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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: growler Date: 17 May 07 - 05:11 PM Bugger me, so is I |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Geordie-Peorgie Date: 17 May 07 - 05:05 PM "Drat me! - He's Nurdled!!" |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Growler Date: 17 May 07 - 10:22 AM If Ibremember rightly The Haywain used to hold Nurdling championships |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 16 May 07 - 06:47 PM Weren't 'Nurdling' and 'Dwile Flonking' invented by Michael Bentine? I saw his stage show at the Bournemouth Pavilion in the very early 60s (late 50s?) and one of the sketches featured those 'rural pastimes.' |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Geordie-Peorgie Date: 16 May 07 - 06:13 PM ye'll be pleased te knaah that Vince Hockey is alive and well and still mendin' Martin Guitars but aalso building 'Hockey Guitars' and mekkin' a grand job of it. Brian Hooper is retired from the mundane 9-5 and has just released a solo CD as well as a duo effort (with Jeff Henry - Both late of Cat's Whiskers')) of songs about Soothampton. Hooper is the consumate 'GENTLEMAN' and many years ago writ a book caaled "So You Want To Be A Folk Club MC?" He giv uz a copy (and signed it) when aah took ower from him as MC at The Fo'c'sle MANY years ago. I eventually passed it on te someone who was takin' ower as MC at Chichester - and aah signed it. The last aah heard it had been passed on with SEVENTEEN signatures in it! Not bad for a freebie eh? |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: RTim Date: 16 May 07 - 05:04 PM After all this time - I can't remember which is which ie. John Murfitt or Pat McMillian. One of them would often turn up at The Fo'c's'le wearing dark glasses because he was a welder or something? and regularly got "Arc-eye". I thought it strange, because at that time I too was a welder, but seldom suffered that fate. Now - am I right about that, or is it just time playing tricks with my memories? And which was which? One played Banjo and the other played Guitar. Tim Radford |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: growler Date: 16 May 07 - 04:23 PM Inertmale The rural pastimes you referred was ' Nurdling ' I can't remember what the objective was, as it was over 40 years ago, but I remember it involved ' dwile flunking ' and drinking cider. Somebody won and somebody lost, but they were both pissed,so it didn't matter |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Andy Jackson Date: 16 May 07 - 04:07 PM Paul Brier mentioned above, played with the "Phoenix Jug Band". I still have a copy of a fine demo tape I recorded for them. The Band also included Jackie Whitren. I am gradually unearthing several recordings of the early SOuthampton Folk scene, they may be the basis of a nostalgia CD someday. The nightmare of contacting all concerned is fairly mind boggling but we all love Mudcat don't we. Andy |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Peter green Date: 16 May 07 - 09:52 AM Still on the subject of Gutta Percha don't forget the song of The Woolston Ferry, now an historical document! Also RTim mentioned Dave Williams and Vic Wilton who also played with Vince Hockey as Vic, Vince & John. Vince, I understand, now makes fine guitars. He owned the first Martin I ever touched!!!!!!!!! Brian Hooper was playing there when I was a boy and I'm almost a hundred |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 11 May 07 - 09:51 AM Isn't it 'they say keep the party clean, 'cos you don't know where she's been'? |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: RTim Date: 11 May 07 - 09:39 AM Flaming June - words Mike Sadler, tune - Maggie May. Chorus: Oh, FlaminÕ FlaminÕ June you spoke half an hour to soon YouÕre a better man than I am Gunga Din When the sun shines bright on Totton The stench is something rotten, But itÕs better when the tide is coming in. I knew a man Silvester comes from somewhere near Winchester Had a row of 40 medals on his chest He came all the way from Tokyo and with a ////// Banjo And with //////// these skiffle types ///////// I was on my way to Fawley feeling somewhat poorly Cadged a fag off someone who I dare not name When I asked him for a light he sure gave me a fright He said climb up and get one off the Fawley Flame. Now I went to a party both Bohemian and arty All the local bums and parasites were there When some they had a nogginÕ The rest were merely snogginÕ TheyÕll be tipsy when they all come up for air. The morals of this nation give us cause for consternation //////////////// every day They say keep the party clean, so donÕt go where sheÕs been //////////////// next day. With all this radiation there is bound to be mutation And the sexual roles will have to be revised And if a woman lingers with a beast with 15 fingers She wonÕt be /////////////// SheÕll just be televised. ************************* Taken down - as well as possible! From a recording made by Ron Coe at Chichester College, Sussex in 1966. Performed by Dave Williams, Vic Wilton and Pete Mills. This track is available on the CD - YouÕre On Nipper: Dave Williams. This being a compilation of Dave Williams performances made after his death by Forest Tracks Records, of which Dave was a founding member. See: http://www.forest-tracks.co.uk/ Tim Radford |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 11 May 07 - 08:07 AM Just remembered - the melody to Flamin' June was Maggie May, not She'll be Coming Round the Mountains! |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: RTim Date: 11 May 07 - 08:04 AM Yes - David Williams was married to Christine Sadler and still lives locally. Flaming June is still sung by Geoff Jerram - and it is about TOTTON - the place of my berth! Sorry Phil, but your name does not ring bells with me, but it was all a very long time ago now. I have not lived in Hampshire since 1973, although I am often back there to visit my mother & sister who live in Marchwood & Hythe. Tim Radford |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 11 May 07 - 07:11 AM Yes, that was one of his - I'd forgotten it. The 'flamin' June bit was the chorus, though. The tune was a variant of 'She'll be coming round the mountain', and there was a verse about when being asked for a light, being told to 'climb up and get it off the bloody flame', meaning the flame at the Fawley oil refinery. Gutta was Mike Sadlier and his sister was married to Dave Williams. I think. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: scouse Date: 11 May 07 - 07:04 AM Was it Gutta Percha who use to sing...... Oh, flamin',flamin,June, you've spoke half an hour to soon, Your a better man than I am Gunga Din, When the Sun shines bright on Totten, The stench is somethin' rotten, But it's better when the Tide is comin' in.. Chorus... As I seem to remember... Oh,Jane,Oh, Jane, may I never smell your sweaty feet again, In the Factory were she works makin' glass eyes for the Turks, She my ////////////////////// Scarlet fevered Jane. Brian (Crabbe) Neville-Lee. john Paddy Brown,Jeff I remember well also Geoff Jerram. RTim I must have known you as well.. I lived down with John Murphitt for quite a while.. and went to all the clubs including one near or in Chandlers Ford if memory serves correct.. We used to sit on bales of hay an drink Cider and the Farmer used to put his sick cows behind the stage area..told me the music seemed to buck them up no end. As Aye, Phil Jackson. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST Date: 11 May 07 - 05:19 AM Mention of Paul Brier above - if it's the same guy, I played in a jug band with him (mostly at the Anvil, 1970), he played a banjolin and/or harmonica; later on morphed into a fine electric blues guitarist (worked with Bob Pearce, who back in '70 played washboard at the Anvil) - jeez, that's a long time ago... |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 10 May 07 - 07:36 PM Richard Thrift, Tim. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: RTim Date: 10 May 07 - 05:28 PM The old club room at the back of The Haywain was very important to me when I started being involved in folk song and dance. The Bi-weekly dances were where I started singing with Helen Woodall (in the interval) and I met Alfie Woodall and Derek Binstead and we were all founding members of Tyneham Morris (of Christchurch) and with our female partners, we were all members of The Haywainers dance group led by Paddy Searle. I also remember, but didn't go that often, the Friday night sessions with Sarah & The Sinnermen? Is that right? Helen Woodall and her then singer partner - Richard? used to sing during the break, as did sometimes my old friend and main influence- Dave Williams. Great times and many memories. Tim Radford |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: inertmale Date: 10 May 07 - 11:40 AM Just a note to say that I remember the Bay Tree Inn at the junction of East Park Terrace and the road to Bitterne. It had completely black decor in my day and the beer was "Gales" and always had a slight metallic tinge to my palate. I also remember the "Hay Wain" at Cadnam and the rural Games held there. Anyone else remember? |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Geordie-Peorgie Date: 23 Mar 07 - 01:34 PM The Fo'c's'le is on the move again Havin' been at the 'Wellington' for ten years they are now moving to The Richmond Inn' in Portswood, Southampton from 23rd March. Since aah took ower MC from Brian Hopper aall those years ago it's moved aboot eight times in aall Good on Jane & Trevor et al for keepin' it gannin' |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Peter Green Date: 23 Mar 07 - 11:20 AM My Favourite Gutta Percha song was 'Dancing to the Eve of Destruction' about Pan's People dancing to the 60s hit 'Eve of Destruction' by Barry McGuire. I think it was irony at its best. The Foc's'l'e spent a few months in an upstairs room used by the Order of Buffalos Its now the West key car park. Anyone remeber the pubs name? Incidentally Ted Duckett, of spoons fame, worked for my dad! |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 23 Mar 07 - 10:59 AM Spelt Gutta Percha, I think, Peter. I can still remember some of his song, The Great Skiffle Disaster, sung to the tune of the Gresford Disaster. I think the first verse went: You've heard of the skiffle disaster Took place at a local hotel A hundred and one skifflers turned up Was there an audiunce? was there Hell... also A hundred washboard players Had brought their washboards along With their thimbles in place and a smile on their face They rendered that old worried song.... |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Peter Green Date: 23 Mar 07 - 10:31 AM Ah yes I remember it well. I cut my folk teeth with all those familiar names until I fled to the Isles of Scilly in '66 Returned in early 70s to Cutty Wren and some MCing with Alan (?) Rutter. Also there was Roger Bucknel who went on to make some exceedingly good guitars. What no mention of Guta Purcha (spelling) or Vic, Vince & John (Vince makes a fair guitar also) Could reminisce for hours from here in Poole |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,long suffering fiddle player/wife Date: 16 Mar 07 - 02:17 PM He means 1976!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Dave Ingledew Date: 16 Mar 07 - 01:33 PM Hi All, Sibby is still alive and well, after retiring from the folk scene for about 15 years he came to The Bursledon Village Band's 20th birhday bash and decided to start calling again. He calls with us fairly regularly, travelling from darkest Essex where he now resides to sunny Hampshire. He's still a star !! I can remember so many evenings when he's had us in stitches by a simple comment he's made to one of the dancers. BTW it The BVB's 30th this May, we're having a dance and workshops at Hamble Memorial Hall. Check out www.bursledonvillageband.co.uk if you're interested. We'll always be grateful to the F'o'c's'l'e' for providing the oportunity to get the band started in November 1996. Cheers to you all. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Scrump Date: 16 Mar 07 - 09:03 AM Ah! Dave Betteridge - I'm pretty sure that was him, because as I said, I did see him doing solo gigs, as well as appear with the duo, so his name would have been announced. So it must have been the Dixie Ramblers. I wasn't sure before, but I'm pretty sure you're right. Does anyone know what happened to them? Thanks to all who have provided info, and apologies for hijacking the thread Tim! |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,John Paddy Browne Date: 15 Mar 07 - 03:54 PM To answer Scrump's query of 14 March, it was indeed The Dixie Ramblers: Dave Betteridge (banjo) and Derek Glasspool (guitar). They occasionally used a bass-player (acoustic) whose name escapes me. The Dixies appeared on the very first Forest Tracks album, FIRST TRACKS, and this is now available again on CD, with original cover and sleeve-notes, from Forest Tracks. Also on this album: Helen Woodall, Dave Williams, Ted Duckett and Harmonious Blacksmith. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Geordie-Peorgie Date: 14 Mar 07 - 05:15 PM Paul Hawkins is still around but doesn't 'club' any mair Steve Nunn now lives in Cornwall in his wee recording studio Gary Nunn still does kid's entertainment at festivals etc And Dave Ingledew is still a leading light in The Bursledon Village Band - One of the most consistent and wunnerful bands aroond. Not heard of Sibby for a great many years. Nice story for anyone who knaahs Sooty Broughton - Lynch-pin of the Railway Folk Club for 300 years - At Brian Ingham's funeral Sue Apicella's hubby saw Sooty and said, "By Heck, George Wilson's let himself go, hasn't he?" |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: growler Date: 14 Mar 07 - 04:21 PM Scrump I think the tall guy was Paul Brier, I went to school with him, but havn't had contact with him since the late sixties. I remember him going into Chappel music shop and asked to try out a banjo. He ended up blocking the street and was warned by the local plod that he was causing an obstruction |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Andy Jackson Date: 14 Mar 07 - 01:12 PM Tim: Alan White hasn't changed a bit! He ran the Sidmouth campsite for years, now runs the very succesful Wareham Wail and is a moving force in the revamped Sidmouth Festival. Like I say, he's not changed a bit, the same twinkle in his eye even. Andy |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Andy Jackson Date: 14 Mar 07 - 12:49 PM Just to throw a few more names from the time into the pot... Paul Hawkins - Steve Nunn, brother of Gary. Colin Grant-Adams, Dave Ingledew, Sibby. Not wishng too blatant a plug, have a look at Forest Tracks Andy I think the Foc's'l'e LP "Residents Night Out" is also available as a cd now. Incidentally I've contacted Cecil SHarpe House to see if the Christchurch Festival film is available to hire or even purchase. Andy |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: RTim Date: 14 Mar 07 - 12:02 PM I think this thread started as a question about a folk club in Southampton - only later was it highjacked as an identification question - which some have tried to answer! |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Scrump Date: 14 Mar 07 - 10:18 AM Bah! I went to the trouble of finding this thread and reviving it, to ask about these two guys I remember, and it's been hijacked by these queries about other artists! Still that's Mudcat for you! Maybe I'll try again in a few days... :-) |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: RTim Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:55 AM Yes - The George, we used to have the folk club and our morris practices there in the "Barn" - even with a pole in the middle of the floor. Helen Woodall and I were filmed by the BBC at the 1971 or 72 Christchurch Folk Fest in the courtyard you mention, and a friend gave me a copy of the film on DVD last year. It is great to look around the audience and see who you remember. Tim Radford |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: bubblyrat Date: 14 Mar 07 - 09:27 AM I played with Helen & The Old Pull & Push in Studland a few years back--It was a dance for a youth-group called " Crusaders ", they were unbelievably energetic, & wanted to dance all night !! We collapsed around midnight, and the youngsters all dashed down to the beach for a swim ! The folk-club that I played in ,in Christchurch, up until 2 years ago, was in the "Barn Bar " in the courtyard of the "George " on the roundabout, up near the Priory. Once a year, there would be a big "session" in the courtyard, a remnant of the defunct "Christchurch Folk Festival " --A shadow of its former self !! Part of the "Barn Bar" has now been turned into a rather cissy gift shop, although at the time that I left, they were still having bands playing there on friday nights---Murphy"s Lore , Mary Jane, Lady Winwoods Maggot et al, but the actual "sessions " are now held in "The Ship ", opposite the Regent Centre. Ask Mudcatter "Lilly",-- she knows more about Christchurch than anyone else alive today !! (That is a compliment, by the way !! ) |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Scrump Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:29 AM Regarding Banjo playing, etc. two-some - Do you mean The Dixie Ramblers? or at least some of them (there were 3 of them whose names I can't remember)? Or are you thinking of Murfitt & McMillan who used to play at The Focsle? Unfortunately, the names you give don't ring any bells. Some of them may be correct, it's just that I can't remember at all what they were called, although I saw them several times and played on the same 'bill' as them on many occasions. I never went to the Foc'sle. The clubs I played at were in Basingstoke (at the Hop Leaf Hotel), Swaythling, Hook and Fleet (i.e mainly in N Hants, except the Swaythling one). As I said in another post, I think those 4 clubs were all run by the same guy, whose name I also can't remember - all I remember about him was that he wasn't a performer himself, and used to wear dark glasses all the time (even indoors in a dingy folk club). Either he thought it was cool, or he had an eye problem! If anyone can remember this guy, or anything else, I'd be grateful. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:21 AM Hi Geoff - just to let you know John has moved to France! I suggested to him that he and I do a spot together at one of the Breton festivals. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Broadside Man Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:05 AM I am happy to report that Alan White is a live and well and indeed running the campsite, again, and a lot more at Sidmouth. Alan also took on the Wareham Wail after Wareham Folk Harvest finished in the early nineties. The Wail first took place at Stoborough school before moving to a site just outside Wareham at Worget. The wail under Alan has now moved to Verwood. Terry, I last saw John Edmonds a few years ago. We both worked for BT at the time and John had formed a little band that played regularly at the Catherine Wheel just outside Christchurch. John was kind enough to come over to East stoke for a fund raising event i was running for Greenpeace. Geoff Payne |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:28 AM Tim - John Edmonds (Dorset accent) had a good voice and a liking for Irish material. Brilliant harmony singer - his harmonies were almost new melodies. Jimmy Melville was Scots and his preference was towards Country music. They were a good duo, though. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: RTim Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:13 AM Regarding Banjo playing, etc. two-some - Do you mean The Dixie Ramblers? or at least some of them (there were 3 of them whose names I can't remember)? Or are you thinking of Murfitt & McMillan who used to play at The Focsle? Terry - I don't remember either Jihn Edmonds or Jimmy Melville - what did they play? Best - Tim Radford |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:07 AM Alan's still around, still living in the same house in Parkstone/Newtown. I've seen him a few times recently although I think the last was at Ringwood in January 2006 when Martin Carthy was the guest. I may also have seen him at Sidmouth in August but I'm not certain - met a lot of people there that I know/used to know. Tim - do you remember John Edmonds and Jimmy Melville? They were Christchurch based. Scrump - the tall, thin banjo playing one sounds like Richard Thrift. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: RTim Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:01 AM Helen Woodall was my singing partner too for a number of years until I moved to Oxfordshire in 1972. We were also, with are spouses, founding members of Twynham Morris of Christchurch, along with Alan White, who used to run the Folk Club in the same very small space we practiced. I can't remember the name of the pub - can anyone help me - and what ever happened to Alan? I heard he was helping at one time to run the campsite at Sidmouth and that he may? be now involved with the Wareham singing sessions? I haven't seen him for well over 30 years! Tim Radford |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Scrump Date: 14 Mar 07 - 06:52 AM Another bit of reminiscence of artists on the Hants folk scene in the late 1960s, that I hope someone will be able to help with: There was a duo, two guys, who used to play bluegrass-type music. One was tall and thin, with curly black hair and a beard, and played 5-string banjo; and the other was shorter and more stocky, with red hair and beard. The shorter guy used to sing with a pretty good tenor voice, IIRC. I also saw the tall guy appear as a solo act on his own, but I can't remember seeing the other guy on his own. I don't know whether they split up as a duo at that time, or what. I saw them several times in the clubs I used to frequent (mentioned elsewhere), around 1968-9. Does this description ring any bells? Can anyone name these guys, or remember anything else about them? |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 12 Mar 07 - 05:47 AM Helen Woodall - still around, part of the Old Pull and Push band. In the 'olden days' she was part of a duo with Richard Thrift called......Richard and Helen. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Andy Jackson Date: 11 Mar 07 - 07:41 PM Helen Woodall |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 11 Mar 07 - 05:40 PM If it was to be about Hampshire clubs, then don't forget Bournemouth. We were a Hampshire club until 1974 when we suddenly found ourselves in Dorset. Probably for the better, though. It's a superior county.....says he, who was (and is)from the Poole side of the border. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Andy Jackson Date: 11 Mar 07 - 05:38 PM Hi John-Paddy and Crabbe. Yes, Yes, lets get a book of the early Southampton folk scene onto the starting blocks. With mudcat etc we have a wonderful gathering device we could have only dreamed of all those years ago. I have been brushing the dust off a whole batch of 1/4 tapes from that era, try these names for size. Dave Brittain, Roger Carmen, Ron Vardey, Mo Thomas. Mo is still around I know but never when I make one of my visits down south. Paul Mc Neil and Linda Peters, Tim and Maddy, the list goes on. I even have a recording of the night the Anvil reopened!! Exiles etc. JEM of course has memories and tales enough to fill the second volume after JPB. Great to hear from you both, Andy |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: growler Date: 11 Mar 07 - 04:59 PM I seem to remember being at tha Blacksmiths Arms, when Tim Hart and Maddie Prior, where recording 'The Horn of The Hunt' for a radio show, and a lady, obviously the aforesaid Nicky, trying to sell rafle tickets, without her voice sounding on tape. Having deserted Hampshire for Kent in 1972, I would love to see John Paddy's idea, come to fruition |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: GUEST,Crabbe Date: 11 Mar 07 - 04:33 PM Just for the sake of completeness and harking back to the Anvil, Blacksmith's Arms, Shirley (previously the Fennario, at a pub in East Street the name of which escapes me). The three people notionally running the club were me (now happily settled in Worcester), Robin Parker (now happily settled in Norfolk) and Jon Heslop (now happily settled in Cornwall) - I say notionally, because where would we have been without my wife Nicky who sold more raffle tickets than you could shake a stick at in those days? Come to think of it she still does. Jon, Robin and I performed as "Omen" and then later when Jon dropped out, Robin and I became "Volume II". Jon still writes and sings and so do I, not sure about Robin. I love John Paddy's idea about a history of Southampton folk clubs and would be plleased to contribute to same if anyone wants to pick up the baton. |
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Subject: RE: Pear Tree Inn Southampton From: Scooby Doo Date: 09 Mar 07 - 04:23 PM I know Miskin Man has the old Cuttty Wren model in my old lounge. Scooby |
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