Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Ringer
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 12:54 PM

Everyone else has a bias; Big Mick only has objective truth?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 12:41 PM

Sorry Tim, but the facts coming out now show that it was the BA that precipitated the problem and initiated the firing. Get the facts right, please, as best as can be done. That is based on the testimony of the soldiers present. While I tire of uninformed, or propaganda posting such as saoirse's, I will not allow statements such as yours to go unanswered either. To suggest that that the Catholics in the North don't need protection is ludicrous. Just watch the activities around Catholic Churches on 12 July and then post. As far as our friend from Galway, I find your response to be typical of Irish people who have never lived in the North, for whom anti-Catholic bias is something they read about in the papers, and who have no more right to comment than the "little plastic Paddies" that they so disdain. I do agree with her that the solution may very well lie in The North of Ireland being a separate and unique state, but the people that live there will determine that. My guess, based on her "Trad Music" signing of her name is that she doesn't consider the songs of rebellion to be part of the tradition. As another Galway man who greatly influenced my life said, "How can these people claim to love Irish Traditional music, and ignore the 800 years of history that shaped it? Irish Rebel music is one of the forms of the Irish Musical Tradition." He was born and raised in Galway. Point of the rant? To simply point out that your biases show clearly and they are just as wrong as those you rant against.

Mick

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Big Tim
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 10:26 AM

The reality of political terrorism was brought home to me in Donegal a few years ago when my mother, rather proudly it must be admitted as many of our family and neighbours had fought in the "old" IRA, told me "there's wee Tony, he's an IRA man, he could have you shot". And why? For daring to disagree with his interpretation of Irish history. That old propaganda about the IRA "defending the Catholics of the North" is nonsense. The BA (British Army) was sent in to do that job in 1969 and, cynically, the IRA fired on them, precipitating a needless 30 years of conflict. However I do appreciate that Irish history is complex and that hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: GUEST,Victoria McDonnell
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 10:19 AM

I find it laughable that most people who rant on about the IRA and other random Irish politics have never lived here and know very little about what kind of effect the groups in the North have on the daily lives of people from both religions and backgrounds. I have a feeling this little guest is a Plastic Paddy with too much time and too many fiction novels. I don't want the united counties, we can't afford to "own" the North and really don't want it. The people there now are a country of their own, hardly completely English or Irish at all and should probably better left to their *own* devices.

Victoria McDonnell Galway, Ireland Lover of Trad.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From:
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 10:11 AM

I think people have a perfect right to use caps on the net or not. Some have arthritis, some have visual problems, some might prefer it for whatever reason. That "shouting" bit is fairly new and of all the things to worry about in this world, it seems that should be low on the list. mg

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: wes.w
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 08:38 AM

The McPeake family agreed to teach music in the local community as long as there were no sectarian threats or pressure of any kind on the kids who came. That would be a good maxim for this site too.
Unfortunately, fanatics think they can win, and then delude themselves that they have, by shouting cant phrases. Sad, isn't it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Wolfgang
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 04:37 AM

Big Tim's wish has been formulated in another thread this way:

There's no such thing as decommissioning until the Wolfe Tones hand up their instruments!!

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Big Tim
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 04:18 AM

It's time the Wolfetones, like the so-called RA, retired.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: alison
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 12:51 AM

here are some of the old threads you might like to look through

back home in derry

My little armalite

orange sing-a-long, no surrender

today in irelands history 1 & 2

lots of passionate... and not always pleasant views...

and there are many similar threads

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: alison
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 12:43 AM

Saoirse,

people know who they are, we have had many discussions and arguements here, and please bear in mind that there are many who do not support your views, especially when they are shouted... (using caps on the net is considered shouting.)

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 09:24 PM

Celtic Symphony - Wolfe Tones - Lyrics??

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: GUEST,Tone d'F
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 07:38 PM

No need to shout

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 05:16 PM

Political propaganda here is just more trash.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: GUEST,saoirse
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 02:22 PM

"up the ra" THE R.A IS THE I.R.A ,THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY FOR SORT.THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 100 YEARS OR SO THEY ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE CATHOLIC COMMUNITIES IN THE NORTH OF IRELAND FROM THE BRITISH ARMY AND LOYALIST PARAMILITARIES.THE ARE ALSO THERE TO RID IRELAND AS A WHOLE(32 COUNTIES)OF THE ENGLISH

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: paddymac
Date: 17 Nov 99 - 10:24 AM

Wild Colonial Boy, methinks you did exactly that!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Marki
Date: 16 Nov 99 - 06:34 PM

Jack:

Regarding Celtic Symphony.... I recall there being a detailed discussion about a month ago on that song. Everything was explained. Like what the song is ACTUALLY about, and what all the seemingly odd references mean. Sorry I don't know exactly when this was discussed....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Ferret
Date: 16 Nov 99 - 07:31 AM

thank to all all the best ferret

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Jackdougan
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 06:23 PM

So then, anybody know why the Wolfe Tones threw "up the RA's" into "Celtic Symphony"? Or did I just answer my own question?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Brakn
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 07:43 AM

RA = Republican Army
RAS = Members of the Republican Army

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From:
Date: 31 Oct 99 - 01:50 AM

That's because "The Razzers", "Ras", however, it wishes to be spelt, or indeed pronounced, are the cops! Take it easy, Brendy

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Ferret
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 10:39 AM

Well that is what I throat at first but as both I.R.A. and RAS, or RA, seem to be kept very separate in the one song, I was not so shore All the best ferret

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Clifton53
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 10:25 AM

I'm no Irish scholar there Ferret, but I think it is "up the I.R.A.", meaning to "up" them,that is, back them, support them etc. Anyone else??

Subject: Query: Irish Rebel Songs
From: Ferret
Date: 30 Oct 99 - 10:09 AM

In a number of Irish rebel songs I have herd is a line 'up the RAS or RA Can any one tell me what this means please? all the best ferret