Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:53 AM

Forgot to say - I really do miss you Lizzie.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:51 AM

Did everyone go to Broadstairs and not come back??

Pretty new website from the festival organisers - let's hope the practical issues get sorted - there is a long way to go.
yet another official website!

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: SarahNash
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 07:53 AM

Nuts to it all - I'm going to Broadstairs.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Dave Earl
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 06:52 AM

Well for whatever reason Mr Seered is Persona Non Grata.

I don't know why but he has got up the noses of people I have contact with.

It might be that what he wants to do at The Arena is not in keeping with what the organisers wish to occur.

If he asked to attend meetings and was refused he must have some idea of what it is that puts him offside.


Dave Earl

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,James H
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 06:16 AM

that's my interpretation too Dave, the only reason I got involved at all was because various people had been aiming strong criticism at Steve and his site for 'being negative' and I didn't think that was fair.

as for next years festival - I genuinely hope it is a success for everybody who is involved in organising it or who goes along as a punter. I still think they would benefit from somebody with the amount of energy Steve has being involved and he says he has tried to get involved and not been allowed to. Either that is true or it isn't. On his site he is asking questions about next years festival (as well as the long term) that will have to be addressed before next August and if he hasn't been allowed to be in the steering group and has concerns about these specific issues I don't see what is wrong with him asking them on his own website. Although some of the questions on there could be interpreted as 'rhetorical' a lot of them are not.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 06:06 AM

With regards to raising 'funds' for Sidmouth in the future...................Why don't the people who love this Festival all get together to try to raise the funds themselves? Or am I missing something here?

EDDC are cutting back in ALL areas! They DON'T have the money! How or why it's happened none of us will really know, but if the amount of energy that's been wasted trying to undermine this Festival was put into trying to save it and give it a viable future, we could have probably raised ALL the money needed by now!!

So let's start a new Thread and see what happens!!............


Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Dave Earl
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 05:56 AM

James

I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding somewhere in all this.

What occurs in 2005 will be an "interim" thing basically working around what has in previous years been "Fringe" and I think everybody is aware of this.

From 2006 the Steering Group are working towards producing a full festival more like what went on in the past (but in my opinion probably on a less lavish scale). The Press releases that I have seen seem to indicate that proper company (with charitable status and "limited liability") will be set up to administer 2006 onwards.I hope this aspect addresses the worry you have.

Please understand that this is my interpretation of what I have read in various places and not anything coming from the comittee/steering group.

John Golighty says more details are soon to be released so we will all know a little more soon.

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,James H
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 05:27 AM

cheers Dave,

no I know, he's not on the organising team - what I was trying to say was I can't see why not seeing as he's obviously keen to expend a lot of energy on thinking about it - playing devil's advocate to a certain extent may be but surely that is a valuable role? If Steve's site is true then a) various people have said 'anybody who wants to get involved in helping can come along and take part' and b)various other people have said to Steve 'no you can't come to meeting on 23rd Oct and no there aren't any other opportunities for you to come and get involved either'. The two things contradict each other. But when I've asked nobody has come forward and said 'that is something from the seered site that is factually incorrect' so I'm left to believe that despite Steve actively trying to get involved he hasn't been allowed to.

Something which occurs to me though is: on one level, for us folkies & festival enthusiasts, the issue is about 'are we going to have something to go to in Sidmouth next year?' and that has obviously been answered with a resounding yes and all the info that has been put on mudcat and on the festival site and in press releases _is_ as much as we need to know and that is fine by me.

However, there is a deeper (and more political, I guess) question which possibly is not being addressed at all by the organisers of _next_ years folk week - which is 'how can the festival be run for the foreseeable future in such way that it is financially viable?'. Its this second issue that I think a lot of the questions on Steve's site are aimed at, and it does bear some thinking about. And it does get down to politics and personalities at that stage because the extent to which EDDC puts its neck out for the festival makes a big difference to what other people can do or need to do. The thing I would be worried about is a small group of people ending up in the same position as Mrs Casey had been previously with not enough funds to cope if the weather turns bad and they don't get the people through the gates that they were expecting. A lot of the questions on Steve's site are trying to explore the issues that get bandied about when people start talking about this side of it, be they myths or hard facts. And these are issues that need exploring to _support_ the long term future of the festival and I guess its a bit galling for Steve and is certainly frustrating for people like me who also think these questions need exploring to effectively be told 'asking those questions is negative, you are not supporting the festival'.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Dave Earl
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 02:24 AM

I am sure the team are fully aware of Licence and Insurance requirements and it will all be in the pipeline. D Schofield and the others have had close involvement with past festivals as have others (previous Director for one).

I take the view that there is not much point in announcing anything until such time as it is all cut and dried. What do you expct them to say?

Elsewhere in the thread a further newsletter is on its way. Lte's see what this says before getting any more upset.

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: steve_harris
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 11:47 PM

"They haven't answered any of the questions asked many times over concerning licensing, health & safety, insurance etc."

Probably because they think that anyone with a genuine interest in the Festival would be asking stuff like "Who's on the guest list?"

Or is there is some quaint traditional custom I've missed where folkies ring up every festival with "Please tell me the name of your Insurance Company? - Legal and General - That's fine, I'll take 2 adult season tickets please?"

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,Fritz The Cat
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 07:50 PM

Think I'm already on a 2005 mailing list under my real name John.

What's this about Show of Hands only being support to The Wurzels? I know the latter have had several Top 10 hits (some 50 years ago) and appeared on Brucie's Generation Game but are they really a bigger crowd-puller than Show of Hands?

If so then that suggests the 2005 audience will be more bucket 'n' spade holidaymaker than genuine folkie.

It's also an insult to Show of Hands.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: John Golightly
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 04:05 PM

Hi All

A newsletter is imminent, in the next few days. However, it's in PDF (Adobe Acrobat) format & I don't want to mess up the designer's hard work by posting it here in plain text.

So if you're interested in a copy, please click on "pm" just after my name (above) and send me your Email address/first name/last name (real name, not Mudcat name please). I'll add you to our mailing list, and send you a copy when it's released for publication.

As always - we will not reveal, sell on or otherwise misuse your personal contact details.

LLAP

John

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Dave Earl
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 11:59 AM

James,

I think you will find that Mr Seered is not actually on the team that is organising Folk Week 2005.

The only "official" and truly accurate info to date is what has been said in the Press Release(s). There is still a lot going on in the background and more will be announced as it becomes confirmed.

I have contact (elsewhere) with the organisers and I am, like everybody, else just keeping my ear to the ground.

You can take it that things will be happening but what goes on will have a different "feel" from what has gone on in recent years.

Don't get annoyed just be a little patient.

dave earl

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,James H
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 11:23 AM

I've said enough about this to bore most people to tears so don't want to subject you to much more. Only got involved in the first place cos I was fed up with several people complaining about Steve seered's negativity/lack of support for next years organisers and wanted to point out that having taken the time to read his site, I thought the majority of the points he is making sound sensible and unless there are factual errors in what he is saying, I support his general approach towards analytical questioning. Still haven't had any factual errors pointed out to me so I shall take it that there aren't any!

For what it's worth, looks to me like he would be a good person to have involved in the organisation of it and it's a shame that for whatever reason he hasn't been involved. I'd have thought steering group meetings would be the most useful place to have his questions discussed. (When I said 'the question' I didn't mean to imply there was only one, just that each question could be treated separately). That way he'd have an outlet for the energy he has put into researching the issues that concern him & others. Unless he is lying about it, he has made several ongoing attempts to get involved with said steering committee and he hasn't been allowed in. I'm prepared to keep an open mind about whether that is the whole story but nobody has picked it up as a 'factual error' so I'm more inclined to believe him than not.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: steve_harris
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 09:31 AM

"thing is Steve Harris, surely one way to deal with people doing what you say Steve at seered is doing is to simply and honestly answer the question in a factual way"

You say "the question" as if there was just one and no more would be forthcoming!

"And his main complaint that I've seen seems to be 'nobody will answer my questions'"

Yes, that crops up several times on his site. He's had that problem with Devon County Council, Tessa Jowell MP and now the Sidmouth Folk Week crowd!

"so if his questions got answered then he wouldn't have anything to complain about would he?"

What do you think? :-)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 09:03 AM

Dear Gorgeous Guests Above and 'James'

I would write but I am just TOO thrilled at the thought of having my VERY OWN Folk Week next year, as mentioned by one of you above!

Just imagine, me in The Arena, sitting on the hill, looking down at the stage, and who'll be playing just for me.......? Why, Show of Hands of course!!!! Their ethos has always been to never get angry with the people who don't come, just give the ones that do to turn up your very best. And GUESS WHO is going to turn up?? Yeyyyyy!!! :0)

Gee Whizz! MY VERY OWN Concert! WHAT a thought! And those Folk Week 2005 Organisers are busy arranging it all for me! They're EVEN HIGER UP in my estimation today than they were yesterday....and they were pretty high yesterday! I think I might start to look upon them all as Heroes soon! Maybe I'll nickname them all 'The Incredibles'!! I'll let you know when I've seen the film! :0)

Gosh! Just Me, The Arena and Show of Hands!!!! :0) :0)

And it's ONLY Thursday!!! What IS going to happen tomorrow?
I mean it JUST SIMPLY CAN'T GET ANY BETTER!!! IT CAN'T!!!

Lizzie

PS I like the sound of that 'Steve Harris' Chappie! :0)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,Guest up North
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 04:14 AM

Ignore them, Lizzie.

As for the organisers not wanting to "show their faces" - if they did, who do you think would be first in the queue to accuse them of conceit & self-aggrandisement & promoting their own personal interests & opinions & generally telling the rest of us what's best?

Probably someone who's pretty damn good at that himself....

'nuff said

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,James H
Date: 02 Dec 04 - 04:02 AM

thing is Steve Harris, surely one way to deal with people doing what you say Steve at seered is doing is to simply and honestly answer the question in a factual way. Even if you think that he's asking the question to prove some point about not knowing arses from elbows. I haven't ever noticed him asking a question that was completely impossible to answer. And his main complaint that I've seen seems to be 'nobody will answer my questions' so if his questions got answered then he wouldn't have anything to complain about would he?

All that I've seen happen is, Steve at seered asks a question and is met with a very defensive 'how dare you imply I don't know my arse from my elbow?' response which doesn't really move anything forward. And it looks from the outside that the people being asked questions are completely unwilling to enter into a dialogue about anything.

I asked a question (of Lizzie, but I can ask it of you too...) of 'could you give me a quote of anything from the seered site that you feel is inaccurate or misinformation?' I haven't had an answer yet. Lizzie made it pretty clear that she hadn't read most of Steve's site anyway and that the things she didn't like was that it was a waste of time, left her stone cold, and quoted her... (nevermind that it also quoted Steve Heap which was a "GOOD THING !!!!!!!   :-) ;-) ")

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,Wurzelmania
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 11:13 PM

Wooeee. The sensational Wurzels coming to my home town. Can't believe it. Must be the biggest band ever to appear here in Sidmouth. Anyone know if there's any tickets left or have they sold out already? P.S. Whose this 'Shove Off Hands' who are supporting the mighty Wurzels? Never 'eard of 'em.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,Another Guest
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 10:53 PM

Isn't it amazing. James H is the latest in a long line of people who have posted honest questions to this site only to be met by a torrent of sarcasm and abuse from loony Lizzie.

Lizzie and others who claim to be PROMOTING Sidmouth 2005 never seem able to give an honest answer to an honest question.

They haven't answered any of the questions asked many times over concerning licensing, health & safety, insurance etc.

As someone else has said, the East devon Council say there are NO licensing, health & safety or insurance arrangements approved for any events at any outdoor venues, the arena, the campsites or anywhere similar.

Neither do the organisers of Sidmouth 2005 want to show their faces.

When Steve of Sidmouth offered the organisers of Sidmouth 2005 space on his own site for their photographs so people could put faces to names, I believe only one took up the offer.

Maybe the other names don't have faces.

Maybe they don't even exist.

At this rate all that will be left in 2005 will be Lizzie, sad little Lizzie, at a festival, all on her own.

Even she can't welcome the news that Show of Hands are now relegated to a support act for The Wurzels.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: steve_harris
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 06:59 PM

"but surely asking questions is a reasonable thing to do?"

It would be if they were just questions. Trouble is Seered questions are rhetorical questions - IE, they are statements with a "?" symbol put on the end. And the real drift of those statements is "X doesn't know his arse from his elbow" where X is, well, quite a few people.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 12:40 PM

Hmmm.....I think something a 'trifle weird' has been going on whilst I've been away! 'James' seems to have completely flipped! I think it's the !!!! They do tend to divide people. :0)

I get everything I need from the Press Releases, from the people who are organising 2005, thank you very much, just as I got everything I needed from Steve Heap and his team!

Never sat there agonising over what Steve Heap was doing, never fell into a fit of the Collywobbles if I hadn't heard anything by November/December! Was really pleased when my brochure turned up telling me who was going to be on at Sidmouth each year. I already know that Radio 2's Best Live Act 2004 in the Folk Awards, Show of Hands, are going to be there, and The Battlefield Band etc. and I'll look forward to hearing about all the others too!

James, please keep your hair on! Anyone would think you were a little 'wound up' about Steve's site the amount of mentions you've given it! Gee Whizz! Try breathing deeply that can often help!
I certainly will enjoy myself next year though! Thanks! ;0)

Oh! and to 'Guest'07.49......Is a 5th Columnist Troll someone who writes for The Sunday Sport?


Roll on Sidmouth 2005!

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,James H
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 09:36 AM

patience being a virtue and all that I thought it was worth trying to get to the bottom of the question I wanted answering. *sigh*

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James H

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 07:49 AM

It took you a long time to find out, GUEST, exasperated.
We're talking 5th columnist troll here...

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,(monstrously exasperated but admitting defea
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 07:34 AM

ok I give up. You don't like Steve's site but haven't actually bothered reading it all? You haven't given me a quote of anything from it that you think is inaccurate, you just don't like it on principle because it is asking questions rather than leaping wholeheartedly to the support of the individuals running next years festival? You think it's a waste of his time to have put it together? Fair enough, your perogative. Seems a little mean of you to be so down on him though. There are some who might think that hitting the ! key so many times was also a bit of a waste of time but hey, your choice.

"Ummm.....how can you report the facts about the facts when you don't actually KNOW what the facts are? Surely, the only people who know the REAL facts are those who are organising the very facts that you claim to know the facts about!! " (quote from you, above)

For the most part all Steve's site says is 'don't accept things as facts from anybody without asking a few questions to verify them first' (whether that is Mrs Casey, EDDC, next years organisers, or anybody else for that matter). He's trying to ask some questions. You are happy to accept things from next years organisers as facts without asking questions. Your choice too, just don't expect everybody else to do the same and don't be suprised if people who do want to ask questions get frustrated when they don't get given answers.

ta ta, enjoy yourself next summer, I'm sure you will. I'll be back the year after, probably would be there next year too if I didn't have other commitments. For now I shall go back to lurking, can't see me getting any more sensible dialogue out of this one.

James H

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 06:43 AM

Well, James, glad you've gone from 'very exasperated' to 'still exasperated' to just plain old James!:0)

I did once see a quote from Steve Heap about everyone getting behind the organisers of next year's festival, whoever they may be, and supporting them fully and making sure that this wondrous festival is handed down to our children, that was REALLY INSPIRATIONAL! Then I found, quite by accident, a few of my scribbles, that was REALLY SCARY and the rest just left me stone cold! WHY would ANYONE want to spend so much time making a site like that! It worries me! He needs to see the sky more!

Anyway 'James' I HAVE to go now! I cannot spend ALL day entertaining you on Mudcat! :0) By the way, you've one last message for today over on the other thread, for Pongo! I think it's the Sidmouth Air that does this to us you know, Old Before Our Time, Rambling on and on and on and.............!

God Bless Sidmouth 2005! God Bless you James!

Lizzie

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,James H
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 06:23 AM

can you give me direct quotes of things from Steve's site that you believe are misinformation or inaccurate in any way?

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 06:07 AM

Ummmm.....James dear, sorry what was the question again!

Lizzie :-)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,(still exasperated) James H
Date: 01 Dec 04 - 05:17 AM

nah, sorry Lizzie, you've still not answered the question - try again - can you give me direct quotes of things from Steve's site that you believe are misinformation or inaccurate in any way?

No I'm not Steve. He's not the only person in the world who wants to ask questions, and I'm sorry you feel that people who care about a festival shouldn't ask questions about the way it is run. I don't ask the same questions of other festivals a) because I don't care about them as much and b) because they don't seem to suffer from as much heated debate and controversy at the moment. If they did, and if I cared enough about them, then I would.

(btw I feel much the same about Whitby - used to be a festival I really enjoyed, it's gone down a route I'm not keen on wrt the type of events & artists booked and the organisers do not seem interested in 'being accountable' to their audience. Their choice.... but I haven't been for the whole week for years and don't care enough about it these days to even be bothered to complain - because they've made it clear that they don't care whether I go or not. I'd be sorry to see Sidmnouth go same way, hence asking the questions in the first place).

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 02:47 PM



So, that lasted all of ooh! 15 minutes or so! Can't work out this clock!!)

Guest 01.54: Of COURSE there is a God!! He gave us The Sidmouth International Folk Festival, he's giving us Sidmouth Folk Week 2005 and he gave us SHOW OF HANDS!

Sorry, had to come back and say that! Not doing too well with this 'staying away bit'! But then neither are you! :-)

Lizzie :-)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 01:54 PM

At last you realised that you got to write less,thank goodness there is a God after all.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 01:50 PM

'James'...... the ONLY site I would view is the one being set up by the organisers of Sidmouth Folk Week 2005. They are the ONLY people who know what HAS gone on, what IS going on and what is GOING to be going on!

Yes 'Steve' is free to ask and behave how ever he so chooses, but equally the Steering Committee for Sidmouth Folk Week 2005 should also be free to arrange a Festival quietly and confidently, with as much support as possible from all involved.

They are working for all of us, to keep this wonderful Festival alive and I have a huge amount of respect for them! Why should they answer questions continually from someone on Mudcat? They are not there to keep Steve in Sidmouth happy, let him wait for the press releases like the rest of us! I should think that no other folk festival has ever had to be arranged under such a mountain of criticism and doubt!

This Country is losing many, many precious things! We seem extraordinarily happy to shrug our shoulders, be apathetic and just moan or grieve over the loss of things which we all have the power to save!

I don't know what's happened to us all!! We need a really hard 'kick up the backside' lately!! I've heard people who've professed to love Sidmouth Festival deeply just say...."Well, let it die! It's time it went! It's had it's day!"

Well, Bums to that Attitude!!

How DARE people say that and then profess to love Sidmouth! How Shamingly Pathetic!! My God! It makes me SO angry! Forget the people of my town, some of whom love this Festival, forget the businesses, it has to be the PEOPLE who so love what Sidmouth stands for who have to save it!!! It's not about Stephen Wozniak, it's about a Spirit that SO deserves to be kept alive!

And THAT'S why I get so angry!! This Festival is about everyone, from Steve Heap, Dave Swarbick, Ralph McTell, and Martin Carthy to the smallest child dancing to the music in the Arena on a summer's day! It is about thousands of people's memories and thousands more beautiful memories yet to come!

The Steering Committee are determined to save this Festival and organise an enjoyable Folk Week next year along the way and I'm damned if I'll sit by and let deliberate poison and doubt be spread around in the way that it has on this thread and the others before it! I have a great deal of respect for them all! They're doing a great job!

And as I sit here and type this, I'm listening to Jim Moray's 'Sweet England'. A young man who spent many, many holidays in Sidmouth at Festival time, and who has gone on to become one of the new generation of Folk Singers, taking this music out to young people, where it's so badly needed!

Oh Gee! 'James' I've done it again.....what was the question??? :-)
Never mind, somewhere amidst all these words you should find the answer you want!!! :-) :-) (Are you sure you're not Steve?!)

Anyway, it's high time I took a rest from Mudcat! I'll leave you all to heckle or support!

Lizzie

Must write less, must write less, must write less, must...........!

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,(very exasperated) James H
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 10:48 AM

To Lizzie, (and others who make similar points elsewhere),

What is it on Steve's SeeRed site that you disagree with? Is it that you think there is information on there that is inaccurate or incorrect? If so, what information is that?

I've seen him ask the same questions in these threads but haven't seen an answer yet. I am not Steve or any alias of his, I am just another festival goer who happens to like to take a rationally questioning approach to life and as such I quite like seeing the arguments set out in black and white. As far as I can see, that is all Steve is trying to do. If it comes across as overly critical at times then that is his perogative (free country & all that) - but to be honest I haven't seen much sign of it - yes he questions the motivations of some people but surely asking questions is a reasonable thing to do? It only becomes a problem when the people who are being asked the questions either refuse to reply or reply with big defensive 'how dare you criticise me/us/the festival/what we're trying to do?' without answering the actual questions in the first place.

So, my question to you is - what is there on Steve's seered site that you think is unfair? Can you provide any direct quotes?

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 06:15 AM

Well, where do I start?!.....

Guest 0709: Cups? I have to say here with my hand on my heart that I have never EVER worn a cup ANYWHERE about my person!! Are you getting me muddled up with Madonna perhaps? And if so, should you really be on this board??!!! PLEASE a little dignity!! After all I am a Sassy Sidmouth Woman and as such expect to be treated with good manners!

Steve: I think Sweet Kate maybe getting just a little worried!!! :-)
Ummm.....how can you report the facts about the facts when you don't actually KNOW what the facts are? Surely, the only people who know the REAL facts are those who are organising the very facts that you claim to know the facts about!!

Councillor Eddc: I think if you check YOUR facts you might find that the Council are reponsible for the Promenade, but the Beach belongs to God and His/Her People! Therefore all sleeping, skinny dipping, pebble throwing, barbecuing, camp fires and singing/dancing around said campfires cannot be stopped! If the beach is invaded by ANY Councillor, Politician.....or Seered Owner....then I personally will start the Folk Revolt which is fast brewing in this Magnificent Country of ours!!!!

And Spotty Dog, I'll make sure to leave a really good supply of Bonios in all the parks for you!!

Lizzie

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,Busted
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 11:34 PM

Quote: "They'll never find me" - Spotty Dog

Isn't that what Saddam said?

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,Spotty Dog
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 10:51 PM

What? No sleeping on the beach? I'll still find a corner of a park somewhere to bed down in my sleeping bag. They'll never find me.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,Councillor (EDDC)
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 10:08 PM

You're wrong Lizzie when you say people can sleep on the beach. Not next year they can't. The council intend clamping down on this and are insisting people must use fully licensed camp sites. As yet none of the normal festival campsites have been licensed. Any wishing to be will have to satisfy stringent health & safety conditions and show they have full public liability insurance cover and qualified 24-hour staffing with security personnel meeting the new EDDC / SIA training qualifications.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 07:09 PM

Still arguing kiddies - I'm not so sure this is all doing your cause any good.

Lizzie what size cup do you wear?

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: fiddler
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 06:54 PM

I will post more when I know more - at this point no guarantees - no names - nowt but waht it sez in the eariler post - and yes steve (harris not Sidmouth) your balls are what it is all about!

Cape Breton - the man is involved and some of his team have already volunteered but again nothing fixed or final.

As my old grandma used to say - There's many a slip twixt cup and lip!

Andy

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 02:46 PM

Sorry Lizzie, but Kate Rusby wins hands down in the affection stakes. I'm listening to 'Underneath the stars' as I type this. She can have me (but not all my money) any time she likes. In my dreams.......

The SeeRed website remains the only one that gives facts as they become known AND some good measure of analysis and perspective. Sorry to bore you with reality, but other people find it quite useful.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 06:03 AM

Hey Steve in Sidmouth, I have to bow to you AND 'Mr. and Mrs. Giggs'!!

What a lead-in to your site!!!! :-) :-) That was the best yet!!!
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) PLEASE don't forget to let Mr. and Mrs. Giggs know though, that Tony Day is still THE ONLY ONE who'd be able to tell them the REAL answer!

Do you know that you are now not only making my facial wrinkles go upwards,(!) but my chest is also beginning to creep back up towards my shoulders and away from my feet at long last!! This is SERIOUSLY BRILLIANT NEWS Steve!! Trust Me!!!! My feet were getting diabolically concerned everytime they 'looked up'!! They have now, however, been given the faint possibility of a whole new life!! :-) :-)

Could you also do something to help my hair, as it's costing me a fortune to colour all the time!!!! :-)

Please, please keep this Seered Soap going as long as possible as I think at this rate come 'The first week in August' I might just be able to pass myself off for Catherine Zeta Jones!!

Have you got a REALLY SASSY Show of Hands page on your website??
Now that WOULD be cool!!! Who wants to read about campsites when they can read wonderful things about SHOW OF HANDS! How about a
seered/folk!!SHOW OF HANDS.1,000.000.htm

Hell's Bell's! If the Sidmouth Folk Week 2005 turns out as enjoyable as this thread, then it won't just be Sidmouth that's packed out but Exmouth and Lyme Regis as well, maybe even as far away as Australia too! Brilliant! Brilliant! Brilliant! Whoooooo! :-)

Hey! And don't forget Guys! If the campsites are all booked up you can all always sleep 'Underneath The Stars' 'Kate Rusby Style' down on the beach! The kids and I went down the other night and lay on the pebbles and just stared at the stars, (Astronomy lesson!) and those pebbles just kind of 'mould' around you! Really comfy!

Got to dash!...........   

Loads of giggles!


Lizzie :-) :-)

PS Steve, is this 'post'also going to make it on to your site too? I hope you put in all those 'appropriate' comments!! :-) I'm beginning to think that you have a 'Secret Passion' for my 'scribbles'!!!

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 03:49 AM

For people uncertain of campsite arrangements, and others, the latest news (with comments as appropriate) on all aspects of Sidmouth 2005 will be found on http://www.seered.co.uk/folk51.htm

Any further questions, please ask away.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: steve_harris
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 06:52 PM

"Will the former campsite manager be doing his usual excellent job with his team around him?"

That nice man who said "I love your balls" to me? I hope so! :-)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: MBSLynne
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 12:04 PM

The camp site where we always stay will also be running as usual at Salcombe Regis, and the owner has a nother one which should be in operation near Waitrose. Plenty of places to camp!!

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Dave Earl
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 08:28 AM

Message for Fiddler,

So maybe the usual campsite will be operating.

Will the former campsite manager be doing his usual excellent job with his team around him?

I ask this because I know who he is and he should know who I am (from another newsgroup)

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 08:19 AM

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Giggs,

Really sad to hear that you can't even be bothered to e mail Tony Day about your 'camping' arrangements, although you can be bothered to come back to Mudcat and write. I would think that Tony Day is FAR too busy with other e mails from truly interested people to come on this board.

However, I'm very much afraid that I have to say that if you are prepared to 'give up' on Sidmouth so easily then perhaps you had better not come.

I know! I know! This DOES sound harsh, but the reason I say this Mr. and Mrs. Giggs is because Sidmouth Folk Week 2005 and Sidmouth Festivals 2006 and onwards need all the SUPPORT and LOVE that they can get!! Sidmouth 2005 does not need people who can't even be bothered to e mail Tony Day who will give them the answers which apparently they so crave.

I think some words that sum up, for me, the committment by so many people to continue this Precious Jewel of a Festival are from Mary Frye and Wilbur Skeels, you may have heard them before, but to me they are very appropriate to Sidmouth 2005 and for many many Festivals thereafter.....

Do not stand at my grave and weep,I am not there, I do not sleep.....
Do not stand at my grave and cry, I am not there, I did not die.....
I am the song that will never end, for I am the love of family and friend.

Please do not waste your opportunity to e mail Tony Day, Mr. and Mrs. Briggs, else you may find the camping site is full! I would be very upset if you missed 2005 for the wrong reasons.

Lizzie :-) :-)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: fiddler
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 08:18 AM

I've not read the whole of this thread but plans are afoot for a comp site in the usual place.

Currently that is jsut about all I can say.

Andy

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Blowzabella
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 04:59 AM

Quote > Thank you for that helpful advice Lizzie but we still don't know what is happening to the campsites.

And it would appear, 'Mr & Mrs Giggs', that you aren't that interested in finding out either

This really is getting silly...

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: GUEST,Tim & Anne Giggs
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 08:40 PM

Thank you for that helpful advice Lizzie but we still don't know what is happening to the campsites.

If none of the campsites are operating next year we won't be able to come to Sidmouth after all.

We see Mr. Day reads mudcat so hopefully he will enlighten us and assure us that all the usual campsites will be open again and will meet the health & aafety and insurance demands of the local council.

When we know about camping we will be able to write offering our services.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth 2005+ - news, info & support
From: Lizzie in SASSY SIDMOUTH!
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 02:23 PM

Hello Tim and Anne! It's really lovely to have a couple on here together! :-) Lovely to hear that you're both looking forward to coming to my town next year!

If you read the Sidmouth Folk Week 2005 Press Release, several messages above, you will see the name and address of Tony Day to whom you can write with your enquiries. I'll put the address below for you.

Tony Day, Harvest Home, 8 Underhill Crescent, Lympstone, Devon EX8 5JF, or you can e mail him, (again in the Press Release above) at Sidmouth Folk [e-mail]

I'm sure that he will be pleased to help you in any way he can. Oh and don't forget to leave the name of the person you spoke to at EDDC,
with him and then maybe this EDDC person will know exactly where to direct people next time, if further enquiries come through to them at the Council.

Please don't forget to spread the details of the above Press Release around to your friends and pass on any information that Tony Day is able to give you, as this will help your friends get the correct information as well! Every little bit helps after all!!

Really do hope that you enjoy the Sidmouth Folk Week 2005. Well done for raising this question. Isn't it brilliant how that Steering Committee has Tony Day to answer enquiries. Saves a lot of misinformation being given out!

Enjoy Yourselves! :-) :-)

Lizzie