42 days to no smoking (UK)

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 09:57 AM

Fair point there, Dave.
It's also true that nowadays you cannot depend on simple politeness for decent behaviours (like not lighting up where there were non-smokers around), as you could not so long ago, certainly within living memory. I don't know how selfishness and crassness crept in, but it has, and it seems that one has to legislate now against many things that would have been impolite, even unthinkable, before. I am vociferous against PC madness, but I can also see the need for some of it (I know the new smoking legislation has nothing to do with PC, I amk simply extrapolating to behaviours generally).

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 09:45 AM

Aye - Here it is. I was out with Abram Morris all day yesterday and in the pub at night, I had my last cigar inside - I don't generaly smoke but I thought I would enter into the spirit of the thing:-) Before anyone thinks I have gone mad(der?) I have had the occasional smoke since giving up 15 years ago - About twice a year! Won't be out now till the open mic night in Monkseaton on Tuesday but I am looking forward to seeing (or rather smelling) the difference.

Whoever asked 'how come the pubs have suddenly decided that smoke rooms and adequate ventilation are a good idea' hit the nail on the head. It is the point I have been trying to make all along. In the 60's and 70's the pub trade decided it would be a 'good idea' (read 'more profitable') to make pubs open plan and get rid of all the small rooms. Apart from the odd one or two sensible chains, like Weatherspoons for instance, they would commit no money to ventilation and now they are whinging like idiots anout the restrictions. It wasn't just big business either - The small independants were almost as bad. I kept harping on about the licensed trade, not the governmant, being the main instigator of this legislation and until now no-one else seems to have picked up on it. So - Thanks:-)

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 09:25 AM

The smoking ban is now a "fait accompli", but it occured to me that smokers haven't really appreciated non-smokers position - over and above the obvious health hazards - because a) they ( i.e. smokers) don't really feel the unpleasant sideaffects of a smokey environment i.e. stinging eyes and smelly hair and clothes. Smokers can't smell the smoke on their hair/clothes, and have become immune to the "stinging eyes" syndrome.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 04:37 AM

Nobody likes a bad loser. :-)

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,acv
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:20 PM

Rog
"By the time I get back, the 42 days will be up so I guess this thread will have closed"
Alas - you have no chance - even after tomorrow, this thread will still be worming its miserable way to the top of the list. (Or else a replacement, 'examining' in tiresome detail the aftermath of June 30/July 1)
Cheers
Mick

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Asthmatic Pub-goer
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:20 PM

oh, and how often in public do you encounter
an anti social pissed-up loud mouth aggressive arshole
who is not also a smoker !!??


seems to me at least, quite significant 'co-incedental' behavoural & personality traits..


And tonight,
I don't find it too hard to imagine there will be many incedents of public violence,
triggered by peeved pisshead smokers banging on loudly and aggressively
about the 'errosion' of their civil liberties..

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,s particus
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:18 PM

All the best

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:11 PM

Have a good night.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:09 PM

Well I'm off out set dancing now. By the time I get back, the 42 days will be up so I guess this thread will have closed.

Best wishes to you ALL!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:58 PM

Or do we have to await the first "1st no smoking day (UK) - how has it been for you?" thread

I think it already exists. See BS: Non Smokers thread England UK

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:49 PM

then he might like to consider the premise that smokers pay for their own health care instead

As I said, "a suggestion"!

a little disturbed at the juvenile taunting by some of the anti-smoking lobby here

Agree.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:45 PM

Sparticus
I will of course not stoop to personal abuse, but will just remind you that this thread is about no smoking in enlosed spaces and not in the community at large. If you wish to discuss the ills of smoking and drinking at large then perhaps you should start another thread.
You might add 'the ills of being personally abusive'

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,active, chance visitor
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:44 PM

All of you sad, sad folk submitting 'countdown' posts every x days / hours :

get a life.

(Or do we have to await the first "1st no smoking day (UK) - how has it been for you?" thread)

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:42 PM

My personal freedom is being increased by the requirement that people step outside to smoke.

I've nothing against smoking, just, not in my lungs.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,sparticus
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:37 PM

Rog

If you knew your arse from your elbow and weren't trying to be such a smart arse, you'd realise that the references to drinking were made in an attempt to point out the effects that alcohol have on the community. Surely, if tobacco is such an evil in our society, then the evils perpetrated through the abuse of alcohol should be addressed next by the government, or do you think that that would an abuse of our personal freedoms?

I'm a non-smoker as well, by the way but one who worries about the erosion of our personal freedoms and also a little disturbed at the juvenile taunting by some of the anti-smoking lobby here.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:29 PM

Eanjay
I didn't suggest that they 'should' pay for their health care, only that if GUEST Horton was worried about the 2 extra pence on tax that might acrue, and that that be a reason for not having a ban, then he might like to consider the premise that smokers pay for their own health care instead.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:20 PM

I'm talking about suggestions like they should pay their own healthcare.

I did say some suggestions and not all suggestions.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 02:17 PM

some suggestions directed at smokers are unreasonable

"Don't smoke indoors in public places" is an unreasonable requirement, eanjay?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 01:58 PM

I don't really understand the comparison between smoking and drinking, in an enclosed space. Drinkers only become a nuisance and risk being injurious to others when they become drunk. A smoker only has to ight up one cigarette. So I propose a ban on drunkenness and smoking in confined spaces.

Only 5 hours to go, whoooopeeeeeee!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Uncle Boko
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 12:28 PM

Went to the Green Note in Camden last night - SMOKE FREE, wonderful, ven with the veggie food - next time I'll take a pork pie!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:47 AM

This should help the smokers :-)

To take your mind off smoking

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:42 AM

I haven't actually noticed anybody whinging.

I'm a non-smoker and I have never smoked but that doesn't mean that I can't see that some suggestions directed at smokers are unreasonable.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Asthmatic Pub-goer
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:32 AM

squirm adicts, squirm !

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:26 AM

They do whinge don't they?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:24 AM

A whole new world is about to evolve for you.
Enjoy!
Jim

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:11 AM

8 hours to go

tick tock tick tock

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,sparticus
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:06 AM

"a town noted for its supposedly violent pub culture" - due, I suppose, to the inhalation of too much smoke?? Not likely!

Every town in the land has the same claim to fame.

I've never heard of anyone going home, beating the wife and terrifying the children because they've had too many ciggies!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 10:50 AM

These are 2 different issues.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Asthmatic Pub-goer
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 10:38 AM

Depends on the degree to which their 'dangerous' activities
feck up the health and well being
of all the rest of us in a community.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 10:27 AM

This idea that smokers should pay for their own health care always amuses me .................. like people who participate in dangerous sports pay for theirs, like people who overeat pay for theirs, like people who do too much sunbathing and don't use blockers pay for theirs, like ...............

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Asthmatic Pub-goer
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 09:47 AM

so..

Up until now I am 'threatened' by selfish nicotine addicts every time I go out to a pub to try to enjoy a few pints.

I can't even remember the last time my night out was marred
by threateneingly troublesome drunkards.

Btw, I live in a town noted for its supposedly violent pub culture;
well not in any pubs & clubs I prefere to drink.


Also interesting to note how many patheticly weak smoking addicts are also
abjectly obese !

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,sparticus
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 09:37 AM

Pub-goer

The sentiments expressed in your last post equally apply to the effects that alcohol have on the community.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Asthmatic Pub-goer
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 09:15 AM

Anyway, who in their right mind is expected
to readily trust and respect the judgement & motives
of incurable addicts,
intent on arguing to be left free & unrestrained
to continue selfishly inflicting discomfort
and ill health on everbody else in the community ?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Asthmatic Pub-goer
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 08:49 AM

"They are probably subsidising the health care of non smokers."

So the selfish smoking ****s effin well should !

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,sparticus
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 07:17 AM

Sorry, last post was mine.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 06:56 AM

That WOuldn't work, Rog. Currently the tax from cigarettes etc is about 9 billion, and the NHS costs for the same number of smokers are estimated at about 2 billion (heard this on Radio 4 this week). Smokers would gladly pay their own NHS costs if they saved the smoke tax in its place.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 06:40 AM

If you are correct Horton in your assessment of the tax situation, a fairer way to recoup the losses might be to make smokers pay for their health care.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Horton
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 04:47 AM

Great, hope the takings go down in all the pubs as they have done elsewhere.

Hope more people stop smoking and the government see this and tax the hell out of everyone.

If 4% of the population stop in the next twelve months the government will have to add 2 pence to the basic income tax rate.

So with a bit of luck they will, and with an expected rise in interest rates in August it should make a nice Christmas !

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: vectis
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:51 PM

Only 1 day to go Yipppppeeee!

Oh! And 300

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Roll on Sunday [actually]
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:39 PM

..unless these [BNP shop front ???] wankers can 'pull off' a legal challenge..???

http://www.freedom2choose.co.uk/

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:33 PM

In time maybe. There are lots of people who have got out of the habit of going to pubs because they found the smoky atmosphere unpleasant. Especially former smokers. They won't all come back overnight.

But I suspect there may well be more of those than there are of regular smokers in pubs these days. I'm sure there are pubs where it's been different, but in most places they're a very small number.

Anyway it's a done deal now, and we'll see how it works out from Sunday on.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 06:59 PM

If all of this correspondence is to be beleived then the pubs are going to be packed to the rafters with all those non-smokers who have previously been unable to visit a bar because of the cigarette smoke.


Will not happen. The smell of cigarette smoke has to got rid of first.

Lasts for ages so once the stink has gone maybe the places will fill up.

Tell me, why - now it has become too late - have pubs suddenly decided no-smoking rooms and ventilation have suddenly become a good idea?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Kampervan
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:44 PM

If all of this correspondence is to be beleived then the pubs are going to be packed to the rafters with all those non-smokers who have previously been unable to visit a bar because of the cigarette smoke.

Or maybe not?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Roll on Monday
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 11:28 AM

wahey..!!!! so Junes a 30 day month.. of course.. innit !!

so I can have a smog free pint this Sunday afternoon..

even better !!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,RoM
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 11:13 AM

"Roll on Monday" - Sunday, surely?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Roll on Monday
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:47 AM

yeah.. can dream though..

Dunno why Brewers can't help provide a medium term solution
by supplying bottles of nicotine enriched lagers and alcho-pops
for the most obstinately addicted puff heads..

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:04 AM

Restrictions on where you can use drugs, such as tobacco, makes sense. But going further than that emphatically does not.

Prohibition of alcohol in the States was a disaster. The same goes for "the war on drugs". Prohibition of "sales of all smoking related products" would just put billions of pounds into the pockets of the dope dealers, and would probably serve to greatly increase use of all kinds of other illegal drugs.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Roll on Monday
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 08:35 AM

well theres no reasoning with addicts & rednecks..


Next positive step forward, a ban on sales of all smoking related products !!!!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,barman
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 07:49 AM

"I wonder what the male crowd in any bar fifty years ago would have said if you announced that in the future you couldn't have a smoke while having a pint with your mate but you could marry him?? "

Well said - the way things are going, drinking will be next on the list.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 06:53 AM

Yes chase all smokers into the closet.

No, quite tye reverse. Get them out of enclosed spaces like closets where they are smoking the place out. Bring them out into the fresh air and the open, where they can keep off the flies and the midges.