BS: vegetarians ?

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 29 May 01 - 04:14 AM

Oh, the wondrous wanderings of Mudcat Threads

John in Hull says he's cutting down meat input - and innocently asks if there are any "veggies" out here - and what do we get into? A pack of retired/relapsed/reformed vegetarians, a discussion on animal/human rights and meat!...;)

Love it!

LtS - my mind is boggling over your description of the taste of "vegetarian haggis" - suggest you add details as a PM - after all, this is a family show..;)

Incidentally, I thoroughly approve of Manitas' choice of veges - hope the third one is peas - like mine?

Roger in Sheffield (Where the knives used in our NZ staughterhouses came from - oh for a decent butcher's knife again)..

There's a good song about "freezing-workers" (slaughtermen) in NZ - written in the early 60s by my mate Dave Jordan (who degenerated and went to Pomgolia to write music for rock[groups). It's called Gutboard Blues - apologies for introducing music to this BS thread...;)

Kat - Trust you to be the first to catch up with me - thanks for the welocome back, "wee tart"....)

Yep, the "silly season" is over - probably only briefly - I'm exhausted, and to keep in line with the way this thread's got headed - should be off to the "knackers yard"/

Cheers all - Sam

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: CarolC
Date: 29 May 01 - 04:04 AM

Veggies have to deal with that sort of behavior from meat eaters sometimes as well.

I was once told by a co-worker that I was going to go to hell because I'm a veggie. And in one rural county in which I used to live, vegetarians were considered peculiar at best, and at worst, un-American.

I think there's plenty of bad behavior on both sides of the equation.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: SeanM
Date: 29 May 01 - 02:18 AM

Well, despite cowardly attacks from idiots, MT's statement "Eat whatever you want, but keep your self-righteousness about it to yourself" sums up my view nicely.

Once had a good friend who upon graduating high school (here in the US), turned hardcore evangelical vegan. He religiously sent away for the most 'shocking' PETA videos he could, and set about annoying everyone he knew.

End result was that we started eating MORE meat around him, just to annoy him as much as he was us. Very quickly, we stopped associating with him. Eventually, one of our less forgiving friends beat the living crap out of him one day, as he still insisted on showing up at our hangouts, yelling "Meat is murder!" and all the other trite sayings that the extremists gave him to say.

I have no problem with vegetarians, regardless of how 'stringent' they are. However, the hardcore activist kind get roughly the same treatment as the average hardcore evangelical Christian gets - polite refusal, attempts to disengage, then varying rudeness until they finally go away.

M

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Roughyed
Date: 29 May 01 - 01:59 AM

Hey Jed - troll spotted.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Crazy Eddie
Date: 29 May 01 - 01:37 AM

So Jed, You won't want any Fava beans & Chianti to go with that nice piece of liver? Your Friend, Hannibal :o)

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: JedMarum
Date: 28 May 01 - 11:14 PM

There is very hard evidence that vegetation is the highest form of life of the earth. Science has discovered a conciousness among them that is both effective and communicative. They have deteremined using poplygraph technology, that plants not only react severely when attacked, but they react when other plants are attacked ... more over they even reacted when scientists entered the room with the unspoken intention of attacking.

It is clear to me that vegetation, being the supreme life form, that I cannot, in good conscience eat anything except meat ... preferably only meat from predators, since they are one step removed from the masacre of unaremed plant life.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: JeZeBeL
Date: 28 May 01 - 08:25 PM

I was veggie for 7 years, until august last year when the doctor told me off. I was getting a bit ill. I ate pulses etc....lots of very good veggie food, vitamins minerals. basically i should have been very healthy. i did everything right. being veggie jut doesn't suit some peoples bodies. I was most upset. but these things happen.

I still don't eat a lot of meat. but i am feeling better.

Listen to your body john.

Good luck

Jez xxx

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Roughyed
Date: 28 May 01 - 06:55 PM

Hey mousethief, Beef cattle are rarely fed on grass. They are fed high protein food - often soya - which could directly be fed to humans instead. Don't get me wrong, there are much worse things than eating meat. Most of the people I love do. There may be a case for using marginal land for raising sheep - which generally do feed on grass if you are not bothered by the ethics of killing animals for food. But the cattle industry is geared to producing extremely fast growing animals fed on high protein foods.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: toadfrog
Date: 28 May 01 - 06:31 PM

Just one word of caution; wise words from a fine old song:

In these days of indigestion
It is often times a question
As to what to eat, and what to leave a lone!
For each microbe and bacillus
Has a different way to kill us
And in time they always claim us for their own!
There are germs of every kind
In any food that you can find
In the market or upon the bill of fare.
Drinking water's just as risky
As the so-called deadly whisky,
And it's ofter a mistake to breather the air!

Some little bug is going to find you some day.
Some little bug will get behind you some day.
And he'll sent for his (or her) bug friends
And all your earthly trouble ends!
Some little bug will get you some day!

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 01 - 06:25 PM

So proud of what you have to say you say it anonymously?

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: GUEST,rodent-stealer
Date: 28 May 01 - 06:05 PM

That's really precious. Alex/mousethief, perhaps the most self-righteous Mudcatter of them all, ordering others to keep their self-righteousness to themselves.

I cannot contain myself, I am rolling on the floor laughing my head off.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 May 01 - 06:00 PM

If we went veggie in this house, Manitas would starve to death, he only eats 3 vegetables and 2 of them are potatoes..... Ain't no bit of a pig he won't scoff (he once had a whole nipple in a bag of pork scratchings....) but the bratling and I are happy to go meatless once in a while....

And yes, I had heard there was vegetarian haggis... even tried some. It's pants. It tastes like a paper bag of pants that have been boiled for 40 minutes in cabbage water.

Anyone tried Quorn? Anyone else have the same (back)side effect? Spaw, you stay off it, you hear?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 May 01 - 06:00 PM

LOL!!

I'm getting a T-shirt made that, on the front says

"I Eat Vegitarians"

And on the back it'll say...

"And I wear their pelts in winter!"

LOL!!

Be warned you veggers out there... when our grain fed beef runs out, yer next on the shopping list for us carnivors! LOL!!

Actually, I like to think of myself as an 'opportunivore"... Whata ya got? I'll eat it!

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 01 - 05:52 PM

not to mention the suffering of the people who could have eaten those plants if they hadn't been fed to a cow.

Yes, so many people can eat grass.

Eat whatever you want, but keep your self-righteousness about it to yourself.

Alex

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Max Tone
Date: 28 May 01 - 05:30 PM

Whoops, that should have read --Tae a Bacon Butty

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Max Tone
Date: 28 May 01 - 05:19 PM

When posting lyrics on this very subject, the new thread came up right next to this one, so here's the link.

="http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=34819&messages=1"
Nae offence to any passive veggies, just judgmental ones!
Rob

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Gypsy
Date: 28 May 01 - 05:07 PM

We aren't totally rabid on it, we just treat meat like we would chocolate cake...nice occasionally, but certainly wouldn't eat all the time. Easier on the earth, since raising meat takes so very much room, and resourses. And, it is alot cheaper to shop without buying meat. Entertain 2X a week, family of 3, and i spend about 30-40$ weekly on groceries.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Tedham Porterhouse
Date: 28 May 01 - 04:55 PM

If a vegetarian is someone who eats vegetables, I'd hate to think what a humanitarian eats.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 28 May 01 - 04:51 PM

I have to go now, Douglas Adams just came to mind and now I am thinking about a genetically modified carrot that displays the words EAT ME on its skin when fully grown, or a toaster that for no useful purpose displays the weather forecast on toast..................

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Roughyed
Date: 28 May 01 - 04:24 PM

I wndered how far I would get down this thread before someone brought up the 'Carrots have feeling too' argument. If you are an 'ethical' vegetarian the aim is to reduce suffering as much as possible. It is clear to me that animals feel pain because the more evolved ones show very similar reactions to pain and distress as we humans do. Even further down the scale, science can show that animals have nervous systems and the only point of those is to feel. Plants do not have nervous systems.

So if these plants actually do feel pain in some way which is unknown to us, given the aim of lessening suffering there are two options open. The first is suicide which causes extreme mental suffering to everyone who cares about you. The other option is vegetarianism.

What do cows, pigs, sheep etc eat - plants! It takes about sixteen pounds of plant protein to produce a pound of beef. So eating that pound of beef not only makes you responsible for the suffering of the cow (and the term humane slaughter is a nonsense), but also the supposed suffering of the plants that went to feed the cow, not to mention the suffering of the people who could have eaten those plants if they hadn't been fed to a cow.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: bbc
Date: 28 May 01 - 04:16 PM

My sweetheart, Duane D., eats eggs, milk, & seafood, but no meat.

bbc

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 01 - 03:26 PM

Clinton... The Ottawa-Hull mentioned above isn't in the usa... it's in Canada...

Subtle. Good one.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 28 May 01 - 03:00 PM

....how ever much I try I cannot see the beauty of Leeches, Ticks, Fleas or Tapeworms. But yes fish are beautiful........







..and so tasty !!

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 May 01 - 02:48 PM

All life is beautiful, no? Mammal, plant, bug, fish...

Even some people, but not very many!

LOL!!

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 28 May 01 - 02:34 PM

Clinton the program I heard was concerned with the heath/welfare of the workers. I think it said that as cattle come in various sizes the process could not be done by a machine, instead in production line fashion people work in close proximity wearing chain mail to protect themselves from each others knives. In this country people suffer from hand problems from doing the same repetative task all day long, I think the issue in the slaughterhouse program was that the workers were asigned to one task (a particular cut) and had to do that same task allday long and at very fast speeds.

Cows seem to do OK in India without being made into shoes or burgers

I've worked on a farm and seen calves being born which is a beautiful thing, there isn't anything similar about a carrot going to seed! I have also been to dairy farms where male calves were allowed to die as they had no value, at that time the meat industry wanted other breeds for rearing as beef, not sure if that still happens now. I also have a photo of my friends children feeding one of their dairy cows that had slipped and fell in the yard, it had to stay there several days before it died. That was at the start of the BSE crisis when the condition was not yet widely known.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Sooz
Date: 28 May 01 - 02:34 PM

Mike and I have been vegetarian for so long (27 years) that we can't remember why we started. We try not to use animal products including those in shoes and cosmetics, but don't try to convert our friends.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 28 May 01 - 12:40 PM

All these Vegetarian Johns', I am another one about 15 years or so. I am not a vegeie for animal rights or anything, my shoes have bits of leather on them. I have an occasional bit of fish, lots of cheese and dairy and my LTS problem is bacon, maybe twice a year or so. How can you go camping without bacon?? I have had alergies for a number of years and have dropped milk recently in favour of Soya milk (it tastes like crap and is powdery)I have also not been eating a lot of cheese or other dairy. It seems to be working as I have not yet resorted to taking any medication yet this year. You do need to know how to cook tofu though. We marinate it for about 10-20 min in a mixture of Soy sauce, finely chopped ginger and garlic, then fry it HOT in some olive oil until it is brown. A friend of my wife's who's family hated tofu, thoght it was the best "chicken" they had tasted when she did it this way. I don't know if she ever told the truth? Any more recipes ??

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 May 01 - 12:38 PM

That's one thing I love about living in Canada... comparitivly cheep, safe meat! ;-)

john in hull... Just by way of clearing up... The Otawa-Hull mentioned above isn't in the usa... it's in Canada...

On the cruelty thing... Ya... some slaughter houses and farms still are little animal auschwitz's, but things are changing no? Granted, there's only so much you can do with the death process... how clean does PETA expect it to be?? I just don't understand...

I also don't really understand the idea that it's wrong to kill animals for meat when the whole food chain works like that... Isn't all eating murder? It's not o.k. to eat cows, but it's o.k. to eat carrots? Are the carrots any less alive? To say, "It's just a plant" is arrogant and bigoted! All life is LIFE! Never mind thanking some invisible man in the sky for your food... when you sit down at the dinner table tonight, thank your FOOD for dying so that you can survive... That seems more like giving credit where credit is due...

One another slight aside... Do you know what would happen to all the cows on the planet if people stopped raising them for food and leather? They would die out all together... The species is almost totally incapable of supporting itself after so many ages and ages of being hand reared by humans...

Ain't we just grand?

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Peg
Date: 28 May 01 - 12:05 PM

I was a vegetarian for several years in college and grad school. I was a theatre major and dancer so partly it was to stay healthy and trim. Of course I was also running 3-5 miles a day...wild youth...

I also became involved in the animal rights movement around this time (as well as working for Greenpeace) and it was very interesting to see/hear different peoples' approaches to living a cruelty-free life. Some thought wearing ANY thing from animals (leather, even wool) was wrong. I had a large collection of vintage leather coats and would explain, when asked why I wore them, that I was recycling an old item, thereby encouraging this parctice and NOT supporting the current leather industry beyond buying shoes (which I still do; I do not buy nearly as many shoes as most women I know).

For some activists, there was no way to be "cruelty-free" enough...as there was always a chance your lipstick got tested on a bunny's eyes, the milk in your coffee came from a dairy farm that kept veal calves in cages, etc.

I am no longer a vegetarian, but you know what I noticed?

The meat I ate growing up, hunted by my dad or purchased from local cattle or pig farms and slaughtered to our specifications by the same folks who would cut up my dad's deer in exchange for some of the meat, TASTED a whole lot better than what I get in the supermarket now.

I try only to buy naturally-raised meats and farm-raised fish (too dangerous to eat anything caught in most of the oceans now). The natural stuff costs more, but my health is worth it and I think if we create a greater demand for these products the pirce may drop a bit and, more importantly, they will be more widely available.

It is theorized the mysterious drop in average age of an American young girl who menstruates for the first time (from 16 at the turn of the century, to 14 in the 1950s, to 12 in the 1970s, to 10 now) has a fair amount to do with the amount of hormones ingested in the American diet...

BTW I think it is inaccurate to refer to yourself as a "vegetarian" if you eat fish or poultry, ever. In most cities potential roomate ads people say things like "semi-vegetarian" which usually means they eat anything but red meat...why not just say that?

One last thought; now that my monthly rent shall be increasing from $800 to $1350, I am thinking of becoming a vegetarian again because it is way cheaper...

A simple dinner of roasted (all natural!) chicken, steamed (organic!) broccoli and baked (organic!) potato costs around $2; natural steak or lamb chop, add a dollar; natural fish, add another dollar...

The same broccoli with a bit of cheese, baked potato with some (organic!) yogurt, and a salad with raw sunflower seeds for protein, costs a lot less and is a lot healthier...one-dish meals like Spanish rice or pasta prima vera even less!

Here's to walking lightly on the earth...

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 28 May 01 - 09:56 AM

There was something on the radio last week about american slaughterhouses. It mentioned The Jungle which I had never heard of, and explained that nearly a century later conditions are still tough for workers in some slaughterhouses. I did not hear the entire piece or the name of the more recent expose book which was under discussion. I have been searching for info on the book or the program without sucess, here and here are details of what I believe is a similar book. The radio piece was in discussion with a man who I believe was the author and that book related to the poorly paid ( migrant?) workers having to repetatively do the same job all day long with a very fast turn over of animals (six times faster than uk slaughterhouses)
If anyone knows of the book I would be interested
On the veggie thing I eat Fish, very rarely chicken and never meat from mammals (unless someone mixed a bit of beef into my veggie burger for a laugh). I don't have a problem with anyone else eating meat - horses, dogs, guinea pigs

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 May 01 - 09:32 AM

Thanks for that info, John P. I hadn't said, before, that the main reason I became a wegetarian was because of cruelty to animals and my shoes are not leather, also. As you've said, there are oher reasons I choose to stay one, including the ecologocal and geo-political ones which you mention. It feels morally wrong for me.

Billy the Bus/Sam, tourist season over?! Where've you been, we've missed you!!

kat

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: John P
Date: 28 May 01 - 08:39 AM

I became a vegetarian when I was 20 years old (I'm 46 now) because I was learning meditation from an Indian guru who strongly suggested it. I tried it for three months and then ate meat again for a couple of weeks for the comparison. I found that I felt a lot better if I didn't eat meat, so it was an easy choice. It also cut my food budget by about 25 per cent. Since I was a poor college student that was a big inducement. I have since added geo-political, ecological, and cruelty to animals reasons for avoiding meat. And no, my shoes are not made of leather. I love tofu, but I had to learn to use it properly first. I still can't stand brussel spouts.

McDonald's cooks their chips in vegetable oil, but they add some beef juice to the things before they freeze them and ship them off to the restaurants. There is a lawyer here in Seattle who is starting a class-action law suit against them because they were being purposefuly deceptive about the ingredients and because the folks working in the restaurants were cheerfully telling customers the fries were completely vegetarian.

John

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 28 May 01 - 07:16 AM

thanks for all replies,yes i am in uk.i didnt know there was a hull in usa .i heard somewhere that macdonalds were cooking chips in beef fat.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: GUEST,Billy the Bus
Date: 28 May 01 - 05:35 AM

G'day,

Glad to see Mudcat as mad as ever in it's topic threads.

John, if I were in Hull (UK?) I'd probably cut down on the meat input, with all the "Mad Cow" and "Foot & Mouth" that's round your neck of the woods.

Howsomever.....

LtS - as to your sausage desire - and the lack of meat in 'em.

I recently discovered an item of information that scares the hell out of me. Apparently you can now by "vegetarian" haggis in Scotland.

The world has gone mad...

Cheers - Sam

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Owlkat
Date: 28 May 01 - 03:50 AM

Here's my two cents on vegeterianism. I'm allergic to pollens and dust. I've discovered that if I eat very little meat or dairy from about May to September, the reactions I used to have to endure for three months now only last two or three weeks. My theory is that the cumulative attacks on my immune system caused by natural allergens (dust, smoke, pollens) and chemical ones (animal growth hormone, steroids, antibiotics, pesticides in animal feed) give me headaches, congestion, and digestive upset. In short, the more vegan I go, the better I feel, and, incidentally, the less sick I get. I've found that meat from ptarmigan, moose, bear, mountain sheep, caribou, and deer don't cause me anywhere near the grief that meat from domestic sources do. I must admint, living in the Yukon, I probably have more access to these meats than, say, someone in Philedelphia.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Big Tim
Date: 28 May 01 - 03:35 AM

I became a vegetarian in 1988, converted by the dedicated example of my teenage daughters of whom I am very proud, for moral reasons. It's wrong to kill animals, a la Linda McCartney. I don't miss meat at all, in fact the smell of it makes me sick and anyway who can tell the taste difference between a meat burger and a vegeburger, certainly not my brother who gets fed them when he visits us and never knows the difference!

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: CarolC
Date: 28 May 01 - 02:52 AM

I don't know, LtS, it doesn't look to me like anyone in this discussion is using cruelty to animals as a reason to not eat meat. I can't find any references to it, anyway.

My reason for not eating meat is that I don't like it. I consider it a bonus that I'm not putting the hormones and antibiotics into my body that are given to livestock. I use dairy products and eggs, but I only use organic dairy and eggs.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 May 01 - 02:29 AM

I was veggie for about 5 years, worked in a veggie restaurant, have an uncle who is a farmer so have seen both social and 'political' reasons for giving up meat.

I go parading with a giant. This giant has crow wings for hair. Some vegetarians complained, saying we were cruel to kill crows. We explained that the crow wings came from a bean farm nearby, and that the crows were shot because they ruined the bean plants. The beans in this field were then sold to a supermarket chain who used them in their range of vegetarian meals. [I then pointed out to these vegetarians that the shoes they were wearing were leather and where did they think that came from? We've not been bothered by them since.]

So nothing, unless you can guarantee it from seed to stomach is truly 'cruelty free'.

As for dairy products - cheese, unless it's a vegetable rennet, is the only one that involves any animal body part (generated from a dead animal as opposed to a live one), in fact, if you have ever heard a cow that has not been milked, it is quite obvious that it is in pain and that milking it would be a blessing. The only dodgy area here is in the removal of the calf too early. Sensible farmers don't do this. And if the demand is there, the milk supply will remain. The stimulation of the milking machine or human milker will ensure the flow continues. This is true of humans too - you can breast feed for 2 years, as long as the demand and stimulation is there!

Oh, and I gave up being veggie because I couldn't give up sausages - ironic when you think of how much actual meat is in the average sausage!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 May 01 - 11:37 PM

Ya... Sue talked about that too Kat... she's a very reliable source, and one of the coolest old ladies I've ever seen!

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 May 01 - 11:26 PM

John in Hull, I've been one for about 20 years, although I do fish sometimes and chicken about one or twice a year. And, I cannot stand tofu!LOL

My advice? Take some cooking classes, if you can; or, get a couple of good cookbooks. There is so much out there now, it is much moreacceptable and dishes are much more creative than they used to be. Heck, I can walk in a restaurant in Casper, Wyoming now and actually see specific vegetarian dishes, which was not so about 8 years ago when I first came back here.

If you find yourself craving protein, try a smoothie shake with protein powder; eat nuts; or try one of the great products that are out now that are all vegetable protein, yet look and smell like bacon, hotdogs, chicken and other things you may find yourself missing.

Clinton, I don't know about meat-eating and the taste of semen, but smoking and drinking certainly gives it a horribly bitter taste; nothing to come back for! (pun intended!)

kat

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 May 01 - 10:40 PM

Cool CarolC...

Want my greenbeans?

LOL!!

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: CarolC
Date: 27 May 01 - 10:27 PM

Hey, Spaw... why don't you run that idea past some genetic engineers? I bet they'd be happy to develop some for you.

You're probably right Clinton. Even though I don't eat meat, I think if people want to eat meat, they should.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: GUEST,Dancing Mom
Date: 27 May 01 - 10:19 PM

Was happily vegetarian for two years. Had to modify my stance a little bit when I realized my family was making a beeline for Burger King when I was out of the house.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 May 01 - 10:14 PM

CarolC... as a matter of fact... I'm well aware...

But ya know what... in the immortal words of Sean Connery in The Untouchables, "What the hell, ya gotta die of something."

I applaud people who make choices such as these for themselves... to go veg, or to quit smoking or drinking...

Me... I'll stop all those things, and all my other 'bad' habits on the day I die... and I'll die just as happy as they will...

;-)

Side bar... I hear from Sue on The Sunday Night Sex Show that a mans semen tastes better if he's a vegetarian... so guys... it might be worth it after all eh!! LOL!!

Hell... make it taste like Tullamore Dew and I'll drink it myself!!

LOL!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Marion
Date: 27 May 01 - 10:07 PM

John, I'm vegan.

Is that Hull as in Ottawa-Hull?

Marion

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 May 01 - 09:56 PM

Well, tits aside, I'll consider being a vegetarian when Rib-Eyes start growing on plants.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: CarolC
Date: 27 May 01 - 09:48 PM

Yeah, Clinton. But you can get breast cancer from eating meat. (Yes, I mean you.) Do you have any idea how much estrogen you're putting in your body when you eat commercial grade meat, dairy and eggs? (As opposed to organic.) Bet you didn't know that men can get breast cancer.

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 May 01 - 09:42 PM

Too many chemicals in meat?

Have you seen half the crap they spray on veg these days?!?!

Basically we're not really safe eating ANYTHING!

LOL!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ?
From: CarolC
Date: 27 May 01 - 09:41 PM

I'm a veggie. Since I was fifteen. (That was thirty years ago.) Good luck with it!

Carol

Subject: vegetarians ?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 27 May 01 - 09:34 PM

i have recently decided to cut out/ down the amount of meat i eat, i wondered if any of you were vegies ?.ps i decided this for heath reasons, too many chemicals in meat etc.john