalanced, reactionary, and blinded by their desire for vengeance. They've started to target other posters who annoy them, as a smokescreeen. To try and divert attention away from what their real agenda is here. Which just so happens to be petty and personal--PEL, political threads, and members and guests they personally dislike. They've proved they will go to almost any length to "get to" me. So what lengths do you suppose Joe and the clones will go to to "get to" the rest of you they don't like? Go ahead and "make an example of me", Big Mick. Go right ahead and publish all the private information you've got to "prove" my identity. The only fraud you will be exposing is your own. You will then have provided proof to everyone here, that you are all using private information of posters you have targeted, and handing it around the Mudcat inner circle. And that if anyone steps out of line, disagrees with you, pisses you off, that they'll be next. No single poster, whether member or guest, has the power to destroy this forum. Only Max, Joe, Jeff and the clones have that power. Threatening to expose private information about ANY poster to the forum is a gross abuse of power. But the fact that Joe and the clones are this tempted to do it, should be setting off peoples' alarm bells. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Amos Date: 03 Mar 03 - 02:38 PM Jesus, you get tedious. The issue never has been anonymity. Never. It has always been the insidious vitriol of your posts, which you deliver from anonymity, and the fact that your extreme instability of person, which is dramatized by the fact that you won't use even a token in the forum with any consistency, MUTIPLIES the distructive impact of your venemous communication. That is the only issue anyone has had. Your tactics are designed to destroy communication, while others prefer a forum which nourishes it. Your associating this preference with censorship, rfacism, and whatever other black nightmares your overheated and paranoid imagination comes up with is just ludicrous. You miss the point over, and over, and over again. No one CARES who you really are. All anyone cares about is that you stop peeing in the soup with your perfervid negativity. Your intentional efforts to discourage, frighten, and propogate uncertainty, doubt and overwhelming fear are BORING. I ain't saying this agin. A |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: Big Mick Date: 03 Mar 03 - 02:33 PM Nice try, but you really miss the point. And your protestations to the contrary don't ring true. There is only one thing that you said that is true. And that is that anonymity isn't the real issue. It is behaviour. When you attempt to act as though you have been on the up and up, you just look pathetic. It is not that you are anonymous per se, it is your actions that attempt to deceive done under the guise of anonymity. Look at your posts above as "karen". You act like you are a different person trying to defend. How about the samantha thread in which you attempt to change the way you write and spell, use of small "i" and all that. These are attempts to see if you can fool folks into thinking there is this huge problem, when the fact is that there are only a few posing as several apiece. Your motives come through loud and clear. And they are destructive and self serving in my opinion. You are right. Who you are isn't as important as what your actions are. And as long as I am able I intend to see that you get credit for them. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST,p_m_a@hotmail.com Date: 03 Mar 03 - 02:29 PM I guess Mr Gall is saying if you dont agree with him "shut up". mmmm, now let me see...which country are we in now? |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 02:29 PM BTW, I suppose we may be making some progress when Joe and Big Mick admit to engaging in a personal vendetta here. The Shambles is, once again, dead on when he says: "To make their (Joe and clones) personal comments and express their opinions in the threads...or to place little coloured personal comments, after taking action or when passing judgement upon us..." I know it isn't just me Joe and clones are after--they've also made some of the PEL activist/members, and members who post to the political threads, targets of their cleansing campaign too. They are now censoring and hassling anyone and everyone in this thread "shakedown" who has made it onto their Mudcat blacklist. Some of us remember how a blacklist works too, Joe and the clones. And those people are now daring to speak out against you and your closed fist tactics. |
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control From: GUEST Date: 03 Mar 03 - 02:10 PM Your blind spot, Big Mick, is thinking that anonymity is the issue. Hence your, and the merry band of clones obsession with playing the "smoke the guest out of the anonymity hole" game. If anything will destroy Mudcat, it will be this obsession. Not me or any other guest that posts anonymously and with different handles, which I have always admitted to doing. As have other guests. I don't know what the lot of you think would be accomplished by "exposing" me. Never have been able to figure that one out. The "big issue" to you is obviously the fact that I don't use a consistent identity at Mudcat. That isn't an issue to me. I have no idea if my "true identity" is an issue to most posters here. But I'm guessing that most posters and lurkers here really don't give a rat's ass who I am, just as they don't give a rat's ass as to who Forum Lurker or Dreaded Guest or The Pooka or Gargoyle "really are". I mean c'mon, it ain't like I'm Chelsea, Bill, or Hillary Clinton Big Mick, so just how fascinating of a detail can my "real identity" be to people? If Joe and the clones could actually get their egos around the fact that they are a tiny minority of posters here who DO want to "out" anonymous and pseudonymous posters, Mudcat would be a much better place. Your obsession is every bit as sick as those who attempt to "out" gays and lesbians they don't like. Which is really, really sick. |
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