BS: David Cameron is execrable

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 10:35 AM

I don't usually respond to trolls, but I can't miss this one.
An English resident of Polish origin lecturing me on Scottish folk music.....:0)

My time was before Gaughan, Imlach, or Henderson. Although I knew Big Hamish pretty well and respect the writing of Hamish Henderson, I wouldn't describe either as very "left wing".

No you cheeky little troll, I was brought up on Gaelic song a culture all on its own in which the intricacies of labour relations or gender "equality" never intruded. Life was simple joyous and often hard.....but "that's what makes it worth while" as my disabled uncle used to tell me.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 10:32 AM

I can't be arsed to argue with you any more. I don't have contempt for the electorate, I have contempt for liars and deceivers who prey on those who can't or won't think it through for themselves.

And I have contempt for keyboard warriors like you who are spoiling for a fight from the anonymity of their computer.

Sorry, fun's over, you'll have to find another victim.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 09:53 AM

Backwoodsman
I've already explained that I fully support democracy

Dismissing everyone who didn't vote the way you wanted to as feeble-minded is incompatible with democracy. Everything you say about the Tory party and the right wing press is true. It's your contempt for the electorate that I have trouble with.

What does it achieve? Do you think they are sat there in Labour Party HQ thinking "All those Tory voters are obviously feeble-minded so there's nothing we can do about that."? I imagine they are looking for ways to win them back.

Your accusation that I was "an obvious Tory supporter" was not based on anything I actually said. My accusation that you are anti-democratic is based on precisely what you said.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 09:49 AM

"It's difficult when there are multiple conversations running, eh?"
You talkin ta me, huh?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 09:42 AM

The folk musicians and singers that I grew up listening to, were home grown and far from "left wing"

This from a man growing up in Scotland and, presumably, listening to local folk music in, what? 50s? 60s? 70s? Music inspired by names like Dick Gaughan, Hamish Imlach and Hamish Henderson?

Either lying about Scottish folk music, never heard it or is an idiot. I would go for all three.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Roger Knowles
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 09:27 AM

So are virtually all politicians.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 08:29 AM

Very good post by Stu above. Backwoodsman, the main problem is that the media have distorted the political debate, and there is a good case for enforcing a duty of impartiality on the printed press as well as the broadcast media. Especially when so much of the media is owned by foreign interests. The lies of the conservatives, the paranoia, the xenophobia (of which the Scottish seemed to be amongst the primary targets) not only echoed conservative thought, but fuelled it. Would Hammond or May or Javid or Hancock be espousing such extreme viewpoints if not egged on by the Murdoch and Dacre press? I have no doubt that Gove and IDS would, they really believe this stuff, but I am not so sure about the others. We either have to have a restriction on foreign ownership, or a duty of impartiality, or both.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 07:55 AM

Sorry Jim, that was for our tame mollusc, not you.
It's difficult when there are multiple conversations running, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 07:54 AM

How did the train trip go Raggytash? Sorry I couldn't join you. Mind you, the smoked fish I brought back has found a good home, (belly) and the session I went to Sunday lunchtime was possibly my favourite of the festival.

Apparently they sell more kippers than smoked haddock at that small Whitby smokery so the whole of The UK prefers kippers. Now there's a fact worthy of Keith's logic...

Perhaps Keith's assertion that because The Daily M*il sells the most, followed by The S*n, can be more easily explained by the type of lazy reactionary who only reads what agrees with him. Says more about their intellect than the excellent business model of the tabloids. The Indescribablyboring shows us that those who read newspapers don't want facts, they just want to justify their own bigotry. Hence the failed business model, propped up only by those who like a good read but don't want shallow idiots on the train with Keith's mindset judging them by their choice of comic. (Prejudging is the word to use of course.)

Of course, Keith is also making the mental leap that to read it is to agree with it. I should read The S*n then, because I'd rather stare at a pair of tits than read the bollocks in their editorial.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 07:53 AM

Or, to put it another way, I don't propose anything to 'replace' democracy - I propose that parties determine to work honestly and steadfastly within existing democratic principles.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 07:49 AM

"Conservatism is here for the next decade thank God"
Can't as I don't subscribe to primitive superstition, but if it is, so are unacceptable levels of unemployment, further economic crises, increasing homelessness, poverty and a widening gap between haves and have nots (look at the figures) - all of which, under the Conservatives (by whichever party) is doled out in bucketfuls - talk all YOU want (obviously not about the reality of the situation - your side never do)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 07:36 AM

Mollusc - stop being disingenuous. You posted the comment, "I think that has to be the most repulsive statement I've ever seen on Mudcat", completely without context, completely without any explanation as to why you thought that. In the absence of context, it is perfectly natural for anyone reading it to place their own context on it. To pretend that's not the case is, at the very least, disingenuous, at worst, dishonest.

I've already explained that I fully support democracy, Your persistent failure to understand that, or perhaps it's your pretence that I don't, says far more about you than it does about me.

In case you're still unable to understand what's written in plain English, I'll set it out once more in as simple terms as possible:-

I'm a strong, lifelong believer in the principles of democracy.

I'm a strong, lifelong believer in honesty.

I'm a strong, lifelong believer that democracy and honesty are inextricably linked.

I'm a strong, lifelong believer that, without honesty, democracy cannot truly exist.

I believe that the Conservative Party's campaign at the last GE lacked substance, in the form of policies it was prepared to announce and stand by.

I believe that the Conservative Party's campaign at the last GE was based on scare-mongering and lies designed to undermine their opponents, rather than providing truthful information and involving open and honest debate in order for the electorate to make San informed decision for the good of the nation as a whole.

I believe that the conduct of their campaign in that way by the Conservative Party destroyed democracy at the last GE, because undecided voters who were unable to see through the smoke-screen thus laid by the Conservative Party and its media-poodles were unable to base their judgment on truth.

Got it now?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 07:22 AM

Talk all you want, but Conservatism is here for the next decade thank God

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 07:14 AM

"Jim: in that it has never been any different."
Contempt for politicians has reached new levels
That governments have nearly always been elected by a minority is probably true - parliamentary democracy has always been a misnomer, but as our media has swum#ng more and more to the right and out political choice has become virtually indistinguishable one from the other, so our 'democracy' has become less and less democratic.
"preferable"??? - we are set fair for yet another economic crash - never managed to get my head around Marxist theory, he did project the idea that capitalism would decline into more and more crises leading to more and more repression, particularly of the less well-off in society - it seems to be "all happening now", as the song said.
Perferable to those least likely to be affected, maybe!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 06:56 AM

"...nowadays - minority governments elected by a minority of the electorate is a reflection of the state of democracy today".
.,,.

That "nowadays" and "today" are tendentiously misapplied, Jim: in that it has never been any different. There has never been a government elected by an absolute majority of those voting, let alone with a majority of the electorate as a whole [with poss exception of 1945, when figures were skewed by all sorts of extraneous factors -- and then it was only just - about 51·5% iirc]. Our constituency-based/1st-past-post system demonstrably doesn't lead to governments elected by a statistical majority; but all surveys & referenda, the last very recently, have consistently demonstrated this to be the system preferred by most voters. Sorry if it doesn't lead to the governments that that-lot-over-there would prefer; but as this system as practised is clearly the preference of the demos, and as they claim to be democrats, they will just have to live with it, eh?

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Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 06:40 AM

I think David is doing a fantastic job, I look forward to ten years of a Conservative government in which we will see the end of a benefits culture, teen party house rewards for becoming pregnant, a massive reduction in immigration to the UK, Eastern Europeans refused benefits and the British taxpayer paying family allowance to half of Poland.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 06:30 AM

"The folk musicians and singers that I grew up listening to, were home grown and far from "left wing""
The people who stated the present revival were left wing and the brought a social consciousness to the music - as did, in a different way, the people who took the music and used it to make something else incuding the'beautiful people' in the swinging sixties.
You can certainly enjoy folk songs without acknowledging its social significance if that's your choice, but it's only eating a part of the apple, as far as I'm concerned - and having a social interest in folksong as having "quasi·Marxian agendas" is indicative of an agenda, in my experience.
"Long before folk music was adopted by the political left."
It was never "adopted" by the political left - it was brought to the public's attention by cultural let wing groups such as The Workers Music Association, and later by MacColl and Lloyd, whose love of the music for itself has always been unquestionable.
"It does reflect the opinion of its readers, and its circulation is second only to The Sun."
There isn't a shred of evidence that this is the case - neither of them can claim a political following, nor ever have.
The third in line is 'The Mirror' then The Evening Standard.
The bottom of the pile if 'The Independent', which probably reflects the general view of the British people more than any of them.
It's interesting to look down the lists of readership period in the long term.
Between 1950 and 1999, the Mirror was second popular paper in Britain, behind the Sun most recently, before that, behind the Daily Ezpress.
As the Mirror's politics swung to the right, its readership declined.
The Mail has always been right wing (at on time, its owner, Lord Rothermere, was an open supporter of the Nazi regime)
One of the facts of British interest in the media, people no longer rely on the press for information - if they want that, they go to the broadsheets, or those who still eschew broadsheet standards - rapidly diminishing in the hands of Rupe the Drongo and his ilk.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 06:22 AM

I think you will find that Stu posted AFTER I did, if you want to have a go at me fine, but at least get your facts correct.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 06:04 AM

Stu has written a careful and sensitive post on the subject under discussion, it is insulting to interrupt the flow of the thread by printing something completely off topic.....even if it is extremely important to you?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 06:02 AM

That is extremely interesting Raggytash, but I'm not sure what it has to do with British politics?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:58 AM

I think that is more or less what I have been saying Stu, with a few reservations.
While in transition, we still have to feed ourselves take care of the infrastructure, keep law and order.......this has always been the stumbling block as so many with just "a little bit to lose", will obstruct.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Stu
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:51 AM

"Sorry, but left wing views are a minority"

Depends who your friends are. I'm lucky in having friends that are scientists, musicians of all types, visual artists and designers and writers (including poets) as good friends and they are overwhelmingly what you might call 'left wing', although I would suggest it's something different.

These people all have one thing in common: they are curious about the world, how and why it works and see the value in people; they also tend to be less short-termist and interest in acquiring wealth and status. Very few of these people (there are always exceptions of course) are what some might consider 'right-wing'. Many are doctors and folk who work with those less advantaged in life and understand human suffering can be avoided by working as a cohesive society.

These folk aren't saints by any stretch, but they seem to form their opinions less by hitching themselves to someone else's ideology and more by considering actual evidence and circumstance.

The difference between 'left' and 'right' appears to me to be something to do with how you view the world in terms of understanding that science and art can reveal fundamental truths that are essentially independent of any ideology (for instance, geologists don't give a shit if you don't believe in schist; it's there whether you do or not). This translates into a deeper questioning of the nature of life and how we can exist with both each other and everything else we share the planet with; compassion arises naturally as a result of understanding our uniqueness and interconnectedness.

The modern 'right' simply doesn't engage with these questions on any level. It's adherents actively avoid ANY deeper attempt to understand anything that counters their own ideology. This simplistic, nihilistic philosophy is now endemic in the political class, a self-centric worldview that has spread from the excesses of our unregulated corporate culture and now essentially runs the world. Tories, Labour, LibDems, they're all part of the problem. Bilderberg anyone?

This is why Corbyn strikes a chord with so many people and has frightened the politicos of Labour; his core arguments that people should come first, society matters and should be inclusive and equitable are an anathema to the corporate shills that run the country: to them, making a profit is all that matters regardless of the consequences. They have abandoned any pretence of upping the social responsibility that comes with employing lots of people and gathering resources in a sustainable way.

Unregulated, greed-is-good capitalism has failed as surely as communism did in Russia, and people are suffering and dying in numbers across the globe because of this failure. Time to rid the world of this absolutist left-right dichotomy and turn to evidence-based policy formation unencumbered by simplistic ideologies and unthinking, intellectually lazy corporate drones. Time for a change.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:46 AM

Meanwhile back at the beer festival we also sampled Poachers (Hykeham) Trembling Rabbit at 3.4% and Portobello (London) VPA at 5.5%

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:38 AM

Sorry, I made a mistake in the immigration figures earlier, the figure of 330,000 was NET Migration, the difference between those coming to the UK and those leaving the actual number coming into the UK was 650,000.

Apparently, I in 8 people in the UK were born abroad.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:31 AM

because The Daily M*il sells more than The Daily Mirror, it reflects public opinion.

It does reflect the opinion of its readers, and its circulation is second only to The Sun.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:30 AM

Don't see anything "hilarious" in what Keith said, sales of both papers reflect and influence public opinion it's just that the Mail reflects a much larger percentage of the population's views than the Mirror.

Personally, I do not take a newspaper,

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:28 AM

Backwoodsman, I'd rather be sworn at than called a Tory supporter. I see it's downgraded to an assumption now. Apparently disagreeing with something you said makes me "an obvious Tory supporter".

How would you describe it otherwise?

Democracy. You still haven't answered my question. If you don't like democracy what are you going to put in its place?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:19 AM

I know nurse said you shouldn't get excited, but I am going to risk it by partially agreeing with you.

One working class hero (a public schooled solicitor in leafy Kent) said in one thread that I can't appreciate folk music because I'm not "working-class" any more. Put aside what that means, and presumably, I'll have to put my flat cap and greyhound on eBay....

Of course, you get two dimensional ignorance at all ends of the pendulum. Take Keith's hilarious stance above that because The Daily M*il sells more than The Daily Mirror, it reflects public opinion.

He really should get out more. (Sorry, good people of Hertford.)

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:14 AM

The folk musicians and singers that I grew up listening to, were home grown and far from "left wing"...They had a pride in themselves, sang of their joy and sorrow, they revelled in life and all its facets.

Long before folk music was adopted by the political left.
In fact I think Dixieland Jazz was more of an influence than folk music as it led on to the better understanding of black "culture" and political involvement in the civil rights movement.
Reading about the history of the American traditional jazz players certainly gave me my first political insight.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:02 AM

"and folk music in general, should be to so considerable an extent a haven for lefties"
Those who got the music noticed way back when considered it the music of 'the common people' - social rather than political.
Personally in forty years of researching, I've never had any reason to challenge that concept, you only had to spend five minutes talking to Walter Pardon or any Traveller to confirm this.
Fine to separate that music from its roots if that's what turns you on, but surely you can have no objection to others who would do otherwise.
"quasi·Marxian agendas."
I would expect no other response from those on the right, who would rather regard working people as a cultureless "salts of the earth".
"True, but they do not think it is."
Doesn't alter the fact that it is - proof of the pudding.
Don't know where 'The Mirror' enters into this - just as much a right-wing bumwipe nowadays.
As I said - Lady Gagga and Corrie are indications of mass taste nowadays - effects of Capitalism controlling our media.
A few years ago I started taking 'The Times' (for Codeword) - slightly better written, but a pale shadow of 'The Thunderer' it once was.
Recently, the sewer level they have stooped to in political debate (particularly about Corbyn) has confined me to Codeword and The Crossword.
"Sorry, but left wing views are a minority,"
The level of interest in parliamentary politics and the well-desrved contempt that all politicians are held in by the mass of the people as a whole is the majority view nowadays - minority governments elected by a minority of the electorate is a reflection of the state of democracy today.
Come back Edward Gibbon - we need you!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 04:38 AM

Indeed. I have spent several years exercising my mind as to why Mudcat, and folk music in general, should be to so considerable an extent a haven for lefties. Those of us to whom the music simply & intrinsically appeals tend to be smothered by a plethora of quasi·Marxian agendas.

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Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 04:04 AM

The fact that a lot of people read the Daily Wail doesn't make it any less of a bum-wipe that it actually is -

True, but they do not think it is.
It presents their views, to which they are entitled.
They pay good money to read it.
Far fewer want to read the Mirror or any other paper presenting a left wing view.

Sorry, but left wing views are a minority, and your far left views a fringe minority, and not because everyone else is feeble minded or gullible dupes who believe politicians lies.

Is Cameron more execrable than other party folk who have never had a proper job?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:44 AM

Nah, 'course not, but it gives us a few larffs, innit?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Musket
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:03 AM

I'll swear at him on your behalf if you want. The BS section of Mudcat is la la land anyway so I have no self respect to consider.

Anyway, how the fuck can this be reality. Some delusional representative of the little people put a few posts ago that UKIP reflected public opinion. Mind you, this is the same brain of Britain who also reckons he is a member of the communist party and a member of the SNP too...

Surely no normal person takes this to be real debate do they?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 02:29 AM

Your original comment, "I think that has to be the most repulsive statement I've ever seen on Mudcat", was made in isolation, with no explanation of why, or from what standpoint it was made.

It's hardly surprising, therefore, that an assumption was made that it came from a Tory supporter.

And I haven't sworn at you, so don't swear at me.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 02:15 AM

To allow oneself to be persuaded to vote for a party with no visible policies, and which resorts to deceit and scare-mongering via its tame media-mouthpieces in order to effect that persuasion, smacks to me of feeble-mindedness.

How would you describe it otherwise?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 08:01 PM

Backwoodsman, I totally agree with you about the Tories and the Tory press so don't &%£*%@#^well accuse me of being "an obvious Tory supporter". The trouble is you then said -

I dismissed a section of the electorate as 'feeble-minded' for allowing themselves to be led by the nose to vote for a party without thinking things through

You have to be pretty confident of your own intellectual superiority to come out with a statement like that. These people have the vote. Rather than treating them with contempt we need to reach out to them, something that the remnants of Nu-Labour have spectacularly failed to do.

Regarding your opponents as inferior and somehow less than human is an ancient and repulsive technique.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 07:42 PM

"Just exercising their democratic rights,"
39 percent of 69 percent - doesn't sound particularly democratic to me - which wasn't the point I was making.
The fact that a lot of people read the Daily Wail doesn't make it any less of a bum-wipe that it actually is - I believe The Sunday Sport had a pretty large following - as did The Vomit of the World before Rupe the Ratbag pulled the plug..
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 04:59 PM

Mr Cameron also promised to bring down immigration to the "Tens of thousands", The latest immigration figures are 330,000 pa, the highest ever figure.....Mr Farage has been proved correct again.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 04:26 PM

Mollusc, why don't you follow your own advice and read and understand what i said?

I reiterate - I have no problem with people having a different political viewpoint to mine. I welcome it. What I do have a problem with is a party who, via their powerful allies in the media, lie and deceive their way into power - e.g. by their claim, repeated several times on TV by Camermoron, and many, many times by The Daily Heil and its ilk, that Labour, by their financial ineptitude, 'caused' the 2008 Financial Crash. That was a repulsive lie, easily refuted, yet many clearly were taken in by it.

The Tory press are currently engaged in a campaign of demonising refugees and asylum-seekers, people whose lives have been destroyed in their own countries and who look to nations like ours for succour and support. That's what I call repulsive.

The Minister for Work and Pensions has, for many months now, presided over a system of culling the sick and disabled - only today, he has had to admit that 4,000 people in that category died within six weeks of being declared 'fit for work' and losing their financial support. That's what I call repulsive.

The only policy announced by the Self-Servatives during their election campaign was an airy-fairy promise to cut an un-defined 12 billion pounds from the benefits bill. Yet they didn't make any mention of the 100-or-so-billion that they don't recover from tax evaders and avoiders. That's what I call repulsive.

I certainly don't support a party who behaves as Robin Hood in reverse, stealing from the poor to give to the rich, selling off the NHS and our only profitable railway to their cronies and supporters. That's what I call repulsive.

Of course I support democracy. What I don't support is a party which is prepared to tell the undecided what they want to hear, whilst deliberately avoiding telling the truth. A party which tells what it knows are bare-faced lies in order to discredit its opponents. That's what I call repulsive.

I dismissed a section of the electorate as 'feeble-minded' for allowing themselves to be led by the nose to vote for a party without thinking things through, for being whipped by the lies and deceit of the Self-Servative Media Machine. That's what I call repulsive.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:58 PM

"Alas, it only goes to show how unpopular Muppet Miliband & Numptie Nigel were during the G.E. that they lost to Cameron the Cringeworthy. "

I don't know about that, UKIP increased their share of the popular vote dramatically, but the "democratic system" ensured they got just 1 MP?....they increased their vote by reflecting public opinion on the EU and unregulated immigration.

Surely you did not expect UKIP to beat the Tories?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:56 PM

And not a mollusc amongst us.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:53 PM

The Multi-headed Musket
Goo on! Clock him a fucker!!!

Sigh!

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:49 PM

Just exercising their democratic rights, Jim. But, like most self-proclaimed democrats, you despise the demos and all its choices. None so class-conscious as the leftie!

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Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:48 PM

Backwoodsman, could I ask you to actually read what I have said and make an effort to understand it?

I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a Tory supporter but I am a supporter of democracy. You dismissed a large proportion of the electorate as feeble-minded for not voting the way you think they should. What do you want to do, disqualify the feeble-minded (i.e. anyone who votes Tory) from voting? Put them up against the wall come the revolution? We need to win those people over not regard them with contempt. I'll ask again, if you don't like democracy what are you going to put in its place?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:19 PM

And only 39.9 percentage of those who did vote, voted for the Conservatives
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:16 PM

Sadly the British public prefer Coronation Street to Coriolanus and Lady Gaga to Lizzie Higgins - and only 61 percent of them bother to vote in elections - wonder which newspaper they pick those habits up from
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 02:32 PM

I would be most surprised if David Cameron does not stay on for a third term, and most disappointed.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 01:55 PM

That other leftie paper, The Guardian, is way behind The Telegraph and most other papers in sales.

You can not claim that the public is duped by right wing papers.
They could read left wing papers.
They choose not to.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 01:43 PM

Keith's choice of comic

It is not my own choice at all.
Where did you get that from, or is making up shit just a habit?