It's Our Little Club (comment)

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 02:06 AM

Richard:
       I've been trying to stop doing that because people keep telling me it's wrong. Is there a difference between Canadian and British grammar in this regard?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 01:58 AM

"Some of the best educated people I ever knew went into libraries to keep warm in the Great Slump, started on Rabelais for the smut, and were still skilled debaters in the 70s."

The above sentence is correct. The commas in that sentence are of the type known are "parenthetical commas" since they perform the function of parentheses. Parenthetical commas must be paired.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Hawker
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:22 PM

Countess Richard, I think maybe that you have looked and seen something that is not there, 'intruders' as you call them are more than welcome at Miskin, I was an intruder there myself a few years ago, and was made very welcome, that is the magic of Miskin, everyone is friendly, the booked artists mix in with the ticket buyers and as it is all on one site, by the end of the 4 day event, everybody knows pretty much everybody, and has, in the main enjoyed everybodies company. Young and old play and sing together, the camp fire burns all weekend and a real sharing community builds up throughout the weekend. I look forward to it because it doesn't smack of commercialism, its not that I am against commercialism, but it is refreshing to go to an event where the emphasis really is on enjoyment not profit. As I have heard said in the past.....'Don't knock it 'till you've tried it!
With regard to this thread, Maybe it is our little club, this folkie world, but there again, move in classical music circles and there is a definate'club' there too, I am sure the same can be said of all genres of the music world. Personally I find that sad. I like to embrace all types of music and share the enjoyment, I admire the tenacity of those that ran sidmouth and who now do run sidmouth, It is a HUGE event, but not for me, as I have said before, as it is, ticket wise, out of my price range. I have visited on the fringe and enjoyed myself greatly. But as has been said on another thread, the fringe element are, to a point a contentious issue, are they spongeing on those who pay for the tickets? I wouldn't want to be accused of that, its purely that financially my situation means I can not do otherwise.
Finally, I personally laughed out loud at the first post in this thread, we all surely know someone like this, or have seen shades of this attitude, maybe at some point we have been guilty of it ourselves, but hey, It shows we care and are passionate about what we enjoy! Lets not hate each other for that, lets embrace it and get on with the music - I am sure as hell Id rather do that than bicker and fall out over a wry comment by a person too scared to post under their own name - a thing I am proud to say i have never done or been tempted to do!
I'm off back to the clubhouse, anyone care to join me for a tune and a song?!!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 06:20 PM

""started on Rabelais for smut and, were still skilled debaters in the 70s"

I suppose that, collectively, the well educated people that you referred to could be termed mass - debaters.

During your perfect education were you never told not to use an apostrophe before "and" ?????? "

That is a mistaken understanding of the correct use for commas (which I expect is what you meant when you said apostrophes). The comma comes before a conjunction when it is used to join two independent clauses. In the case you quoted, the second clause is not independent, so no comma should go there; in fact, putting one there is wrong. Richard's usage is correct. FYI.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 05:37 PM

I haven't come to explain the workings of Sidmouth 2005 - I wasn't there, and I wouldn't presume to speak for the committee. I'm just somebody who wandered in recently, the latest of johnny-come-latelies, who's helping out with a bit of fundraising.
Though I will say the committee has some very lovely, extremely dedicated people on it.

You'll be pleased to hear that Shooting Roots is back this year, Diane.

I agree that what was achieved in 2005 - and indeed in 2006 - was extraordinary. I can't get the same perspective on the situation as someone who's been attending for many years, but anyone who knows the background of what happened - the withdrawal of both Mrs Casey and a very large council grant - will surely marvel that the new committee even had the will to make the festival carry on. To have achieved success on the level they have should inspire the respect and admiration of the folk community as a whole.

Now, I can understand that Sidmouth came to mean something very specific to people - the international dimension, and the arena, setting it apart from other festivals. But if you look at the evolution of Sidmouth from the very beginning, you begin to see it not as a static event, but one that has gone through many incarnations in its long and extraordinary history.

I reckon this is the beginning of its latest incarnation. What it is now is not necessarily what it will remain, and I think it will develop a new identity over the next few years - distinct from the Steve Heap years, perhaps, but hopefully still unique and special. I think when an organisation goes through large-scale change, there's a period of stabilisation that needs to take place before progress can happen. Well, actually becoming a new organisation, as the "new Sidmouth" has, is about as monumental as a change can get!

Sidmouth's survival instinct is pretty extraordinary. And what I'm trying to say is, don't write it off yet as "just another town-based festival". It's still finding its feet, and wonderful things may well be on the horizon.

I have to say that what I experienced last year was very special. And outward-looking. And welcoming and inclusive. It was one of the best festival experiences of my life. I turned up feeling a complete interloper, knowing hardly a soul, and left with loads of wonderful new friends and feeling like Sidmouth now belonged to me, too. And so looking forward to 2007! Though as I'm cottaging this year, I shan't be watching sun comes up over the campsite. It's high time I acted my age. :)

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 05:19 PM

"Why?"

"It's Our Little Club" ???!!!! :-)





Don't worry, the door's not locked....

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 04:22 PM

Now that Mrs Route is out of sight it might be as well to examine the precise premise of the opening post.

It surprises me that so many assumed that she was the author because her oft-expressed assumption is that anyone who goes out gigging makes loads of money for a couple of hours work a night and thus (for some unexplained reason) ought to be on continuous rotation on prime-time radio and thus become megastars,

She also, bizarrely, amasses her spam behind those very people who throw their arms up in horror whenever a festival management pulls the plug because of unsupportable financial risk and declare that it must continue, even when the limit of their contribution is to lurk in pubs the whole time and never buy a ticket.

So it was with Beverley and then, in 2005, with Sidmouth, the year when she discovered (or rather invented) her vocation. The ever-so-loosely associated co-ordinating committee formed after Steve Heap's departure in 2004, to carry Sidmouth forward decided to plan for a 2006 revival, this being the timescale considered necessary. Others thought otherwise and pressed on to cobble together a disparate collection of unco-ordinated events lacking an overall season ticket or any international acts. Somewhere along the way, the original committee did a volte-face shrouded in mystery (though I'm sure Ruth will be along to explain it) and joined in the organisation (or lack thereof). Wholly miraculously, this 'folk week' did not go tits up but actually finished with a small profit.

It is my criticism of the potential horrendous folly of pressing ahead in 2005 that Mrs Route lambasts me for. And for repeating that the result, though not an unmitigated disaster, was merely a run-of-the-mill, town-based festival like any other and NOT Sidmouth.

Because to me, Sidmouth is spectacular international dance, bands from all over the world and Shooting Roots workshops. It's a week without sleep and feet rarely touching the ground because there's so much to do and see. And it's where English music is showcased on a par with the rest. Thankfully, it is showing signs of regaining some of that status which is just as well as WOMAD is about to be sidelined to a remote field.

What I'm talking about is the kind of festival Sidmouth was, outward-looking and the complete antithesis of that typified in the initial post. I know nothing of Miskin but, having looked at posts on another thread it seems that attendees look forward to a weekend of just them and no 'intruders', thank you. Can't see how that helps to 'get the music out there', though this may well be the way they want it. Why?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Sparticus
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 02:17 PM

Richard Bridge

"started on Rabelais for smut and, were still skilled debaters in the 70s"

I suppose that, collectively, the well educated people that you referred to could be termed mass - debaters.

During your perfect education were you never told not to use an apostrophe before "and" ??????

Try harder Richard, "Anyone can learn."

Yours, tongue in cheek, Wayn

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:51 AM

No shit!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Surreysinger
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:49 AM

"This must surely bring this thread to an end"
Please... that would be good!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:28 AM

Sorry Observer, but as long as you are not logging in under your handle, this is the only way to contact you, and I still have questionmarks:

You say you wanted to provoke more than internecine warfare; but I am still not sure of your initial objective. Was it to explore the possibilities of a new folk evangelism? Has your question been answered, or was there more? I, for one, am always in favour of folk evangelism, even if some of its aspects might be as foreign to me as the religious sort.

Why not start a new thread clarifying the question better, perhaps even under your proper handle - have courage, man (or lady)!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,The Observer
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:36 AM

This must surely bring this thread to an end. Any sensible discussion on the possibilities for a new folk evangelism, bringing our wonderful music to greater numbers seems to have been fully explored. I guess folk will remain our little club. I did want to provoke more than internecine warfare between Mudcatters.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 06:38 AM

Lizzie displays great enthusiasm - perhaps even to excess - this can definitely get up some people's noses. From the little observation I have had of her on this place, she also does not accept 'correction' lightly - she see it as 'attacking criticism' - and then pushes harder to 'justify her ignorance' of things others know from experience.

I knew one other such female person who presented herself like Lizzie - she was not as clever as she thought she was - she tried to pretend 'I was her boyfriend' - and spread that story all around - which took me great effort and much pain, because people also believed 'that I was being nasty to her - as I said she wasn't as clever as she thought, cause I guessed that she wanted to move in my house with me, and was able to drive in a different direction when she persuaded me 'to pick her up' - seven suitcases was a bit of a give away.... :-)
anyway she jumped out of the car, and the last I saw her, she was being picked up for her own safety by a police car....

If 'Sam' wants to associate himself with Lizzie, that's HIS business.

I have developed over the years an increasing spelling hassle while typing - without ieSPell, I can't even SEE the typos at the time - it is a physical disorder - and I can't use other browsers, cause they don't allow similar useful plugins I need....

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 05:12 AM

Second, if you can't even spell "Wayne's World" or "Spartacus" you have a problem. Get an education

In view of discussions about this earlier this week on Mudcat you will forgive me if I do not let this pass Richard.

Some people do have specific learning difficulties and spelling can be one of them.

It is very dangerous to suggest to someone that because they manifest a difficulty spelling or reading they need education. Dangerous because they may then stay clear of all education when with some remedial help they could be great achievers. Often the amount of help needed can be tiny and simply changing the colour of the paper they use or of the computer screen they watch sometimes makes a huge difference. It really is that simple. (For those who have never heard of this before, various shades of green or salmon pink are usually the ones that work best).

Secondly it is also dangerous because the local authority can be sued for not providing for this and as council-tax payers we could ultimately pay for their neglect. I have acted in a witness in such a case and the authority did not test it in court.

Many of the mature students I dealt with in an FE college had exactly this problem and were having a second go at education. Many went on to higher education including doctorates.

Telling them at interview to "get educated" would not have been a good idea.

There are many people with this problem who have a record of high achievement in a whole variety of areas and who have become famous in their field. I shan't bother you with a list, if you are that interested there are plenty on the web.

NOTE TO READERS

I have not attacked Richard personally as I am sure he would agree. I have not misquoted him or twisted his words. They have been taken directly from his post without alteration. I have simply disagreed with him. It is allowed.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Scrump
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 04:06 AM

You know, George, Scrump, and Guest, I don't entirely agree: I've looked back over this discussion, and there are very few posts directly attacking the poster you are apparently defending now she's gone.

Bee - just to set the record straight: I was not defending Lizzie, or anyone else for that matter. What I said was:

Remember all your comments are preserved here - I wonder when you look back at them if you will still be as proud of them as you were when you posted them.

You can certainly see a very different side to some people in threads like this, and not a very pleasant one at that.

I was merely pointing out, as I think George was, that some posters have not left behind a very favourable impression of themselves, and perhaps as George says, of the British folk community, by their postings in this thread.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 02:55 AM

And why not, Peace?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 12:03 AM

God Save the Queen.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:54 PM

"This isn't clubbism or social exclusion. Slumcult does society no favours."


I have to agree. I think that the folk scene is welcoming - I've never found it otherwise - but what's wrong with hoping that people are going to want to acquire a little knowledge along the way? Since when did learning become about snobbery?

I hate that whole prolier-than-thou ethos which suggests that accessibility is the be-all and end-all. Well, some things are meant to be a bit harder, and will take time and effort to understand.

Usally, they're the things most worth having.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:49 PM

like the FRINGE thread , this one is full of mis readings of posts , Misinterpreting of posts and total CRAP ! It gives a very bad (And totally false) impression of what the UK folk scene is all about !

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:44 PM

Growler, first I don't think it's true (apart from the gravest sin of supporting Gillingham) but in any case it's not folk, that's country.

Second, if you can't even spell "Wayne's World" or "Spartacus" you have a problem. Get an education. Some of the best educated people I ever knew went into libraries to keep warm in the Great Slump, started on Rabelais for the smut, and were still skilled debaters in the 70s. Anyone can learn. Of course, Growler, their politics differed from yours.

Generally ignorance is not a virtue. When you know and understand, you may discard or condemn. Until then you merely display your ignorance. I don't theorise about hairdressing, or assert that a mophead is as "good" as skilled coiffure. If I led the great revolution, and overthrew the government, would I appoint as my chancellor someone with no knowledge of economics? Would I let someone with no maths design a box-girder bridge?

This isn't clubbism or social exclusion. Slumcult does society no favours.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:08 PM

I've just read through my contributions to this thread, and feel okay about them. I attacked no one, but I certainly
had a few nasty personal remarks chucked my way. I tried to stick to the discussion and to be engaged and polite, even when contributing criticism (that's still allowed, isn't it?) but I still incurred Lizzie's wrath, personal attacks and vitriol.

But apparently that's okay, because Lizzie is the victim in all this.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 06:14 PM

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,imposter devil's advocate - PM
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 05:35 PM

"..the two things I am most likely to kick off about are musical ignorance..", Countess Richard 04:23PM.

It's our little club. QED

How does anyone join the club, and what does one have to do to become 'valid' in your eyes?

Lizzie, when you post on here you make yourself obvious. The reason is that you are not perfect in your grammar and punctuation. So it is obvious that it is you.

And you still haven't explained why the Albion Chronicles has copyrighted material that is plagiarised.

NOTE TO READERS.

This is not a personal attack on Lizzie nor is it bullying. It is not about her, it is about her writing and her plagiarism.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: skipy
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 06:01 PM

See posts two & three, then it got closed, then I sent a "well done" to Joe for closing it, then it got combined & opened again, I respect Joe & all the so called clones, whoever they / you are, BUT this was going to end in tears, enshrined in our living rooms, offices, we can be a bunch of bitches, sad really when in theory we all have the same purpose, that of the love of the music. We all come in from a slightly differant angles, collectively we are strong and determined, when one of "OURS" is in pain we are there thick & fast and yet we still find time to fight, if we could harness the energy that we often waste we could increase the profile of the music or are we to insular to do that?
Skipy

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,imposter devil's advocate
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 05:35 PM

"..the two things I am most likely to kick off about are musical ignorance..", Countess Richard 04:23PM.

It's our little club. QED

How does anyone join the club, and what does one have to do to become 'valid' in your eyes?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: growler
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 04:53 PM

Here here

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 04:23 PM

I have made only one previous post in this thread and that was to the effect that if Mrs Route has really gone (and preferably into therapy) I'd be immensely relieved.

I only looked at the thread after someone drew my attention to the breathtakingly cretinous piece of bilge signed 'Sam's Lizzie' and decided to ignore it, assuming that it would be universally regarded with mass shaking of heads.

George remarks that he knows and likes various people on this thread and I believe that includes me. He is aware that the two things I am most likely to kick off about are musical ignorance and threats to artists' intellectual property.

I have now read the whole thread which unfolds as the most appalling display yet of Mrs Route's failure to grasp, as a result of complete self-absorption and lack of self-awareness, any notion whatsover of musical history, sources or attribution, nor indeed, of how to behave as a human being or act ethically.

She makes wholly ridiculous and wildly erroneous assumptions about Celtic music, the early English collectors and everyone around who knows just a bit more than she does (not hard).

With immense patience, several people have attempted to explain simply, without a trace of ridicule, how her massively offbeam assertions are just plain wrong, as in another thread the same was attempted to counter her wildly dangerous educational theories. Of course Dave reiterates that he won't withdraw a word; he knows what he's talking about and he's right.

I despair of unbalanced postings from those such as the imposter Devil's Advocate, and indeed, of George, who I can only assume has failed to read the thread or else has taken way too much ouzo. Nobody's been 'nasty' to Mrs Route but have instead deconstructed her deranged ramblings and tried to point her towards some semblance of sanity. No use. While she's out there searching in paranoid fashion for the non-existent 'folk police' she's likely to be nabbed by the 'web police'. Now, they do exist . . .

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 04:01 PM

Let it go!

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Sparticus
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:58 PM

"Sam's world is my world."

I prefer "Wayn's World"

AS for Lizzie's parting shots, I've never read such a load of old tosh. Melodramatic or what? Sam is probably flitting at this moment in time, in a vain attempt to escape the fate that has befallen him. Oh, and another fine example she is setting in her role as home educator. Agh! enough.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:49 PM

Gillingham? He has to ASK for help. It's completely out of your hands until he admits he has a problem. Try "Villans Anonymous".
Cheers
Jim

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:46 PM

Are you sure you shouldn't be a blues singer?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: growler
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:44 PM

Like Barden, I started playing folk late, at 50 actualy, since then my wife has left me, Ive lost my house,Ive had a mental breakdown, and worst of all, my son supports Gillingham

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:39 PM

Life's too short, Chris.
And getting shorter.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:36 PM

George, you are always the voice of reason. I've never known you be nasty about anyone.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:30 PM

Bee, I make no exception for Lizzie or anyone else, so don't think that I am taking sides in all this - I honestly am not. Indeed, many of those involved are people I like, and face-to-face they are great to be with. But somehow when we get behind a screen and a keyboard different personas emerge, a little like the mild-mannered person becoming a road-rage-freak behind the wheel of a car.

Like any newcomer would, I judged this thread on its own merits, and out of any other context. It matters not what private conversations have been held in the past through PMs or emails, or on other threads or other boards. Any Aussie or American 'catter simply reading this thread can only come away with a dire view of our folk community, and as many of those involved are friends (or I would like them to be), this simply makes me sad.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 02:26 PM

Could I just point out that the previous posting of Guest:devil's advocate was not related in any way shape or form to previous postings that I have made on this or other threads under this name (please note use of Upper case letters) . I have _not_ made an incredible 180 degree turn about, and heartily agree with the points made by Bee and Chris Murray.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 02:18 PM

I'll bow to your greater experience in that Richard :-)

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 01:18 PM

The withdrawal method leads to nervous disorders anyway.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 12:55 PM

Lizzie has hounded people on this board.

She has hounded people off this board.

She has interfered with people's professional and personal lives.

She needed professional help and a number of people including me have suggested that to her.

She takes not notice of decent people's advice. And she hasn't.

She said she would desist and she hasn't. Some people have been extremely patient with Lizzie and some have been even more patient and some have been less patient.

I have reread every single post I have made to this thread. I withdraw nothing.

Dave Eyre

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 12:55 PM

The above guest was me! Pressed the wrong button. The trouble with Lizzie was that she got people's backs up. I tried very hard to reason with her but got a load of very personal abuse which I didn't feel I deserved. The main issue she has with me is that I'm a teacher and, therefore, I represent everything that Lizzie thinks is wrong with the education system. It's that sort of thing that makes people turn on her.

I actually think that she was enjoying the arguments at first but then suddenly became upset and left the board.

She has left the board before and returned so I hope she will this time.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Bee
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 12:47 PM

You know, George, Scrump, and Guest, I don't entirely agree: I've looked back over this discussion, and there are very few posts directly attacking the poster you are apparently defending now she's gone. Disagreeing, yes, but there was a lot to disagree with. The reponses to simple disagreemnet, were somewhat over the top and melodramatic, for sure. I see no point in discussing the departed, but also no point in castigating the rest of us. YMMV.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Scrump
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 12:22 PM

I agree with George and GUEST.

Remember all your comments are preserved here - I wonder when you look back at them if you will still be as proud of them as you were when you posted them.

You can certainly see a very different side to some people in threads like this, and not a very pleasant one at that.

And I don't mind saying that under my usual Mudcat name; I feel no need to sign out as GUEST has done.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 12:21 PM

You'll find the recipe for hypocrite pie on the other thread.

If Mrs Route has really pissed off to Canada (or anywhere), I won't be gloating or celebrating.
She's left behind far too much harm and damage to people and to music.
But I'll be extremely relieved if it's actually true.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 12:13 PM

"When the oak tree has fallen, everyone claims some wood" (Greek proverb).
Agree GUEST,devil's advocate, not much to be proud of in the whole thread. For anyone.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: GUEST,devil's advocate
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 12:04 PM

Now, that was messy.

Those of you openly celebrating and gloating at Lizzie's demise really should be feeling sheepish; the behavior of many on this thread (and a couple of others) is shocking. You have singled out Lizzie and have treated her badly; bullying at it's worst.

The irony of the initial post "It's Our Little Club" has rung true across many of the 150 or so posts - you didn't want Lizzie and have hounded her out.

Take a look at yourselves, it's pretty disgraceful.

Guest; a long term signed up member who wishes to remain anonymous

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 10:30 AM

"At some point it becomes lèse–majesté to slag a person who's left the party."

What - you're supposed to wait till they leave?

Maybe that explains the interesting atmosphere at most of the parties I attend...

:D

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Bee
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 10:30 AM

Way past time, IMO. It's teasing, is not nice, and only invites retaliation/return.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: skipy
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 10:10 AM

wait for it.........................................NOW!
Skipy

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Peace
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 09:56 AM

At some point it becomes lèse–majesté to slag a person who's left the party. Are we near that point yet?

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: Scrump
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 09:37 AM

I've only just returned to this thread.

Has Lizzie gone? I'll certainly miss her.

I wish you good fortune Lizzie, wherever you are.

Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:18 PM

Pedant note:

http://sam-and-lizzie.tripod.com/where_we_begin.html

link in list on right side

As I Cycled Out on a May Morning
Cecil Sharp, Ashley Hutchings, and
all the usual suspects


:-)