'Occupy English Folk Music!'

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 10:41 AM

I have visited a "reservation" called "Foxwoods" near Norwich, M.A. It is a casino like they are going out of fashion. I understand the Indian nation are allowed to run these establishments with extremely favourable taxation rates, if any. It is a superb venue with hotel, restaurants, gaming rooms and everything you would expect to find in a casino.They ship in coach loads of Chinese, 24/7, to relieve them of their dosh at games which I feel only the Chinese can understand ( all the writing around and on the table was Chinese).
       Good luck to the tribes associated with these places because the money that can be earned for good causes must run into millions.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: BTNG
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 10:17 AM

I happen to support Folk Against Fascism...
good for you Mayet, good for you, My opinion is that they're simply the opposite side of the coin to the BNP, both trying to gain, without any qualifications, the moral high ground in British culture.

Now run along, there's a good boy/girl, I hear your mummy calling you (must be bedtime)

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 09:50 AM

Oh...and Mayet, if I may draw your attention to some of the derisory comments from some folks about music they deem not folk, in this thread:

'What is Folk Music? - This is'

Thank you.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 09:31 AM

Oh fook, wrong link! But then, maybe it was just as well....... ;0)

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 09:29 AM

Mayet,

With due respect, you know nothing of the story. I won't put it down *again*, but suffice to say, I stand by my words that there are a few concerned with Folk Against Facism who have behaved like fascists towards me and others, I'm sure. They do the English Folk World a grave injustice, but then, until the English Folk World sorts out those who seek to keep others away, who belittle other musicians, or make their lives a misery by degrading their talents, purely because it does not come onto their radar, then this small world will remain small, not only in numbers but in thought and mind.

And with regard to having visited an American Indian Reservation, no I have not done so, for I live in England, however, I am in touch with some very kind, wise and decent American Indians and Native People, via Facebook..and I have far more respect for them than many in the EFW who have behaved as they have towards me, and others.

So, I'll say to you, with the utmost respect, it is very difficult for you to make a comment when you do not know precisely what has gone on for many years.   And whilst I appreciate the ethos of FAF, (who wouldn't?) I refuse to be a hypocrite and join something that is run by folks for whom I have no respect whatsoever.

Thank you again and I hope you enjoy your time with FAF and the English Folk World...and I apologise if my humour is not your humour, but I'm afraid that's something which is also lacking within many parts of the EFW, but I refuse, point blank, to give up my humour, my merriment, my way of being who I am, purely to 'fit in' with the rules and regulations laid down by a domineering minority.


So, onward and upward!

And as one of Bo-Peeps little followers would say......

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 09:09 AM

The weather has been awful for turnips this year.

Good weather for stone fruit this year...

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Mayet
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 08:49 AM

@ Lizzie Cornish 30 Oct 11 - 01:52 PM

I happen to support Folk Against Fascism which I feel is a responsible organization set up by sincere people who were prepared to do something more than parrot swear words on a forum to combat the abuse of English folk performers recordings ('traditional' or 'singer songwriters') by an extreme rightwing/racist organization.

Your description of some members as 'The English Folk Fascists' is gratuitous, nasty and certainly not in any way 'funny' if you really believe that just adding 'LOL' makes it so that rather indicates a lack of respect for others intelligence. (Not so much 'tongue in cheek' than sticking the tongue out.)
But if, in its transparent provocation, it's typical of your posts I can well understand why you may have been removed from forums not quite so 'deregulated' as this one.

I have visited a Native American reservation, not some reconstruction for the benefit of tourists and spoken to the real people not some myth - have you?
If not, I can certainly understand the reference to your concept as being reminiscent of the patronizing 'Noble Savage' viewpoint but, I'm at a loss to the motive for introduction into a thread about English folk music.

I think I have seen too much much of your 'soul' as I would wish.
big **g**
Please put it away now, there's a good girl. LOL

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 08:06 AM

Stobbit! You rascal!!   lol

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 07:37 AM

I think Lizzy's got a point. We should occupy English folk music with lots of ladies in mini skirts. If you ask me, when Mary Hopkin and July Felix were on telly a lot and you got the occasional glimpse of gusset, that did a lot more for folk music than all this Cecil Sharp crap.

Well done Lizzy! Lead by example, and give us all a flash! I'll mount the barricades with you - if you go up first. I'll be right behind you - elbowing the others out the way.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: theleveller
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 04:42 AM

I love this thread - it reminds me of the Monty Python 'Argument' sketch. I think Lizzie's tongue was in her cheek when she started it but in tseems that some posters have got their heads firmly lodged between theirs.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 01:40 AM

What crap. Drummers don't know shit. They drum.

How does THAT feel.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 31 Oct 11 - 01:25 AM

Next stop: Occupy pow-pows!
Goddamn Navajo wouldn't let me play my djembe in their drum circle. They don't even play the "real" Navajo music anyways, just some crap they *consider* to be traditional. That alone entitles me to play my djembe in funky rhythms (not their lame four-square beats).

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:38 PM

Holy sh#t. There were but forty or so posts when I left at noon to go to a house concert to hear Crabtree and Mills. (Great sets, good songs and wonderful people.) I am so pleased that people were able to find some common ground in my absence. Please carry on. Thank you.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:17 PM

Oh and your post that goes on forever hha etc

Around 60 lines is not exactly forever but considering the company we keep I suppose it is a bit to much to expect some people to concentrate that long:-)

Thank you for pointing that out.

DtG

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:11 PM

OMG! Yet another act discovered by our resident scout! What will be next? Rock and Roll? I would have posted earlier but I am just back from an excelent hour of new talent at the Deaf Institute. I guess seeing as no-one on the open mic is worthy of name dropping I will just say that there was not a brown shirt in sight. I would have gone for longer but I do actualy work for a living and need to get up. Sad isn't it, but some of us do:-(

DtG

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,glueman
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:08 PM

"I still remember a phrase from the Daily Telegraph obituary of the man, to the effect that people who view the folk scene as jolly people in arran sweaters clutching pints and singing lusty choruses etc. etc. would be surprised by its capacity for 'vituperative intolerance'." - G-Force on the Peter Bellamy thread.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: BTNG
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:06 PM

Oh and your post that goes on forever hha etc is perfectly acceptable..riiiiigghhhttt now I get it

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: johncharles
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:56 PM

I think all live music should be encouraged. The term folk seems to me to be a broad church and long may it remain so.
I like sad ballads
bonny george campbell
lovers for a day
Songs separated by several hundred years but, both, in their way addressing issues about the human condition.
This is folk for me.
john

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:54 PM

Ah, I see The Terrible Turnip Twins have been busy whilst I've been away.

Don't you just love The English Folk World....it's so....so...chummy.

It's getting almost as bad as those poor folks from 'Occupy The London Stock Exchange, wait a moment, no, St. Paul's Catherdal' had to deal with when The Great West Doors were slammed shut...

I'd love to stay and chat, but you'll have to excuse me, as Robbie Robertson is calling.....

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:41 PM

BTNG - Definition of Troll -

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

I suggest you look back through the post to see who who started the topic, who wanted to 'provoke readers' and check whether my post was off-topic. Although I suspect you know the answer.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:58 PM

Well DaveTG you've made me laugh.

BNTG - you are the sort of friend Lizzie likes. Why not set up a series of web pages together?

She's bound to leave Mudcat promising undying love if you did that.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: BTNG
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:17 PM

I see we have Dave The Troll in the house

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 06:00 PM

I'll do my bit too.

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Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:51 PM

Crowhugger, Mr Souleyman is the buisness!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:48 PM

Thank you, Crowhugger. ;0)    (shhh...they love me really) lol

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Crowhugger
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:38 PM

Lizzie you've sure got the knack for a thread topic that pushes people's hot buttons...this thread may hit 100 posts in under 24 hours. This is my bit to help it along.

Spleen C., I enjoyed the sojourn to Syrian music, thanks!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:30 PM

"You have to understand about Mother Earth, our part in it,"

Actually Lizzie, I think I do know a bit about that. I've read widely on the subject and have observed my local patch in great detail.

Mind you I haven't got round to driving whole buffalo herds off cliffs, like the Arikara, in North Dakota, did in the 19th century. They used to take what meat they needed and leave the rest to rot in a great, stinking pile.

I've never really understood this thing about Native American 'spirituality'. After all most of the tribes were primarily interested in warfare and were not above slaughtering their enemies to the last child. I often get the impression that when the West was being invaded by Anglo-Americans the various tribes were much more interested in fighting each other than in resisting the invaders.

Anyway, I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with English Folk Music or 'occupying' it.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:29 PM

Lizzie, some foul-mouthed nutter has started imitating your posts and apparently is occupying your mind.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:21 PM

Not down here...I'll send you some..

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:19 PM

Folkiedave...I hear the Turnip Season is extraordinarily good this year. Gather them in while ye can and put them in your special place where the sun don't shine, for ye may keep them longer that way and the Recession is upon us, after all...

Lizzie - you clearly know as much about turnips as you do about folk music.

The weather has been awful for turnips this year.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 05:09 PM

Narrow minded? Nope. I simply have self-respect, haven't detached the sexual part of me from my Soul, and refuse to be brain-washed by dodgy folks who want to see all women and young girls dressed as sluts...

And now, back to Occupying whatever it is we're er...occupying... :0)

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: BTNG
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:39 PM

oops that guest was me, cookie went west...

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:38 PM

Carlo Little

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:36 PM

All right Lizzie, since you sum it up so perfectly - you are very narrow minded.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:32 PM

"Good heavens - the Cyril Davies All-Stars. Yes, I quite liked their stuff but it was a bit pickled in aspic in the 1940s version of blues, wasn't it?"

I saw them at the London Marquee Club. His band were some of the best gigging musicians of that time - Carlo Little, Ricky Brown etc who only a couple of weeks before had been Lord Sutch's Savages!!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:31 PM

Oh..and Richard, I've always had a soft spot for Ol' Man Quixote..


"And the world will be better for this, that one woman scorned and covered with scars, still strove with her last ounce of courage, to reach the Unreachable Star....of English Folk Music

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:29 PM

but I think the first would be entertaining his nether regions, whilst the second would be boring him bloody rigid.

I really hope that was intentional and that there is no point in commenting the two are the same:-) But I sadly suspect that the humour displayed in the OP is limited to mocking those who disagree with them :-(

DtG

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 04:23 PM

I don't feel threatened by sex, Richard, but....I do feel kinda weird about men who'd rather see a woman dressed as a slut, than a woman who's dressed in a different manner, for call me narrow-minded, but I think the first would be entertaining his nether regions, whilst the second would be boring him bloody rigid.

I have a *brain*, Richard (yes, I hear you all)...and it's above my boobs, far more entertaining than them too, and unlike my boobs it isn't heading downwards at such alarming speed, so it's far more entertaining to dabble and dance with!

Once women DID dress as they wanted to. Now they dress as they've been brain-washed to dress, as sluts...and it starts when they're very tiny, sadly...

And as I've said before, I don't do the 'sex' thing, I do the 'Love' thing, so there....Sticky out tongue, in a non-sexual manner, smiley.


Folkiedave...I hear the Turnip Season is extraordinarily good this year. Gather them in while ye can and put them in your special place where the sun don't shine, for ye may keep them longer that way and the Recession is upon us, after all...

Johncharles!! I KNEW it!! See! Didn't I tell y'all!! Ha! I think that link is deserving of a Kiss! xxx

Now, Big Al, WHERE do I start with you???? I would say 'Bend over!" but somehow, I think that could be the wrong thing to come out with! 'Tis lucky for ye that you're a FB friend of mine, that's all I'll say...and I'll let you off this time, as you quietly endure my numerous postings in relative good humour.

Oh great, StormTrooper Morris Men! That's made my evening! :0)

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: johncharles
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 03:58 PM

Big Al, I assume you are now running hard for cover.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: johncharles
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 03:57 PM

The storm troopers have already arrived
stormtroop
john

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 03:53 PM

As they say on Downton Abbey, Lizzie's a damn pretty gel, and she would do a lot better wearing a mini skirt and cheering up the troops. In any case, she's a woman and these are serious matters - no need to bother her pretty little head about it!

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 03:38 PM

Lizzie, sex does not need a defence mechanism. It's sad that you are so threatened by it. Women can dress as they please and do as they please.

As to tribal traditions, the first thing the incomer has to do is to listen and learn. Playing a flute or a nose flute is not necessarily "folk". It might be. It might not be. It depends.

You have reaped as you have sown, in terms of hostility, because of the irrational and indefensible things you spout. There are no folk police, no folk nazis, no folk storm troopers - well, hardly any. Like Don Quixote, and with as much sense, you are tilting at windmills.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 03:03 PM

Spot on BTNG - There is room for all types of music. None is any better or worse than the other - Just different. Exactly the same as people. In the words of the esteemed Mr Dylan -

I've heard you say many times
That you're better 'n no one
And no one is better 'n you
If you really believe that
You know you have
Nothing to win and nothing to lose

I really, really people would get that message and not start arguments on the premise that one type of music or one type of person is better than another.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: BTNG
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:58 PM

music and dance both trad and new woul be much better served if the so-called experts would be sit down, be quiet and let the rest of us enjoy the pastimes in our own way....after Ralph Vaughan Williams, I think it's time for a little Simon and Garfunkel LOL

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:55 PM

So where have you been occupying? >>>>


I've been 'Occupying My Mind'

That explains it.

Just hang on folks and it'll be OK soon.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:55 PM

Patronising is, as Patronising does....

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:54 PM

Oh yea - and glad you figured out that the phrase was a typical Victorian patronising attitude. Just the same as some people seem to want to retain over and above the much pleasanter traditions like music and dance.

DtG

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:52 PM

I can't knit BTNG! Heaven forbid! I am one of the depraved, dim-witted, uncouth, morris-dancing skin-heads that occupies western society and lives off killing the puppies belonging to harmless, indiginous tribes.

The fact that I can write programs in shell and SQL; debug Unix and Linux servers; troubleshoot networks; actualy kill, skin and butcher animals; grow my own vegetables and cereals; construct a shelter that survived last winter and feed a family of 7 is obviously a complete untruth because I am not called 'Two Dogs Fucking' and I don't paint myself. Well, other than the odd bit of camo and the occasional spot of eye-liner.

Just figured out the rose tinted glass issue. It works far better at great distances:-)

DtG

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: BTNG
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:50 PM

"If only we had stayed carving wood and skinning animals we could have been as good as our brothers across the water by now"

now this phrase smacks of the typical patronising attitude of the Victorians to peoples of other lands.

Subject: RE: 'Occupy English Folk Music!'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 02:32 PM

"If only we had stayed carving wood and skinning animals we could have been as good as our brothers across the water by now!"


Not at all. You have to have The Spirit to be as good as them. You have to understand about Mother Earth, our part in it, and know The Prophecies..many of which are coming true now, I'm afraid...

I tell you what, when you have the Spirit & Widsom of John Trudell, Chief Oren Lyons or Floyd Red Crow Westerman, come back and see me, and then, I may get my Respect Voting Cards out and give you a much higher score....

Oh, and when what is coming finally arrives, it will be the ones who know how to carve the wood, skin the animals and live in harmony with nature, who will be the ones who will be left tell the tale, so please, do not belittle them, learn from them.