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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Aug 02 - 09:04 PM Trevor, I liked your list of Greek dishes. The names are "so near and yet so far." Don, too bad about the grasshoppers.
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Don Firth Date: 21 Aug 02 - 01:44 PM Once years ago, while rummaging around an hors d'oeuvre tray one evening, I went through a whole tin of fried grasshoppers before I found out what they were. (I really must learn to proof-read more carefully. That should read "pantry." But then, who really knows where a shepherd keeps his spices?) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Aug 02 - 10:17 AM "I have often wondered about the US aversion to eating offal." What's to wonder? No, seriously, we all like to eat what's familiar. Consider the Australian aborigines, who eat (or used to eat) giant earthworms. How many of us could do that? I do wonder how many cocktails that senior California banker had had before the luncheon. Walking out on someone's hospitality is inexcusable. Anyway, everybody knows that vegetables are there to hid pieces of liver under. I am still waiting to hear how to make Pan Haggelty from Cornwall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,Gill Moulding Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:44 AM That should read flat - i have a typing problem! |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,Gill Moulding Date: 21 Aug 02 - 08:41 AM In Northumberland we have the delights of Singing Hinnies so called because they sing as they are cooked on a girdle on top of the cooker (or fire originally) and yes it is called a girdle not a griddle. The other delicacy is Stotty Bread - a falt round loaf cooked on the bottom shelf of the oven. Both delicious |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,Lanfranc at the orifice Date: 21 Aug 02 - 06:28 AM The tune "Out of Town", mentioned in the context of the "School Dinner Song", was also a hit for Max Bygraves in the 50s and was featured in a film called Charlie something-or-other which I remember vaguely from the same era. (Just to bring a musical note to these epicurean discussions) I have often wondered about the US aversion to eating offal. I once had a very senior Californian banker walk out on a business lunch when calves liver was served! Silly fellow! It was delicious, as are sauteed sweetbreads (lamb's pancreas), devilled kidneys and heart curry. Alan |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Trevor Date: 21 Aug 02 - 05:46 AM I've had a few giggles at Greek menus over the years.
Frigid Squid (frozen I think) |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Mr Happy Date: 21 Aug 02 - 03:41 AM 'then they ordered their bottles'o beer and pints o'sherry, which carried them off to the cemetery, and that is where they are all buried, when peculiar ale was new me boys, when peculiar ale was new' kipper family |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 21 Aug 02 - 01:17 AM Lucy: I like the sound of Pan Haggelty. How is it made? Artbrooks: No, I am not under the delusion that English spelling makes sense. Only that people do, or usually do. Today I cooked a sort of tart for dessert. I combined a fussy French recipe with one remembered from a magazine. I sliced up two nectarines and mixed in some apricot butter. Then I rolled out some nice, buttery pastry dough (that was the French part.) I plopped the nectarines onto the dough and flipped whatever pastry didn't go under onto the top of the them. Note that the pastry didn't have to be round or tidy in shape. (That was the part from the magazine.) Then I baked it, first at 375 for 25 minutes, and when it didn't look done enough, at 400 for 10 more. Now I'm searching for a name for it. Flippant tart? Nonchalant tart? Slap-a-daisy? It was good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Bert Date: 20 Aug 02 - 10:28 PM I'm surprised that Kendall hasn't contributed with Moose Turd Pie! |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: artbrooks Date: 20 Aug 02 - 08:12 PM GUEST,leeneia, are you somehow under the delusion that English language spelling makes sense or that it follows its own rules? |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Yorkshire Tony Date: 20 Aug 02 - 07:14 PM One thing I miss since moving to the antipodes is real cheese. Does anyone know if the shop at the back of Keighley market still sells the strong Lancashire which could kill a mammoth at twenty paces? We had a few favourite names based on what could be done to a blackboard menu in the Uni refectory. Apple harlots and stewed teak are all I can think of at the moment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: John MacKenzie Date: 20 Aug 02 - 05:20 PM Devils on horseback. Upside down cake. Yorkshire curd tart, forever known in my house as turd cart. Death by chocolate? Calories, twas only for calories Our belts were broken And bellies are worn so low I never used to have mammeries But now they've appeared on me With every sweet bite, she has given to me. Cholesterol! what cholesterol?......Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,Souter Date: 20 Aug 02 - 04:41 PM Sorry, walrus. but you're wrong. It's fairly well established that the name "hot dog" came from a cartoon on the subject in the early years of the last century. Most people called them Red Hots. A man drew a cartoon with the Red Hot as a Dauschund, and the caption "Get your red hot dacuschund dogs!". The name Hot Dog stuck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: MudGuard Date: 20 Aug 02 - 03:50 PM Gareth, you must be drunk! Toad in the hole was mentioned in the starting post of this thread... ;-) Greetings to Wales! MudGuard/Andy |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Gareth Date: 20 Aug 02 - 03:45 PM I am surprised that no one has mentioned "Toad in the Hole" - Sauseges baked in an open dish surrounded by a batter mix Yorkshire podding. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Mr Red Date: 20 Aug 02 - 02:52 PM Sorry to by-pass all the drift and mention missionary cake. maids of honour? |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Hawker Date: 20 Aug 02 - 02:45 PM From Cornwall there is also the beloved 'Tiddy Oggie' - known to non-locals as the Pasty! Nobody has been brave enough to mention tripe and cow heel yet, and what about lights and sweetmeats? For Christmas, one could always feast on the Boards Headand one of my favourite potato dishes is Pan Haggelty (haggerty and various other speellinks depending on where yas comin from) Cheers, Lucy |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: DMcG Date: 20 Aug 02 - 02:11 PM "Consider the following list: forgery, Margery, debauchery, cemetery". This is a little known parable in minimal form. After committing forgery you become very attractive to certain types of females (the gold-digger kind) personified here by Margery. Debauchery and the cemetery are, I am afraid, the consequence. And cemetery fits perfectly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 20 Aug 02 - 01:34 PM What do you mean by asking what's the problem, MudGuard? There is no problem. There doesn't always have to be a problem, you know. Here people are just sharing jokes and memories. ----------------------- I have been ruminating on the spelling of cemetery. It occurs to me that it is spelled wrong in the dictionary. After all, dictionary makers are not infallible. If you want to keep the last e, then it ought to have two r's. Like this: cemeterry. This would be analogous to derry, ferry, Kerry, Terry, etc. Anyway, the cemetery spelling obviously isn't right. Consider the following list: forgery, Margery, debauchery, cemetery. Clearly "cemetery" doesn't fit. No doubt someone will post a post saying that cemetery is derived from the Medieval Latin "cemetererere," meaning to put someone under the cement, but I'm not buying that. The Medieval Latins are long dead, and their spelling was never reliable, anyway. ---------------- Thanks, everybody, for protecting me, who started this thread, from people like Ewan who wanted to turn it into a flaming situation.
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: MudGuard Date: 20 Aug 02 - 11:54 AM What is the problem? Worse than giving horrible names to food stuff is what is done in the United States: there horrible stuff is called food (e.g. whatever comes out of McDonalds, Burger King, ...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,nobby Date: 20 Aug 02 - 11:39 AM yeah your are right we went too far when we crossed the Atlantic. But the sensible ones came back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: RolyH Date: 20 Aug 02 - 10:44 AM Stargazy Pie A pie made from pilchards,herrings or sardines with the heads left on, looking out from under the crust.Its too sad to eat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: AggieD Date: 20 Aug 02 - 10:43 AM Ok you all you from the other side of the pond, what about Hush Puppies? I thought they were a brand of shoes until I visited North Carolina. In my humble opinion French 'cuisine' leaves much to be desired. On our recent trip to Paris we ate more Italian food than French (better food, friendlier service with a smile...etc.) AggieD |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: The Walrus at work Date: 20 Aug 02 - 08:46 AM Lanfranc,
"...Say what you will, school dinners make you ill artbrooks,
".... Frankfurters (more commonly known as hot dogs) contain neither franks or dogs...beef and pork are most common..." regards Walrus |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: harvey andrews Date: 20 Aug 02 - 08:28 AM Ah, faggots and peas..another great Black Country delicacy to follow the grorty dick!!! There's a Black Country pub that does Desperate Dan pies, complete with cowhorns on the pastry crust. They're huge and if you manage to finish one you get a special badge. I took three friends along and we emerged badgeless, but heavier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,Gurney Date: 20 Aug 02 - 07:53 AM I just remembered another staunch Pommie food whose title should amuse Americans. Faggots. Balls of highly spiced sausagemeat. Wassail. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Yorkshire Tony Date: 19 Aug 02 - 11:19 PM The shepherd's pie I remember was always made with leftover roast lamb (or mutton). I remember a part of a rhyme from my grandmother: Roast on Sunday, cold on Monday, shepherd's pie Tuesday.. Does anyone know the rest? |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: dodgy bird Date: 19 Aug 02 - 08:38 PM my experience is that if your from yorkshire then shepherds pie is made with minced beef anywhere else it is made with lamb although as stated earlier it is correct that shepherds pie is traditionally lamb and cottage pie is beef! |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: robomatic Date: 19 Aug 02 - 08:22 PM Military addenda from the Civil War (U.S.) 'hardtack' a kind of dry hard biscuit for ship service and distribution to the embattled ranks. A more tender version survives and is popular in the here & now in 'laska as 'Pilot Bread': Pvt. Right: "Drat and Tarnation, I just took a bite out of my hardtack and I found a soft spot!" Pvt. Left: "What was it, a worm?" Pvt. Right: "No, dammit, a &*^%%#@ nail!" robo |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Lanfranc Date: 19 Aug 02 - 07:34 PM I hear that teenaged boys can be pleasant, too, Liz, though I've never tried one! Alan |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Aug 02 - 07:24 PM Substitute Dr Whites for Tampax and you have it..... What pleasant creatures teenaged girls are..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Lanfranc Date: 19 Aug 02 - 07:16 PM To follow on from LtS's earlier contribution, at my school (which shall be nameless!), jam roly poly was often referred to as "Dr White's Pudding". Nuff said!
"Say what you will, school dinners make you ill (I've often wondered whether that last bit inspired the similar lines in the Beatles "I am the Walrus") Come to think about it, that little doggerel is as dating as a bristle cone pine! Alan
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: artbrooks Date: 19 Aug 02 - 06:43 PM In the States, hamburger is, by definition, made from 100% ground beef. The derivation is supposed to be the city in Germany, not the similar sounding pig byproduct. Frankfurters (more commonly known as hot dogs) contain neither franks or dogs...beef and pork are most common, with turkey and/or chicken available for the health-conscious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,Just Amy Date: 19 Aug 02 - 06:35 PM The way we make a Monte Cristo is ham, turkey and swiss cheese in white bread covered with milk and egg and deep fat fried (like French Toast) and served with strawberry preserves on top. They make the best ones at the restaurant in Disneyland that is next to Pirates of the Caribbean. The definition of S'Mores above is right on except they are the best tasting dessert in the world. We always had shephard's pie on Monday because it was the leftovers from Sunday dinner: Lamb, peas, carrots, and gravy covered over with smashed potatoes on top and baked in the oven. Shoo fly pie even has a song written about it - "Shoo fly pie and apple pan dowdy make your eyes light up, your tummy say howdy." |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,John from ull Date: 19 Aug 02 - 05:53 PM I used to live oppersit a cemetry, but i moved.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Crane Driver Date: 19 Aug 02 - 05:35 PM BTW - is it true that in the States you can get prosecuted for selling hamburgers that aren't made with ham, despite the name coming from the German city of Hamburg, where the recipe originated? Presumably your frankfurters contain real franks? I don't want to know about your spagetti bolognaise! Andrew (who can't spell cemitury ither) |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Aug 02 - 05:05 PM Black bun |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 19 Aug 02 - 12:59 PM Hot Cross Buns.. Bert I like the stodge - sounds nice - btw Poke SalaT not Salad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 19 Aug 02 - 12:08 PM When I was just a tad, in the late 30s and early 40s, what we called "creamed dried beef on toast" was a great favorite at our house. Salty, salty, salty! I learned later that some called it "Shit on a shingle". Fast forward to the 50s, in the army. What the mess cooks (adjective accurately assigned) produced, in army language "shit on a shingle", was not the same. It was merely ground beef in a white sauce on bread, or maybe toast, and had essentially no flavor, salty or otherwise. Not really BAD, but not good either. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: GUEST,Pete Date: 19 Aug 02 - 10:49 AM Lets get the French involved.Do they still sell a fizzy drink called Pshitt.Not sure about the spelling but absolutely certain about the pronunciation |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Snuffy Date: 19 Aug 02 - 09:19 AM It's only Shepherd's Pie if you use what the EU refers to as "Sheepmeat". If you use any other meat, then it's Cottage Pie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: gnomad Date: 19 Aug 02 - 07:05 AM Resurection Pie = any old leftover meat, topped with mash in the manner of shepherds pie. Fly cemetery = currants&sugar turned into a fruit slice with pastry top&bottom. Squashed fly biscuit = Garibaldi Dog in a blanket = sultanas/raisins given the fly cemetery treatment. Bangers & train smash = sausage & tinned (canned) tomato or spaghetti in tomato sauce. All these were common names in my upbringing, they tasted none the worse for the strange names. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: IanC Date: 19 Aug 02 - 05:09 AM Fly Cemetery (aka "Dead Fly Pie") is a fruit slice - pastry top and bottom and a general mishmash of dried fruit and goo in the middle (currants, raisins, etc. usually glued together with apple gunge). It's available in one form or another in most bakeries or teashops in England (and in The Ulster Museum in Belfast), but I've only really heard it called that regularly by Cambridgeshire people (where I was brought up).
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: HuwG Date: 19 Aug 02 - 05:05 AM In all the military names for shipboard or field rations, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned "Train smash". This is food prepared in the rain by cursing Quartermaster-Sergeants and unwilling assistants at 0500 hours (more commonly referred to as "Oh-f*** hundred", or perhaps 0600, otherwise "Oh-s*** hundred") for four score or more soldiers to eat in a hurry. The ingredients are: fried eggs (runny), fried tomatoes (red and very runny) and baked beans, all served in one mess tin. Two unbuttered slices of bread were provided to mop up.
If this sort of catering wasn't available, the alternatives came from "rat-packs" (ration packs). Bacon-burgers (about 50% grease or fat), dog biscuits (otherwise known as oatmeal blocks), "cheese posessed" (processed cheese) are some of the delicacies I remember.
PS I can spell "cemetery" - G-R-A-V-E-Y-A-R-D. Easy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Trevor Date: 19 Aug 02 - 04:35 AM Anybody ever had four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie? We used to call Eccles cakes Flies Graveyards as well. Anyway you flat-capped whippet chasers, you gave the world Uncle Joe's Mint Balls (give 'em to yer grannie)! Now there's something to be proud of. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Aug 02 - 02:36 AM "average shepherds panty." Well, my great grandfather was a shepherd and he never kept spices of any sort, but then he didn't wear panties... as far as I know, he was a traditional commando and Y front sort of man (well he was born in 1882). I went to an all girls school, spunk pud was pretty tame compared with some of them... the jam roly poly was called something you REALLY don't want to know..... Whilst in Belgium I picked up a box of cookies (or kocken as it said on the box - presumably Flemish for cookie), called Plop. They're rather nice but the name (and the distressingly Smurf like creature with pants on its head that appears on the labels) is a tad offputting but I think Plop Kocken could be a medical term... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Jimmy C Date: 19 Aug 02 - 01:11 AM I had never heard of Fly Cemeteries but I know about Eccles Cakes. In fact I got some a few weeks back in a Scottish bakery here in Canada, and I like them, also Fern Cakes etc. After reading Ewan's post I have to ask myself " Did I miss something ?", A lighthearted thread about names of food and he gets offended ?. can't figure that one out. On one episode of the TV series "The Sopranos" had the definition of Hell as an Irish Pub that played Danny Boy all day long, where the Irish dealer always came up with the winning hand in Poker?, Sure sounds more like hell to me than any of the other definitions - and I am Irish?. slan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Bert Date: 19 Aug 02 - 12:19 AM Squeaks! you're horrible! spunk pud and period.... indeed! I just can't imagine what kind of school you went to. The worst we had at school was Stodge (bread pudding) *grin* Yer right Bill D, it's all good natured fun. And Americans have some good names too. Pigs in a blanket, corn dogs and poke salad to name a few. Back to England though we seem to have missed out Starry Gazey Pie and Figgy 'obbin. The Cornish catters must be asleep or something. And we don't want to get into the Army name for dried apricots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: You Brits have gone too far From: Coyote Breath Date: 19 Aug 02 - 12:18 AM Oh boy, I'd forgotton (thank God) about SOS. Had enough of that. Imagine it being served on a troop ship with 3,500 very seasick GI's, crossing the Atlantic in the middle of January (1957, actually). I discovered that no matter what else I acquired in life, I had me "sea legs". No one else did. Saw the cliffs of Dover, awsome! The Cowboy Cafe, in DuBois, Wyoming serves the best shepard's pie I have ever et, I think they make it with bison. CB |