BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 11 May 04 - 07:47 PM

DonMeixner: I didn't say that all Americans working in Iraq is a profiteer. There are many non-missionary aid workers and human rights workers, for instance, who I fully support. But people who are there for the big, big money: profiteers. And you haven't given one reason why they shouldn't be called that.

Martin Gibson: First, genius: It's Lepus.

Second: Ah, fuck it. The opinion of a racist isn't worth responding to. Hope that whole "white supremacy" thing works out for you, though. Heil Hitler, dude.

And did I say it wasn't wrong to kill the guy, brucie? As I said, "it's an unfortunate ending, even for a war profiteer." Horrible thing, what happened to him. But he was still a profiteer.

Doug: OK, I know I'm not your favourite, but I've always respected you and valued your views here. But... "they are subhuman, and in my opinion deserve no special consideration if captured"? You're not helping your cause with creepy Nazi-like statements such as this.

Oh, and here's another link to the video, with screenshots. Oops, nope. It's not there anymore. "This Account Has Been Suspended" Odd...

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 04 - 07:44 PM

DougR: I cannot begin to perceive people as sub-human. They have had their minds twisted by leaders--both political and religious. Sick, yes. Sub-human, no.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: DougR
Date: 11 May 04 - 07:33 PM

So Guest, because he was over there on his own, he got what he deserved, right? From reports I have heard on TV, he was there as an independent contractor helping to improve the communications infracture of Iraq. For that he desereved to be beheaded?

Anyone who compares the abuse in the prison to an act like this needs his/her head examined (though while still in place).

This act illustrates the kind of enemy we are facing. They are subhuman, and in my opinion deserve no special consideration if captured.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 11 May 04 - 07:04 PM

I found the complete video at www.orgish.com

Be warned it is what they say!

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Bobert
Date: 11 May 04 - 06:57 PM

Well, in this overy sanitized war I don't find it too difficult undersatnd the outrage... Americans have not seen what has and is happening in Iraq, or Afganistan, fir that matter...

Now, if just 1% of the actual human pain and suffering by both Iraqis and American and their so-called coilition, were to be shown then the reaction would be much different. Hey, the US invaded a country with a third rate defense with their "Shock and Awe", not the Iraqis invading the US! In doing so it killed thouasnds and thousands of Iragis, most of them civilians... And now were are surprised that we have pissed off some folks over there to the point where that are acting in such a brutal fashion? Hmmmmmm?

Like what am I missing here???

Throw in the recent pics of the ubuse of Iraqi prisoners and when Bush satnds up and says' "Bring it on", he's certain to find lots of folks willing to do just that...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 04 - 06:24 PM

The taking of any human life is a sin against all humanity. The spin Lepus puts on it seems to be that if people are anywhere to help rebuild a country they are profiteers. The killing of people to make political statements is sick--as sick as killing other people for oil or geopolitics.

I don't think Lepus is an idiot. I do think he ain't wrapped too tight.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 May 04 - 06:09 PM

Both sides disgust in this disgust me. Not in Iraq, in this thread. I shan't return.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: MAG
Date: 11 May 04 - 06:06 PM

That racist attitude is why we are in such a mess over there, tacoma-webber.

people like you make me embarrassed for the human race.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 11 May 04 - 06:06 PM

Every news site on the internet has seen this video but the public do not.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Once Famous
Date: 11 May 04 - 06:02 PM

I agree with don Meixner's explanation Lupus Rex and you are still an idiot.

American soldiers have sprayed water on these dirtbags, pretended to electrocute them, and put them in naked body piles so they can smell their own stink. I wouldn't doubt if most of the pictures we have seen have been for souvinirs.

Cutting off your enemies head on a video is far cry from this.

I don't sanction what was done to the Arab prisoners in the least, but we weren't doing anything while yelling some fanatic religious saying.

These are the worst of the maggot Arabs we are at war with.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Kim C
Date: 11 May 04 - 05:18 PM

Sorry, Nerd, you're right, it was just ONE American. The story doesn't say that the beheader is Jordanian, only that he has been operating in Iraq, so please excuse me if I assumed that he is himself Iraqi.

Any Clone has my permission to change the title of this thread to American Allegedly Beheaded in Iraq by Jordanian Man.

Kim C
Not a victim or participant

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: MAG
Date: 11 May 04 - 05:15 PM

there have been quite enough atrocities on all sides. It would be nice for everyone to stop.

I've been singing that tune about the middle east for, oh, about 3 decades.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: DonMeixner
Date: 11 May 04 - 05:15 PM

Lepus

Not everyone who goes to theater of war is there to profiteer. Make a profit maybe. Earn a living while doing good perhaps. To assume that all people who are working in a theater of war are crooks at best because they happen to be Americans is a stupid as me calling you an idiot out of hand.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 11 May 04 - 05:15 PM

God damn, pdq, fucking brilliant point. That has everything to do with what happened 1500 miles away a few years ago! Remember Danny Pearl! And let's not forget the Holocaust, what they did to our boys in Vietnam, and of course the fucking Alamo, while we're at it. :P

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 11 May 04 - 05:09 PM

Ouch, snappy comeback, Don! Instead of calling me an "idiot," why don't you explain to me why I'm wrong?

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: pdq
Date: 11 May 04 - 05:09 PM

In February, 2002, an American journalist was kidnapped and murderd by al Qaeda members who had once been in Afghanistan. I believe he was beheaded, even butchered further into bloody parts. Have people forgotten about Danny Pearl already?

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: DonMeixner
Date: 11 May 04 - 05:01 PM

No lep[us, That makes you an idiot.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:58 PM

Didn't appear to have been made "for kicks," greg, though it's certainly possible that the killers were enjoying themselves. But just because it's an American corpse this time doesn't make it any more outrageous to me than what happens to Iraqis there every day. I've seen more than enough American "snuff movies" over the last year where the soldiers were taking obvious pleasure in murder. On CNN, even.

DonMeixner: Americans and other high-paid westerners going to Iraq to "rebuild the infrastructure," drive trucks, etc., (and their employers, of course, whose profiteering has been widely documented) are there to make large amounts of cash. They're selling their services for many times the price that an Iraqi would be paid, and so are making unreasonable profits from the war. And perhaps unlike in Afghanistan, there are more than enough qualified natives. Just my opinion, of course, but I'd say that makes them profiteers.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: kendall
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:53 PM

Isn't it rewarding to see how well we have learned from the Arabs and Israelis? Sure keeps the population down.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Nerd
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:42 PM

Indeed, Ar-Zaqawi, the man who is reported to have done this, is Jordanian, not Iraqi. I'm not sure if Kim C's distortions above (that there was more than one American beheaded and that the assailants were Iraqi) are intentional or an honest mistake. It sure has the feel of the right-wing echo chamber, so I guess Kim C is either a participant in it or a victim of it!

This is a case of two groups (Al Qaeda and the US) at war in a place where neither group belongs. The administration of course will spin this as "see, they're worse than we are."   But as usual, it's a different "them." We torture Iraqi civilians, Al Qaeda beheads an American, we torture some more Iraqis, Al Qaeda kills some more Americans. It's great for Al Qaeda, sucks for both us and Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: DonMeixner
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:39 PM

Lepus,

How did you reach the determination that Berg was a War Profiteer?

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:38 PM

It's unfortunate, all right. One more can of gasoline thrown on the fire.

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:33 PM

That is answered in the story, GUEST. He was rebuilding communications antennas. Besides, what does that have to do with his being beheaded?

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: greg stephens
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:31 PM

Well, making repellent snuff movies for kicks might be considered by most of us a little worse than "unfortunate".

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:28 PM

Well, it's not clear that it was Iraqis doing the beheading, and it was "only" one guy, so "Americans" is innacurate. But, yeah, it's an unfortunate ending, even for a war profiteer.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 04 - 04:19 PM

Horrific.

But it does beg the question, what was this guy doing on his own in Iraq?

Subject: BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans
From: Kim C
Date: 11 May 04 - 03:44 PM

Story Here at CNN