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PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST Date: 07 Jan 12 - 11:14 AM С Рождеством Христовым (S Roždestvom Khristovym) |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST Date: 07 Jan 12 - 08:48 AM How do you say " Merry Christmas " in russian |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Elena Date: 14 Mar 03 - 07:04 PM Moo, your Russian is getting better than my English! :) A note to my previous message: strangely enough, I was going to write "to Kai", but wrote "to Giok" and remembered it only now… Something to do with subconsciousness, I believe… |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz q From: mooman Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:49 PM ,,,and don't worry too much about òîðìîç anonymous flamers! moo |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz q From: mooman Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:45 PM Welcome to the Cat Elena! êëàññíàß äåâ÷îíêà! moo |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Elena Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:39 PM To someone who has dared to steal my nickname: Hey, it ain't funny! All rights reserved and do not discredit lovely Russian lasses.. To other Mudcatters: Thanks for all the kind words about my English (well.. I was obviously fishing for compliments), but your generosity inspires! :) I wish I could learn Gaelic as well.. To Bonnie: I sing and play. Mostly Celtic songs, for (as everyone might have already noticed) I'm very fond of Celtic culture. To Giok: Kogo ya vijou! Quite unexpected, I would say, but pleasant.. BTW, I liked the way you have proved my Russianness. :) I'll be at "Tochka" on Saturday. If I win this competition, the Mudcatters will be the first to know! :) P.S. Thanks to everyone who have added useful details. I am getting more and more grateful.. :) |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST,,Elf (Elena) Date: 14 Mar 03 - 02:43 PM Dear everyone, I confess I am laughing my posterior off, haw haw haw. What a nice gullable bunch you all are! Realy in Nigeria, also Elena is a man! Haw haw haw. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 14 Mar 03 - 01:58 PM Don't stay away that long, RFI. We've ALL done silly things at one time or other - it's seems to be a mandatory initiation to the Internet. And not everyone has the guts to admit it and apologise. Welcome Elena, so glad you joined us! Be sure to let us know if you win the competition, and what parts of Ireland you'll be visiting. Do you sing or play any music? All the best, Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: ard mhacha Date: 14 Mar 03 - 01:55 PM Jimmy C, I have been around the oul Isle all of 65 years and I have never heard of the custom of "idle wheels" on St Brigid`s Day. In Texas they might have cow-pat skimming competitions and up in New England this pratice is unheard off, and in Cornwall they may participate in Pastie eating competitions and in and around London they would find this custom very quaint, likewise in County Kerry they might stand a poor goat on a pedestal for three or four days while the locals have all the fun of the Fair, elsewhere in Ireland the goat would be a provider of good healthy milk. Now somewhere else in the Emerald Isle they may have that "idle wheels" ritual, but in all of my time in and around County Armagh the wheels have always kept turning on St Brigid`s Day. And God Bless all the lovely lasses of Moscow. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST,red-faced idiot Date: 14 Mar 03 - 01:20 PM I'm the one responsible for kat's "brain drain" line, and it sure wasn't her who's brain was draining, the dribble all came from me. I DID ask the clones to remove my post. Sorry, fans of excitement and expletive deleteds, you didn't really miss anything, I was simply RUDE to katlaughing, who I love dearly, and implied that she hadn't caught what I saw as another one of those Irish flame threads that have plagued the cat and really cause bad feelings. Due to a number of things that I won't get into, I was feeling crotchety, cranky, curmudgeon-like and in general, not my normal laid back self. I won't get into THAT again. So I'm sorry for disrupting this thread. When the alarm bells went off, I should have just ignored it and looked at something else. I figured after 50 plus posts I could come back in and explain to the people who asked, what happened, without disrupting continuity. And once again kat, I'm really sorry. Maybe in a few weeks I'll even come back and take a few tomatoes in the kisser without the cloak of anonymity, but at the moment I'm feeling a little too sheepish, so I'll remain Red-faced idiot |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: kai Date: 14 Mar 03 - 10:59 AM Giok, You may be sure she is Russian. At least, as I last time met her, she still was Russian. :) |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Date: 14 Mar 03 - 10:57 AM Elena, I don't think anyone answered the "why" part of question 6. Ireland is known as the Emerald Isle because the landscape stays very green pretty much all the year round because the climate is quite temperate (even) with mild temperatures and rainfall spread quite evenly throughout the year. Of the two names which you quote, that is probably the one most often used nowadays, especially in tourist promotions , so that's probably the better answer to give in your quiz. The name 'Island of Saints and Scholars' is an older name which refers to the fact that, after the collapse of the Roman Empire in the Dark Ages, many Irish monks (priests) brought Christianity back to Northern Europe, founding monasteries, schools, etc. as they travelled. Good luck with the competition, and let us know how you get on! Roger |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Mar 03 - 10:25 AM Still a bit suspicious about this [Russian?] guest's command of the English language, it's better then many native English speakers that I know. Giok |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: belfast Date: 14 Mar 03 - 09:43 AM I forgot to say "Welcome". Failte Romhat! |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Bullfrog Jones Date: 14 Mar 03 - 08:21 AM Hi Elena and welcome. Please let us know if you win the competition! BJ |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: belfast Date: 14 Mar 03 - 08:00 AM Let's face it, Elena's English is better than that of many native English speakers. I hope she gets to visit Ireland. And, just for clarity, as regards Green and Orange. There are plenty who would regard themselves as Nationalist or Republican ("Green") who would have no time for the Catholic Church. There are many Protestants who loathe and despise the Orange Order and all it stands for. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: kai Date: 14 Mar 03 - 07:54 AM Hello, Elena! It's great to see you here at Mudcat. I'm using it for over two years and think it's pretty useful and friendly for all, even for dumb Russians :). Hope to see you on Paddy's Day! MacQuilly |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz q From: artbrooks Date: 14 Mar 03 - 07:24 AM WELCOME TO THE MUDCAT!!! BTW (which means "by the way"), I'd guess that your English is better than 99.99% of Mudcatters' Russian! |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Elena Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:59 AM Dear everyone, So… Now I'm an official member! Though I'm afraid the chat room is not for me (I can't afford to spend much time in the Internet and usually I deal only with mail). Still I'm glad that I have joined your forum, for you are wonderful people. And I'm very happy that you have appreciated my English (at last!!!) P.S. For Pax: Well.. I'm not sure whether I ever can get to Orlando, etc., but thank you so much for the invitation. Maybe I'll see you in Moscow before that.. It would be simply great. Do Svidanya! (you were almost right, Kat!) and may we someday meet somewhere... |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz q From: GUEST Date: 13 Mar 03 - 10:57 PM Elena, 'I think you picture have' is a way of saying 'I think you understand'. Pay no attention. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST,Helen, at work Date: 13 Mar 03 - 09:10 PM Welcome, Elena, I'm glad you came back after our rather rough welcome. As to your question to Stonedagain: 'which other mistranslations were you hinting at? And what does the phrase "I dink you pictor have yes? " mean (my English is not as good)?' I think my best advice would be to ignore that. It appears to be a crude attempt to upset or embarrass you by writing something which looks like English but does not make any sense. Your English is excellent (and that is from an ex-English teacher!) Helen |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Jimmy C Date: 13 Mar 03 - 05:49 PM On the first day of Spring, many Celts prepared for sowing and other food production activities, although some did this on the 2nd, such as in parishes dedicated to St. Bride where no work was done on that day, only invocations to her. Omens giving clues about the forthcoming spring were looked for in the weather, tides, movement and behavious of wildlife. In Ireland the turning of wheels was avoided on this day, so spiners, seamstresses, millers, carters and similar tradespeople would stop work. Even cycling was frowned opon. There would be no work done in parishes dedicated to this saint, such as in Dabhach Bride, in Liscannor, Co.Clare and in St Brigd's Stream, Faughart, Co. Louth. In Scotland on Barra and other islands of the Outer Hebrides people would make Bride's Beds out of straw or rushes and implored Bride to come to the house and sleep there a night, to bring luck and fertility to the household. Local fishermen would cast lots for fishing banks on that day. ( from Chronicle of Celtic Folk Customs by Brian Day ) The matter of the handkerchiefs probably grew from the non turning of wheels and the custom of tying pieces of cloth to the tree near the well of St. Brigit, Faughart, Co. Louth. Having lived in Ireland for 25 years I never heard of this custom until this thread. Slan , Spasiba ? and good luck to you Elena |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: katlaughing Date: 13 Mar 03 - 03:15 PM You folks are great. Thanks one and all and esp. thanks to the joe clone who posted. Welcome to the Mudcat, Elena. My brother used to be fluent in Russian, when he was in the Army. The only thing I can remember that he taught me and I am sure I do not spell it correctly is dos va donya. Please escuse my poor spelling of it, that's the way it sounds to me.:-) kat |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz q From: Blackcatter Date: 13 Mar 03 - 03:09 PM I didn't mention it earlier because of mislayed manners but, Welcome to the Mudcat Elena! It'd be nice to have another area of the world represented. Take a look at our membership pages - you'll see wonderful people from all over and not just from English-speaking places. As for your grasp of English; you probably speak better to most of the 'Catters than a bunch of us southerners do! Also about: "Ce'ad mi'le fa'ilte - One hundred thousand welcomes" - Delcan is right, it is a welcome, not really a proverb, but it certainly points out the wonderful hospitality of the island. I wish I could get to Moscow some time, I still remember doing a report on the development of the city and its fortifications back in an archaeology class at college. People were impressed that I could tell them what kremlin meant. Let me know if you ever can get to Orlando, FL and Disney World. I'll be happy to show you around. pax |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: An Pluiméir Ceolmhar Date: 13 Mar 03 - 12:59 PM Well done, Mooman, I totally missed the reference, in spite of ample flagging of the cult of St Brigid on the 'Cat. Regarding 4, I understand that the practice of playing the national anthem at the end of just about every public gathering began during the first world war, when all of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, and the anthem was "God save the King". When part of Ireland became independent (he said, choosing his words carefully), the practice was continued, using the new Irish National Anthem (Amhrán na bFhiann). The practice was largely abandoned in the 1970s, due to a number of factors. But I'm not aware of any official protocol for when it should be played, as we're generally rather relaxed about that sort of thing. A "short version" comprising the first four and last four bars is played as the presidential salute on formal occasions to greet the arrival of the President. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz q From: artbrooks Date: 13 Mar 03 - 11:49 AM Elena, I hope you got all your answers. Please feel free to officially join us ("click "Membership")...it doesn't cost anything and we have some interesting discussions. Being a member lets you get into the chat room, which is where all the REALLY interesting discussions are! Art Brooks |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: ard mhacha Date: 13 Mar 03 - 11:26 AM Mooman, I didn`t see any hankys hanging from hedges, I seen plenty hanging from noses as it was a wee bit cold on Feb 1st, nice try. Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST Date: 13 Mar 03 - 09:35 AM Dear moo, You are always welcome! And don't forget to send a note.. Kindest regards, Elena. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: mooman Date: 13 Mar 03 - 09:31 AM Dear Elena, It's been quite a while now but I have visited and studied for a short while in Moscow and have happy memories of it. I remember the Kremlin, Bolshoi Theatre, Red Square, Metro, University, Tretchiakov Art Gallery( don't know how to Anglicise that!) and other sights very well but the the friendliness and hospitality of the Muscovites impressed me the most. I would love to visit again in the not too distant future to see how it has changed. Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST,Elf (Elena) Date: 13 Mar 03 - 08:49 AM Yes, it did! (At least with my PC) So, have you already been to Moscow? Any impressions? |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: mooman Date: 13 Mar 03 - 08:11 AM ...sorry "thanks" didn't translate too well from the Cyrillic! moo |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: mooman Date: 13 Mar 03 - 08:10 AM You're welcome Elena! Next time I'm coming to Moscow I'll drop you an e-mail! Cïàcèáî! moo |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: mooman Date: 13 Mar 03 - 07:57 AM Dear Bonnie, Nice to speak to you again! We last met at Dorking (Chanticleer) Folk Club when I used to organise it in the late '80s - beginning of the '90s! Yes...it is to do with abstainance from work. It was always, at least in the past, considered a somewhat special day and special meals were usually prepared. Butter ot buttermilk was particularly featured and bread and butter were often put out or on the windowsill to make St Brigit welcome as it was popularly believed that she would travel the countryside blessing the people and livestock. Also young would often dress up and travel from house to house on St Brigit's day eve entertaining and carrying the "Brideog" which was a straw doll representing the Saint. Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST,Elf (Elena) Date: 13 Mar 03 - 07:55 AM Dear Mudcatters, First of all I would like to thank all of you once again. I AM very grateful and surprised (in a good way) that so many people have joined the discussion. Special thanks to those who could have suspected me of something, but decided to give me a chance. And thanks for deleting certain postings, for, believe me, it has nothing to do with a hoax and in no way did I mean to hurt anyone's feelings.. Those who still doubt it can write me on elf-elen@mail.ru and I'll try to prove the opposite, just because I've always believed that the Irish and the Russians have something in common and can be friends (or at least not enemies). Those who would like to say something else are free to use it as well. As for scientists and scholars it IS a mis-translation (the original questions were given in Russian and I wasn't sure enough what word to use). P.S. To Stonedagain: which other mistranslations were you hinting at? And what does the phrase "I dink you pictor have yes? " mean (my English is not as good)? P.S. Anyone coming to Moscow? |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Mar 03 - 07:34 AM Great stuff, Moo, thanks. And from an Irish Buddhist resident in - where is it? Belgium? - no less! St Brigid's Feast Day is 1st February, which has just passed - didn't see any hankies out and all the wheels were turning as busily as ever, but it's nice to know. Moo, do you happen to know the significance of not turning a wheel on that day? Is it to do with abstaining from work? St Brigid was very industrious - would that have anything to do with it? Amazing what you learn on the 'Cat... |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Mar 03 - 06:32 AM Moo: thanks for the info. That one was annoying me, as I had vague recollections, but couldn't nail it down Nigel |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: mooman Date: 13 Mar 03 - 06:13 AM Sorry Ard Mhacha and others but you're wrong about the bicycles! This is on the eve of the feastday of St Brigit (Brigid, Brighid, Bridget or Bride are all alternative spellings). The handkerchief part is the modern day translation of the hanging up of a piece of cloth called "St. Brigit's Mantle". The bicycle part is the modern day equivalent of the avoidance of "turning a wheel" on that day. And all of this from an Irish Buddhist!!!! Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Mar 03 - 05:55 AM Maybe the anachronism is just a mis-translation of something? This point also applies to scientists/scholars - they're not the same thing but you can see how a connection between the two could be made, even though it completely obliterates the original concept in the telling. Obviously "bicycles" is wrong but was there any other mode of conveyance that people abstained from using? Two-wheeled carts, maybe? Though none of us seems ever to have heard of this custom here. (I wish it was cars too!) |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: ard mhacha Date: 13 Mar 03 - 05:46 AM Declan is correct,as for the bike Question, quite simply a load of baloney, but I do wish it was cars. And I went to school with Brian Boru.Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Declan Date: 13 Mar 03 - 05:31 AM I can't understand what all the fuss is about here, but I didn't see the deleted postings. The questions asked in the original postings are quite straightforward (although I don't know all the answers). 1. Flag answers above are accurate. I heard it as symbolising peace and harmony between the two traditions represented by Green and Orange. 2. The harp is the symbol that appears on the Irish coat of arms. The shamrock appears as a symbol in other locations, most notably on Irish sports shirts (still on Rugby, but replaced by a logo on the soccer shirt). 3. Cead Mile failte looks right, but I regard it as a greeting rather than a 'proverb' as such. 4. Amhrán na bhFiann is as Bonnie says is the National anthem and should be played at all official gatherings etc. As far as I know it should officially be played at the start of proceedings, but it is often left to the end as a wrap up to the night. 5. I haven't ridden a bike in years, but I did so as a kid and never remember anyone telling me to stop it on any particular day. Given the relative recence of the invention of the bicycle I can't see how it could be related to an ancient tradition. The short answer here is I don't know! 6. The Emerald Isle is a nickname for Ireland. The country was also known as the Island of Saints and Scholars, because of the work that Irish monks did in restoring christianity to Europe afer the dark ages in the 6th to 8th centuries. I don't think the term Scientist would have been in common use back then. Neither is an official second name. I don't know what the question setter intended but I suspect The Emerald Isle is the right answer because the other one is slightly innaccurate? |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 13 Mar 03 - 05:28 AM So, does anybody know on what holiday children refrain from riding bikes and handkerchiefs are hung out? I must admit that it's a new one to me: I've lived in Ireland for 12 years and have never heard or seen evidence of it. Wonder if these details are a corruption or hybrid of some other tradition/s? This is an interesting thread, or it can be. Who CARES if it's hoax? |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: michaelr Date: 13 Mar 03 - 02:37 AM So kat, why did you delete that first Guest posting admonishing you that this might be a flame thread? You had a knee-jerk reaction, hence your second post in reply (which doesn't make a lot of sense without that Guest posting preceding it). I hesitate to second-guess Joe Offer when he deletes things, but I'd say lately there's ben cause for concern. But I surely take notice when you apparently delete a posting which may have caused you embarrassment. Concerned, Michael As posted above, inflammatory postings made by Guest were removed at the same Guest's request. The questions are being answered and a good discussion is continuing. Please try not to let any side comments affect the remainder of this good discussion. Kat had nothing to do with it. Perhaps the postings should have stayed, but it is rare to have a Guest actually admit they were wrong and suggest that the postings be deleted because they adversely affected the discussion. Unfortunately we often seem more interested in the flames and trolls than in the actual discussion. Joe Clone |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: katlaughing Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:56 PM Ah, garg, admit it, you love it! |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:52 PM I am suggesting a sobriety test for the LaughKat...
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz q From: Blackcatter Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:51 PM The shamrock is more closley tied to St. Patrick as well. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST,Q Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:50 PM Sorcha, I hope you "stand corrected" and I haven't copied "fakelore." Where are all the Irishmen when we need them? |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: katlaughing Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:49 PM Oh, garg, thank you for being here for me....your love is so transparent! |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:46 PM Sorry, I had a brain drain or something.
Based on previous postings this is common occurance. Please go for medical consultation, SOON! |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: Sorcha Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:40 PM OK, Q, I stand corrected. |
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Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP! (from a Moscow lass) Irish quiz query From: GUEST,Q Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:10 PM I looked it up, Sorcha, I hope this is right. "A harp, or stringed argent, on a field azure." The presidential standard is a blue flag with the heraldic harp. See Harp Many websites identify Ireland's emblem as the shamrock, but this is only a popular symbol. |
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