Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: gnomad Date: 11 Mar 03 - 02:22 PM The Drovers, Words by the great Keith Marsden, tune courtesy of Vivaldi. Don't have the words here, but they are available in "Picking Sooty Blackberries" ed. Val Marsden. Available also on CD Doin' the Manch (Fellside FECD72) from Cockersdale. A fine song IMO |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: bradfordian Date: 11 Mar 03 - 02:11 PM Hi folks, On a similar theme, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this other Droving song below:- CHORUS Oh the droving days are gone And the drovers way is run For the railway's made And they've taken the trade And the droving days are gone LAST VERSE I'm old and there's no place at hirings for me For who wants a bent broken man? I wish God would bring back the days that we knew When the drovers are on the road again Regards Brad. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 15 Sep 02 - 11:59 PM G'day Greg, Quite a lot of Bert Lloyd's songs came out on LP in Australia as early as the later 1950s, with local pressings by Wattle Records, presumably from the Topic masters. Much of this was re-released on CD by Warren Fahey's Larrikin Records, before it was bought up by Festival. Quite a lot of his material uses the correct tunes, because the originals were identified by the Australian collectors ... and because he remembered quite a lot of it from his stint out here as a young bloke. The only problems were the more obscure songs, many of which had their own peculiar tunes ... or had greatly modified some American or British model. Where Bert didn't know anything of the tune, he felt quite happy to use something familiar out of the British stock ... just as he was doing with old British songs. In this case he would have immediately identified Killaloo because he knew the music hall stuff inside out ... and the published transcriptions of the (simplified) sung versions would have been in the EFDSS library, since we had a reciprocal swap deal on their Sing anmd our Singabout magazines. I do notice a few textual oddities in the Ian Campbell versions above ... but Bert also did a bit of editing ... as did collector /arranger /publishers, such as John Manifold, in Australia. Nobody was being as fussy as the university trained folklorists of today would have liked them to be! Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: greg stephens Date: 15 Sep 02 - 08:17 PM (Think I've just lost a message. If another version appears, that's folk-posting). I have four half-hours of Bert Lloyd Australian folksong radio progs off the BBC(60's I suppose).Dont know if they are all duplicated onLP or Cd, but I could make them available if they are not accessible elsewhere. never realised his tunes werent authentic. His DroversDream is certainly the same as what Bob Bolton posted here in abc(maybe not note for note, I just glanced through). |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Susanne (skw) Date: 15 Sep 02 - 06:39 PM Thanks, Stewie! I should have guessed, for 'tea-tree oil' is big as ecological skin care just now. It's just that I prefer growing old disgracefully ... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: GUEST Date: 14 Sep 02 - 08:17 PM Enjoyed listening to Drover's Dream Emerald Primary School |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Stewie Date: 14 Sep 02 - 07:47 PM Susanne, 'Tea-tree' [the Maquarie Dictionary gives a hyphen, but the word is often seen in print without one] is 'any species of Leptospermum or any of several species of the allied genus Melaleuca'. Found in Australia and NZ, it is often developed as an ornamental with white, pink or red flowers. The oil of the tree is extracted for use as a natural germicide and fungicide. The word is sometimes spelt 'ti-tree' - for example, a town in the Northern Territory is named after it with this spelling. Evidently, the name 'tea-tree' stems from its use as a tea substitute in early colonial days. --Stewie.
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE DROVER'S DREAM From: Susanne (skw) Date: 14 Sep 02 - 05:21 PM These are the lyrics of the Rossavielle version I mentioned above: THE DROVER'S DREAM (Trad) One night when travelling sheep, my companions lay asleep There was not a star illuminate the sky I was dreaming I suppose, for my eyes were partly closed When a very strange procession passed me by First there came a kangaroo with a swag of blankets blue And the dingo ran beside him as his mate They were travelling mighty fast but they shouted as they passed We'll have to jog along, it's getting late
The pelican and the crane they came in from off the plain
The frogs from out the swamp where the atmosphere is damp
Some brolgas darted out from the tea(?) tree all about |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 17 Jan 00 - 10:47 PM G'day Susanne, Reedy River first played in Melbourne (early 1953?) but did not specify what old songs were suitable. It was the Sydney production (from December 1953) that introduced the (Heathcote) Bushwhackers [the prototype of all later bush bands] and put out a songbook (by David Millis and John Meredith) that became the accepted standard. Despite this, the published script gave no songs and suggested that those wishing to perform the play should contact the Bush Music Club (founded in 1954 by members of the Bushwhackers and of the Australian Folklore Society) for suitable songs. The English production probably grabbed whatever they though suited and this was entirely in the "workshop" spirit of the play. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Alan of Australia Date: 17 Jan 00 - 06:54 PM OK, that makes sense.
Cheers, |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Susanne (skw) Date: 17 Jan 00 - 06:34 PM Alan, I meant to post this at the time: Notes from another Ian Campbell Folk Group album say the song featured in the ENGLISH stage version of "Reedy river", mounted by Unity Theatre in the fifties, which may explain why it isn't in your songbook. - Susanne |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 04 Dec 99 - 09:17 AM G'day Alison,
As you will now see, above my last post (hmm ...
This is coming from my home machine, which is a lot more powerful than my work kludge, but I am trialling AOL's100-hour/30-day free trial and their general performance is downright disappointing. I don't think I'n going to stay with them.
Regards,
Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: alison Date: 02 Dec 99 - 09:14 PM Bob, email the MIDI files to Alan or myself... and we'll put them online at Mudcat MIDIs slainte alison |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 02 Dec 99 - 08:01 PM Err G'day even yet again, In the cold light of dawn (well, not too cold ... today is shaping up for 33º C / over 91º in Ark units) I relaise that I ran two names into one. (It was about half past midnight and I had had three attempts at sending on MIDItexts fall over.) I gave one of the 1950s collectors as Nacy Stewart and that should have been Nancy Keesing, who worked with Douglas Stewart on the revision of 'Banjo' Paterson's 1905 book of collected material Old Bush Songs. I'll get out of your way now! Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: Tune Add: KILLALOO From: Bob Bolton (release 1.04) Date: 02 Dec 99 - 08:47 AM Er G'day ... this time I'll get out of your way ... This is the tune to Joe Cashmere's version of the song KILLALOO:
MIDI file: killaloo.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 6/8 36 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
Joe's words described the bloody conflict that results from getting a French teacher into an Irish rural town ... very English Music Hall! Regards, Bob Bolton
miditext link correct Oct 7 '04 - joeclone |
Subject: Tune Add: KILALOE From: Bob Bolton (#3) Date: 02 Dec 99 - 08:44 AM Me again ... This is the tune Sally Sloane played as a schottische - KILALOE (her spelling):
MIDI file: killaloe.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 4/4 24 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
A nice,sprightly dance tune version. Bob B
midtext link corrected Oct 7 '04 - joeclone |
Subject: Tune Add: DROVER'S DREAM From: Bob Bolton Date: 02 Dec 99 - 08:41 AM G'day yet again, I'm having no luck posting these MIDItext files together so now (attempt #3) I'll send them separately! This is the standard, local Drover's Dream (and Woolloomooloo Lair) tune:
MIDI file: drovrs_d.mid Timebase: 240 TimeSig: 6/8 36 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
Regards, Bob Bolton
miditext link corrected Oct 7 '04 - joeclone |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 02 Dec 99 - 08:29 AM G'day again; Susanne (skw): Lloyd came to Australia under one of the Commonwealth experience/ assistance programmes, between the wars ... as a ypung bloke. He worked out on cattle and sheep stations and heard te old songs - but did not collect ... or even note them down. He was not then the folklorist that he became in later life. In the 1950s, working at the EFDSS (English Folk Dance and Song Society) on the Workers' Songs Project, he gained access to the carbon copies of the typed out words of the field-collected material of John Meredith, Nancy Stewart and Russell Ward. Drawing on distant memories of Australia ... and intense experience of British Song ... he recreated the past in the light of his present. Interesting stuff ... but prone to get you into a barney in no time around the local folkies. Regards Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Susanne (skw) Date: 01 Dec 99 - 06:49 PM Thank you, Malcolm - but what about the tune? Is it the original one used in Australia, or an English replacement? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Alan of Australia Date: 01 Dec 99 - 07:22 AM Funny, I'm not aware of the song being in "Reedy River". Certainly not in my copy of the RR song book, but I'm not an expert here.
Cheers, |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Malcolm.Smith@durham.ac.uk Date: 01 Dec 99 - 04:37 AM The Ian Campbell Folk Group Songbook (1965), produced by Sing Productions and published by Heathside Music, London has (unsurprisingly) the version Bill posted. A footnote adds "This song was featured some years ago in the Australian musical play 'Reedy River'. We learned it from the singing of A.L. Lloyd, who says it is very widely known down under." Malcolm. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Susanne (skw) Date: 30 Nov 99 - 07:58 PM Bob, thanks a lot for educating me about the drongo. I'll put your posting in my database! About the tune: Lloyd lived in Australia for years. Didn't he pick up the original tune there? Or maybe he and the people who learned from him use an English tune, and the one used by Rossavielle is 'Killaloo'? It's rather sombre, although the recording itself is very lively. Maybe someone comes across their CD and can let us know. - Susanne |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 30 Nov 99 - 07:52 PM G'day yet again, Oh yes ... Alan: Strictly the tune is derived from, rather exactly the same as Killaloo, certainly not the Killaloo I play as a Schottische tune - a rather brighter and bouncier tune learned from Sally Sloane. I can post a MIIDtext file for each tune if I remember to set them up. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 30 Nov 99 - 08:12 AM G'day Suzanne, The (Spangled) Drongo dicrurus bracteatus is a bird - a largish tropical bird that lives in the coastal forests of the north (Northern Territory and Queensland). It is also an insult for an idiotic person (alledgedly because the Drongo summers in the tropical north ... then flys SOUTH - to the colder regions - in winter). I have not heard the tune used by the Ian Campbell group ... and have heard no other tune in Australia than Killaloo, of which it is a second generation 'parody'. In the sixties, a number of English groups sang collected Australian songs, garnered from material forwarded to the EFDSS as carbon copies of the correspondence between several of the main field collectors. Of course, these had no tunes as they could not afford to send copy tapes. A.L. Lloyd and various friends set them to English tunes - as they were doing with old English songs known only from manuscript sources - and sang them ... to the chagrin of Australian collectors who knew the tunes that they had in this country. I suspect that this would be the case here. I would be interested to see a MIDI of the tune, if someone gets down the dots. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: RoyH (Burl) Date: 30 Nov 99 - 07:44 AM A.L. Lloyd sings this on Topic 12T118,"First Person" a vinyl album circa 1966. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Susanne (skw) Date: 29 Nov 99 - 07:08 PM Australian (?) band Rossavielle sings The Drover's Dream on its album 'Very F. Tricky', but they use a tune totally different from the usual one - the one the Ian Campbell Group use, for instance. Also, they use a slightly different set of lyrics. There is one word I can't make out. Is there an animal called 'drongo' in Australia? The line as I understand it is 'The drongo and the crow sang us songs of long ago'. BTW, I prefer this version to the traditional one. - Susanne |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 29 Nov 99 - 05:55 PM G'day Alan,
Actually, I should have said: The two songs were in successive issues of Singabout (and, I think, I put them on successive pages in my anthology Singabout - Reprints). Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Alan of Australia Date: 29 Nov 99 - 10:28 AM G'day, Since you mentioned the Woolloomooloo Lair Bob, here's a link to an earlier thread where I pointed out that the tune was basically the same as the Drover's Dream. You'll even find a comment from an old friend of yours, Mandola Man.
Cheers, |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Bob Bolton Date: 29 Nov 99 - 06:47 AM G'day all, Of course, the tune is that perennial favourite - used for several other songs in Australia, Killaloo ... probably more an English "Stage Irish" song than a real Irish one, But the Irish have habit other of taking up satirical song and turning them back on the British.
There was a thread on Killaloo some months back. It starts with the words:
Another Australian song - about Larrikins ... street gangs of the late 19th century ... is a more direct parody, starting: The Drover's Dream and Killaloo were both published in Singabout Journal of Australian Folksong in the late 1950s or early 1960s, but versions were known from earlier. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Alan of Australia Date: 28 Nov 99 - 06:10 PM G'day, As Bill suggested, I do indeed know the tune - we sing it often for schoolkids. For the tune in dot format and a set of words more likely to be sung in Oz go to the url provided by Stewie above or just click here
Cheers, |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: coriander Date: 28 Nov 99 - 04:55 PM Thanks everyone! Although I have used Mudcat for lyrics for about a year, this is the first time I have posted a request! If I'd known you were all so quick and knowledgeable, I'd have saved hours of time spent trawling through books in the local library! :0) cheers all, Corinna |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: wildlone Date: 28 Nov 99 - 12:34 PM The Drovers Dream is available on Cd:ESM CD 357. This is a double album containing This is the Ian Campbell folk group and Across the Hills. released by Transatlantic. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Susan of DT Date: 28 Nov 99 - 12:20 PM Also on Ian Campbell Group first record (no subtitle) on elecktra |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Willie-O Date: 28 Nov 99 - 12:18 PM I have somewhere on tape a recording from the radio of O J Abbott singing this song. It's a great one. Mudcat--the place to bring your memory fragments! Bill |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: coriander Date: 28 Nov 99 - 11:08 AM Bill, thanks for the offer, but I think that's what mothers are for - ie teaching you the tune to the songs they stuck in your head that bug you for the rest of your life!!!!! Corinna |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: bill\sables Date: 28 Nov 99 - 06:02 AM Hi Corinna, I can't post tunes but I'm sure Allan of Australia must know the tune and he can post it in ABC If not you could phone me and I could sing the tune into a recorder for you. I have done this for other catters and it seems to work. Cheers Bill |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: coriander Date: 28 Nov 99 - 05:46 AM Thanks Bill! That's the one! All I need now is to learn the tune properly!! cheers corinna |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Drovers Dream From: Stewie Date: 27 Nov 99 - 08:12 PM Tune with minor word changes from Bill's posting is here: http://www.chepd.mq.edu.au/boomerang/songnet/032.html |
Subject: Lyr Add: DROVER'S DREAM From: bill\sables Date: 27 Nov 99 - 06:51 PM Hi Corinna Are these the words you are looking for I was traveling with my sheep and my mates were fast asleep No moon or stars were shining in the sky I was dozing I suppose but my eyes had hardly closed When a very strange procession passed me by First came a kangaroo with his swag of blankets blue He had with him a dingo for a mate They were traveling pretty fast and they shouted as they passed We've got to be getting home it's getting late Then three frogs from out of the swamp where the atmosphere is damp Came up and gently sat down on the stones They unrolled their little swags and took from their dilly bags A fiddle. a banjo and some bones Then a little bandicoot played a tune upon the flute Three koala bears came down and formed a ring And the pelecan and the crane they flew in from the plain And amused the company with a highland fling Then three parrots in their joy sang the Wild Colonial Boy A frilly lizard waltzed round with a smile Then from out the old she oak a laughing jackass spoke And spare me happy days he ran a mile Then the emu standing near with his claw up to his ear Sang Rocked in the Cradle of the Deep I was underneath the cart, the boss woke me with a start Saying Clancy where the hell are the flaming sheep I am not sure who wrote it but I learned it from Ian Campbell in the early sixties. ^^ cheers Bill |
Subject: Drovers Dream From: coriander Date: 27 Nov 99 - 04:56 PM Hello does anyone out there know the words to an Australian folk song called The Drovers Dream? My mum learned it when she was living in Australia years ago, and I remember her singing it, but neither of us can remember the words!! It starts with a line about when I was moving sheep, and I lay down to sleep.... and the next line has something about the stars illuminating the sky... Other than that, I know the drover dreams about animals (!!!!) corinna |
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