Subject: RE: Chord Req: Danny Deever (Kipling/Bellamy) From: Leadfingers Date: 20 Aug 13 - 05:54 PM Chords in C (Just the way I do it) DANNY DEEVER (Rudyard Kipling) C G C F Dm Am "WHAT are the bugles blowin' for?" said Files-on-Parade. C G C F To turn you out, to turn you out", the Colour-Sergeant said. C F C Dm Am "What makes you look so white, so white?" said Files-on-Parade. C F C G C "I'm dreadin' what I've got to watch", the Colour-Sergeant said. G C F For they're hangin' Danny Deever, you can hear the Dead March play, C G C F The regiment's in 'ollow square-they're hangin' him to-day; C F C Dm Am They've taken of his buttons off an' cut his stripes away, C F G C An' they're hangin' Danny Deever in the mornin'. |
Subject: RE: Chord Req: Danny Deever (Kipling/Bellamy) From: GUEST,Musket between courses Date: 16 Aug 13 - 03:10 AM My good friend Mitch used to sing this to the Peter Bellamy tune. I used to find it haunting then, 30 odd years ago and reading the words now takes me back. Mitch sang comedy and parody mainly but his military past did cause the odd delve into thoughtful song. Thanks for reviving this Joe. |
Subject: RE: Chord Req: Danny Deever (Kipling/Bellamy) From: Reinhard Date: 16 Aug 13 - 12:19 AM Kipling himself was fond of singing his poetry ? This paragraph in Brian Mattinson aeticle on Kipling and Music says something else: It is said that Rudyard Kipling was tone deaf, 'my ears being wavering', and, as his daughter has affirmed, completely unmusical. According to Andrew Lycett , singing in the choir at Westward Ho! 'was a struggle; in a letter to a family friend, Rudyard complained that, in preparation for a concert, he was forced to attend choir practice for an hour every Thursday, Friday and Sunday. 'The constant la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la brings out all sorts of queer notes. I can't make out where I get 'em from.' 'He admitted towards the end of his life that Allah had excluded all music from his 'make-up except the brute instinct for beat, as necessary for the manufacture of verse'. |
Subject: ADD: Danny Deever (Rudyard Kipling) From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Aug 13 - 07:24 PM I don't see the lyrics posted anywhere at Mudcat, and that's a shortcoming that ought to be remedied. Please note, however, that Mathew requested chords. DANNY DEEVER (Rudyard Kipling) "WHAT are the bugles blowin' for?" said Files-on-Parade. "To turn you out, to turn you out", the Colour-Sergeant said. "What makes you look so white, so white?" said Files-on-Parade. "I'm dreadin' what I've got to watch", the Colour-Sergeant said. For they're hangin' Danny Deever, you can hear the Dead March play, The regiment's in 'ollow square-they're hangin' him to-day; They've taken of his buttons off an' cut his stripes away, An' they're hangin' Danny Deever in the mornin'. "What makes the rear-rank breathe so 'ard?" said Files-on-Parade. "It's bitter cold, it's bitter cold", the Colour-Sergeant said. "What makes that front-rank man fall down?" said Files-on-Parade. "A touch o' sun, a touch o' sun", the Colour-Sergeant said. They are hangin' Danny Deever, they are marchin' of 'im round, They 'ave 'alted Danny Deever by 'is coffin on the ground; An' 'e'll swing in 'arf a minute for a sneakin' shootin' hound- O they're hangin' Danny Deever in the mornin'! "'Is cot was right-'and cot to mine", said Files-on-Parade. "'E's sleepin' out an' far to-night", the Colour-Sergeant said. "I've drunk 'is beer a score o' times", said Files-on-Parade. "'E's drinkin' bitter beer alone", the Colour-Sergeant said. They are hangin' Danny Deever, you must mark 'im to 'is place, For 'e shot a comrade sleepin'-you must look 'im in the face; Nine 'undred of 'is county an' the regiment's disgrace, While they're hangin' Danny Deever in the mornin'. "What's that so black agin' the sun?" said Files-on-Parade. "It's Danny fightin' 'ard for life", the Colour-Sergeant said. "What's that that whimpers over'ead?" said Files-on-Parade. "It's Danny's soul that's passin' now", the Colour-Sergeant said. For they're done with Danny Deever, you can 'ear the quickstep play, The regiment's in column, an' they're marchin' us away; Ho! the young recruits are shakin', an' they'll want their beer to-day, After hangin' Danny Deever in the mornin'. There's an interesting study of this poem at Wikipedia. I particularly liked this part:
The tune "They're Hanging Danny Deever in the Morning" was played from the Campanile at UC Berkeley at the end of the last day of classes for the Spring Semester of 1930, and has been repeated every year since, making it one of the oldest campus traditions. |
Subject: RE: Chord Req: Danl wiuny Deever From: Leadfingers Date: 15 Aug 13 - 06:50 PM The tune is Derwentwaters Farewell - Not that much time now , but CAN post after the weekend . |
Subject: Chord Req: Danny Deever From: Mathew Raymond Date: 15 Aug 13 - 06:33 PM Great song can anyone help? |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Sep 11 - 09:21 AM Belatedly ~~ Peter Bellamy set 'Danny Deever' to Derwentwater's Farewell. He also wrote an effective tune for Kipling's moving lament for his dead son,'My Son John', despite its rambling and irregular metre. Both originally on the Barrack Room Ballads vinyl LP. ~Michael~ |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: tonyteach1 Date: 04 Sep 11 - 09:00 AM One of the nice aspects of Kindle ownership is the ability to download stuff quickly and very cheaply I have got the Barrack Room Ballads on my E book We have the Peter Bellamy stuff - some of the tunes are good but (takes deep breath) cannot stand his voice for any length of time |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Mark Ross Date: 26 Aug 08 - 01:40 PM Leslie Fish, where are you? I'd like to get in touch with you. Mark Ross |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: JeffB Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:43 PM Yep, that's it. Thanks very much Tom. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: The Walrus Date: 26 Aug 08 - 12:36 PM In the 1914 Drill Manual (itelf based on earlier editions), there is the following:- "...The firing party, consisting of 1 serjeant, 1 corporal and 12 privates, will be drawn up two deep, one pace interval between files, facing the building where the body is placed. The corporal will be on the right of the front rank. The serjeant will give all words of command, and be posted in rear of the centre. Arms will be at the slope..." So there is a firing party of 13 men - I assume this is the ..."Three rounds blank" an' follow me, An' it's "Thirteen rank" an' follow me... Any help? Tom |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: JeffB Date: 26 Aug 08 - 06:16 AM In the last verse of "Follow me 'ome" the funeral squad form up on the command "Thirteen rank". Anyone know just what this means? |
Subject: ADD: Elegy in a Country Churchyard (Chesterton) From: Snuffy Date: 09 Aug 08 - 08:30 AM Oo-aah thinks Chesterton learned "nothing at all from the carnage". I, however, find this as powerfuland as relevant today as "Recessional" ELEGY IN A COUNTRY CHURCHYARD (G. K. Chesterton) THE men that worked for England They have their graves at home: And birds and bees of England About the cross can roam. But they that fought for England, Following a falling star, Alas, alas for England They have their graves afar. And they that rule in England, In stately conclave met, Alas, alas for England They have no graves as yet. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Leslie Fish Date: 09 Aug 08 - 06:29 AM Oh yes, plenty of folkies and filkers have put tunes to Kipling's poems -- including me. And yes, he was far more than an Imperial apologist; his poems are as singable, and his prose as readable, today as more than a century ago. There are MP3s of Kipling poems set to my tunes at my website (www.lesliefish.com) and Joe Bethancourt's (link). Joe does an especially haunting version of "Helen All Alone". I have three albums of my tunes to Kipling's poems, and a fourth in the works. Enjoy! --Leslie Fish <;)))>< www.lesliefish.com |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Mrrzy Date: 28 Mar 03 - 10:49 AM They say that in the Army, the Kipling's mighty fine But if you try to kipple me I'll jump on your behind! Oh, I don't want no more of Army life.... |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 27 Mar 03 - 03:08 PM In the late 1950s, I heard someone on TV utter the phrase, "They're hangin' Danny Deever for the wearin' of the green." When I encountered Kipling's poem in school I immediately set it to that tune, and it works very well. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Greyeyes Date: 27 Mar 03 - 02:42 PM Story of the origin of Tommy Atkins can be found here. Blicky However it may not be entirely valid, despite Wellinton's biographers, as there are several references to Tommy Atkins in War Office documents as early as 1743. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Desert Dancer Date: 26 Mar 03 - 06:39 PM Guest Chris, here's one more: John Roberts & Tony Barrand (English expats in New England) did an album called Naulakha Redux. Lyrics, notes, and ordering info are at the Golden Hind website. Mostly Peter Bellamy's settings, but a few others, as well. ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: The Walrus Date: 26 Mar 03 - 06:20 PM Mary, Ihave been known to sing "Gethsemene" to the tune of the hymn "There is a Green Hill" - I suppose it's the Easter connection, - I do like the idea of it to "Derwentwater's Farewell" though. Walrus. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Guest Date: 26 Mar 03 - 07:37 AM Well cheers for some bloody brilliant websites, and an excellent thread on Kipling. I'm a comparitively young folky (20 yrs old) and have been mad on the poem's that have been set to tunes. I find that for an unaccompanied singer like me, many of the songs are suitable, even if the words sometimes take some remembering. These new websites will keep me busy while i'm finishing this year of university working in Vietnam. Thanks again Chris |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST Date: 26 Mar 03 - 05:37 AM Mary, If no one posts another tune, I think I will try Derwentwater Farewell ,as Easter approaches and the war goes on. Keith. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: ooh-aah Date: 26 Mar 03 - 03:11 AM I'm afraid I don't love Chesterton at all, though I admit his writing is of high quality. If he didn't constantly introduce setentious Catholic propaganda in so much of his stuff I might like him better. A further point about Kipling is that he learned some hard lessons in WW1, when his beloved son John died - he wrote perhaps his most moving and deeply felt story 'The Gardener' afterwards. Chesterton on the other hand continued with his bombastic 'Soldiers of the Lord' rubbish, long after the war when he should have known better - reading 'The Eternal Man' leads one to believe that he learned nothing at all from the carnage. 'The Gardener' also has a Christian conclusion, but it is introduced in a way that does not insult the intelligence of the audience, or distort the story. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Keith A Date: 26 Mar 03 - 03:07 AM Re Gethsemane, Thanks Kevin. Kippling's only son was killed in WW1. He spent years vainly searching for his grave. It didn't pass. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: mg Date: 25 Mar 03 - 10:54 PM is there a tune to the gas one? I sing it to Auld Lang Syne... Also there is one called when you go to London town, grieving, grieving, take your flowers and set them down at the place of grieving... as I suffered so have you and that will ease the grieving..I sing that to some version of Banorie?? And of course there is one that is obviously to the tune of we'll rant and we'll roar...we'll duck and we'll dive like little tin turtles?? and one that is obviously maid of amsterdam..in Lowestoff? the keel was laid and she was made for the ___trade.. the leading stoker's _____ the ____ stoker's 17..he don't know what the judgment means.. mg |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Mar 03 - 07:54 PM But quite impossible not to love Chesterton. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Joe_F Date: 25 Mar 03 - 07:24 PM G. K. Chesterton, who was antiimperialist, wrote a scathing satire on "Recessional" ("Post-Recessional): God of your fathers, known of old, For patience with man's swaggering line, He did not answer you when told About you and your palm and pine, Though you depoloyed your far-flung host And boasted that you did not boast. . . . We fancied heaven preferring much, Your rowdiest song, your slangiest sentence, Your honest banjo banged, to such Very recessional repentence;... But it ends Bless you, you shall be blameless yet, For God forgives an men forget. It's hard to hate Kipling. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Mar 03 - 07:24 PM I believe "Lesser breeds without the law" probably actually meant the Kaiser's Germany. |
Subject: Lyr Add: RECESSIONAL (Rudyard Kipling) From: lamarca Date: 25 Mar 03 - 06:08 PM The database of Kipling poems set to music is on the Kipling Society's pages - here's the link: http://www.kipling.org.uk/settings1.htm My husband and I have been singing "Recessional" as a concert closer recently. Unfortunately, its warnings against the hubris of Empire are just as appropriate today as they were when Kipling wrote it for Victoria's Diamond Jubilee - and after its publication, he was shunned by the Establishment for his heresy of suggesting that a solo World Power runs the risk of ignoring the limitations on Power and sinking into oblivion... Recessional A Victorian Ode (1897) GOD of our fathers, known of old, Lord of our far-flung battle-line, Beneath whose awful Hand we hold Dominion over palm and pine Lord God of Hosts be with us yet, Lest we forget - lest we forget! The tumult and the shouting dies; The Captains and the Kings depart: Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice, An humble and a contrite heart. Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget - lest we forget! Far-called, our navies melt away; On dune and headland sinks the fire: Lo, all our pomp of yesterday Is one with Nineveh and Tyre! Judge of the Nations, spare us yet, Lest we forget - lest we forget! If, drunk with sight of power, we loose Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe, Such boastings as the Gentiles use, Or lesser breeds without the Law Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet, Lest we forget - lest we forget! For heathen heart that puts her trust In reeking tube and iron shard, All valiant dust that builds on dust, And guarding, calls not Thee to guard, For frantic boast and foolish word Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord! |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 25 Mar 03 - 05:20 PM Toadfrog said: References to close-order drill practices have no parallel in the U.S. Army. We dropped close-order drill about the beginning of World War II. Somebody should have told that to the torturers who trained me during the Korean time! Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Q Date: 25 Mar 03 - 04:05 PM Peter Bellamy recorded 12 of the Barrack-Room Ballads in 1976, Green Linnet or Free Reed records. These vinyls were deleted, but someone may have put them out on tape or cd. Barrack-Room Ballads He was not the only one to sing these songs or to put music to them. Some poems from Kipling's other works have also been put to music. |
Subject: Lyr Add: GETHSEMANE (Rudyard Kipling) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:50 PM Vin Garbutt did a fine song version of "If" on his LP "Little Innocents. "As a way of life I can't fault it", he commented. Here's a poem (and a song as well) by Kipling which is maybe particularly apt right now: Gethsemane (pub. 1919) 1914-18 The Garden called Gethsemane In Picardy it was, And there the people came to see The English soldiers pass. We used to pass - we used to pass Or halt, as it might be, And ship our masks in case of gas Beyond Gethsemane. The Garden called Gethsemane, It held a pretty lass, But all the time she talked to me I prayed my cup might pass. The officer sat on the chair, The men lay on the grass, And all the time we halted there I prayed my cup might pass. It didn't pass - it didn't pass - It didn't pass from me. I drank it when we met the gas Beyond Gethsemane! |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: toadfrog Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:44 PM References to close-order drill practices have no parallel in the U.S. Army. We dropped close-order drill about the beginning of World War II. Rapaire: I believe you, but they sure must have changed the structure of the rifle company quite a lot since I was in. Then, everything was triangular (3 rifle squads of 12 men to a platoon, 3 rifle platoons and a machine gun section to a rifle company, etc.) |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: mg Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:26 PM there is a website by someone in England where he collects all the kipling tunes put to music. I put Helen all alone to a tune. It is very war-related, at least to my mind..a man and a woman who have each seen the elephant and have to part because of it...let her go and find a mate and I will find a bride..knowing not of Limbo Gate and who is trapped inside??? There is knowledge under heaven only one should own??? So Helen went from me she did Helen all alone... Read that poem for sure if you like Kipling. mg |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Q Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:21 PM Try again: Kipling Poems |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Q Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:18 PM The complete Kipling poems may be found as well at Kipling Poems Kipling (1865-1936) was born in Bombay but was sent to England for schooling at age five. Stalky and Co. was written about these days. When he was sixteen he returned to Lahore (1882) where he worked on the Civil and Military Gazette and on the Pioneer. His military poems were written in his spare time. After seven years, he returned to England and published his Barrack-Room Ballads. He knew whereof he wrote. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: The Walrus Date: 25 Mar 03 - 02:55 PM Terribus, The shift from 4 ranks to three came about in the 1930s (about the same time that appalling "stamping" foot drill became popular with Drill-Pigs. Walrus |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Mar 03 - 10:02 AM Form fours! Right turn! How can we keep the money we earn? Oh! Oh! Oh! It's a lovely war! That explains that, then. Steve |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Teribus Date: 25 Mar 03 - 06:09 AM Gareth the story re Thomas Atkins is true according to Wellingtons various biographers - and if memory serves me correctly the original pay-book is on display at Stratfield-Saye, in Hampshire. The poem of Kipling's appears to be set at a time when the British army marched in column of fours, not threes (each row of the column being four men, each line being the rank). The change from fours to threes was made to make them less susceptible to straffing by aircraft in the First World War. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Keith A Date: 25 Mar 03 - 03:15 AM Buck, Kippling's If was voted most popular poem here just a couple of years ago. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: ooh-aah Date: 25 Mar 03 - 12:04 AM I take your point Buck, but 'pretty much propaganda' IS quite close to 'merely'! |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 24 Mar 03 - 08:56 PM "GI" was short for (take your pick) "galvanized iron" or "government issue". Thus the big garbage cans that I had the excruciating pleasure of scrubbing out by hand when on KP duty were "GI cans". There are those who used to think "GI Joe" came from that. But everything that a soldier had, ate, fired, or wore was government issue, of course, and standardized to a fare-thee-well. Just as the Army wanted to think of the individual soldier: A standardized manpower unit, so to speak. Thus, the generic soldier "in the rear ranks", as it were, was GI Joe. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: BuckMulligan Date: 24 Mar 03 - 07:41 PM ooh-aah, and Micca - of course you're right about the "merely" part, so I re-read my post, and (whew) there's nothing in it to indicate that I wished to convey that Kipling was "merely" a propagandist. I would though like to know where he's widely read these days. I mean, other than amongst Mudcatters. And students of Edwardian imperialist propaganda (;>}... |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Gareth Date: 24 Mar 03 - 06:58 PM Alledgedly - and this is Folklaw - I can not back this with research - during one of Wellington's Battles, a dying Redcoat was carried past the Duke. Despite being in pain he answered his name - "Thomas Aitkin". Many years later when the Duke of Wellington was "Comander in Chief" he was asked to approve the name of the specimne soldier whose name would be the one used as an example in Army forms. He reflected and said "Thomas Aitkin" - Hence Tommy as the colective noun for the British Squaddy. True or not, it's good story. Gareth BTW How did "GI Joe" originate ???? |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring Date: 24 Mar 03 - 05:51 PM I can't look it up now, but Robert Graves has got an interesting little essay uncovering the real [original] Tommy Atkins. Anyone know this? |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Rapparee Date: 24 Mar 03 - 10:46 AM Or, in the US Army, the guidon bearer (pronounced "guide-on"). First position in the right file. The US Army currently uses four squads of ten people each for a platoon: two fire teams (or sections), one of 5 and one of 4, plus the squad leader. Three "rifle" or work platoons, plus a headquarters platoon of varying size, make up a company. Four companies to a battalion. Usually. Sections can be added or subtracted, special missions can do special things, etc. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,KeithA working Date: 24 Mar 03 - 10:22 AM Troll, you mean what we now call Right Marker? That is interesting, and significant to the song. Thanks. Wanting my beer today, Keith. |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Troll Date: 24 Mar 03 - 09:07 AM Files-on-Parade is a single man. He was the first man in the first squad of the company and the rest of the company "guided" on him. He man even have been in front of the First of the first. It was he who set the line on which the other men "dressed their ranks". He ahs also been called the "right guide" in other armies. I am not familiar with the disposition of troops on parade in the British Army during the last 19th century to know the position of the Colour Sergeant but he must have been close enough to "Files" to talk without being observed by the officers or -infinitely worse- the Sergeant Major. I'll dig out my old drill manuals and see what I can find. troll |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: Steve Parkes Date: 24 Mar 03 - 08:40 AM Here are more Kipling poems that you can shake a stick at, including "Back to the army again". Youre not Beau Guest, by any chance? Oh no, that was the Frencg Foreign Legion, wasn't it? Steve |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Guest Date: 24 Mar 03 - 07:41 AM Whilst there's a Kipling thread going (which I did'nt spot when writing a separate thread a minute ago)- does anyone have the words to 'back to the army again'. Another Kipling poem set to a tune by Bellamy I think. I've got the 'widow's uniform' recording- but can't make out all the words- I know the song well- but don't want to mumble those bits, or make something up! can anyone help? Thanks alot Guest |
Subject: RE: Meanings, Kipling army song From: GUEST,Santa Date: 24 Mar 03 - 05:28 AM It should be remembered that the Indian Army poems come from the young Kipling, before his main public success, and the more jingoistic works from his later days as something of an Establishment figure. Not the first nor last individual to become more conservative in his views with increasing age. |
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