Tune Req: Catalina (from Blazin' Fiddles)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 10:02 AM

I've made the same assumptions as Jon, and put the above into Noteworthy, but it sounds nothing like a tune I've ever heard, not even 'celtic' (aargh).
hmmmm

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 09:49 AM

Well the most I could try to do with that is turn it in to a midi to play to see if I recognise it and perhaps make it easier for others to see if they can identify it but I'm stuck with your indication of note length.

I tried starting with the first "do" as the first quarter note in a 3/4 bar. I assumed where you put 2 notes together with no space to be 1/8th notes and where you have hyphenated a note (e.g.so-o) that we have a 1/2 note. That goes wrong in what I make out to be the 5th bar (sofa mefaso).

Maybe others can work the system out (or know it) or perhaps manage to recognise the tune without knowing the timing (I can rarely do that even with tunes I know) but I would need bar lines indicated and some brief explaination of your system to help.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: brioc
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 09:21 AM

aren't ye great altogether!! Knowing the Marino Waltz as I do , it is not that. and it is not Margarets Waltz ( sorry sorcha's gut!).

Looking for a needle in a haystack..........lets try this!!!!
you all know the do re me scale??

ok: the waltz is in the key of D and goes like this: ( first note "do" being D too )

do do do re mefaso-o me do do' tee la-a sofa mefaso sofame fa re-
so-o lasome fa me re do do' sola do' la so-o f#solaso me fa re do do.

that's the first part. So tune in and try to sing it!!!!!!!
brioc

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 01:14 AM

The site I gave a blue clicky for had solo recordings listed for other Dubliners as well. Marino Waltz was listed on there under John Sheahan and Michael Howard.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:29 AM

Just had another thought though...

Paddy Reilly has been with the Dubliners and so has Eamon Campbell... Maybe it is a Dubliners recording.

Jon

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:24 PM

My feeling too.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 09:55 PM

Although I can see Malcolm's logic in suggesting the Marino Waltz (a tune I like very much BTW as well as John Sheahan's own playing of it, but I would agree does not sound/ feel like it could be "Celtic"), I would suspect Paddy Reilly is a bit of a red-herring. He is really a ballad singer.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 09:19 PM

List of albums and songs recorded by Paddy Reilly, according to this website.

http://www.geocities.com/toeye/dubliners/solo.htm

Dubliners solo albums


The Life of Paddy Reilly (Dolphin 1971)

   1. The Coming of the Road
   2. Come to the Bower
   3. James Connolly
   4. Spancil Hill
   5. Sam Hall
   6. James Larkin
   7. Deportees
   8. Dollymount Strand
   9. The Lark in the Morning
10. Irish Soldier Boy
11. Matt Hyland
12. Orange & the Green

At Home (Dolphin 1971)

   1. Come Out Ye Black & Tans
   2. Four Green Fields
   3. Silver in the Stubble
   4. Peggy Gordon
   5. The Foggy Dew
   6. Kelly the Boy from Killane
   7. Joe Hill
   8. A Nation Once Again
   9. Blackwaterside
10. The Limerick Rake
11. Anach Cuin
12. Salford Town

The Town I loved so well (Dolphin 1975)

   1. The Flower of Sweet Strabane
   2. The Cliffs of Doonen
   3. The Hills of Kerry
   4. The Galway Races
   5. Rathcliff Highway
   6. Come up the Stairs
   7. The Town I Loved So Well
   8. Arthur Mc Bride
   9. Autumn Has Come
10. I Once Loved a Lass
11. Bold Tenant Farmer
12. Sweet Carnlough Bay
13. There Has to be an End to It Someday
14. The Moving Along Song

Fields of Athenry (Dolphin 1983)

   1. Fields of Athenry
   2. Farewell to Nova Scotia
   3. The Galtee Mountain Boy
   4. Farewell to the Rhonda
   5. John O' Dreams
   6. Scorn Not His Simplicity
   7. The Crack was 90 in the Isle of Man
   8. Dancing at Whitsun
   9. Mulligan & Me
10. Jim Larkin
11. Bunch of Thyme

Come back Paddy Reilly (Rathcoole Records 1984)

   1. My Lovely Rose of Clare
   2. Wind in the Willows
   3. Sunshine of Your Smile
   4. Hills of Greymore
   5. Snowy Breasted Pearl
   6. Rose of Allendale
   7. Come Back Paddy Reilly
   8. Down by the Sally Gardens
   9. Raglan Road
10. O'Connell's Steam Engine
11. Mary from Dungloe
12. The Old Rustic Bridge

The old Refrain (Dolphin 1984)

   1. Beautiful Dreamer
   2. Champions at Keeping Them Rolling
   3. The Galway Races
   4. This Town Is Not Their Own
   5. Paddy's Green Shamrock Shore
   6. Farewell to Dublin
   7. Only Her Rivers Run Free
   8. Derroll in the Rain
   9. The Old Man's Song
10. Bunclody

Paddy Reilly Now (Lunar Rec JBLP 007 1988)

   1. Flight of Earls
   2. Black Velvet Band
   3. Pat Murphy's Meadow
   4. Little Grey Home in the West
   5. After All These Years
   6. McAlpine's Fusiliers
   7. Song for Ireland
   8. Star of the County Down
   9. Grace
10. The Green Island
11. There Were Roses

Sings the Songs of Ewan MacColl (Harmac HM 65 1990)
Produced by Eamonn Campbell

   1. The Shoals of Herring
   2. Dirty Old Town
   3. Hot Asphalt
   4. The Lags' Song
   5. School Days End
   6. Go Down you Murderers
   7. Free Born Man
   8. Come me little Son

   9. The First Time ever I saw your Face
10. I'm a Rambler
11. The Ballad of Springhill
12. Thirty Foot Trailer
13. Moving on Song
14. I'm a Champion at keeping 'em rolling
15. Sweet Thames, flow softly

Gold and Silver Days (RTE RTE-144 1991)
Produced by Eamonn Campbell

   1. Dirty Old Town
   2. Rose of Mooncoin
   3. Festival of Galway
   4. Leaving Nancy
   5. Scorn Not His Simplicity
   6. Safe in the Harbor
   7. The Emigrant's Letter
   8. Slievenamon
   9. Song for Ireland
10. The Wild Rover
11. Kilty
12. The Gartan Mother's Lullaby
13. Flight of Earls
14. Working Man
15. The Dublin Minstrel
16. Neidin
17. Rare Ould Times
18. Heaven Around Galway Bay
19. Dublin, My Dublin
20. Isle of Inisfree

There are two options now offered to you. Find an online CD store and listen to the tracks of Paddy Reilly or phone a Mudcatter and sing the tune over the phone (or do it in PalTalk). If your Mudcat cookie has expired then you can reset it by going to the Login page using the Quick Links box on the top right of this page.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 08:25 PM

Yes, Sorcha, that is looking like the best option so far.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 06:41 PM

brioc should call somebody (or several somebodies) and 'dum ditty' the tune into the phone.........

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 06:31 PM

brioc,

The problem is that with the limited information you have given us it is really hard to identify the tune. You could go to an online CD store and search for Paddy Reilly's albums and listen to the sound samples of anything which could be a waltz. Most of the online stores have sound samples, e.g. CD Now or CD Universe.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Strupag
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 05:40 PM

Try Blair Douglas's "Kate Martin's Waltz"

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,GUEST, Stew
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 04:40 PM

How about "Seamus O'Brien"

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 04:33 PM

Come back brioc!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 12:51 PM

You could listen to all the waltzes listed at JC's tunefinder, 100 at a time...
Otherwise I think you'll have to ask your 'someone', brioc, for more information.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 12:09 PM

LOL, Malcolm!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 12:03 PM

You might on the offchance try The Marino Waltz, which was written by John Sheahan of the Dubliners, with whom Paddy Reilly works. At  J C's Tunefinder:

Marino Waltz

It's "Celtic" in the sense that it was written by an Irishman (so I'd call it "Irish" instead, really) but it's made in the conventional mainland European waltz style. I can't find any reference to Reilly having recorded Margaret's Waltz, but his involvement was presumably only a guess anyway. Meanwhile, trying to answer this sort of question is a bit like trying to pin down a particular person with brown hair who might, or might not, be called John and who lives "in the world somewhere"!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 11:10 AM

I know, Bob, but Aly Bain plays it and it is terribly popular. Just an idea.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:54 AM

G'day Sorcha,

"... have a 'gut feeling' that it might be Margaret's Waltz ..."

which is decidedly English ... ? (Pat Shaw ... EFDSS ... ? - but a great modern tune!).

Of course it may be something entirely different .. and Celtic ... and traditional (vide: "Traditional Air / Campbell".

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:32 AM

I have a 'gut feeling' that it might be Margaret's Waltz... Don't know why, but possibly.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,brioc
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:24 AM

a bit confused. Because I am a member ( must have elapsed i the meantime!).
If I could send in the ABC or midi or whatever, then I wouldn't really be looking for the tune. I have it in my head, but a couple of our band can only get there if they see it in black and white, and while I could write it out in pencil, I hoped I could just print it off the screen!!!!!!!!!!!!
brioc

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 09:12 PM

Thanks Sorcha. I haven't joined any of those sessions for quite a while, and then only a couple of times, so I'm not up to date on the format.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 09:00 PM

Ah, that would be the Mudcat PalTalk session Helen. Chat doesn't have sound capability now. But thanks for the suggestions.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 08:45 PM

Hi Brioc, and welcome to Mudcat.

Can you give us more information? Do you know how to do an ABC version of the tune, or can you do a midi file, or point to a file of it on the web somewhere, or can you give us a copy of the sheet music either scanned in as a graphics file, or typed in to a music notation software programme such as Noteworthy - a programme available as a free demo download?

As a last resort, could you telephone someone here and sing it to them over the phone, or join the Mudcat chat session and sing it?

You'd have to become a Mudcat member to do the last one, but membership is free, no strings attached, and the people here are not only very helpful, but one of the friendliest bunches of people I have ever met on the Internet.

We'll help if we can but there must be thousands, or hundreds of thousands of waltzes in existence, and we need to have some more specific information.

Helen

Subject: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,brioc
Date: 24 Apr 03 - 01:54 PM

Hi there, who can help on this one!
I have a tune. It is a very nice waltz. The main instrument is Mandolin, the second section is taken over by fiddle and then whistle. Someone said it could be off a CD from Paddy Reilly. SAid something else about Traditional Air / Campbell!! Look forward to hearing ( reading ) your suggestions. I can't sing it for you in type.................
brioc