The ' fada ' in Irish vowels

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Philippa
Date: 25 Feb 99 - 09:46 AM

I just answered my last two questions above. The letter, not the code, appeared. But I had to type in four characters. I'd much prefer it if I can continue to use my shortcuts rather than having to use different sets of 4 characters for each of the 10 accented vovels of Irish and Scottish Gaelic.

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Philippa
Date: 25 Feb 99 - 09:40 AM

I couldn't scroll the box to get all of my long message in. Simple solution to ease any searching difficulties: Song titles, at least, could be given twice on the DT - once with diacritical marks and once without

Andrew - first message - the number codes I use are different, and I also have a shortcut for accents but not the same as the one on ApppleMacs. More discussion can be found on an old thread about Fadas in the Help forum. Anyway, the problem is that we can make the desired letters, but sometimes they are altered on the web page. Joe, is it correct that if I type in the Ä <Ä> (for example)in this box, Ä is what will appear on the website, and that is why you need to act as intermediary ? - or is it just that it would look cleaner to replace old lyrics than to add to them?

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Philippa
Date: 25 Feb 99 - 09:31 AM

Dick, I really don't think those of us who insist on accent marks are nit-picking. Leaving out accents can result in problems in pronunciation and understanding, ESPECIALLY for learners. In Scottish Gaelic 'b…ta'(ba\ta) means 'boat' while 'bata' means 'stick'. In Irish 'cead' sounds something like 'cad' and means permission; 'c‚ad' (ce/ad) rhymes with 'wade' and means 100; Fear = man, f‚ar = grass; 'stair' [a bout, a stretch] 'chora¡ochta' means 'a wrestling match' while 'st ir chora¡ochta' means 'a history of wrestling'.
many people WILL put the accents in when they're looking for songs and then the searches will be unsuccessful if the word has been printed without an accent. Anyway, one learns to think of the best words to include in a search, as in avoiding ...ing in English in case it's been rendered as ...in'

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Philippa
Date: 25 Feb 99 - 09:26 AM

Joe, I would have to send you over a dozen lyrics with a total of 11 special letters (postings in Scottish Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, Spanish) and associated codes. And it would be less work to repaste the lyrics straight into the threads as new messages - as the accented letters on current postings are appearing correctly - than to type out all the hmtl codes. I wary of doing that, however, in case these lyrics get altered in future. The various affected songs in the archives used to look right. Is there no way Mike can filter them ensemble so that they look good again? Even if it meant damaging the newer postings - well there aren't too many non-English language postings YET since the revamping.

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: MudGuard
Date: 24 Feb 99 - 02:32 AM

Glad that this time I can help you:
ß = &szlig;

Andreas

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 11:27 PM

Hey folks: It's real nice to get the typography correct, but let's not make it impossible for folks to conduct searches. Ideally, ASCII characters are preferable.

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 11:27 PM

And for us afficionados of the German umlaut, it would be

&Auml; for Ä

...and you're supposed to be able to guess the rest.
-Joe Offer-

Hey, what's the German "s-zed"??
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From:
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 10:29 PM

Actually, it is MUCH better to do it using &Agrave; for the À rather than the &#xxx;equivalent. Some systems have different codes corresponding to the numeric of the other system. There is
Á = &Aacute;   á = &aacute;
É = &Eacute;   é = &eacute;
Í = &Iacute;   í = &iacute;
Ó = &Oacute;   ó = &oacute;
Ú = &Uacute;   ú = &uacute;
 
In Scottish Gaelic there are the Grave accents as well to contend with -
À = &Agrave;   à = &agrave;
È = &Egrave;   è = &egrave;
Ì = &Igrave;   ì = &igrave;
Ò = &Ograve;   ò = &ograve;
Ù = &Ugrave;   ù = &ugrave;

Also, it's a lot easier to remember this method than what the specific numeral corresponds to which character in the extended character set of whatever we have set.

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 09:18 PM

Different codes for uppercase and lowercase letters, Maelgwyn. click here to get to a table of all the codes. Remember, though, that your character code must begin with an ampersand and the pound sign, and end with a semicolon, like this:

&#___;

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Maelgwyn (inactive)
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 09:07 PM

How about capital letters?

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 08:20 PM

Yep, I did it right. Now, if anyone would like to have corrections made to songs or messages they posted that have characters that got goofed up in the last Mudcat overhaul, I'd be willing to substitute a corrected text if you'd like to e-mail me the corrected text (with HTML tags, please, as a text attachment to the message or within the text of the message) and the URL for the thread where the corrections are to be made. I'll paste in the text if YOU make the corrections and provide the HTML tags - I'm not volunteering to do all the dirty work myself. Click on my name to send me e-mail.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 08:13 PM

There are HTML tags for posting these characters there. the format is ampersand-poundsign-ASCII number-semicolon. the tag for á would look like this:

&#225;

That is, if I did it correctly.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Alice
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 07:56 PM

on the Mac, it's Option key and e key, and you will get the accent mark when you type the letter.
Option, e, a =  

Subject: The ' fada ' in Irish vowels
From: Andrew
Date: 22 Feb 99 - 07:40 PM

Just for the sake of it....The accent or 'fada' in Irish alters the sound of the vowel like so..   = aw, ‚ = ay, ¡ = ee, ¢= oh and £ = ue as in glue. they can be typed using the following codes: NUM LOCK ON: HOLD DOWN ALT on keypad type 0225 for  , 0237 =¡, 0250=£, 0233=‚ and ¢=0243 (release ALT after typing numbers) Hope this is of some interest and/or help P.S. note the direction of the accent and this is Connemara pronunciation, Donegal pronounciation is different eg   = ah (not aw).This is using windows os,I don't know if different systems work the same way.

Sl n, Andrew