BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 05:56 PM

this thread has proved exactly what it set out to do.

The hate for me doesn't bother me. and I am not going to go anywhere.

I did not single anyone specifically out on this thread.

Many of you opened your mouth in your defense and some of you managed as usual to single yourself out.

You know who you are and you know it is true.

Joe, you do have quite a few here who support terrorists and you know that is true also.

The double standard of bigotry, zero tolerance, and hypocracy live among many here.

Only a few of you such as Larry K, Number 6, Peace, and Little Hawk make much sense on this thread. Most of the rest are just full of the usual hate.

YOU CANNOT BE ANTI-ISRAEL AND NOT BE ANTI-JEWISH!

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 04:00 PM

By the way - speaking of bigotry - my uncle Jim was one in the first team of doctors that entered the Buchenwald death camp. He saved a lot - and lost a lot of patients there. He was a changed man after that experience. When he found out that the guard dogs that were still there had been living on a diet of human livers he shot them all. His stories about those days were the best lesson I ever could have hoped to learn about the evils of bigotry in any form. And just how bad it can get.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 03:42 PM

When you deal with freedom of speech it gets pretty tricky. You have to put up with stuff. I don't want to put words in their mouths but the way I see it - the folks who run the Mudcat would prefer for it to be an open forum with little or no censorship.

So - Martin has the freedom to post jokes about the death of my infant son. He has the freedom to poke fun at people in wheelchairs. He has the freedom to refer to women as body parts. Sometimes he's deleted, sometimes he isn't. But the freedom he enjoys means that from time to time he's going to read posts that may be offensive to his delicate sensibilities. That's called freedom of speech.

It looks like the only options are censorship - or one can try to live with the rules as they stand now.

Or one can try not to be so sennnnnnnnnnnnnsitive

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 03:23 PM

Hold the door, gnu: I'm right behind you..

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:57 PM

Well, well, well. Here we go again. Thank goodness Max is such a nice guy. Otherwise, that very first post might be considered Prima Facie evidence in a libel lawsuit. I wonder if this is the first time you have libelled people here at the Café?

This is me... leaving. Anyone else care to leave?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Arne
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:50 PM

'Martin Gibson':

As I said in another thread, Jews are about Israel.

Then you're simply mistaken. FWIW, there's plenty of Jews that disapprove of what the gummint of Israel has done over the years. Then again there's plenty of Jews that really don't care a lot one way or the other as a practical matter. Maybe you think that Jews should be "about Isreal", but that's just you trying to speak for others that are quite capable of coming to conclusions and making decisions on their own.

Peace:

However, the screwing the Palestinians got is from many countries. Only one of those countries is Israel. The others? Try damned near ever Arab state in the mid-East. Keep that in perspective. The people who only note Israel as 'causing' the Palestinian difficulty likely do hate Jews to one degree or other. That is too bad for them.

Let's not leave out the Brits and other colonial powers (including the U.S.) who have made a real bollix of Arabia and Southern Asia in general. The seeds for trouble were sown a long time before the partition of Palestine. Now keep in mind that this vast area hasn't seen lots of peace and prosperity over rceent centuries regardless, and that they could have done quite a job of mucking things up all on theiur own. But, unfortunately, we helped them, and for what we contributed, now we have to take some blame.

But while we should be spreading blame around, that's no excuse for a "tu quoque" defence; where there is injustice, let's protest it, no matter where it comes from, and no matter what horrors (and there are plenty) others may have done.

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:31 PM

"I favor both Jewish and Muslim semites who are willing to get along with each other and live in peace, side by side."

Me to L.H.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:19 PM

Oh, I just like to talk, that's all. How about you?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:19 PM

Didn't take long for him to sucker you in did it?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 02:14 PM

No, Azizi, I was not referring to blacks in my comment about baseball caps on backwards. I was making a satirical joke, my intention to somewhat lampoon a thread which I think is misguided, by responding to it with a ridiculous humorous statement. The joke was based on the fact that there are a lot of really immature-acting teenage boys and young men in this town of mine who seem to like wearing baseball caps backwards, and they piss me off somewhat, because they cause property damage and often act like idiots (mostly to impress their peers).

They are virtually ALL white. I swear. That just happens to be this town, Azizi. This ain't the big city. This is small town Ontario, and the vast number of people around here are white. There are a few Native Americans here too, mostly Ojibwas. There are a few Asians. I know of at least one black family in town, and the father is a very well respected member of the city council, a highly respected man around here. His name is Fayne Bullen. I've seen one or two other black people in town, but they don't wear baseball caps at all, as far as I recall.

It was the white kids in general here that I was referring to. They are a glut on the market, and most of them choose to wear their baseball caps backwards, because they got the idea from American TV shows that it is cool to do that.

Looks to me like I unintentionally nudged a chip that is resting on your shoulder, Azizi, but I assure you that was not what I had in mind. I was simply making fun of the premise this thread is based upon.

I do NOT hate people who wear baseball caps backwards in truth, for heaven's sake! (but some of them have been known to annoy me at times)


Martin & 6 - Yes, I understand that the state of Israel is "a homeland for all Jews, physically and spiritually"...or at least that is how it is seen by most Jews. Fine. There are differences of opinion among Jews regarding the specific political and military policies OF the state of Israel, are there not? Do not some Jews favor holding onto conquered territory in Syria, Jordan, and so on? Do not others favor evacuating those terrritories? Are not some Jews more hardline and aggressive in their views than others?

Well, if I criticize the hardliners, and I do, then I am simply agreeing with the Jews who also criticize them. That makes me a friend of liberal Jews. To be a friend of liberal Jews does not equate to being anti-Semitic. I would have to be against ALL Jews to be anti-semitic (as you guys use the word), and I am not against all Jews.

It is not Jews I oppose, it is certain specific policies of the state of Israel I oppose. I also oppose Muslim hardliners, and am in agreement with Muslims who want to peacefully coexist with Jews.

So, you can clearly see that I am not anti-semitic. I favor both Jewish and Muslim semites who are willing to get along with each other and live in peace, side by side.

I disagree with those who want to keep on killing each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:27 PM

Larry K, Israel is incapable of accomplishing it's expansionist agenda without the hard earned money of the US taxpayers. As long as Israel is using other peoples money to do its dirty work, it is not in a position to dictate the terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:22 PM

Eloquently expressed Larry K.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:18 PM

Not true, number 6. My posts on this issue are always for one purpose... to remove any excuses for the continuation of the occupation. As long as people continue to try to justify the occupation, I will continue to try to shoot their justifications down.

I enjoy eating halva, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:16 PM

It is always amazing to me how much attention Israel gets considering how tiny it is and how few people live there.    Just shows you how great jews are at public relations.   What other coutnry that size could get 805 of the United Nations resolutions to be about them.

How many resolutions has the UN made about Guam? Bora Bora?   St. Marteen?   Austria?   No- 80% of them are about Israel- that incredible bully of the Middle East.   Pretty impressive that a country with 1% of the populations bullys the other 99%.

I think that Isreal should give back the West Bank as soon as the US gives back it's land to the Mexicans and Native Americans.   Great Britain can give back it's land.    In fact lets go back to the Roman and give allof Europe to Italy.   Or maybe the Greeks because they had a nice run of being in charge as well.   Maybe we got to go all the way back to Adam and Eve.   If they were Jewish than the world belongs to the Jews.   And who would make better landlords than Jews?

Every country in the world has done good things and bad things.   The only difference is that most of the world accepts each countries right to exist.   Throughout history, a large portion of the world has been trying to wipe the Jews/israel of the face of the map.

Short Jew Primer on all Jewish Holidays:   someone tried to kill us. We survived. Let's eat.

There will always be anti semitics out there trying to wipe Israel off the face of the map.   6,000 years later we are still here.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:52 PM

We know where you stand is Carol ... we know.

Problem is if someone posted a thread about how much they enjoy eating halva you would post your views on the occupation issues.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:51 PM

To be against certain intransigent policies of both the Israeli government and the suicide bombers of Hamas is not to be antisemitic or anti-Jewish. I agree with Amos here pretty much down the line---and with others here---and with you, Martin, when you understand your own fears may lead you to paranoia and possible miscalculations.
As I have said here, my mother was Jewish and that makes me Jewish to many Israelis and Jews, and gives me entrance to Israel as well. As an evolved atheist, now, I still consider myself Jewish -- mainly because Hitler would've burned me to a crisp because of who my mother was. Often we become, at least, some of what others see us as. In that way, Hitler defines me as Jewish. (My dad loved Scotch too much, but I don't consider myself liquor-ish (licorice) although I saw the fact of that craving in myself---and dropped the booze summarily.

We are complex---and I, for one, derived my positions after waiting and watching the world around me for many years before stating how I see things and feel about them in any thread here. Please, Martin, understand that these are nuanced positions for all of us. To advocate eventual peace -- with ALL the Palestinians' realities, and with Israeli realities as well, is what I, personally, hope can be achieved. This life is, as we've seen throughout everyone's history, a tragic adventure. Some few of us get to live in a time of more peace than not.

To digress a bit: Those of us who lived through the boredom of the Eisenhower years in the 1950s here in America, never saw that peace as a blessing--although it was that. It was viewed by the youth then as in need of energising and empowering to make right social and political and economic inequalities--and it was, to us in the Beat generation, a reason to get "On The Road" and search. That led to the '60s... (And some of us sang folksongs to minmally finance our ways 'on the road.'

(A joke from that peaceful era went: What do you do with an Eisenhower doll????" answer: "Wind it up---and it sits on it's ass for eight years!" ;-) It was peaceful though--thanks to the many thousands dead and wounded in WW2.)

I know this post is a hodge podge of stuff---but it's all provoked by previous posts to this thread.)

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST,mick
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:18 PM

Martin , As an American ,don't you consider the USA to be your homeland? It's not fair for you to have two homelands when the Palestinians have none.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Pied Piper
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:15 PM

There's only one race of people: the human race.
Groups of people who think they are special because of some "unique inheritance" are racists.

PP

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:02 PM

I would just like to point out, one more time (for those who think they know my postition on this issue), that I have NEVER suggested or even hinted that the people who live in what is now Israel should be forced to leave there, nor that I think that Israel should become anything other than the Jewish State.
For the one-hundred-millionth time, what I am saying is

END THE OCCUPATION OF THE WEST BANK AND EAST JERUSALEM (AND THE STRANGLE HOLD ON GAZA)

That is all.

One more time for those who didn't get it the last time


END THE OCCUPATION


That is all.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:52 AM

Please make an attempt to keep this a civil discussion. Terms like "delusional creep" and "asshole" are not what most people would consider civil. I hate to keep closing threads, just because we have a number of people here who don't seem to be able to carry on an intelligent discussion.
I would suggest that a general "Mudcat Anti-Semitism thread is inflammatory in itself. It would be far better to disagree with somebody's statement in the thread and in the context where the statement was made, rather than making an allegation of widespread Anti-Semitism.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Grab
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:33 AM

The only thing wrong with your comments is that Israel and Judiasm is synonomous. Though I have never been there, I am a citizen of that country. As I said, it is my homeland, it's people and it's land are the same thing.

So Martin, you're a citizen of the US, right? Think of the following actions of the US:

- Jim Crow
- Japanese-American internment
- HUAC
- Bay of Pigs
- Vietnam
- Bombing of Cambodia
- Deposing the Shah of Iran and setting up Khomeini in charge
- Reaganomics
- Grenada
- Supporting Saddam Hussein
- Strategic Defense Initiative
- Enron

Can we therefore take it for granted as a citizen of the US: you are 100% in favour of all those having taken place; that no-one other than US citizens has a right to criticise them; and that criticising them is a personal attack on you, and indeed on all US citizens and the very existence of the US as a nation? Enquiring minds want to know...

But you're right on one out of three, anti-Israel opinion is sky-high at the moment. Anti-white-police opinion was pretty high in Birmingham, Alabama too. I wonder why?

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:24 AM

Are jews who don't support some of Israel's policies anti-semitic?

I don't support all of "America's" policies, but that does not make me anti-American. (although in your mind, Martin, it may.)

(I do respect your love of the "homeland," even though I can't fully understand it, as my faith as a Christian isn't nearly as strongly identified with Jerusalem.)

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:19 AM

Gervase ... you support one side ... I support humanity on both sides ... though I am more familiar with the Israeli side ... I do try to undertand the Palestinian side.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:19 AM

It's a bit rich Martin you starting this thread, it's not people dislike Jews, it's people dislike you. Take your ball and go home son.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:12 AM

Same old same old:
   "If you ain't for us, you're agin' us!"

It seems that the 'paranoia' you cherish so much, Martin, has once more blinded you to the difference between criticism of policy and behavior and Judaism and Israel in general. It is the case that ALL parties in this conflict are showing various degrees of hateful stubborness and pig-headededness.........why? Because they are ALL partially right in their claims about 'homeland' and history. The area has deep historical cultural and religious significance to three different groups, and no one wants to share.

It is undeniable what atrocities and persecution the Jews have suffered in various ways...and it is ALSO clear that the way they chose to redress those grievances caused harm and misery to Palestinians and others.

No use me typing for 6 hours to 'prove' this...thousands of pages have been written explaining the viewpoints of ALL sides of this mess, and you, Martin, are simply exemplifying the old adage "It all depends on whose ox is being gored." You accentuate the claims of your groups, denigrate the claims of other groups, and label anyone who disagrees with you as "anti-Semitic", when maybe all they are is "anti-selfishness". Sure...there are plenty of anti-Semites in the world...but there are just as many anti-Muslims or anti-Christians who refuse to see anything but their own biased viewpoint.

Face it....you ***CANNOT*** divide up that small area in the middle-East in a way that will please everyone, and now EVERYONE has too many guns and too much hate. They all refuse to share, so they go on fighting and calling bystanders who refuse to support them nasty names.


sorry, but as a member of NONE of those groups, I see just a very sad, hopeless situation.

Ever hear the Bob Beers song about peace, with the lines:
"False are the bickering reigns
Of Honor, of Homeland, of War"?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:07 AM

Here's something that will expain where I'm coming from.Off topic (slightly) from the focus of this thread ... but what the hell...

Anyway, what is required for true peace to be obtained in this ongoing conflict is understanding from both sides ... when you look deeply into it ... Palestinians, and Israelis have a lot in common.

one sides effort in undertanding


sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:00 AM

Jerusalem is also sacred to Muslim and Christians.
But that's beside the point.
I'm dead against the tactics of the government of Israel, and I think the actions of those Israelis opposed to the oppression of the Palestinians are heroic.
Of course, in the eyes of someone like Gibson, that probably makes me anti-Semitic. Particulary because I support the actions of these people.
But, hey, will I lose any sleep? And could I actually give a toss what Martin Gibson thinks?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 10:58 AM

Israel and Judaism is synonomous does not equal Zionism.

just as Mecca and the Kabal is synonomous to Muslims. That statement does not refer specifically to Islamic fundamentalists.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 10:48 AM

Thus spake Farty Marty:
pfft pfft   bbbrrrrrrraaaaaaAAAAAAAAAPPP!

NOTE: If you want this asshole to go away, don't respond to his bullshit in an obviously futile attempt to engage him in intelligent discussion. [or intelligent anything, for that matter].

Simple, really.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Paul Burke
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 10:46 AM

You can be anti Israel and not be anti- Jewish. You're huffanpuffing again, Gobbo. I'll introduce you to quite a few anti- Israel Jews if you want.

Oh, you reply, THEY aren't proper Jews....

"Israel is the homeland of all Jews, Israel and Judiasm is synonomous." Sadly, between about 650AD and the 1930s it was also the homeland of quite a few other people. That's the problem today.

If Israel is solely about Jews it is a racist state. There is no separation between different racisms- if you support one kind of racism, you implicitly support them all. Jews who back a Jewish state are also retroactively backing an Aryan state.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 10:37 AM

"But having seen and experienced anti-semitism in my life on more than a few occasions, and you never have, I absolutely know what I am talking about here." I agree with Sage- my guess is that most of the time what you perceive as anti-Semitism (Learn to capitalize it, dammit. Show some respect.) here and elsewhere it is only anti-loudmouthism, not to mention anti-loutism.

"You cannot be anti-Israel and not be anti-Jewish. The Star of David is our symbol on that Israeli flag." I recognize and respect the veneration that most Jews feel toward the State of Israel. However, I do know at least one Jew who is very far from being a Zionist. What about him?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: michaelr
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 11:56 PM

We have a right to be paranoid (Martin Gibson)

Why don't you exercise your right to be a delusional creep elsewhere?
Go away, Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 11:14 PM

Jews in Israel and elsewhere around the world would probably cringe in horror if they realized a loud-mouthed opinionated bigot like MG was speaking for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:49 PM

Little Hawk said "I hate people who wear baseball caps backwards. I'm not sure if any of them are Jews or not. If so, though, I think it's a very small minority of them."

Well alot of African American males wear baseball hats backwards- it's a style thing. And btw, there's a small population of Black Americans who are Jewish.

Little Hawk, I'm wondering if you wrote that comment to defuse a potentially divisive discussion? If so, I don't think it worked.

And btw #2: Sorry you're having a shitty day, Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:48 PM

Pay attention, Azizi.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Azizi
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:35 PM

What Peace said:
"I have seen what I perceive to be varying degrees of racism here, as well as sexism (from both sexes) as well as chauvinism. But I have seen many good people post, too. Lots of good people."

I agree with that statement. And I'd like to go further and say that I have seen and heard very much more anti-semitism comments [comments against Jewish persons and/or comments against persons of Middle Eastern descent}in the real world than I have read on Mudcat.

As to racism, most of the time I chose to ignore what I consider to be racist remarks [on Mudcat and in the 'real world'. But Martin, far be it for me to suggest what response you should make to what you consider to be problematic.

Different strokes for different folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:30 PM

And the Israeli government recognizes there is meaning there.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:27 PM

Never seen this thread before in the Mudcat.

Anyway ... The Western Wall (wailing wall) in Jerusalem in Israel is the most central part to Jewish identity ... Jerusalem is the dominating holy place to Jews .... much like Mecca and the Kaba is to Muslims. Mecca and the Kabal is synonomous to Muslims.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:53 PM

bobert's post is so ignorantly funny. It's not about me bobert. It's about rampant Mudcat anti-semitism. It's not even about Bush.

You cannot be anti-Israel and not be anti-Jewish. The Star of David is our symbol on that Israeli flag.

Perhaps enough anti-semitism here will make it one of top site hits for the topic. Sometimes I think because of certain posters here, it deserves to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:47 PM

Give over...I don't know whether to laugh or cry....sheesh.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:46 PM

What is a lot of bull, sIx, is that when Martin gets bored he stares the exact same threads... Don't think so??? Click on Martin and check out his history...

This is nuthin more than his way of getting attention for himself... No one here has ver posted anything that I would consider anti-Semitic yet he sees it everywhere...

What amuses me is the same folk come up with the same posts and the same denials yet it's like "Ground Hog Day"...

I mean, I've met some folk who were sho nuff anti-Semitic and I ain't seen none of it here in Mudcville, especially in CarolC...

What, one can't question the policies of a government that own 200 nuclear weapons and has pushed folks outta their homes???

That's seems to the same old argument... "We can kill the crap outta Palestianians and bulldoze their homes and if you don't like it then you're anti-Semitic!!!"

Well, I don't buy that argument anymore than I'd buy "We can bomb the crap outta Iraqis and occupy Iraq and if you don't like it yer anti-Christain!!!"

That's the "bull" part of this thread... And it's "bull" every time Martin starts his Ground Hog anti-Semitic Day Thread...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:32 PM

"This is a lot of bull..."

It's not a lot of bull Bobert ... Israel and Judiasm is synonomous.

As I said ... maybe it's ignorance.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:27 PM

You are right mg .... they will come to your threads ... they come in droves.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:23 PM

But everyone did come, Guest. They all come to my threads. I really hit a nerve with you like I always do. You hate me for the truth I say about you. I can deal with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:21 PM

Thanks, Peace. To Jews everywhere, that Star of David flag is their 5700+ years of history.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:21 PM

Suppose Martin Gibson started a thread and nobody came?????

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:19 PM

Martin, I do understand where you're coming from.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Once Famous
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:13 PM

Like I said, Peace, the Star of Davis is on the Israeli flag for a reason.

It is first and foremost the Jewish homeland even before it is a sanctioned country. It's policies have been made to insure it's existance. If Israel goes, the Jewish people go with it.

McGrath, you would not recognize anti-semitism if it was right in front of you.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:11 PM

Okay, then the United States is the "soufull and spiritual home" of all Southern Baptists and they are wondering when you plan on leaving their home, Martin???...

This is a lot of bull...

And given the number of the exact same threads that Martin has started on the subject getting rather boring....

All it is meant to do is piss other folks off and has no basis in the facts of what people here in Mudville have posted...

It's just another childish attempt by Martin to get attention...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism
From: number 6
Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:04 PM

Bobert ..

Hey, how about the Christains who live in Isreal... Or those of Islamic Faith...

The statement that Martin has made would be like some Southern Baptist sayin' the "United Sates and Southern Baptist is synonomous."

Let's stick to the topic of the thread. Or open up a thread about the Christians of Israel, or the southern Baptists or even the Irish Catholics of Saint John.

sIx