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I Wrote that Traditional Song

Deckman 29 Sep 04 - 10:00 PM
GUEST,g.h. 29 Sep 04 - 08:08 PM
GUEST,Burke 22 Aug 02 - 05:08 PM
MMario 22 Aug 02 - 09:32 AM
GUEST,Bill Kennedy 22 Aug 02 - 09:25 AM
Jim Dixon 21 Aug 02 - 08:30 PM
Amergin 20 Aug 02 - 09:19 PM
GUEST,Gerry. 20 Aug 02 - 09:19 PM
Rick Fielding 20 Aug 02 - 06:47 PM
kytrad (Jean Ritchie) 20 Aug 02 - 06:06 PM
Burke 20 Aug 02 - 05:48 PM
katlaughing 20 Aug 02 - 05:17 PM
GUEST,Jim I 20 Aug 02 - 04:36 PM
GUEST,nobby 20 Aug 02 - 11:45 AM
Jim Krause 20 Aug 02 - 11:39 AM
Hrothgar 20 Aug 02 - 05:41 AM
Irish sergeant 19 Aug 02 - 05:03 PM
Jim Krause 19 Aug 02 - 10:41 AM
Dave Bryant 19 Aug 02 - 10:18 AM
Steve Parkes 19 Aug 02 - 09:58 AM
nickp 19 Aug 02 - 09:31 AM
Julie B 19 Aug 02 - 08:27 AM
GUEST,Gerry. 16 Aug 02 - 07:38 PM
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kytrad (Jean Ritchie) 16 Aug 02 - 02:44 PM
Jimmy C 16 Aug 02 - 11:22 AM
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GUEST,Glen Reid 15 Aug 02 - 11:57 AM
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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 10:00 PM

guest g.h.   Sorry, I can't help you.

This thread reminds me of something I witnessed in California, probably about 1964 or 65. We were in the audience of a live concert featuring the late Dave Spence. Simply a WONDERFUL traditional Irish singer.

Being Irish, and a damned good story teller, he was long on introductions. As he introduced his next song, he mentioned how it was a "traditional" song from the old country, that spoke of the "Little people." He then launched into Malvina Reynold's "Little Land."

At the end of the applause for that performance, this little grey haired stood up in the audience and said "I WROTE THAT SONG AND MY NAME IS MALVINA REYNOLDS."

Poor Dave. He truly thought it was a traditional song, and there he was live, IN BERKELEY (which was Malvina's home town). He fumbled and stumbled and mumbled, and finaly just walked up close to the mike and said very straighforward: "I'm terribly sorry if I made a mistake. Please forgive me, and let's hear a big round of applause for Malvina Reynolds.

We were backstage later when they met in person. The evening ended pleasently. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,g.h.
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 08:08 PM

i wanted to know auther and where the island lies if it does excist iknew it was not traditional


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Burke
Date: 22 Aug 02 - 05:08 PM

MMario, that's one of my pet peeves. I see it a lot on Bluegrass recordings. They will record an old hymn that's become traditional, but did have a poet & composer >100 years ago. Frequently the information is no farther away than a Baptist Hymnal.

The one that really got me was on Dolly Parton's Little Sparrow, "In the Sweet by and by" is 'attributed' to Public Domain.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: MMario
Date: 22 Aug 02 - 09:32 AM

unfortunately many people equate "public domain" with "trad"


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 22 Aug 02 - 09:25 AM

In the thread on After the Ball, Masato has cut and pasted Frances Black's version from the web site, with the info, Songwriter: Trad. It may well be in public domain by now, but more likely someone has renewed the copyright on what was the biggest selling song hit of the 1890s, music & lyrics by Charles K. Harris. It should not have been at all difficult for Frances Black to discover this, and she may as well be mistaken about the slight alterations given to the song being enough to call deny Harris his due, the arrangement of Frances Black's version is now P. J. Curtis. Her version is not as good as the original, but less dated in style perhaps. But it is not TRAD.!


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:30 PM

I think this sums up the best strategy for recording "traditional" music. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Start with the assumption that every song was written by SOMEBODY, even if nobody knows who it is. And that person (or his or her heirs) deserves to be paid--UNLESS the song is so old that the copyright has expired and the song has passed into the public domain. For the US, I think that means 1920.

So to prove that your song is in the public domain, you have to find a published source that is older than 1920. (That's not that hard to do, if the song really is old.) Then, to be safe, you should stick exactly to the pre-1920 words and music unless you're quite certain that any modifications were invented by you and nobody else.

If you can't prove that the song is older than 1920, but you can't determine who wrote it, then the safest thing is to assume you will have to pay royalties to someone, and put money aside for that purpose.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Amergin
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 09:19 PM

i don't know...i think i would be thrilled if one of my songs became known as trad....just imagine walking into a pub...and some one is singing something that i wrote....would die of shock....but would be pleased....


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Gerry.
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 09:19 PM

Many composers in the U.K. have had their work credited as traditional/ arr. by. in the USA. Pete st. john, Pat Cooksey, and Ewan McColl to name but three. Songs registerd with PRS/MCPS in the U.K. do not automatically appear on BMI, HARRY FOX, ASCAP, etc, and therefore the writers of these songs are denied income when their songs are recorded or perfomed.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 06:47 PM

I learned "Deep Fork" from Sandy Paton, thinking it might be traditional. Imagine my surprise when he said Tom Paxton had written it. I'm told that Ewan MacColl would encounter folk who laughed in his face at his claim that he'd written "Shoals Of Herring". Apparently they THOUGHT they'd learned it from their parents (or grandparents).

Hi Jean...I imagine "The L and N..." has been sung (and recorded) a few times without folks knowing it's origin.

Other than the lost money, it's quite a compliment I guess.

Rick


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 06:06 PM

ASCAP has a good website- and I'm sure that BMI does also. For anyone who gets far enough with a song to want to protect it with a copyright, join up and they will (at least I know that ASCAP will) be very helpful.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Burke
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 05:48 PM

Hrothgar, the US government cannot copyright anything. Anything the Gov. publishes is public property. Since the Copyright office is a US govt. agency, the web site should also be Public Domain.

If you use material from there, it would be good to cite it as your source for purposes of showing authoritativeness. You also cannot copyright what you get from there either.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 05:17 PM

It used to be said that that would work for literature, Jim I. The best thing to do is still to register them with the copyright office. In the case of songs, the least expensive way is to include several in a "cycle" or "songbook," I think is what they call it. I'd ask my brother, but he's not available right now. He registered all of his songs that way. You only have to pay one fee, but can include several songs, instead of paying for each one indivudally.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Jim I
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 04:36 PM

A friend of mine has written quite a few songs over the last three or four years. I don't know how effective it is but what she does is enclose the song lyrics in a sealed envelope and then posts it to herself. She then has a dated (postmarked) copy of the original song.

Is this a reasonable tactic?


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,nobby
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 11:45 AM

"All music is folk music but I aint heard a horse that can sing" ergo all music is traditional. It is traditional to write music ergo all music is traditional and is handed on to the nex generation to do with as they please. fortuneately listening to most of the crap that is on TV I have faith that most of it will disappear into obscurity in a few months or weeks. I just hope no-one decides to ressurect it until I am dead and gone.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Jim Krause
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 11:39 AM

Hrothgar, I should think so.
Jim


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Hrothgar
Date: 20 Aug 02 - 05:41 AM

Does the US Copyright Office have copyright on the material n its website?


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 05:03 PM

Being a writer (Literature not music.) I know the copyright law applies as soon as the piece is written (In the UNited States) However, if it is not registered with teh copyright office the would be plagarist can claim innocnet infringement and may very well get by with it. Don't know how that works with music but I suspect it's the same. Kindest regards, neil


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Jim Krause
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 10:41 AM

Research, research, research.

I either write my own material, or perform material that is as certain as I can determine, over 50 years old and which copyright has not been renewed. Exceptions to this rule are songs written by known composers like Jimmie Rodgers, Carson Robinson, or A.P. Carter and the like.
Jim


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 10:18 AM

I have heard of songs where the original author has let people think that one of his own compositions is a trad one which he collected. A good example is "Bring us a Barrel" - see DT. Keith Marsden didn't admit to authorship until he'd been singing it for some years and everyone assumed that it was trad. BTW Dick Greenhaus, isn't it about time you corrected the first verse to what Keith wrote ? -

No man who's a drinker sups ale from a pin For there is too little good stuff there within.

Or are you trying the changing words trick......


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 09:58 AM

If you want to receive royalties from performances of your songs, you'll have to bite the bullet and cough up to the PRS, but if you just want the songs to be acknowledged as yours, you'll need to be able to demonstrate that you wrote it. "Registering" it by issuing a recording sounds like a good way, provided they get circulated; otherwise you'll just ahve to tell lots of people "I wrote this".

BTW, Julie, bear in mind that when the broadside of P&P" comes out, the copyright on the design will be mine!

Steve


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: nickp
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 09:31 AM

And then, of course, there's those 'traditional' songs 'Tall Ships' and 'The Galway Farmer' both written within the last 10 years by Steve Knightley (known in the UK as half of Show Of Hands - no relation to the US band of the same name)....


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Julie B
Date: 19 Aug 02 - 08:27 AM

Here's a link to the thread mentioned above by Herga Kitty ("the thread started by Mrs Lemon about PRS":

)

So what do you think of the PRS? (UK)

Julie B


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Gerry.
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 07:38 PM

Only the owner of copyright may authorize the changing of words, title, etc., of work, i.e. song. Many artists record songs believing them to be traditional and attribute these songs as trad/arr.by. thus denying the real author his or her rights as composer. The penalty for breach of copyright is pretty severe, check with BMI or ASCAP.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Burke
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 06:37 PM

As I understand it, checking your additional verses with the copyright holder is not just a courtesy, it's the law. This is from the FAQ at the US Copyright Office. Adding verses is considered a change.

How much do I have to change in order to claim copyright in someone else's work?

Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create a new version of that work. Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another's work, no matter how much you change it, unless you have the owner's consent. See Circular 14. A .pdf file

I don't know about the details of application once permission is obtained. It seems like the exact notes, payments, etc. would be negotiable, but this is what lawyers are for.

Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work is "created" when it is fixed in a copy or phonorecord for the first time. If you want to register it just to be sure the fee in the US is $30.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 02:44 PM

In the USA, the last time I checked, if one writes/adds a verse to a song belonging to another, he must (should?)get permission from the writer, explain in the notes that he himself added the new verse. The original writer/composer gets all royalties, however. Can anyone second this as correct information?


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Jimmy C
Date: 16 Aug 02 - 11:22 AM

Jim, I suppose if one is not making any money from the altered song it is ok, if however it was part of a commercial recording venture then that would be a different situation and proper steps should be taken.

Glen,

I can just imagine what Joe said when you mentioned me, probably something like " That little Belfast Gobshite, where did he spring up from " or words to that effect.

Does he have E-mail ?. I would like to contact him, I very seldom get into Toronto and/or Scarborough very much these days.

Stay in touch

Jimmy


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 15 Aug 02 - 01:17 PM

Julie B

As you're based in England, you should take a look at the thread started by Mrs Lemon about PRS. The bit that you really want to check out is the info that the rules have changed - registering for PRS used just to depend on having evidence that someone was singing your songs, but now, apparently, you have to pay a registration fee of £100 and have a commercial recording of the song...

Kitty


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Glen Reid
Date: 15 Aug 02 - 11:57 AM

Hi There, Thanks Joe Clone and MMario for the blue clicky thing. Greetings Rick and Michael, The guitar you saw on the web-page has a detachable neck (optional) and the black dot is the cover concealing the screw heads. I just noticed that my web page is missing a whole lot of other photos (mando-thingies etc.). And I don't know where they have gone. Know anyone out there who has some experience in setting up a luthier's web-page? I am a total novice.

Hi Jimmy C, I visited with Joe Brannigan (Brannigan's Boys) last month and we had a good old gab. I mentioned your name and we reminisced about those Camelot days of old. Wish you had of been there.

All the best,
Glen


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Jim McLean
Date: 15 Aug 02 - 11:53 AM

Jimmy, you could always check with Gordon Smith who wrote the lyrics. The Corries asked me if they could add a verse to one of my songs and even sang it over the 'phone! That was courtesy. Cheers, Jim McLean


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 15 Aug 02 - 11:52 AM

A classic example of theft is Wimoweh. The guy who stole it got rich and the family of the guy who wrote it in South Africa lives in a hut. The rich guy had a feature article in the architecture column of the New York Times Magazine section a couple of years back.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Jimmy C
Date: 15 Aug 02 - 11:04 AM

Jim, I agree with you to a point, one of the songs in question was " Come by the Hills", I happen to think it is a super song but even with repeating the first verse was still a little short, also the fact that most people repeat the first verse led me to believe that it MAY or MAY NOT be more finished with an additional verse ?. so I added another. It's a judgement call whether the extra verse really puts the finishing touch to it or not.

BTW, I don't make it a habit of adding verses, just on the very rare occasion, I always felt it was a bit unethical but acceptable provided I don't claim the whole piece, and gave credit where credit was due.

Slan


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Jim McLean
Date: 15 Aug 02 - 03:49 AM

That's a tricky one, Jimmy. I find some people change or add words to my songs, usually because they couldn't catch the correct worrds on the recording. It's a bit like painting in an item on a well known canvas just because you think it looks a bit bare. Some additions or changes to a song of mine tells me that the person doing the changing hasn't understood the song and that's a bit irritating. Having said all that, I added two verses to Burns's Tibbie Dunbar because I thought it was too short (for a recording) and no one's complained yet! Cheers, Jim Mclean


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Jimmy C
Date: 15 Aug 02 - 01:57 AM

In the past I have felt sometimes feel that a few good some songs are not long enough and have added an verse or two of my own. When performing any of these songs I always give credit to the original songwriter if known but also put in a plug about the added parts being mine. It has been a long time since I recorded anything, but what happens if someone were to record such a song? How would credits and/or royalties etc. be handled? Also, is it ethical to add one's own verse(s) to someone else's work?

Glen, it's good to hear from you again. (Still have no word about Brannigan.)

Jimmy


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 11:38 PM

Glen -- nice-looking instruments! Question: what's the black dot on the back?

Michael


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 11:32 PM

Yup, it's fine to let folks know about your stuff Glen. when people come on Mudcat simply to SELL, they quickly find out that we're a community, and ya gotta contribute. Your name has actually been mentioned a number of times here, so I hope ya can join and be part of our little folk family. Your knowledge of instrument building would be welcome here.

Cheers

Rick

P.S. My song "Voices of Struggle" has been sung as a traditional song in a number of areas, especially Quebec.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: MMario
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 04:31 PM

blue clickie for Glen


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Glen Reid
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 04:15 PM

Hi Mick Kat and Mario, The two CD,s I have available are Heritage River and the most recent, Wilcats Howlin' A big inspiration and a lot of imput came from my old pal Rick Fielding in the making of both these efforts.

The liner notes etc and information about my line of intruments are at http://www.onlink.net/~glenreid/index.html Cant seem to make it turn blue,

Thanks, Glen

link repaired by Joe Clone


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: NicoleC
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 03:00 PM

At least on this side of the pond, the (partial) solution is publishing, not just copyrighting. You can create your own publishing company fairly easily, and then get incorporated into one of the big catalogues like ASCAP or BMI. I'm not sure how you go about doing the second half, but here's a primer: http://www.ascap.com/about/howjoin.html

It won't help out with the folks who deliberately steal, but it will help get the song out there in a way that helps people credit it to you -- and you can get PAID for it if they do.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,eoin o'buadhaigh
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 02:15 PM

What about the newly composed ballad competition at the fleadhs? I have attended fleadhs as far back as the early 70's and know folk who have composed ballads and entered them only to hear them being sung at clubs years later and beng claimed by the artists. The same thing happened to myself but I questioned the artist who claimed my song and he came clean. It has bound to have happened to lots of songwriters without them knowing about it. As for entering in the fleadhs as I mentioned above - how can one protect or prove that the song is theirs?

slan Eoin


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Julie B
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 01:43 PM

I have recently written a song that people seem to like and want to perform. It is VERY traditional sounding, and, while it'll be lovely to hear other people singing it, and maybe recording it, I don't want to run the risk of it being attributed as 'Trad.' (or far worse, having somebody else claim that they wrote it). Friends tell me that in the UK, copyright is sort of automatic, and there is nowhere to register songs. Is this right? Can I do no more to protect my songs and prove that they are mine? Friends at the clubs I go to know which songs I have written, but will this be enough proof if someone else suddenly pops up singing them? (I know some have been recorded at sessions).

Julie B


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 11:21 AM

Glen, it is fine to promote your stuff here. In fact, it is encouraged. One of the wonderful things about this place is the ability to be exposed to so many fine artists that we might never otherwise get to here.


Fire away, and while you are at it, tell them about your instrument building.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 11:01 AM

Mine, too, MMario!

Glen, I am sorry, I should have said..answering here would be fine, according to Mudcat etiquette. That way others who are interested would also have the info, if you don't mind. Fielding will tell you...we had a wonderful thread when Lifeline came out. Some of your handiwork there, too, I see.:-)

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: MMario
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 10:02 AM

if it's about purchasing a CD available on the internet - dagnabit - answer here!!!!!

(d*mn my wish list keeps getting longer, and longer)


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Glen Reid
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 09:56 AM

Hello Kat, Being new to the Mudcat, I'm not sure if its appropriate to responde in the thread or privately. Email me at glenreid@onlink.net

Thanks for your interest. All the best. Glen


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Aug 02 - 12:54 AM

What a wonderful thread! Thanks for the heads-up, Mick.

Glen, I found your website and read about your CD, Heritage River. Do we order through you or elsewhere? Also, I don't know beans about guitars, but yours are really elegant...I love the lines...really beautiful.

Reading with great interest, thanks all,

kat


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST,Glen Reid
Date: 13 Aug 02 - 11:44 PM

Thanks for the kind words, Mick All the best, Glen


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Aug 02 - 11:09 PM

For those that live in caves and don't know the name (tongue in cheek comment), Glen Reid is one helluva songwriter and musician. One of the reasons that I am wearing out two of his CD's is that his music and lyrics have a very "traditional" feel to them. They tell great yarns, historical facts, stories about the area he lives in and obviously loves. But based on the feel of these, I would bet that he constantly has people that rip his songs off. Personally, I cannot understand someone who fancies him/herself as an artist and performer that would want to rip off another artist. I just couldn't do it. I don't think that is particularly admirable on my part, it is just the right thing to do. I know how hard it is to craft a well written lyric/tune. That is because I, despite having some marvelous tales to tell, have never been able to do it. So should the day come that I do, I certainly want my "property" rights respected.

A few weeks back, Jed, Jeri and I had the great privilege to sit in a song circle with Glen. It was a rare treat. I would commend strongly, his CD's. And give him the credit due when you sing his songs, because you surely will.

Mick


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 02 - 08:52 PM

Guy Carawan once recorded a song written by Bill Staines as being traditional. He even changed the title.


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Aug 02 - 07:42 PM

Gareth
UK legal precedents set the needed number of changed words to be greater than 1. I think 6 is the kind of number to make a good case. It is a gamble that you change the word that offends to one that the "copyrighter changed in order to avoid someone else's copyright". FWIW.
Not that UK law is going to help Snoozer.
There is a lot of oral tradition so it is to be expected that songs feel old. Lord of the dance was written in the 50's, (Sydney Carter is probably still with us.) the words that is, but they feel traditional. Of course their irony is that an American "born again Irishman" so popularised them that the world thinks the tune is Irish therefore the words are! When the tune is very traditional American.
But ask non-folkies and they will tell you ... Irish.
Oh 'tis a gift to be simple 'tis a gift to be...


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Subject: RE: I Wrote that Traditional Song
From: BH
Date: 13 Aug 02 - 07:21 PM

Give a listen to the great spoof by John Forster of Paul Simon. The song: Fusion. As he says in the lyrics: I changed one word and now ASCAP says its mine. Great imitation and beat in the song. It is on his Entering Marion CD.

Bill Hahn


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