Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 05:31 AM

Ralphie. FAF website forum. I agree with your priorities. However, with the best will in the world, Mudcat isn't best placed to moderate the fascist hordes, or control the in-fighting that keeps breaking out among our own side, and is most annoying and counterproductive.

Two possibilities spring to my mind.

1. Could the FAF organisers get someone to moderate a forum for them?

2. If that's not feasible, I wonder if a FAF Yahoo Group, independent of the main organisation but closely reflecting its aims and policies might be a goer? The sort of thing I have in mind is analogous to Tradsong Forum, where one person maintains the TSF website, and someone else runs the Yahoo discussion group. If you've never tried one, Yahoo groups are easily monitored. Plus, the way BNP threads keep breaking out all over Mudcat is starting to worry even me.

Let's see what comes out the FAF site first anyway.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 08:16 PM

Owen. Really don't know if the FaF website will have a forum. Somehow I doubt it. The organisers are really busy people and I think that to moderate a forum would be a bit too much. I'd rather they carried on the organisational work for next years gigs.
But it will hopefully be a useful bookmark to see what is up and coming.
Well, we'll see in a bit won't we!
Anyway there is a FaF group on Face book, where discussions can tale place.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:08 AM

"RB, Joe will demote this thread to BS, if it goes off topic. Have a care.. "
-Crow Sister

Last time I looked Altan were a musical entity, therefore what Richard is saying is within the mandate of this thread, mine wasn't, and for that I do apologise to the thread participants, but racism (sometimes extreme) has been a part of my life, for all of my life.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:52 AM

Ralphie:- Hopefully the (FAF) website should be up and running in a week or so...........

That's excellent news. Any chance we can launch it with one of those tankards of English ale, so beloved of our enemies, and a few appropriate songs?

Seriously, I don't know whether FAF will include a forum. If there is one I trust that it will be very strictly moderated,with no fights, no flame wars, no off-topic postings, nu guests, and no closet fascists.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:53 AM

RB, Joe will demote this thread to BS, if it goes off topic. Have a care..

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:47 AM

Well, there is an August 1997 post by a member Sam Hudson - about Altan.

In 1998 the same member was looking for the words to a song from "the Little Red Songbook".

Not very like the current "Sam" on here, is it?

Moreover, the member Sam made very few posts, which hardly sits very well with the current assertions by him to Mrs Beak stating that Mrs Beak was a noob whereas the member Sam well established.

I wonder if the current user of the BNP's lonely brain cell was using a search function to see what had been said here about the fakebook Sam Hudson, discovered the not-recently-used membership, and decided to see if he could con the 'cat into letting him in as a member.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge elsewhere on his network
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:11 AM

Well, Sam, interesting if true. Now also please tell us why you are seeking information on "Roger the Chorister" from your fakebook nazi cronies - unless it is to threaten?

And why you have recently joined a number of groups such as "I hate Emma B", "Emma B is a lesbian group", why you are a fan of the fake mudcat, why you befriended the fake "Mad Murdoch", "Old Richard" (whoever he is supposed to be) and that strange sax player from St Cloud.

And why you are also conspiring with your nazi cronies to pretend that I sent abusive messages to "Leah Green" (although she appears to welcome them from so many others, including some of quite disturbing appearance)?

Or are you now going to pretend that although you are "Sam Hudson" here you are not "Sam Hudson" there?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Peace
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:48 PM

"By the way, I AM member Sam Hudson, lost password, a few here know me.

Sam"

Why are you stealing identities on Facebook?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Smokey.
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:31 PM

Oh I don't know, Fiddley - swastika armbands with bells attached, tin hats, jackboots, goose-stepping their way through 'The Nuremberg Processional'.. It'd give passers-by something to spit at.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,fiddley
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:32 PM

when there's a BNP Morris side then we're in trouble

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:47 PM

Right, got your message Joe. So as I understand it, you move the goal posts according to the level of pressure from the inner circle, have I got it right ?

So if someone starts a thread about "shoes" and spots a BNP member wearing a similar pair and forty posts later they are still talking about the BNP and nobody is talking about shoes that is acceptable to you ?

By the way, I AM member Sam Hudson, lost password, a few here know me.

Sam

---

Fine, Sam. E-mail me and request your password, giving me the e-mail address you used when you signed up - and then log in to reset your cookie. Otherwise, all of your posts will continue to be under strict scrutiny, and you will continue to be considered an Unwelcome and Uninvited Guest. Please address this issue by private discussion with me in e-mail - NOT in the Forum.
-Joe Offer-
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:22 PM

'pot'?

calling kettle?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,Sam
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:21 PM

Joe, there are currently three BNP threads up here at present, two below the line and one above, this one (Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth has turned into another). If you read the comments (today) you will see that the troll that arrived here last month is stirring the pot on all of them.

Please keep to your word and place a limit of only one at a time. You do recall saying that ?

Thanks

Sam

---

Sam, you are not a registered or identified member of Mudcat, and you have no status here. You are not welcome here - you are merely tolerated, and you are being closely watched. We do not allow discussion of Mudcat editing policy in threads, and you have violated that prohibition several times today. If you wish to discuss Mudcat editing, contact me by e-mail, [e-mail].
What I said was that we would allow one thread discussing the BNP to be active at a time. However, I said we will also allow separate threads for events, such as this one discussing the Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth. As has been recognized by some posters, the discussion is curtailed when it moves away from discussion of the event.
But that is of no concern to you, since you are merely an uninvited and unwelcome guest here, and you have not even done us the courtesy of telling us who you really are.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Flashmeister
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 05:22 PM

To stay somewhat on topic (!) I'm getting a little crew together to start making motions to host a Luton FaF event and get that sorted so hopefully that'll come together nicely in time for the April/May event calender.
Anyone in the Beds, Herts, Bucks area who wants to get involved PM me (And no, I will not be entertaining nor rising to the feeble bait of BNP apologists or crypto-fascist trolls via PM :-) thank you)
Also as an aside i feel it is pretty important to make our voices heard that the attempted infiltration and hijacking of trad events and music will not be tolerated. I for one will do my level best to counter any BNP nonsense and personally find that posters like 'Sam' read very much like a propaganda leaflet so I when they crop up in threads I 'virtually' screw it up and throw it away like i would teh paper copy )paper BNP leaflets are second to none for scooping cat shit out of the flower beds i find!!)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 02:45 PM

"So let's keep this thread rolling (rocking too!) for information about gigs, events or music discussion"
- Emma B.

The forth-coming website will in all likelyhood provide all the aforementioned information, thus, eventually, making this thread redundant.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 02:40 PM

Of course this thread should stay above the line. In fact it probably is the most important music thread of all.
Thats not disparaging all the threads on instruments, song roots, and other fascinating information, but, the insidious rise of misplaced nationalism is a real threat to us all.
And, the wilful theft and misrepresentation of artists work (and I include other genres, ie. Rock, etc, in this) against their will, cannot be tolerated.
Hopefully the website should be up and running in a week or so, and no doubt Ms Archer will let us know when it is.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 01:54 PM

'This from the Home Affairs Desk of the BBC:
Racists kidnapped Muslim leader'

This news item was already reported in some detail at 07:31 AM (mudcat time) this morning in an appropiate thread in the BS section

- I agree that this thread should be kept for discussions about music or the demands, by some, for it to be delegated to BS will appear to have validity.

It's not just folk performers who have been usurped by the BNP however.

The Love Music Hate Racism campaign grew out of the Rock against Racism movement and shows what our record shops might look like if the racists got their way on you tube

Blur and Pink Floyd are among musicians demanding the British National Party stops selling their music to raise campaign funds.

The BNP's commercial partner, Excalibur, sells a range of compilation CDs with titles such as Proud Heritage, Rule Britannia and The White Cliffs of Dover

And meanwhile, 'the BNP blow tens of thousands of pounds of BNP members donations renting, equipping and staffing the studio that the BNP set-up to record music for a risible BNP front called (as if to willingly confirm that the BNP are sharks) Great White Records. GWR produces 3rd rate volk songs by BNP chairman Nick Griffin and pours BNP money into propping-up the walking PR disaster known as BNP pop "star" Joey Smith (aka failed BNP Dewsbury election candidate Joseph Barber).'

- because it recognizes the power of music and song
So let's keep this thread rolling (rocking too!) for information about gigs, events or music discussion

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,JaneB
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 01:16 PM

I was at Sidmouth and went to the launch, which I thought was great. I was expecting the speeches first, just like Mr Harris. But I thought that was because I am, even worse than an ageing hippie, a red nappy baby(US usage red-diaper). The left also has its traditions, some of which are boring and alienating. Why not try doing it differently for once? The point was not for folk music to single-handedly defeat the fascist hordes but to make it clear that we will not let the BNP sing, dance or speak claiming it is in our name.
On a slightly separate tack, thinking about how to counterxenophobia in folk music while preserving and developing music in the folk idiom, perhaps it is time to challenge the Ewan McColl dictum that you should only sing the music of your own country. (He notably failed to follow his own advice). Dogan Mehmet shows how Turkish tunes can revitalise English music (and for all I know English tunes revitalise Turkish ones). Perhaps we should be on the look out for non-English folk musicians to invite to our clubs and events. Some of us might consciously include the odd "foreign" folk song in our sets. Last week at Bodmin Folk Club the evening concluded with 2 Londoners, a Scot and an Ulster-man joining a "Proper Cornish" couple to sing a Cornish anthem. It was done quite unself-consciously but made an interesting point. Trouble is African music is, musically too difficult for me, better brush up on my Japanese:) Jane B

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:55 PM

True, but this thread started out about what FaF has been doing, but now it is duplicating the discussing and arguments in the other two threads, and if it gets booted down to BS then things like Sam/Realist and his/her BNP cronies will have succeeded in marginalising what FaF is achieving.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:39 PM

"Please keep the politics in the BS threads"
- SPB-Cooperator
the one is inter-twined with the other, it was politics that led to the music that led to the creation of FaF in the first place.

Please pay attention in future.

Charlotte Olivia Robertson
Uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:35 PM

Please keep the politics in the BS threads and keep this one for FaF events. gigs, promotion, and music issues so that this important subject doesn't get bumped down below the line.

BTW are any FaF gigs or events in the pipeline?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:22 PM

This from the Home Affairs Desk of the BBC:
Racists kidnapped Muslim leader
and the quote from Councillor Pat Richardson, leader of the BNP group on Epping Forest District Council,

She said: "It's terrible, I don't agree with these illegal actions. I must say the BNP has no link to the incident.

and the moon is made from green cheese eh Pat?

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Uppity "Indian" chick

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:03 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership
From: GUEST,Sam - PM
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:34 AM

Joe Offer made it VERY CLEAR there would only be ONE BNP thread on mudcat, currently there are THREE (including Richard's ego driven paraniod one). Would someone please remove two as Joe requested.

Thank you

What's the matter, dearie, feeling a wee bit insecure, are we, with all the justified attacks on your racist, anti-semetic, homophobic friends?
Well, you know what? That's just TOO bad, if you don't like it, go away!

Stand and Be Counted!
Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)
Uppity "Indian"

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:20 PM

After receiving the said email I remembered that I have an old and unused Facebook account. I've just de-activated it and suggest anybody who gets a "friendship" message from someone like that should do the same.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Peace
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:15 PM

The BNP are assholes.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:06 PM

well, well, well, our mystery friend (not really a friend) has surfaced again has he? Does this person have NO shame? (silly question really). An attempt at divide and conquer? (nope, Sam H doesn't have brains for that

Just plain peculiar? That's probably as close as it gets, Fred.

Ralph, I'm glad we finally have all this sorted out *LOL*

Stand and be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

the BNP are not my friends

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:51 PM

Guess what folks. I've just had a request from Facebook informing me that one Sam Hudson, member of the British National Party, wants to add me as a friend.

Sam, I've got some very peculiar friends but none as peculiar as you.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:24 PM

Bit of Angle..Smidge of Saxon..
Maybe in the mists of time a Hun or two? (Maybe a Goth...or indeed a Visigoth!)
Probably some Frenchy Norman stuff.
Deffo on the Celt Side...Grandfather
from Cork.
Hope there is a bit of Scandiwegian in there. (It would account for my musical proclivities)
No hint of Welsh though...Ho Hum. Can't win them all.
Bah Humbug.....not a Gerbil in sight!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:24 PM

Did anyone see This I mean where does it all stop?

Stand be Counted!
Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:10 PM

......my dad was born England, of a Welsh father and a Scots mother hence my quarter and quarter....
Now back to our regular scheduled programming

Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 01:40 PM

And then there was "Dad's from England" - made up another half so that's three halves!!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 01:14 PM

I'm one quarter Welsh, one quarter Scots = one half
and half Mohawk = the other half

equals

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

"Ok Charlie.....(can I call you Charlie?)
Yes you can, everyone else does (my kids call me a proper charlie, sometimes *LOL*

now will someone please pick Ralph up...wait! that didn't come out right *LOL*

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 01:06 PM

Mrs Beak - having stood up to count and taken off my socks, I made that three halves to your ancestry. Confusing!

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 12:12 PM

Now this is interesting reading:

The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party

warning: turn on your pop up blocker for this site, I was cascaded with pop up ads when I opened it.

Stand and be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:55 AM

"The BNP are racist, anti-semetic, homophobic (wonder how many closeted cases there are in the BNP?)"

Ollie. I was just wondering that myself. Whilst I am totally opposed to homophobia, even when applied to gay members of the far right, I'm beginning to wonder if the BNP ever came to power, whether it would end up exterminating a large segment of its own membership.

First of all, it's well known that Martin Webster - not a BNP member, granted, but the one time second in command of the National Front - is gay. It's also well known that he claims to have had a gay relationship with Nick Griffin. Griffin denies it of course, but he would wouldn't he.

Then I was reading a BBC news report a while ago about an MI5 mole who managed to infiltrate the National Front. According to the report, homosexuality is extremely prevalent among the far right, and said mole got a lot of his intelligence by sleeping with male fascists.

Then just yesterday I learned that Eoghan O'Duffy, pre-war leader of the Irish blueshirt fascist movement was also a closet homosexual.

None of this is very conclusive of course. But in the cases of Webster and O'Duffy and any others like them, could it be that that their identification with fascism has some psychological derivation from their homosexuality?

IE., I'm wondering if such indivduals turn to fascism as a way of overcompensating for their self perceived failure to measure up to what they regard as 'normal' standards of decency.

BTW., a chilling note. Although the Third Reich ended up exterminating between ten and fifteen thousand homosexuals, official policy was to quote "re-educate" them. BNP policy is to quote "reform" homosexuals and the congenitally disabled. Reforming with a gas chamber, I rather think.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:50 AM

Ok Charlie.....(can I call you Charlie?)
Standing Up.....
Ready to be counted. Here we go....

ONE.

Oh I've just fallen over!
(didn't hurt much!)
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:44 AM

and a pleasure to meet you too Ralph!! :-)

and just too REALLY annoy the BNP *LOL*, I'm one quarter Welsh, one quarter Scots and half Mohawk, though I get skin and hair colouring from my late mother, Dad's from England.

You're right, Ralph, skin colouring, ethic background etc...isn't the point, it's basically are we all decent people, and for the most part, here on Mudcat, we are just that.

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms0

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:30 AM

Hey Ms Robertson..
Until your last post I hadn't even considered what your skin colour might be!!
You have just come across as a decent person..!
And you continue to do so...
Isn't that the point? It's not how someone looks it's what they say.
Pleasure to know you.
Ralph (Oh, I'm white, just to clear the air !!!!!)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:13 AM

"It has nothing to do with discrimination; it's all to do with internal politicking"
- Lee Barnes, BNP, on theEquality and Human Rights commission's legal action

Really? And just how stupid does Lee Barnes think we are?

Is me stating that my skin colour is not white and my ethic group is not Anglo-Saxon politicing or simply stating the facts?

The BNP are racist, anti-semetic, homophobic (wonder how many closeted cases there are in the BNP?) and a whole lot more. That's not politicing, thems the facts Jack! It's that simple.

Stand and Be Counted!

Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 09:07 AM

BNP usage of the word folk is just one disturbing straw in the wind, regarding their Nazi afilliations. At the core of Hitler's Germany was the idea that purification of the German nation did not just entail purging the country of all those elements which were considered non-Aryan. It also entailed a return to its 'healthy' peasant roots. A return to the roots meant a return to the volksgemeinschaft or folk community.

As with so many other pieces of Nazi terminology, British fascists merely anglicised the term when incorporating it into their own belief system.

If anyone tells you the BNP are not Nazis, they are either liars or misinformed.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 08:46 AM

I do not want to do more than I have done to identify my friend in question. Yes I got a reason. No I did not think a lot of it.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: dj bass
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 08:12 AM

In addition to their misappropriation of folk music, the BNP membership rules are riddled with the word "folk". See this BBC article on legal action against the BNP. What the hell are "the Anglo-Saxon folk community" for example?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Stower
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 07:54 AM

Richard, did you ask why he refused? I'm wondering if there could be a legitimate reason that doesn't suggest he's *for* fascism (though I can't think of one now. Maybe, from a business point of view, he doesn't want to put off paying punters that he thinks may support the BNP? - which is still indefensible, in my view.) Would his answer make a difference?

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: jeddy
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 09:15 PM

i intend to try too richard, when the leaflets and posters come out. i really hope i have more luck. it was very iresponsible for your friend to refuse. please try again, he might have just been in a bad mood, or in the middle of something?

take care all

jade x x x x

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 05:34 PM

I am disturbed and disappointed that I recently suggested to the organiser of an event that he should display the "Folk against Fascism" banner, only to have him refuse. It is a shame that friends of mine have been booked to play and I should probably have liked to go to see them.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Stower
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 12:54 PM

I have just discovered, via this page, that the BNP are not only planning to worm their way into the folk world but also into the trade union movement.

We should all beware.

In the light of recent developments, it will be interesting to see if they try to make 'Solidarity' (ironic name, given what their Polish namesake stood for) a whites-only union, and whether that will stand up legally.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 02:19 PM

They're five feet two and they are six feet four
He's all of 31 and he's only 17
They've been English for a thousand years

They're Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, atheist, Jain,
Buddhist, Baptists and Jews
They have always been here
and they know they always will
They are you, my friends and me

They've come from Canada,
They've come from France,
and even from the USA,
They've come from Russia
They've come from Japan,
Together we can put an
end to BNP ways

(with apologies to Buffy Saint Marie)

Olivia Beak (Ms)

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:41 AM

sigh, once again an anoymous troll disrupts a thread - no doubt in another attempt to get an important topic relegated to BS.

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:35 AM

Hope Not Hate exposes BNP terrorists

Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 06:33 AM

Searchlight exposes racial terrorism link in the BNP

"Fifteen years ago South Africa was in the process of dismantling apartheid.

The white supremacists of the terrorist Afrikaner Weerstand Beweging (AWB) were trying to prevent the move towards majority rule and to restore the racist system.

Three men had planted a home-made bomb at the Calvary Church School in protest against the school's decision to become racially mixed.

When the bomb failed to go off, one of them lost his nerve, gave himself up to the police and turned in his two associates, one of which was Nieuwhof.

At the end of the resulting court case he received what Searchlight claims was a derisory 12-month suspended prison sentence.

Leaving South Africa Nieuwhof set off for Britain, where he came into contact with Arthur Kemp, another South African extremist exile, who had been arrested for the murder of Chris Hani, a close colleague of Nelson Mandela, in April 1993 but released without charge.

Kemp had been named by Clive Derby-Lewis, a far-right South African MP who is now serving life imprisonment for setting up Hani's murder, as the author of a hit list of prominent anti-apartheid leaders.

Kemp too has become influential in the BNP. His articles appear on the BNP website and his 586-page tome March of the Titans comes highly recommended on the BNP's booklist."