Subject: RE: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Mrrzy Date: 29 Sep 22 - 07:48 PM All murder ballads could count That one I never found again about a guy who borrows a coat and someone else gets killed but coat borrower doesn't want to grass on coat owner so goes down for it, or something |
Subject: RE: Favorite Badman Ballads From: GerryM Date: 29 Sep 22 - 05:38 AM I see Me and My Uncle mentioned way upthread, and attributed to The Grateful Dead. They did perform it a great many times at their concerts, but they didn't write it – John Phillips (best-known for his work with The Mamas and the Papas) wrote it. Judy Collins was first to record it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Kim C Date: 24 Jan 03 - 12:41 PM Jim, I love that Tom Russell song! It would make a great movie. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Jim Colbert Date: 24 Jan 03 - 12:21 PM I grew up on Robbins's gunfighter ballad and trail songs too! To this day, one of my favorites, if not my single favorite disc. I wore out two vinyl copies of this through the years. Art said: A song that was called THE KILLER by John Lomax. When I did it I called it DOBY BILL. His name probably came from ADOBE-----which should've made him 'DOBE BILL in my rendition. Hey, Art, that's the guy who invented Photoshop and Illustrator, right? he he. How bout Sonora's Death Row by Blackie Farrell (my fave version is Richard Shindell's take on it.) David Olney's Dillinger. And I'd include Tom Rusell's sky above, the mud below even though the saloonkeeper/sheriff/judge (and he owned the hearse!) is probably the focal point. Cause it sure wouldn't be much of a song without the brothers Sandoval. jim colbert |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: mg Date: 24 Jan 03 - 11:54 AM Speaking of Bonnie and Clyde...did you know she was a balladeer? I read some verses by her in a book..one is about Suicide Sal...pretty good too. mg |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Cluin Date: 24 Jan 03 - 11:20 AM "The Slip Jigs and Reels" by Steve Tilston (also recorded by Fairport Convention, but I like ST's version better): Well the called him The Kid, and by twenty-one All that he knew was the power of the gun And by twenty three, he'd shot five men down Who'd got in his way as he rambled around Another Tilston song, also covered by Fairport is "The Naked Highwayman". In that one, the young highwayman is seduced by one of his female victims who steals his clothes and pistols... not to turn him in as in "Whisky in the Jar", but to practice the trade herself. And she is much better at it than he. There's another good "failed highwayman" song by James Gordon & Tamarack: "The Old Tweed Road". And a little known ballad of frontier justice by Archie Fisher called "The Mountain Rain" In which an old man and his son ride down out of the mountains and into the town to settle up with a gambler that killed the eldest son. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: GUEST,Jaze Date: 24 Jan 03 - 11:06 AM Fairfax County by David Massengill |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: open mike Date: 24 Jan 03 - 04:45 AM did no one mention Rocky Racoon? seems like there were some bad stuff goin' on in that Beatles tune..villains and such.... |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Art Thieme Date: 23 Jan 03 - 09:41 PM A song that was called THE KILLER by John Lomax. When I did it I called it DOBY BILL. His name probably came from ADOBE-----which should've made him 'DOBE BILL in my rendition. East Texas Red too. Both were on my first LP for Sandy. Also, MR. GARFIELD about the killing of James A.---on my second LP for Sandy. And THE HANGING OF CHARLIE BIRGER------from Vernon Dalhart (Marian Try Slaughter) about a notorious Southern Illinois bootlegger and crime gang leader and killer who was hanged in 1928 in Benton, Illinois for ordering the murder of used car dealer and Mayor of West City, Illinois, Joe Adams. The story of Charlie Birger is better than the song actually. I put it on my second LP for Kicking Mule (now out of print)--- Songs Of The Heartland. Art |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 23 Jan 03 - 08:42 AM Yes, Willie Seton is a Tom Paxton song, and it was on his first album on the Galsight label. My favorite would be Kenny Wagner... the most ignominious of all bad men ballads... "A woman sherrif captured him, 'casue he drew his gun too late." Oh, the Shame!!! Jerry |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: GUEST,Trae Buckner Date: 23 Jan 03 - 04:16 AM I've seen alot of good bad man ballads posted but nobody has mentioned my favorite. Pretty Polly "Polly, Pretty polly your guess is about right. I dug on your grave the better part of last night" "Momma Tried" by Merle Haggard is a good one too. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 05 Sep 00 - 10:10 AM Bseed, you've seen a different, fuller version than I have. I know it from Dave Van Ronk's rendition. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 05 Sep 00 - 01:39 AM doester, he didn't merely rob a jewelry store, he "shot three policemen, wounded 'bout four or five more." Weak, yes, dumb as hell, certainly, but murder ain't nice. Oh, here's one more: "Fall River Hoedown"--the ballad of Lizzie Borden. --seed |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Song Dog Date: 04 Sep 00 - 09:32 PM How about, "Bonnie and Clyde"? A bad man and woman together. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Metchosin Date: 03 Sep 00 - 06:57 PM well jeez, its my birfday and I've been into the Singleton for the last couple of hours.....I love you Ricard! er.... Richard... |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Metchosin Date: 03 Sep 00 - 06:33 PM Vincent Black Lightning 1952 - Ricard Thompson!!! |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 03 Sep 00 - 06:25 PM Bseed, I took like Betty and Dupree, but I really don't quite see (hear) Dupree as a badman. He's weak, and will do whatever his woman wants, so he robs the jewelry store for a diamond ring, but there is nothing that indicates that's part of a bad character generally on his part. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: GUEST,lohouse8 Date: 03 Sep 00 - 05:14 PM Has anyone mentioned an old timey tune called "The Fatal Flower Garden". A very wicked gypsy lady involved here. I think it's in the DT. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 00 - 07:00 PM Hang Down Your Head, And Cry, Poor Boy hasn't been mentioned. Duncan and Brady ("...he's been on the joooob topo long!") is real close to the grain. A |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Lonesome EJ Date: 02 Sep 00 - 05:16 PM Ah,Seed,my wizened cohort,I see you have returned to the scene of your former crimes.I suppose I'll have to keep a close eye on my grammar and syntax while you're in the house. LEJ smiling sardonically |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 02 Sep 00 - 04:14 PM Your chain was rusty and your mortar was crap, Montressor. Mason, indeed. --seed |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Lonesome EJ Date: 02 Sep 00 - 04:00 PM Ha! Got you again Fortunato! Requiescat in pace! LEJ by the way...how the Hell did you escape from the catacombs? |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:38 PM How about "Last Night" by the traveling Wilbury's... I asked her if she'd marry me, she pulled out a knife. "The party's just beginning", she said, "your money or your life." Now I'm back at the bar, she went a little too far. She done me wrong, all I've got is a song. Last night...talkin' 'bout last night... Now that's what I call a BA-A-A-A-D girl! |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:20 PM A couple of my favorites haven't yet been mentioned: "Betty and Dupree,' which I learned from Art Thieme's CD, "The Older I Get the Better I Was," and "Railroad Bill," a great pickin' tune which is a bit short of verses to make a complete narrative. --seed |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Midchuck Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:07 PM I'm not mad at anyone. I just think it's much more fun to carry on a discussion in HTML than in plain old text! Peter. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: GUEST,Patrick Shields Date: 01 Sep 00 - 01:02 PM that ole Otto Wood...'cause it's so much fun to sing, Leroy Brown cause he so bad, he think, and Ranger's Command,an old Woody Guthrie song about about a "bad" woman who would never run "as long as there's bullets in both of your guns" |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Jon W. Date: 01 Sep 00 - 12:36 PM Sorry midchuck Peter, I haven't had the opportunity to hear Tony Rice or Norman Blake nearly enough to know which is which. All I know is they did a great version of "New River Train" together but of course that's not a baddie song. I recognized the writer of "Billy Gray" as being the same Norman Blake but didn't have the CD nearby to double check the credits - thus my moment of doubt. Don't blame Planxty for my mistakes. Jon W. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: GUEST,Hutzul Date: 01 Sep 00 - 03:42 AM We're drifting in and out of "Folk" but "Mack the Knife" "In the Jailhouse Now" Doc Watson "Red Headed Stranger" ...he screamed like a panther... gives me shivers.
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Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:47 PM Earl - many thanks for the lyrics! Now I'm gonna sing that song a whole lot. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Fortunato Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:14 PM Damn it Lonesome EJ I read this whole damn thread just in case ya'll missed "Me and My Uncle" and all the way at the end, I mean right down to the end, and I'm getting excited, and there you go -- quote and all. Oh well, great minds think alike. damn good song. regards, Chance |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Midchuck Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:11 PM I agree it's a great song. But Ian Robb sings it so much better...IMNSHO. Peter. |
Subject: Lyr Add: JIM JONES (Bob Dylan) From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:07 PM "Jim Jones" - recorded by Bob Dylan on the album "Good As I Been To You":
Jim Jones
Come and listen for a moment lads, And hear me tell my tale
Now our ship was sailing on the sea when pirates came along
Now it's day and night the irons clang, and like poor galley slaves The words vary a bit here and there, but that's basically it, and that's how I sing it these days...great song! |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Ely Date: 31 Aug 00 - 05:29 PM Thank you, Midchuck! Gotta agree so far: "Dehlia"; "Billy Gray"; "Jesse James" (esp. Golden Ring version); "Wild Bill Jones"; "Ella Speed"; "Staggerlee" (actually, I like the 1950's R&B version a lot). Must add "Little Sadie", "Captain Kidd", "Tom Dooley", "Duncan and Brady" and Robert Earl Keen's "Tom Ames' Prayer". Would "Frankie and Johnny" and "Betty and Dupree" count? And there are lots of good European ones: "Brennan on the Moor" and such. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Whistle Stop Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:47 AM Lots of good ones to choose from. A few I haven't seen mentioned yet are "Folsom Prison Blues" by Johnny Cash, "1959 Vincent Black Lightning" by Richard Thompson, and a few (among many) by Steve Earle -- "Billy Austin," "Ellis Unit #1" and "Copperhead Road". |
Subject: Lyr Add: JESSE WITH THE LONG HAIR (R E Keen) From: RWilhelm Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:55 AM Little Hawk,
JESSE WITH THE LONG HAIR...
Jesse took a powder, slicked his long hair back
Luann fixed her makeup, straightened out her dress,
Chorus:
Sheriff Paul was sleepin', his hat off in his lap
They had been compadres many years before. CH0RUS
Mr. Brown the banker hid the money in his case.
Mr Brown had taken the land that Jesse owned.
Mr. Brown was all alone Luann came walking in.
Mr Brown grabbed Luann's gun and held it to her head. CH0RUS
The bullet that killed Mr. Brown came through the windowpane.
Sheriff Paul was fast asleep his hat down on his eyes,
Chorus: |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: DougR Date: 31 Aug 00 - 02:48 AM Well, Peter, ever heard of TUMs? DougR |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Steve Latimer Date: 30 Aug 00 - 03:14 PM The Narrator and his father in Willow Garden, although they get theirs in the end. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Lonesome EJ Date: 30 Aug 00 - 02:57 PM All of those cowboys lost all of their gold And I loved my Uncle God rest his soul He taught me good Lord Taught me all I know Taught me so well I grabbed that gold And left his dead ass there by the side of the road." Me and My Uncle - The Grateful Dead |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Jim Krause Date: 30 Aug 00 - 02:03 PM Thought of another one Delia recorded by Blind Willie McTell Peter, I think you have the makings of another badman ballad. You even have a title already Don't Get Me Started Go to it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Jim Krause Date: 30 Aug 00 - 01:57 PM Now there's a great lead in for a badman ballad! Even got a title already Don't Get Me Started One more to add to the list, it's Blind Willie McTell's version of Delia's Gone. He just recorded it under the title Delia |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Midchuck Date: 30 Aug 00 - 01:35 PM Gawd, that was fun! Peter. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Midchuck Date: 30 Aug 00 - 01:34 PM Jon W. said: "'True Love Knows no Season' written by Norman Blake (or was it Tony Rice?) and recorded by Planxty."
The title is "Billy Gray," dammit!It's Norman's song, so Norman can damn well decide what the title is. Planxty are either crooked or don't know enough to get out of their own way! And Tony Rice could no more have written that song than I could play one of his guitar solos! There are people who can play guitar as good as Norman and there are people who can write as good songs as Norman but there is no one who can play guitar as good as Norman and write as good a song as Norman and that's all there is to it. I have spoken. Now please try not to get me upset again today. It's bad for me to get worked up at my age. Peter. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 30 Aug 00 - 01:10 PM ALMOST ANY badman song by Dave Van Ronk. He can breathe such vigor, such badness into a song, it's breathtaking! |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Jim Krause Date: 30 Aug 00 - 12:59 PM I like the idea about doing a Hearme session all about badman/badwoman ballads. One o' these days I'll have to get crankin' and join up on one of 'em. Great titles, all. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Jon W. Date: 30 Aug 00 - 12:18 PM "True Love Knows no Season" written by Norman Blake (or was it Tony Rice?) and recorded by Planxty. "Cole Younger" recorded by Dock Boggs.
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Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: SINSULL Date: 30 Aug 00 - 11:58 AM I grew up with Marty Robbins' Gunfighter Ballads too. And found a copy of it in the co-op's trash along with "Songs Our Daddy Taught Us'. I should be ashamed about picking through other people's trash - but I am not. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Wesley S Date: 30 Aug 00 - 11:54 AM I'm not sure who wrote it but Joe Ely does a great song called "Me and Billie the Kid". "She used to love that little dog then one day I up and shot it" |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: Steve Latimer Date: 30 Aug 00 - 11:31 AM The Red Headed Stranger is about as they come. |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: GUEST,Gene Date: 30 Aug 00 - 11:11 AM The Ballad Of John Dillinger |
Subject: RE: BS: Favorite Badman Ballads From: sledge Date: 30 Aug 00 - 03:40 AM long lankin |
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