Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Crane Driver Date: 17 Oct 02 - 05:49 PM "The Alabama" is one of a set of three shanties (along with "Won't You Go My Way?" and "A Hundred Years Ago" sung by Peter and Louis Killen on Peter's 1972 album "Won't You Go My Way?", recorded live in Norwich, and put out by Argo, part of Decca (ZFB 37). (I got it, I got it) Contains two Bellamy compositions ("Testimonial" and "Above the Hill"), one tin whistle solo, Cyril Tawney's "Monday Morning", and a number of trad songs including "Butter & Cheese & All", "Spencer the Rover" and "Yarmouth Town". All great stuff. Andrew |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: GUEST Date: 17 Oct 02 - 07:35 AM I think the Young Tradition made 3 LP's, of which Galleries is the best known. I can't remember the others, but one MAY have been 'So cheerfully round' which is the name of one of the songs. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Skipper Jack Date: 16 Oct 02 - 04:14 PM No one seems to have mentioned Peter Bellamy's album "Second Wind" produced by the EFDSS (English Folk Dance and Song Society)in 1985. I have the LP, but I know whether a CD version is a available? The only others I have are of the Young Tradition - "Galleries" and a "Young Tradition Sampler". |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: BB Date: 16 Oct 02 - 02:17 PM Hey, the make a link thing worked - first time I've done it! Thanks, Mudcat, for putting it in! Barbara |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: BB Date: 16 Oct 02 - 02:15 PM Fellside have released a double album for single album price in their 25th Anniversary recordings called 'Mr Bellamy, Mr Kipling & the tradition', which includes the two classic albums, 'Keep on Kipling' and Songs an' Rummy Conjurin' Tricks'. They can be obtained through Fellside's website, or from us at Umber Music. http://www.umbermusic.co.uk |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: johnross Date: 16 Oct 02 - 12:38 PM When Peter autographed my copy of The Transports, he added a flag to the top mast of the ship. The flag says "QANTAS". |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: pavane Date: 16 Oct 02 - 07:43 AM Agreed that Fair Annie is excellent, but it was a limited edition cassette. I also saw Peter, Anthea and Chris Birch in concert in Luxembourg, (in 1984, I think it was) and they performed several of the songs fom Keep on Kipling, which had just been released. (Chris lives in Luxembourg) I also had the chance to accompany him on harmonica at a private party, when he played blues guitar - rather unexpectedly. I do have a copy of 'The Fox jumps over the Parsons Gate' but I think that like a lot of his stuff, it was 'Bulmerised' and unlikely to be available as a re-release in the near future (if ever) |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: GUEST,nigel schofield Date: 16 Oct 02 - 07:16 AM I am currently working with Free Reed on a 25th anniversary reissue of The Transports (OK its actual release will be a year or so late)and am hoping to track down all released cover versions of songs from the ballad opera. If you know of any (and I have about a dozen already) please contact me at nigel.schofield@blueyonder.co.uk. More information about the re-issue which will include new material, a second CD, libretto, book and poster will shortly emerge from Free Reed's Belper offices. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: richardw Date: 29 Jan 01 - 07:50 PM For those that might be interested I just received a copy of "The Widow's Uniform by Dave Webber and Anni Fentiman and others. It is a CD of 16 of Kipling's Barrackroom Ballads "as set to music by Perter Bellamy" I ordered it directly from Dane and Anni at: oldandnewtradition.com e-mail is info@oldandnewtradition.com It's great stuff, particularly if you are a Kipling fan. Richard Wright |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: dick greenhaus Date: 17 Nov 00 - 12:02 PM You can get all of 'em (plus some possibly helpful advice) from Camsco. E-mail queries to dick@camsco.com) |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: GUEST,Les from Hull at work Date: 17 Nov 00 - 11:36 AM The 'Wake the Vaulted Echoes' that Abby mentions contains material not available from other sources. I suppose the assuption is that Bellamyphiles would have the Young Tradition stuff (still available on CD I believe, heavily discounted like so much of that old Transatlantic stuff) and Kipling stuff (I remember that Pete, after struggling with the lack of output from Celtic Music was reduced to 'bootlegging himself'. I'm sure you can still (and should) get 'The Transports' on Topic - it's inspirational stuff. One Whitby Folk Week many years ago (you can't get the wood you know!) there was an anagram competition. We'll never forget the Peter Bellamy came out as Elmer P. Bleaty. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Anglo Date: 17 Nov 00 - 09:59 AM Yes the Bellamy brothers are someone else entirely. The Spinners (excuse the pocket description, but they were sort of like an English Kingston Trio, very popular for 30 years) were also different from The Spinners (soul band). In England, with musicians union rules and such, the latter had to call themselves the Detroit Spinners; in the US the british folkies became the Liverpool Spinners.
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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: GeorgeH Date: 17 Nov 00 - 07:16 AM Never heard of the Bellamy Brothers so I'd guess someone entirely different . . but you should be able to tell that from the links here. Never could understand "folk-rockish" but I wouldn't have said it applied to Peter . . On the other hand, heard some guy busking on Concertina in Cambridge (UK) city centre a year or so back, and his playing sounded REMARKABLY like Peter's (I'm sure I'd have been disillusioned had he started to sing . .) G. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: richardw Date: 15 Nov 00 - 07:03 PM Thanks Anglo; Mudcat comes through once again. Richard http://goldrushbc.com |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: mousethief Date: 15 Nov 00 - 06:11 PM Forgive my ignorance but is he one of the Bellamy Brothers who had a string of folk-rockish hits in the early 1970's? Or another Bellamy entirely?
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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Anglo Date: 15 Nov 00 - 06:00 PM Oops, sorry I thought I posted the email address but I guess it was in html brackets so it probably disappeared off somewhere into cyberspace. jennyb@newmill.demon.co.uk
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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: richardw Date: 15 Nov 00 - 12:32 PM Anglo; I am not sure what you mean by "Jenny Bellamy" Tried a search on that on the web and got nothing meaningful. Can you tell me more? Thanks Richard |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Anglo Date: 15 Nov 00 - 12:16 PM richardw, you can reach Jenny at, |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: GeorgeH Date: 15 Nov 00 - 07:18 AM The unreleased Belamy stuff lies languishing in the vaults of Celtic Music (Harrogate, Yorkshire) . . See any thread on Nic Jones for further info, or recent thread on Bob Fox and Stu Luckley, or do a deja news search for "Dave Bulmer" (usual expletives deleted). As far as I know, all the Young Tradition material is available on CD, plus The Transports (which is Belamy's creation rather than his performance; "all-star cast" will cover it), the Topic recording of "Both Sides Then" (stunning version of "Amazing Grace") and the Free Reed box set which Abby reviews so well . . As I recall, the final time we saw him "live" (when we, too, bought the "Fair Annie" tape) he commented that he'd had problems with the owners of the copyright of Kipling's work in getting permission to record his arrangements of the poems, which is why few of them made it to vinyl. Oh, and we also had the great pleasure of seeing one of the few live performances of "The Transports" . . which was even better than the recording. G. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: lamarca Date: 12 Nov 00 - 08:34 PM Here's a really good site and complete discography for Peter Bellamy. My husband and I sing a lot of his Kipling settings, having both been Kipling fans from our mis-spent youths. Some of his LPs have been re-released on CD, but not all... |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: richardw Date: 12 Nov 00 - 07:06 PM All these great sites on Peter's work but none of them say where to contact Jenny Bellamy who evidently has some of hsi early material. Richard |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Long Firm Freddie Date: 11 Nov 00 - 06:13 PM I had the privilege of seeing Peter Bellamy performing live. He was electric.
His highly mannered singing style was encapsulated in an entry for an "Appropriate Anagrams" competition in Folk Roots (now just fRoots) magazine. Some inspired wit shuffled the letters of Peter's name around to coin the entirely apt "Elmer P Bleaty". LFF |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Anglo Date: 11 Nov 00 - 02:02 PM The CD compilation was largely the work of Nigel Schofield, a close friend of Peter in his Yorkshire period, who also happened to have a recording studio. In the absence of Neil Wayne (otherwise engaged hosting a rugby club dinner, as I understand it) Nigel came to the Old Songs Festival (Altamont NY) last summer where he hosted and participated in a number of informative workshops celebrating Peter's career. Heather Wood (ex-Young Tradition) was a major participant. Sorry you all missed it. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 11 Nov 00 - 01:49 PM I don't know about Bob Blackman, but the CD was put together by Free Reed Records of Derbyshire UK (largely, Neil Wayne), the company that originally released "The Transports". There's a review, with soundclips, at Rootsworld: http://www.rootsworld.com/reviews/bellamy99.html Free Reed's own information page on the CD is here: Wake The Vaulted Echoes and includes text from the accompanying booklet, a full discography (including Peter's own "bootlegs") and much more. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Art Thieme Date: 11 Nov 00 - 01:15 PM Well, I WAS WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The CD is NOT from Critic's Choice. And it is the 3-CD set previously mentioned by Abby Sale!!!! This Peter Bellamy CD set that I saw in the recent catalogue can be had from
ELDERLY INSTRUMENTS in Lansing, Michigan
It covers Peter's entire career and includes songs with the Young Tradition and Lou Killen and ones from hie ballad-opera "The Transports". I don't know who put this out but I'm left wondering if Bob Blackman in Lansing had a hand in it's production!?? Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: GUEST,(Edgar A. GUEST)--Art Thieme Date: 11 Nov 00 - 10:36 AM The cassettes that Dan Keding speaks of were fine compilations. Peter told me he couldn't get hold of the rights to the recordings at all and was running them off on his own boom box to get something, anything, to sell at his concerts and at festivals. It was a sad situation... There is a fine single CD compilation listed in the most recent CRITIC'S CHOICE catalogue--out of Itaska, Illinois. It seems to've deleted itself from my house at the present moment but I'll keep looking for it. I do recall there were things from The Transports on it--Kipling songs also. I was hoping that if I marked it in the catalogue someone would give it to me for Christmas. Art Thieme
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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: BDtheQB Date: 11 Nov 00 - 09:00 AM Just like many other passed on artists, I never appreciated them when active but now that they are gone I get more interested in what they did than ever before. Peter, for example was an interesting voice on the local folkradio station here but I never realized until recently how prolific he was. Now, of course, it is too late to give him his due in person. I will, however, continue to show my support for his body of work. The local folk radio station had him on live many times and one of the on-airs here sang at his funeral. Strange connections in the global village-- You can listen to this station at www.kdhx.org if you wish and can email Judy Stein of the Family Reunion Peter's longtime friend if you wish to know anything about his music. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Micca Date: 11 Nov 00 - 08:19 AM Here are what is listed at Amazon Uk at this date...(the titles seperated by a / are the original release albums on vinyl)anyone in the US having probs PM me and we might be able to make arrangements.. UK Releases: Young Tradition Galleries/No Relation by Young Tradition/Royston & Heather Wood Essential (Audio CD)Our Price: £8.99 The Holly Bears the Crown by Young Tradition Released 1999 Fledg'ling (Audio CD) Our Price: £9.99 Young Tradition/So Cheerfully Round by Young Tradition Essential (Audio Cd)Our Price: £8.99 UK Releases: PeterBellamy The Transports by Peter Bellamy Topic (Audio CD) Our Price: £8.99 Imports: Wake the Vaulted Echoes [BOX SET] [IMPORT] by Peter Bellamy Released 2000 Free Reed (Audio CD) £23.99 |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Garry Gillard Date: 11 Nov 00 - 07:11 AM My not very good Young Tradition page has some links which will take you to more interesting Peter Bellamy stuff. hth, Garry |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Snuffy Date: 11 Nov 00 - 06:42 AM I have a tape called "The Rest of The Young Tradition - Odds & Ends/Live in Pennsylvania" which has several shanties on it (but no Roll Alabama). They are:
The sleeve says these were released on an EP (remember them?) in 1967. There are also 7 tracks from an unreleased LP with Shirley & Dolly Collins 1969 and 7 tracks recorded live at the mainpoint in 68 or 69 Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Abby Sale Date: 10 Nov 00 - 10:29 PM I've been listening to one or the most fiendish god-awful records I've ever come across, Peter Bellamy's Wake the Vaulted Echoes (Free Reed - 3 CDs, 1999) I previously only had the one Bellamy record, Fox Jumps Over the Parson's Gate from 1970 ago. That was ok as I had plenty of time to really get all its subtilties over the past 30 year. This sucker is a different matter - at 3 full-up CDs (3-1/2 hours) it may take me years to digest the whole thing. I keep listening repeatedly & then I have to listen again. Who's got the time? I cannot recommend that anyone here contact Camsco (1/3 the price I've seen it for elsewhere) and get it or that any Europeans contact "Free Reed Music" Anyway, in spite of nearly 60 songs and a 70-page booklet, they left out "Frankie's Trade" which I've only heard by (Geoff Kaufman maybe) of the Mystic Seaport Chanteymen but noone else. Now that's a brilliant song & not even on the record. So there you are - don't bother with it. Well, there are 10 or so other Kipling songs including the terrifying "Looking Glass" but that just proves the point. Excuse me - gotta go. I wanted to hear a couple of songs on CD-1 again & make sure I heard them quite right.
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Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: richardw Date: 10 Nov 00 - 09:10 PM I'm looking for Peter Bellamy's Soldiers Three, 1990 and Barrack Room Ballads. On one web site it says these can be ordered from Jenny Bellamy. But gives no contact information. Anyone know how to contact her or order his older recordings? Richard Wright |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Bill D Date: 23 Oct 98 - 11:34 PM The tape he sold me..(best thing he ever did..*grin*) was called "Fair Annie" with Chris Birch..cheap printed paper cassette label...has 'The Dockyard Gate'..'Down by thr Green Groves'..The Molecatcher'...Conversation with Death'...'Down the Moor'...'Bluey Brink'...'Santa Fe Trail'...'Maid of Australia'...'Shepherds Arise'...'Bungaree'...'Fair Annie'....'The Liburn Lass'...and 'The Lone Pilgram'....I have 4 or 5 records and the "Transports " folk opera....what a talent..!! |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Dan Keding Date: 23 Oct 98 - 12:19 PM Both Sides Then is a great album. I saw Peter a few months before he died and got two cassettes that he was selling at the time. One was "Peter Belamy:an Anthology of Traditional Folk Songs 1966-1990". The other one was called "Peter Bellamy: an Anthomolgy of Rudyard Kipling Songs 1970-1990" Both are double length cassettes. Some of the cuts are from old radio shows, previous albums, and live performances. Great stuff! I have a feeling that these tapes were put out by Peter and that they may not be available anymore. Dan |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: skw@ Date: 23 Oct 98 - 08:50 AM I think I saw 'Both Sides Then' (1979) on CD somewhere ... It contains Barbaree, The Trees They Do Grow High, The Lord Will Provide, The Gallant Frigate Amphitrite, A-Roving On A Winter's Night, Derry Gaol, Long Time Travelling, The Shepherd of the Downs, The Housecarpenter, When I Die, Edmund In the Lowlands, Around Cape Horn, The Turfman From Ardee, Amazing Grace (with a tune different from the usual one). And it boasts Anthea Bellamy, Lou Killen, Bill Shute & Lisa Null, The Watersons, Dave Swarbrick, and Royston and Heather Wood as session musicians, as well as a great cover. Hope you'll find it. - Susanne |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Barbara Date: 23 Oct 98 - 02:35 AM Yes, I heard him once live, and I remember. I also recall I'd never heard a Brit "do" a US accent before, and I remember thinking, 'Do we really sound THAT bad?'. I heard about it when he died, and I too regret his passing. I see that 'Transports' is available from CDNow, so will pick that one up. One other seems to be available from Camsco in Vermont - Both Sides Then. And they have The Holly Bears a Crown by the YOung Tradition. If anyone finds anything else extant, I'd like to hear. Thank you all for your help. Blessings, Barbara |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Liam's Brother Date: 22 Oct 98 - 11:41 PM Barrack Room Ballads was a Green Linnet LP. Just checked their internet catalogue... not available in any format. Peter Bellamy was an brilliant solo performer. Very stylized, totally into folk music. He really cranked it out. 'The Transports' is a immense accomplishment. I want to say that he was a great friend that I admired immensely and that I miss him very much but that would be a terribly stupid comment. He was a person of great stature and his work, wherever it can be found, is a wonderful testament to someone who died far too early... probably because his standards were so very high. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Bob Schwarer Date: 22 Oct 98 - 11:30 AM Take a listen to the John Roberts & Tony Barrand CD "Naulakha Redux" It's a collection of 16 Rudyard Kipling songs. Most of the songs are credited to Peter Bellamy. Bellamy's tune to "The Road to Mandalay" is also on The Friends of Fiddler's Green CD of the same name. Fiidler's Green is Ian Robb, Grit Laskin and 5 more. A nice CD. Bob S. |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Bill D Date: 21 Oct 98 - 06:22 PM also, "Keep On Kipling" and "Barrack Room Ballads"...no doubt not in print...he was a wonder!! He sold me a tape once..in person...told me "this is the best thing I've ever done..."...I related the story to someone who grinned and replied..."He says that about EVERYTHING he does..." |
Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Barry Finn Date: 21 Oct 98 - 06:08 PM He's got a solo LP called "Peter Bellamy, Tell It Like It Was" on Trailer Records !975. Two of my favorites on that are "On Board A 98" & "Rambling Robin" & just the other day I picked up his "Transports" (folk Opera) on CD from Topic, "I Onced Lived In Service " & his shanty "Roll Down" are both on it & are great examples of his writing talents. I remember seeing & hearing him years ago, he came on stage, bright flaming red shiny red suit, voice tearing through the hall, bouncing around till the whole place was rocking & singing, like a revival meeting was happening, hey he was a revival. Barry |
Subject: Peter Bellamy recordings? From: Barbara Date: 21 Oct 98 - 01:17 PM We were talking about Peter and all his wonderful Kipling tunes, and I dug out one old Young Tradition tape I had, but surely there's more recordings of him, right? Seems like I remember a collection of sea chanties, with the Alabama on it, and weren't there at least two Young Tradition records? Did he record with others? Thanks for your help. Blessings, Barbara |
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