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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,Phil Date: 08 Jul 04 - 05:18 PM Louth in Lincolnshire also has a non smoking Folk club. If you are on the East coast holidaying, give us a look up every 2nd and 4th tuesday in the month. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,Jacqued Date: 08 Jul 04 - 08:20 AM Bridlington Folk Club has been no-smoking for years. No prob. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Bernard Date: 07 Jul 04 - 06:21 PM In case anyone didn't already know... OBIT: Julie B |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: breezy Date: 01 Jul 04 - 05:12 PM well said Frank |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Schantieman Date: 01 Jul 04 - 04:04 PM The Bothy Folk Club in Southport, Lancashire is not officially non-smoking but the few regulars who are smokers generally refrain from doing so in the club room. Nice room, good hotel - the Shelbourne Hotel on the corner of Lord Street & Duke Street - and brilliant beer! Always Tim Taylor's landlord; usually Marston's Pedigree & always one or two others - always in good nick. Next year is our 40th birthday & we're planning a load of events at the end of April. End of advert. Steve |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Sooz Date: 01 Jul 04 - 04:04 PM You'd be welcome at either Gainsborough or Market Rasen Folk Clubs, Frank! No smoke at either, excellent craic and a warm welcome. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,Frank Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:25 PM It's wonderful to see all the non-smoking venues that are now in Britain. I would like to visit some folk song clubs in the B.I. so it really pleases me that they are there. My step-father smoked. I had asthma as a boy and grew up to have some minor emphesema although I never smoked. I also used to play in smoky clubs. Side stream smoke is more harmful than many pollutants. The smoke contains chemicals other than nicotine and in combination with it are killers. The problem with smokers who don't want to be ghettoized is generally this. They are not aware of the damage they are causing to others. They have desensitized themselves to smoke and figure that if it doesn't appear to hurt them (in their own mind) it won't hurt others. There is no real justification for smoking any more. There is too much information about it available. I have no problem with those who smoke (if they want to destroy themselves, it's their choice) but I don't ever want to have to breathe it. If I'm subjected to it, than I consider my personal rights violated. Here's to more non-smoking venues throughout the world! Frank |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST Date: 01 Jul 04 - 02:29 PM St Albans Herts Fridays at the Duke of Marlborough, Holywell Hill with national name guests every week Sundays at the British legion, Verulam road, with local artistes although the guests are lining up from further afield |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 01 Jul 04 - 02:06 PM Hull area= Mondays-White Horse Folk Club, White Horse [Nellies] Beverley Tuesday-Processed Pea Folk Club, Etton, Near Beverley Wensday-Cottingham Live, Northern Foods Club, Cottingham all the above are NON Smoking. Ist Thursday-Marlborough Club, 1 table reserved for non smokers. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Steve Parkes Date: 18 Feb 02 - 03:18 AM Quit5e right lads--none of us (well, most of us) aren't anti smoker, just anti-smoking. I don't mind what bad habits people have, as long as it doesn't frighten the horses or make me cough! Steve |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Ned Ludd Date: 17 Feb 02 - 04:44 AM John, fair comment! (although my pipe takes up to 30 mins to smoke) If more non smokers used reasoned arument, instead of agressive tactics they might get less defensive responses.( No one tells me what to do,but try asking.) |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: John Routledge Date: 17 Feb 02 - 04:32 AM Ned - You would only be excluding the minority during the time they were smoking. Surely a much smaller price for them to pay than all the others affected by the smoke. Delighted however to see that the club is often smokefree. Best wishes for your Club. Cheers John |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Ned Ludd Date: 17 Feb 02 - 04:22 AM At the General Ludd we do not have a non smoking policy,as I do not believe in excluding a minority. Particularly when it includes most of the regulars, the organiser and the Landlord. However, I and many of the regular attenders will refrain if requested politely to do so either by guest , or a member of the audience. I agree that smoking is difficult as it affects those around you, but please remember that smokers are addicts. The good news is that though there is no firm policy, the club is often smoke free these days. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Big John Date: 16 Feb 02 - 01:57 PM Ah Jaysus, what about the smokers? Don't worry guys, come on over to Dublin where you can have your guitar, your pint and your fag and the craic. (For the info of USA readers Fag = Cigarette, Craic, pronounced crack, is the general fun and ambiance associated with what we do in Irish pubs). You'd better get here soon, theres talk of outlawing smoking in the pubs here. See you at my funeral? |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: John Routledge Date: 15 Feb 02 - 05:41 PM Great job Julie. I am slowly gravitating towards totally non-smoking venues. Will PM you any good ones Cheers John |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Julie B Date: 15 Feb 02 - 10:46 AM Over the next couple of weeks I'm planning to check the details in this thread and then carry the still relevant club details over into a new thread, to be called somthing like "Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK: 2002" If you know of changes to any of the details posted above last year, please either post new details to this current thread, or PM me. Thanks for your help Julie B |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,Hamish Date: 22 Dec 01 - 03:35 PM Yes - Tudor Folk CLub would be delighted to see you! It's not only a non-smoking venure - but the whole building is non-smoking (bar, corridors, stair well...) Also, I'm doing a one-off (maybe to be followed) singaround session on 11th January in the Blue Ball near Chesham. For details of this, soo, see my site Cheers Hamish |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: breezy Date: 21 Dec 01 - 02:51 PM silver cup re-opens Fri 18th Jan with Mick Pearce and runs every Friday, totally acoustic in comfort.AND all mobiles OFF |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Julie B Date: 21 Dec 01 - 08:18 AM New venue for a new singaround in 2002. Blue Ball which is about two miles north-west of Chesham, Bucks, England.
Booked so far are: - Friday 11th January - acoustic singaround in the non-smoking function room and - Friday 25th January - amplified open mic session in the main bar.
For details see Hamish's thread New singaround in 2002, Chesham, England |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: breezy Date: 26 Oct 01 - 08:01 PM the Silver Cup Folk club Harpenden, Herts. non-smoking, crisp-crunching,mobile-phone-ringing, totally acoustic, Vin g's only accoustic gig of the year 10 May 2002.Isolated function room, you daren't do anything to distract others while the singer is singing, so hard luck if it's a bladder stretcher.All the old values return.Every Friday, 2nd Nov Jenny and Alan, 9th.Nov. Webber / Fentiman 16th Nov Reuben's Train, 23rd. Windward |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,Pete W. Date: 26 Oct 01 - 04:18 PM Don't think this has been mentioned on the thread yet - The Oak Room Music Club is a non-smoking club that meets every Monday night in the Globe Hotel, Warwick - just off the Market Place. Also a very friendly club. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: bradfordian Date: 26 Oct 01 - 08:28 AM Of course, as we usually sing in pubs we pay TAX on booze, but smokers also contribute TAXES in abudance (for my pension), but it is rightly pointed out that there are plenty of places in pubs to smoke other than the club room and most people do not begrudge smokers their vice; it is just when it affects others. Rosie Hardman had to give up performing in folk clubs due to the effect of smoke. The ROBIN HOOD Folk Club, now at the NAGS INN AND PLOUGH, Nottingham Road, Stapleford, is a non-smoking venue and it works well. BTW Tim Garland (of Fieldwork) is performing on Sat 27th Oct for anyone who might be down Stapleford, Notts way. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Steve Parkes Date: 26 Oct 01 - 07:42 AM If only it were possibe to be affected by the fumes from someone else's drink! We wouldn't half save some money ... "Hey, big boy ... blow some of the froth my way!" Steve P.S. That's an allusion to an old story, btw--I haven't come ver al funny. P.P.S. It's possible to be overcome by the fumes in a brewery--hence "barmy": the result of having lost lots of brain cells by inhaling the fumes from the "barm" i the brewing vats. Isn't this educational? |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 26 Oct 01 - 03:55 AM For the record, I'm quite a heavy (well 14 stone) smoker, and I have absolutely no problem at all with non-smoking venues. It's what the Great Outdoors was invented for. In fact I don't even smoke in my own house (can't stand the smell, as it 'appens). The effects of cigarette smoke on others are so obvious that it would be curmudgeonly and selfish to even think of objecting. So let that be a lesson to you. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Herga Kitty Date: 25 Oct 01 - 03:46 PM Herga (Mondays) has a non-smoking policy as the result of a motion put forward at the AGM a few years ago by Anni Fentiman. You can do this if the club is running in a function room without a bar. When we had Dick Gaughan as a guest, his contract specified a smoke-free venue - so Dick had to nip out for a fag in the interval. This isn't really about Puritanism - the effects of booze on people's voices are generally confined to those who imbibe, but smoke has effects on other people, especially those with asthma, that the smoker may not notice. Are there any TT smokers who are made ill by the alcoholic fumes emanating from non-smoking drinkers? - if so, I apologise. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Oct 01 - 11:55 AM We certainly don't see many chanteurs populaire at Bedford FC, although we did get one at the Cuckoo at Wollaston a couple of months back. Steve P.S. He was a non-fumeur. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Arnie Date: 25 Oct 01 - 11:17 AM Although a non-smoker, I was opposed to a non-smoking policy in our folk club (Star & Garter, Deal)when this was first proposed by the MC. We had a few good performers who also smoked and I didn't want to lose them. The MC pressed ahead anyway and we lost a fine baritone singer who refused to attend if he wasn't allowed to smoke in the room. However, attendance is now on the up and many new non-smoking guests have appeared, some of whom are also good performers. The few remaining smokers don't mind going downstairs to the bar for a quick drag which also gives them the opportunity to have a natter without disturbing the singers. So I've had a change of mind on the subject and now agree that a non-smoking policy is best for the club - my clothes and hair still stink of smoke but now that's my fault from lingering too long at the bar! Deal is probably too far for you to travel though Julie B - it's handier for the French! |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Julie B Date: 25 Oct 01 - 11:03 AM …Indeed Dai! More and more smoke clubs are indeed choosing to designate themselves 'non-folking' these days. Years ago, a folk singer would think nothing of suddenly bursting into a 43 verse ballad in the middle of a room full of chain smokers. Understandably, some smokers got quite upset. Many smoke clubs started to restrict folk music to certain areas (out of earshot of the smokers) or ban it altogether. So, in many venues now, singers are forced to pop outside for a quick chorus during breaks. This seems fair. Often, only one or two of the smokers present are actually folk singers themselves anyway, and what smoker wants to have to go home with an unwanted tune lingering in his head for days?! *BG* Julie B
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Oct 01 - 10:16 AM I can't answer your second query, Dai, but I know there are a lot of decorated walls in Birmingham. Steve |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: The_one_and_only_Dai Date: 25 Oct 01 - 09:00 AM ?!!?... go on? Are there any non-folking smoke clubs, incidentally? |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Gillie Date: 25 Oct 01 - 08:58 AM The Black Diamond club is a no smoking club that meets on a Friday night at The Turk's Head in Lawson Street, BIRMINGHAM. Not far from the town centre and is a supberb, warm, welcoming club. The wall decoration is very interesting. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Steveie1 Date: 25 Oct 01 - 08:30 AM Crail Folk Club in Fife is non smoking. 2nd and 4th Thursdays. Steve |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Julie B Date: 25 Oct 01 - 08:12 AM 'Singers Only' session The Crown Market Place Stony Sratford Bucks
See thread New Singers Session UK 16th October for details of new 'Singers Only' session (no instruments) every third Tuesday of the month at the Crown, Market Place, Stony Stratford, Bucks, from 16 October onwards at 8.30pm. Note that, although there is no smoking in the session room, smoke naturally drifts through from adjoining rooms via open doorways and bar area, and gets worse as the night wears on; your clothes will still reek on the way out!... but if you can tolerate some smoke, you might want to give this session a go (maybe try the first hour; before the smoke builds up). It's popular so arrive early to get a seat - the singing had started by the time we arrived at 8.15pm the first night. Julie B |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,Malcolm Robinson Date: 10 Sep 01 - 05:10 PM Tamworth Folk Club is non-smoking. Meets every Friday night (except August) at The Gamecock, Birchmoor, Near Polesworth (Staffs/Warks border close to A5 and M42 junction). Free Admission on all but five nights per year when charges for Special Guests apply. Passing musicians always welcome. No smoking policy was adopted three years ago with no objections from the small number of smokers who used to fug up the room. They now nip out to the bar for a quick one! More info on the club, and many others in the midlands at www.emfp.co.uk |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,Lanfranc at the orifice Date: 10 Sep 01 - 08:21 AM "And then you do what with it, Walt?" As a cigar smoker, who gave up cigarettes years ago, I respect those, like Harvey and Hilary from Artisan, who have a problem with smoky atmospheres. I can, and do, survive up to six hours without a weed, but, given the choice, I smoke. I want something to get me before Alzheimers does, and I derive pleasure from my cigars. However, I am personally convinced that the additives in cigarettes and cheap cigars (I only smoke 100pc tobacco offerings) are the problem rather than the tobacco itself. Winston Churchill smoked up to 10 large Havana cigars a day all his life, and lived to 90-odd. He was hardly a sylph either. The comments of those who endured passive breathing of his exhaust gases are not recorded, to my knowledge, but those were different times. Non-smokers who work in a large town or city probably absorb many times more carcinogens and other pollutants from diesel fumes and other sources than they do from passive smoking, but we smokers are an easier target for their opprobrium. Wouldn't it be fun if it turned out that a major cause of asthma was the Hydrogen Sulphide emitted from every car fitted with a catalytic convertor?
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Julie B Date: 10 Sep 01 - 07:55 AM St. Neots Folk Club, Cambridgeshire The club has now moved from the Coneygear Pub (due for demolition) to a new home at St. Neots Football Club. The club is still non-smoking and meets every Tuesday, with sing-arounds on the last Tuesday of every month (closed in August). Julie B
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Steve Parkes Date: 08 Aug 01 - 03:25 AM Julie, it's me that comes from Walsall! Harvey, being mistaken for a Walsall lad must be nearly as awful, if much rarer, as being me being called a Brummie! (Although I married a Birmingham girl, so that makes me a Brummie by marriage.) It's horrifying nw to think back to those smoke-filled rooms of the sixties and seventies; I was a heavy smoker then, so I must have been largely responsible. I don't suffer from asthma, although my daughter does; but I often find my throat start to tighten when people are smoking now. Attitudes have changed gtreatly in the last few years, and I'm sure they will continue to do so until even most smokers consider smoking to be anti-social. If we can wait that long ... Steve |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Tony Burns Date: 07 Aug 01 - 09:41 PM Julie, I scanned this thread quickly and may have missed it but has anyone suggested the song circle alternative to your pub sing around? I have been attending the Toronto Song Circle for 5 or 6 years now. It is held every Friday night in a different members home. There is never any smoking at any of these events. It might take a while to get going but if you find a few like minded people you just get together and sing. Encourage people to offer to be hosts but remember that not everyone will have a place that will accomodate the group. In Toronto we take snacks to contribute to a break part way through the evening. I once attended a mid-week song circle in Boston that started ealier and had a pot-luck supper. I think there are a couple of song circle threads here at the 'cat. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,harvey andrews Date: 07 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM From Birmingham actually Julie.I get this feedback so much. So many people, including my wife and I never go to pubs, which seem to be exclusively for smokers. If you ever visit Shrewsbury their is a non smoking pub which is now doing a roaring trade after years of oprobrium and ridicule...it's the coming thing! |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST Date: 07 Aug 01 - 01:13 PM Thanks very much for that Harvey. On guest nights at Bedford Folk Club, Mike Blair (who runs it)does put a sign up kindly asking people not to smoke while the guest is performing (...but some still do anyway!). However, there is no such restriction on normal sing-around nights, despite several of us complaining in the past. I think maybe organisers are afraid of alienating the pub landlord if they say they want the room to be designated as non-smoking for the evening. If so, it's a shame, as I have several friends at work who would be coming along, if not for the smoke. Incidentally, it's really ironic that you should post to this thread, as my partner and I saw you performing at the Flying Cloud Folk Club in Toronto in April this year. I've been visiting folk club singarounds/concerts in the UK for a year or two, but my partner Nick (who stopped smoking himself 10 years ago) reacts really badly to smoke now (and perfumes etc too) and so had never once been with me. Prior to our Canadian holiday, I posted to a Toronto related Mudcat thread asking what folk events might be on during out visit. When black walnut replied with details of their club, and confimed that it was a completely non-smoking venue, Nick and I made plans to go along on the Sunday night before we flew home. It was fantastic to go into bars in Toronto and find no smoke - we rarely visit a pub in the UK, but we went out every night there. And so it was that Nick and I had our first ever visit to a folk club together. I was a bit apprehensive about how he would react to his first live exposure to folk music, but you'll be glad to hear that he really, really enjoyed your songs (quote: "I'd really like to go and see him again some time!") and the supporting performers. In fact, he couldn't stop talking about it for days! I don't know what he thought we all get up to in folk clubs, but he was definitely pleasantly suprised! It's just a shame that we had to travel thousands of miles from Northamptonshire to go and see a performer from Walsall in a nice smoke free club! :-) Julie |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,harvey andrews Date: 07 Aug 01 - 11:50 AM I've been fighting this battle for years. Having an asthma that reacts badly to cigarrette or especially, cigar smoke, as well as perfumes (otherwise, no problems)I carry fliers that can be posted in the club;"For medical reasons the artist politely requests no smoking" Anyone who becomes aggressive is shown my inhaler and I just point out that they are paying me to do my best work and they'll get my best work if the air is clean. Five years ago this was a battle..today I hardly ever have to put a poster up. Generally I just ask the organiser if a no smoking gig is possible and almost without exception the answer is "No problem".Smokers seem to have accepted that they should nip outside in the interval..they are free to smoke.I am free to sing at my best. The poster idea was given me by Artisan who also make a no smoking request..and I think that's the way to deal with it. A request on medical grounds is very difficult for the most ardent polluter to refuse!! Maybe you could try this approach Julie. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: black walnut Date: 07 Aug 01 - 09:57 AM Still rooting for you, JulieB! ~b.w. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Julie B Date: 07 Aug 01 - 05:54 AM Also, re. Cuckoo in Wollaston, Northants. The 'restricted smoking' is of limited use. At the session last night two audience members (no performers, mind you) were chain smoking cigarettes and cigars. My throat quickly got sore when singing, and I had to go home. Sadly, the venue is little better than the usual 'smoking' club (as all are, by sad default!) Julie |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Julie B Date: 07 Aug 01 - 05:47 AM Refresh. Still desperate to find at least one non-smoking folk venue somewhere in Northamptonshire/Befordshire area. Julie |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: GUEST,yodelady Date: 04 Jul 01 - 07:49 PM the FO'C'SLE is a Friday night club in Southampton which has been non-smoking for about 6 years now. I started the whole non-smoking thing at that club. The bar downstairs has plenty of smoke for all. The Woolston club in Southampton meets on the same night and is run by chain -smokers. For those who think that smoke is a trivial CHOICE, may I add that for those of us with asthma, the effect of being in a smoking venue can last for several WEEKS and the more times we expose ourselves to smoke, the worse our health is the next time we are exposed. I finally had to leave the UK because it was not possible to avoid the (sometimes aggressive) smokers. Not everyone has the ability to leave the country. There is no cure for asthma. |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Tattie Bogle Date: 04 Jul 01 - 07:26 PM Add to the Scottish list Penicuik - but fight your way through the fug in the bar next door! Tattie B |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: JudeL Date: 04 Jul 01 - 05:43 AM "those with asthma like symptoms can see a doctor" - are you really so stupid that you honestly believe that a doctor can wave a magic wand and phfft asthma disappears, the only thing the doctor can do is issue sufferers with medication that can help to reduce the wheezing and increase the resistance to an attack and another inhaler to help when an attack is suffered. BUT it is not a cure. Another thing to be aware of is that repeated severe attacks can cause anoxia and the associated damage to other parts of the body such as overstraining the heart. 6 years ago a neighbour of mine died on her way to hospital - she had suffered yet another severe asthma attack, insufficient oxygen got to her heart and it stopped. The ambulance crew tried to revive her but couldn't. She was only 26 years old, her daughter who is now 10 is being raised by her grandmother. Please don't try to trivialise asthma it is not an inconvenience it can KILL. Jude |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: John Routledge Date: 03 Jul 01 - 09:21 AM The Four Fools Festival in Chorley (Lancs) last weekend was in a school and was non smoking all weekend. The singing was stupendous. End of debate? GB |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: Julie B Date: 03 Jul 01 - 08:51 AM This one isn't a non-smoking club, but does have a'restricted smoking' policy (i.e. signs are put out on tables asking people only to smoke on one or two tables at one end of the room). It can get smoky if a chain smoker turns up, but for the last sessions there have been no smokers at all. Arrive early to grab a chair at the 'non-smoking' end.
Acoustic (mostly folk) session First Monday of every month Run by Pat Baldwin |
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Subject: RE: Non-smoking folk clubs in the UK From: InOBU Date: 25 Jun 01 - 10:29 AM Hi Richard: Looking over our exchange as this has been recycled many months hence, I see I made an analogy to whiskey. Actually in my recolections, my father DID pour Guiness down my throat at a young age, for which, though I no longer have a liver that tolerates alcohol, I am still thankfull and in his debt. I am glad he was not charged for this, or other rotten abusive things he did, but just to set the record straight, well, the nice fellow did ply me with strong drink at an early age. On the other hand, thank God, he did not stuff ciggies in my gob, for which I am also thankful. Well stay and ex-smoker, and don't hurt your friends who play music and wish to keep breathing. CHeers all, Larry |
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