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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:12 PM Hi Liz. Hope it works out for you in Canada. Thanks for your support for my various projects over the years. Stay safe. Kind Regards Ralphie xx |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:42 PM "Sam's sites are ... Nothing is done for commercial gain" The only thing worse than some selfish git stealing someone elses's work so that he can profit from selling it, is some ignorant selfish fool stealing it so he can give it away for free and thereby STILL rip off the original creator! |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Effsee Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:21 PM Thank F**k for that! Can we let this thread die now? Please. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:21 PM Whooaa Liz!!!!
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:06 PM has she gone ? is it safe to come out again? I doubt it. The pills will kick in and she'll be back again. It is not the first time she has declared undying love for someone she has never met. I think her husband is a really badly-treated bloke, |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: GUEST,old git Date: 12 Mar 07 - 06:35 PM has she gone ? is it safe to come out again? |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: skipy Date: 12 Mar 07 - 05:50 PM Lizzie, I don't know you, well at least I don't think that I do, but I really do believe that you may need some help, your stress level to me appears to be through the roof, step back for a while, regroup, calm down, please. Skipy |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: GUEST Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:50 PM Well I for one am confused by this matter, 'Sam' appears to understand the concept of 'copyright' as he has clearly labelled his site copyright to Sam and Lizzie, before you go Lizzie could you explain to Sam that copyrighting material stolen (and thats the right term) from other people is a somewhat dubious practice. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Peace Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:42 PM http://thealbionchronicles.tripod.com/id12.html |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Blowzabella Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:41 PM Lizzie - I bear you no ill will and I'm not backing anybody over anybody - just trying to point out some areas where care needs to be taken. Take care Blowz |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: GUEST,Chris Murray Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:31 PM There are lots, all credited to 'Sam-and-Lizzie'. Try this one for starters: http://thealbionchronicles.tripod.com/ I'm not very good at the blue clicky things. It would be easier to bump another thread... |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:31 PM Thanks Dave....I think that says it all about 'your' world. And you tell me to leave Sam's world and bow to the people in yours? No way. I would rather support Sam in everything he's doing Dave, and that is....supporting musicians left, right and centre...laying thousands of paths for people to travel down...than spend one more single moment in here with people like yourself. You're right..I AM an idiot I was an idiot to ever think that this world wanted to be opened up. It doesn't. But 'this' is not my world, neither was the BBC board. Sam's world is my world. Blowz...you have no idea what's been going on here for so very long. If you back 'these people' over Sam, then I am so disappointed in you Blowz...I really am. They have poured vitriol down on me for so very long, you know that. I have tried and tried to fight them...but what am I fighting for here? Can you tell me Blowz? Because sadly I no longer know. It wasn't me who started this thread, but perhaps some think I did. I didn't. I merely brought Sam's site to your attention, that is the folk world's attention, because I stupidly thought that as there are hundreds of pages about folk musicians in there, with masses of information, that some might find it interesting, that's not even touching upon all the information that is about England and it's history etc.... But no...none of you are interested. The Albion Chronicles and the rest of Sam's sites are not for you....You do not see the magic, or the sunshine or the sparkle in them....because you only ever look for the darkness in all things. He has brought together an enormous amount of information, into some truly magical pages, about song, dance, traditions, history, nature, films, writers...on and on it goes. Yet all of you see ONLY the mistakes. That is ALL that has been mentioned here. NOTHING else. Blowz, for many of the people who've been hounding me on here and on the BBC, and Dave you are one of them I'm afraid...this is nothing to do with Sam....It is purely to do with me. Strange Dave, that when you PM'd me recently, you were kindness itself....flattering me left right and centre about the fact that in your eyes, I had worn well for my age...and I thanked you for those kind words. You then asked me 'Who's Sam' and I told you he was the man who created The Albion Chronicles. When you knew you'd get no more information out of me...you went away..and all this bizarre and unpleasant behaviour started. Well I'll tell you now who Sam is. Sam is the man that I love. He is the man who has taught and is teaching me more about folk music than any of you could ever dream of even touching upon. Sam teaches with love you see. No negativity, no humiliation or disparaging remarks, he does not use his knowledge as a weapon, as so many of you do...He gives nothing but support and love. He, unlike most of you, is one of the most interesting, kind and fascinating people I have ever come across and I will do all I can to support him and his many sites too. He also has a myriad of Myspace pages about folk musicians as well. All supportive, all helping to spread the word...and all unofficial sites...all well marked. He works harder than most of you will ever know....for the music. His pages were born from a deep grief, but they have brought him a deep and lasting love that many of you could not even begin to touch upon. That love comes from me. Yes. I fell in love, not only with Sam's sites....but with Sam himself. That love has been rock solid from the moment he came into my life and it will be for the rest of my life too. I told him, over and over, that standing beside me would bring him nothing but unpleasantness in the folk world, and do you know what his answer was? He made the Sam & Lizzie site for me. Not only that, but he linked every single page of his huge web of pages up to that site. My God! You know....I'm finding this so easy to write! I thought I'd be upset...but I'm not. I actually, for the first time EVER, now want to leave this world....It is a bad place to be. It's been a bad place for me for so very, very long. It was The Albion Chronicles that began to open my eyes to what this world could and should be. It was Sam's sites that laid it all before me....and it was Sam's sites whose paths I went down. And I am SO pleased and grateful that I did. I could of stayed with all of you for so much longer...fighting, yelling, but there's no need anymore. My path is with Sam from now on. Our journey is just beginning. For many of you, your journey, it seems to me, has stopped. It stopped when you let the coldness of hatred, anger and bitterness come into your hearts, it stopped when you sought to destroy rather than to encourage...it stopped...inside so many of you. I hope you find your way out of it all....to a very different world. So yes Dave...this time I WILL go. I have no wish to be amongst people such as yourself, Joan Crump, Diane Easby or Ralph Jordan on this site, or any other 'folk' site anymore. I very much hope that you enjoy YOUR music, that you enjoy YOUR club and that you enjoy YOUR world. And Dave, for your information...THIS is the thread that I was SUPPOSED to 'go out' on... ....because in this thread is YOUR story...The story of the those English Traditionalists whose souls seem so filled with obsessiveness, with negativity, with darkness, with maliciousness...Souls that cannot and do not want ever to share or tolerate....Souls that cannot laugh or smile or welcome or be kind or uplifting...but just seem to want to abuse those who are not part of their 'little' club. Sam is worth a million of you...and he is the man that I choose, over and above anyone else in this world. I'm off to pastures filled with love, with a man who knows more about the folk world than the rest of you put together, but who would never humiliate anyone, or deride them or belittle them, but only ever open his arms wide and welcome them, support them and put them at their ease. That is one of the many reasons why I love him. It truly is back to being YOUR world now...... Sam's Lizzie |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: skipy Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:22 PM O/K, O/k.I don't have time to read War & Peace to get the answer to this question, What is Sam's site, so that I can take a look? Skipy |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Mar 07 - 03:26 PM I do hope you check every single site on the internet in the same way you check Sam's site...and pull those sites apart too, in public..and then go round biffing and baffing all those people as well. Otherwise, I may start to think that you're 'just havin' a go' at me, through him Dave..... ;0) Well my attention was drawn to Sam's site by you Lizzie, and I went to look at it and there it is plagiarism from top to bottom. I am not having a go at Sam for any reason - I am having a go at the site. It is plagiarised. Why do you support such blatant plagiarism? you can gush and fawn and fawn and gush over whomesoever you choose Dave I know I can but thanks for reminding me. I needed that. What I can't do is go on and on and on and on about whomsoever I gush over ad nauseam without annoying people. As you have found out. The other thing I would be embarrassed about - though clearly you aren't is that to say one day you are leaving a message board and come back within hours. Your privilege but it does make you look an idiot. So nothing new there then. However in that last post you did write something accurate. Lizzie :0) A half-witted member of the general public. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: skipy Date: 12 Mar 07 - 03:23 PM And, Dave, don't start a sentence with "And". Skipy |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Blowzabella Date: 12 Mar 07 - 03:22 PM Oh Lizzie - the problem is that, when it comes to breach of copyright, Dave's correct - and the thing is, it isn't up to him to go round 'scouring the net' for other breaches of copyright - this site (Sam's site?? and I've no idea who Sam is) has been brought to the world's attention - partly by you. If it is full of plaguarised material - then that material should, at least, be correctly attributed. It's like the recording of gigs thing - artists, whether they be singers, writers whatever - have rights - you can't just bung their work up anywhere and give the impression (by not dsaying whose work it is) that it is your own. As generous as you think performers are, they should not be deprived of their rights. In the same way as many songs are about workers rights - fought for and won - you should not expect artists to give up their rights to their work - or open acknowledgment of it. Or call people Moaning Minnies for pointing this out. I'm sorry Lizzie - but this is much more of a business than you realise. There are rules - and it is the performers who get stuffed every time if those rules aren't followed. So ... if you really do want to support musicians - don't support websites which contain plaguarised or non attributed material. Cos it is the thin end of the wedge - believe me. I do wish you well - but this is a lot more complicated than you think. (and there are professional browsers out there, looking for sites to pick up on and create case history) Blowz |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Mar 07 - 03:00 PM Oh do calm down Dave..there's a dear....and try not to be so rude to me all the time....there's a poppet. Rant if you must, but do watch your blood pressure, that's all. And if you want to go away, why not go to the BBC board? They need some more Moaning Minnies over there.. ;0) Strangely they told me I drove them all away from the BBC, but they never left...Not until I was banned...then..they er...left! ????????? I do hope you check every single site on the internet in the same way you check Sam's site...and pull those sites apart too, in public..and then go round biffing and baffing all those people as well. Otherwise, I may start to think that you're 'just havin' a go' at me, through him Dave..... ;0) Sorry if I annoy you...but it's SO not compulsory to read my posts...and heck..I'm mainly only in two threads at present...so do keep your hair on... And hey...you can gush and fawn and fawn and gush over whomesoever you choose Dave...I'll not tell you to stop or go away or say that YOU have driven me away...Nope..I'll either read your post and think.."Hmmm..I rather like that"...or else..I'll ignore it and read something else... :0) I don't give in to being bullied, insulted or verbally abused though Dave m'dear... Sorry...... And now...back to this thread's first post: From 'An Observer' >>>IT'S OUR LITTLE CLUB Don't they understand, we don't want folk to be popular? We don't want the general public (halfwits) to be interested in OUR music. We hate anyone from the folk world who becomes popular enough to earn a living from OUR music. And we hate any music which isn't folk (and we will decide what IS folk). And we hate festival organisers, (robbing b*st*rds), we hate their concerts, don't want to buy their tickets, but we do want to camp on their festival site (for free). Then we can sit in a nice little pub listening to a lovely person about the size of a jumbo jet, singing, only slightly out of tune. A place where we can drink good ale and complain about how down trodden we are, how unfair the world is, and how THEY are trying to stop us singing in the bar. A place where we can be rustic, people of the earth, before going back to our well paid jobs in IT or HR.<<< >>>We don't want the general public (halfwits) to be interested in OUR music.<<< Lizzie :0) A half-witted member of the general public. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Mar 07 - 01:59 PM The site is full of plagiarised material. Which bit of that can you and Sam not understand? I have told you a number of times I do not dislike you personally, I cannot do so for I have never met you. I have told you a number of times like most people who have been into folk music for a number of years that what annoys me is your constant gushing and fawning over particular artists you feel you have discovered. Time and time again. So yes people do feel it necessary to correct you. Which then sets you off on another diatribe. Cecil Sharp whom you gushingly admired earlier today was "folk police" par excellence. Did you take any notice of what people who know what they are talking about corrected you? Of course not. You annoy people - you may not mean to (though I doubt that) and you may not realise when you are doing it, (and I doubt that too) but you do, These are people who have spent twenty and thirty and forty years heavily involved in the music you claim to love. They do not appreciate being told they don't know what they are talking about because first of all they generally do and secondly you often give the impression that you don't. And on occasions you clearly don't. Not only that but you twist their words and ignore what they say. You feel there is a gang of people who are in some way out to get you and you have imagined somehow I have joined them. Pure nonsense. A whole range of people keep asking you to desist and you have ignored them - so what they do is go away and ignore you. And leave this board. Well done, another one lost. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Peace Date: 12 Mar 07 - 01:27 PM So, uh, "We have met the enemy and he is us." ? |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Jim Lad Date: 12 Mar 07 - 01:00 PM Cheer up guys! I think we're all on the same side here. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Jim Lad Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:59 PM That law was actually a facsimile of a previous law which is awaiting a Civil Court ruling which in itself, closely resembles the Court of Law. (Or did someone already say that?) |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Jim Lad Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:52 AM So, we ARE all agreed then? I'll just hang around and listen for a while. Good Morning All. Jim |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:49 AM Sorry you can't get on to it Bee...never mind then. Shame, I think you may have enjoyed them.... |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Bee Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:47 AM Peace, I'm partial to blues, bluegrass, Cape Breton fiddling, and a long list of old rock and a lot of unclassifiables. I'll give any music a listen, I ain't proud. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Bee Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:44 AM Lizzie: I have no quarrel with you or Ruth: you're both posters on a board I enjoy. Whatever is between you and other posters is no concern of mine, except when it interferes with my enjoyment of an interesting discussion. Ruth stated, and I have no reason to disbelieve her, that the site in question uses unattributed copy-pasted materials. You have not said that it does not. Perhaps you could clarify this. Everything I have said, nonetheless, regarding using other people's material (including music), is true. It is illegal, harmful, and extremely frustrating when it happens to you. It is a particular concern of mine, and I always address it when it is brought up. The site in question, by the way, is another impossible-to-use-on-dialup creation. It makes multiple copies of itself and presents under-screen adverts, plus loads with multiple errors. I have no technical problems with the vast majority of websites. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Ruth Archer Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:39 AM At this point I feel quite victimised, actually. I don't think i've said anything here that could be interpreted as an attack. Lizzie posted a link about Cecil Sharp, and I recognised that the page was plagiarised - I actually remember the event that it was written to promote. As I explained, the wholesale copying of content is something to which I am particularly sensitive. My subsequent comments were simply well-meaning advice - but if you are going to post a link to a page of stolen content, are people meant to simply turn a blind eye because to do otherwise might hurt your feelings? All I have said is that Sam ought to name his sources, because if he doesn't, he might find himself in a position where his site is under threat. Not by me, but by the people who legally own the content he has copied. I have tried to remain reasoned and sensible throughout this quite interesting thread, but yet again it's turned into one of Lizzie's diatribes. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:28 AM Here you go Peace :0) Rock 'n' Roll Jam Sandwiches :0) |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Peace Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:18 AM I happen to like rock and roll. I just thought I'd mention that. Oh, and folk's OK too. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:40 AM From John: >>>I didn't get into Folk until the age of 49. That was back in 1993, nor had I picked up a guitar until then either, but I didn't let that stop me. Why does it seem to matter what age you are for goodness sake. This ageism thing really gets my 'dander' up. I'm a teenager that's just happened to have got to the age I am. John Barden <<< Gosh John...you look like you've been a real folkie all your life. You have a lovely 'look' by the way! ;0) I think it's because you're a teenager!! Oh...something on this thread that's finally brought a smile and put it back into perspective. A REAL, Genuine, Lovely FOLKIE! Someone send for George...He doesn't have 'clubs'...well...apart from Herga of course...but otherwise..he doesn't.. AND...George has a great sense of humour too! And he makes your feet dance with those Greek Rhythms... Yes yes...Send For George! Immediately! Get him out of his suit and back into his Folkie Clothes... :0) |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Hawker Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:38 AM Skipy! I thought you were younger than that! LOL Barden, I got into folk at about 16, 'cos the folk club served me when I was under age! and I got to dance with all the eligible blokes in the room too - nothing to do with the music! Then I got into 'pop' music and did the teenage nightclub thing for a while and came back to folk at 28, I like all kinds of music, and I agree it doesn't matter what your age, as long as you enjoy it. I was just taking issue with earlier comments about there not being any young folkies - there certainly are - and some of them are bloody good too! Cheers, Lucy |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:36 AM From Bee: >>Lizzie, I must agree with Ruth.. Bee, with all due respect, what is happening here has very little to do with what you think it may, and a great deal to do with one person's vitriolic campaign to stop me from posting both here and on the BBC. Ruth's now seemingly 'tender' concern for Sam or his sites is very sickening to me, because for weeks now, months actually, she's been saying the most personal things about Sam on this board and the BBC, where her posts were finally removed, after I told the BBC I would sue them if they were not. She is one of a strong, small group who follow me round. I see that sadly, FolkieDave has also joined the ranks now too. Your choice Dave. However, if you look on The Albion Chronicles thread from about 3 days ago now, you'll see what happened a while back. That thread, which I started a very long time ago, when I first discovered Sam's sites, was recently revived, for no reason other than to have a go at me...and to try and get to me through Sam, following the most appalling behaviour on the BBC. I did not respond. And so...it was revived again just the other day, for exactly the same reason. That reason being 'keeping the pressure up' I'm sorry that she's doing it yet again in here, but it won't stop I'm afraid, not until she and her friends have tried their damndest to drive me away. Sam's sites are memories, interests and inspiration. They are a gathering together, in one place, of many items on the same subjects. Sam writes a great deal in there himself. He has poured a great deal of himself into those pages as well, because he has a true love of the music and of his country. Nothing is done for commercial gain, there is not one word in there of malice, or spite or unpleasantness...purely pages and pages of supportive and interesting information, gathered into one place for those who wish to read it. However, this will now be blown out of proportion and used over and over again to try and put him into disrepute and his pages also. It's the way 'they' work I'm afraid. Ruth has dragged my personal life across this board and across the BBC board. I'm stunned to hear her mention that she's divorced actually, as she did above, because I'd have thought if that were truly the case, then she'd know about the pain involved in that part of life. Obviously, she couldn't give a hoot, as she has dragged my family through deep er...'muck' (for want of a better word) on other threads in here and on the BBC also...whilst also revealing my real name, without my permission. If her concern for Sam is real, then her 'using' of his sites and my personal life, will, I'm sure, stop. However, I'd not hold out too much hope if I were you. It's one of those cases of having to have walked a mile in someone's moccasins to understand the full picture here... Hope this helps a little anyway.. Lizzie |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: skipy Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:27 AM I'm only 9! Skipy |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: The Barden of England Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:20 AM I didn't get into Folk until the age of 49. That was back in 1993, nor had I picked up a guitar until then either, but I didn't let that stop me. Why does it seem to matter what age you are for goodness sake. This ageism thing really gets my 'dander' up. I'm a teenager that's just happened to have got to the age I am. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:20 AM I sell books on folk music at festivals. I have a special table for adults carrying beer. It is clearly marked. They still put their beer on the table full of books. Then I mention how much some of the books cost. They move the beer at that point. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Bee Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:12 AM Hawker makes a couple of good points: cost for families, and the intolerance some adults have for the young. When I have sold expensive and breakable work at fairs, I've often had parents tell their children not to touch. It's been my experience that most children are more sure handed then adults, and normally aren't planning to break a stranger's posessions. I usually tell the parents touching is fine, and truthfully, the two incidents of damage I've had were both a result of rough handling by adults. Children and young people do deserve more respect than they are sometimes offered. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:08 AM No that was not Sean Bean. There was the Canadian who had his name/place of birth tattooed in his anatomy. one person thought his name was Stan, one thought it he came from Saskatchewan....or was it Sam? Sheffield United were one of the earliest football league clubs founded in 1889. And Bramall Lane was the first ground in the country to have floodlights. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Hawker Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:05 AM Guest, who thinks they should pose as a guest, you say: 'Much as it seems worthy to support tiny festivals like Miskin do you think these events are going to keep folk music thriving? One look at the websites of these smaller festivals and photographs of the audience profile will give you your answer.' I hope that you were inferring that they would! Miskin is a superb place for kids to immerse themselves in the folk and traditions of great Britiain. If you DID look at the photographs, what you would see, was a very large amount of younger, and according to the photos, VERY happy people, taking an active part in the festival. Morris dancing with Herbaceous Border, Clog dancing, playing music, mumming, pace egging, making corn dollies, making folkie friends with whom they feel comfortable performing - one group of youngsters kept me awake half of the night playing, but it was so good I actually enjoyed being kept awake. There are many younger acts also at Miskin - Mash, a group of young Musicians won the Harry Prigg trophy there a couple of years ago, and they were stunning. Then there is the story telling round the fire, too, all these things are what makes this the ONE festival in the year that my kids WILL NOT miss. What, I think, more makes for a lack of younger folkies at Larger festivals, is probably the higher cost of buying a ticket, granted you may be paying for 'more famous acts' but, may I say, not necessarily 'better acts' Cost wise, for our family of 2 adults and 2 kids - one 16 and one 12, to go to Miskin, will cost for camping & tickets £109.50 and to go to Sidmouth the cost is £572. Granted it is for a longer period, but even so it is beyond our price bracket, the smaller festivals also are more family friendly, The amount of times I have been frowned at 'cos my kids are making a noise, but I have seen more noisy and rude adults talk through singers performances and strangely they dont seem to get the same treatment that parents of kids get! Im not knocking bigger festivals, I am sure that there are those who do enjoy them, but dont demean the smaller ones, which in my opinion have so much more to offer. I cannot abide all this mud slinging, this is, after all the Mudcat cafe not the Mudslinging Cafe! The idea I think, unless I am mistaken, is that we are a group of people with a common interest, In order to ensure that folk music survives, which it will anyway!, it should be a sharing thing, FOLK of the people, for the people, by the people, It saddens me that it needs to be so commercialised, and that with commercialisation comes a sort of class divison. I for one will not be told what I should and should not like, and love the folk process of passing on. With that passing on, there will be changes, it is inevitable and nothing is set in stone. Before the likes of Cecil Sharp and Baring Gould there was no standardisation of tunes, so a person would sing it as they heard it from uncle bill or whoever, now if you stand up and sing a song, somebody will often tell you that you have got the tune wrong - things have lost their old magic, but then that is part of the changing face of traditional music. There, I shall stand down from my soap box. As for you Mr Observer, you are most observant! LOL Cheers, Lucy |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Bee Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:54 AM Lizzie, I must agree with Ruth that copy-pasting without attribution (or permission) is simply wrong, as well as illegal. If you have never had your work stolen, at least try to imagine how it feels. I am right now attempting to help a young person whose artwork is in danger of being stolen wholesale by well-meaning older folks (some in positions of authority) who don't see anything wrong with that (and should know better). She is distressed and overwhelmed trying to put the rabbit back in the hat and regain control of her personal work. In the case of promotional materials, it takes no great effort to email the originators, ask permission, promise to include details of attribution and original sources, and usually the response will be positive. Not bothering to do that is either ignorant or uncaring, and still definitely wrong. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:27 AM >>>The soil was too poor to make that, IMO. Ahhh....So follow me down Cousin Jack.... :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) xx |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: GUEST,Sparticus Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:22 AM Are they in the Premier League Dave? I thought the tattoo was on a different part of his anatomy. Rumour has it that it read "1pntde" until he got naked in Lady Chatterly's Lover. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: bubblyrat Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:16 AM Having read all of the above replies & responses, I have to say that I don"t know what all the fuss is about !! Last year at Sidmouth , the "season ticket " for the childrens' events SOLD OUT very quickly !!There seem to be more & more children going to ,and performing at, Sidmouth, than ever before , which I find very encouraging (as long as they don"t get their hands on a birdie-whistle ! ) Folkie Dave ---Yes, I went to IVDIF at Exeter in 2004--I was in the ceilidh -band that played all Sunday afternoon, and it was GREAT to see so many young people enjoying the music & the dancing, people like Zoe ( Hello Zoe !! ) who was working her socks off at the Ham marquee last August !! My God, I wish I was her age again !! If anyone likes to look on the Miskin website, and browse through the photos taken in the last 3 or 4 years, they will find much evidence of young people, some VERY young, in fact, taking part in all manner of folk , and folk-related , activities , under the watchful eye of "Jan " ( and her van !), and some very good budding young musical performers, too. In fact, if too many young people got to be interested in Miskin, there wouldn"t be enough room for everyone else ! The Irish musicians that I know, when they are not performing with their various bands, exhibit a markedly un-mercenary love for their music, and will happily play for hours on end on a monday night in Slough, for a pint or two and a bit of chicken. And if Tom King didn"t lay that on, they"d STILL play for the love of it, because that"s what they are like. So there ! Those of us that have been lucky enough, over the last few years, to become acquainted with the traditional music "scene" of Canada & Cape Breton, courtesy of La Bottine Souriante , Slainte M" Hath, Les Chauffeurs a Pieds, et al, are now well aware of how vibrant & "alive & Kicking " that scene is !! So on the whole, I don"t think there"s much to complain about, really, do you ?? I"d say the future for folk and folk traditions in this country looks to be in good hands ! |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Surreysinger Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:16 AM Damn - no - Shimrod got it instead. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Surreysinger Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:15 AM Hey look at that - can I go 100? Or will someone else get there first? |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:15 AM Rule No.1 "If it looks like you might be losing the debate, mainly as a result of not 'putting your brain in gear' before typing, resort to annoying repetition, misdirection and paranoia". It's a crap strategy, with little chance of success, but if it's all you've got ... |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Surreysinger Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:14 AM Yes, and yes to the first two of those points Dave.... and the relevance to the thread (apart from your obvious love of Sheffield) is??????? But I understood that there was strategic positioning of a leaf in shot in one scene at least to cover up the tattoo. Oh sorry, I forgot ... that particular thread creep was introduced by bringing Sharpe into it. A great series, but nothing to do with the subject under discussion! |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Folkiedave Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:08 AM Did you know that Sean Bean who plays Sharpe was a Sheffield United supporter? He even has "100 percent Blade" tattooed on his arm. That was very awkward when he was filming Lady Chatterly's lover for the TV series and they had to cover the tattoo up with a plaster and make up when he got naked. Of course Sheffield United have had a middling sort of season. They have had some good results against teams above them (of which there are a fair number). Looks like they may survive in the Premier League. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Surreysinger Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:07 AM "Ooh...haven't you read about Maud Karpeles, Ruth/Joan...I reckon Cecil had a twinkle in his eye you know!" Having been in conversation with an academic who HAS done research into Sharp and other collectors the other day, and hearing about reported conversations on the subject the suggestion is that the relationship between the two of them was of the father/daughter type.... I don't pretend to be an expert myself. So what is the cited reference you have that would support your rather flimsy theory, Lizzie? |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Scrump Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:45 AM The soil was too poor to make that, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:41 AM >>>It's called, "The Garden Path". Actually, there are many links to Garden Websites on Sam's pages...and many pages about nature too...You're absolutely right! Here's one about a very big garden path... Eden |
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Subject: RE: It's Our Little Club (comment) From: Ruth Archer Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:38 AM Lizzie, it's not a case of "use him to get at her". Nor is it a case of whether someone likes the sites or not. The website is full of stolen content. You were the one who posted links to it all over the folk messageboards, so you clearly wanted to draw attention to it. The material on it is there illegally. You still haven't managed to defend this - it's just people "getting at you". His world may be a million miles away from mine, but I suspect that litigation exists there, too. There's no hatred or malace here, apart from what's in your own head. And I'm telling you this for Sam's own good: get him to at least put in proper attributions, so that the original authors, or at least websites, are credited for their work. Otherwise he might find the whole site closed down one day because one of the people whose work has been stolen complains to his ISP. And what a waste of all his time and effort that would be... |
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