42 days to no smoking (UK)

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rasener
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 11:03 AM

What was wrong with the Horn JennyO :-)

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: JennyO
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 09:01 AM

I used to have a car that smoked. It needed new rings.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 08:40 AM

Skipy - if your car is owned by your company then may very well apply (I think they class company cars as rooms). And if you carry passengers in a company car it very definitely does. Including a hire car - hired by the company. If you hire it personally maybe not.

If the car decides to smoke - I would advise YOU get out quick - PAL.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 06:57 AM

In Italy it's illegal to smoke anywhere around children under 12 or pregnant women.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Folkiedave
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 06:21 AM

Skipy, I gave up successfully then started again after about four years - in my case a death in the family. Later it was the consultant.

But I don't whinge about smokers - at least I try not to.

I hate smoking in pubs now - and I live in Spain part of the time where the problem is one hundred times worse. The Spanish brought in a law about smoking in bars - one bar I know well has a no-smoking area. But they put ashtrays on the tables just in case!!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 22 Jun 07 - 05:47 AM

To answer your question TB,
It was caused by a life changing event called divorce followed by meeting a partner that was a smoker! The rest is history.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 07:49 PM

Why start smoking again after 11 years off it too? Did some nanny say you were such a good boy, so you did it for devilment?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 07:37 PM

"Do you go outside to fart?"

Obviously I would do my best to avoid farting in a pub or restaurant, if I possibly could. Wouldn't most people?

However that felt like a rhetorical question, implying that skipy might disagree. Well, that's consistent, I suppose...

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,GEUST
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 07:23 PM

Die however you like, as soon as you like..

..just don't take me/us down choking with you..

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 07:08 PM

"willfull perverse block-headed harmfull stupidity"
Guest guest, you my know me you may not, non of us live forever, I for one don't want to die of old age I would rather die for a cause, my choice, your call.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:58 PM

Well I mean, you might have to make the choice.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:56 PM

Of course, the real trouble comes when you drop your lighted cigarette on the seat between your legs!

'Fate worse than death.' comes to mind.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,GEUST
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:52 PM

Skipy..

high IQs

and willfull perverse block-headed harmfull stupidity

are sadly not mutually exclusive..

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:32 PM

eanjay, it is not proposed as part of the no smoking debarcle, it is along with the mobile phone law (which for the record I for one agree with). Next will come speaking to a passenger, nose picking, farting, sneezing etc. etc.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:31 PM

In my area in the US smoking is now banned to almost all indoor space...including bars, pubs & restaurants. People are adapting and business is actually increasing in many places....and fewer people are STARTING to smoke because they have fewer role models. It is a blessing.

...and now *I* can come to the UK and go to pubs and enjoy your good beer safely...*smile*

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:26 PM

Many years ago when I rolled my own, I could roll a cigarette while I was driving. What a bloody dangerous thing to do, I hope they've banned that.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:15 PM

Is the proposal to ban smoking when driving being done because it's smoking or is it because it's going to be put in the category of eating and drinking when driving i.e.not always 2 hands on the wheel?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:06 PM

Guest Geust:-
if you feel no longer wanted by our more healthy & intelligent society.

I was not going to pick up on this, however as someone else has so will!
As my IQ is over 140 I did take umbridge at your insinuation that smoking is related to IQ, I found your rant insulting, perhaps that was your whole idea, you are a sad person & they WILL come for you at some point.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:59 PM

Mh Do you go outside to fart?
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:58 PM

Kitty , you are so, so wrong, google it, there is a move afoot to ban smoking whilst driving due to go through parliament this October.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:28 PM

No Skipy, it's only when you have the pbone in the other hand that you'll be in trouble smoking when driving! And the non-smokers have had smoke pushed on them for a long time.

For smoked fish, go to Whitby.....

During the 11 years you gave up smoking, what part of the smoking experience did you miss most?

Kitty

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 05:03 PM

There would have been no need for this ban, and no call for it, if only smokers had had the good manners to go outside when they smoke. They didn't and they don't. I don't think I've ever seen anyone leave a pub or similar place to light up, except where they have been officially required to do so.

And of course if smokers were to do that, as a matter of good manners, they wouldn't even notice that this law existed, because it wouldn't affect them or anyone else.

Nanny state? Well, when you have infantile behaviour...

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 04:43 PM

Rog, I as stated now many times do NOT have a problem with not smoking in various venues, I do however have a problem with having these laws pushed upon us.
The next thing they are working on is banning us smoking in our own car (when driving).
Soon they will move on fishing! Personally I hope they do as this will be the end of them.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 01:36 PM

Actually - smokers are not a group that governments anger lightly. They are numerous and vote. ditto beer drinkers, ditto football fans.

FWIW the revenue from tobacco is the reason that it has taken this long for action. Maybe they have done their sums and looked at the real cost in the NHS of tobacco. On everyone - let alone smokers.

My feeling is that (say) motor sports like Motocross would be banned if you looked at the equation in that depth. Little tax revenue, and plenty of hospital visits - some quite lengthy.

Skipy - you should recognise a devil's advocate when you see one. I live and let live except for politicians - don't get me started on any of them - ....................... colour is not a political preference in Rouge Towers - matey.............

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 12:27 PM

"I have no problem at all with not smoking in folk clubs, restaurants, cinemas, theatres swimming pools! etc.
This is about being pushed around by a nanny goverment who will go for the easy target all the time......"

Come on Skipy, if everyone behaved towards everyone else with consideration, there would be no need for any laws atall. No-one would smoke in pubs in case other patrons found it offensive. Unfortunately it is not a perfect world populated wholly with considerate benevolent people that we live in. I can't ever remember being in a pub and someone saying "do you mind if I smoke" - ever!

It's been my experience that some people use the 'nanny state' arguement when laws are passed that they are not in agreement with.

Tell me, is it actually the law that you disagree with or is it that somebody has presumed to impose it?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 12:06 PM

>>ingnoring the tide of crime that is sweeping this country. Allowing millions of scrougers to live off the state while we pay for it!<<

Well I suppport you there Skipy 100%

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,GEUST
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:57 AM

well, 'they' let me in and tolerate me sometimes
when I promise to behave myself nice enough..

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,browser
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:47 AM

"Stop whining and blaiming (sic) others for your 'misfortune'.
Resorting to this all other kinds of displacement & denial behaviour (eh?). will only result in YOU cutting off YOUR nose to spite YOUR face.I and millions of others dont (sic) a (sic) give a monkeys (sic) if you feeel (sic) no longer wanted by our more healthy & intelligent society"

GUEST,GEUST - do you really feel you belong to that 'intelligent society'?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:36 AM

My sincere apologies, I have not checked it & will not check, I am more than prepared to take your word.
Regards Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,GEUST
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:18 AM

Skipy..

check the mudcat history of my name.




I promise I will now use it consistently in this thread..

Just as a favour for you......................

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:08 AM

Time for your medication, go and see nursy see if she can tell you your name so that you can use it next time!
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,GEUST
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 10:00 AM

Why has this thread become a perniciously persistent BNP propaganda vehicle !!!???

BTW........

Weak pathetic snivelling selfish smoking addicts..


Face up to your addiction and deal with it positively.


Stop whining and blaiming others for your 'misfortune'.


Resorting to this all other kinds of displacement & denial behaviour.

will only result in YOU cutting off YOUR nose to spite YOUR face.

I and millions of others dont a give a monkeys

if you feeel no longer wanted by our more healthy & intelligent society.


Stay at home and poison yourselves in the privacy of your own dens of hopeless addiction.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 09:18 AM

Yes well we all know why you want people to go in in the first few days, but it won't last, trade will fall off, pubs will close and you will lose venues. But none or few of you will come back to report this when it happens.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 09:09 AM

And nor do I have any problem with people not smoking in confined spaces such as folk clubs, restaurants etc.

But, like most people, I do have a problem with people smoking in such places. And we won't from July 1st, and for that I am very grateful.

In fact I'm looking forward to having a smoke-free celebratory drink on that day. And I suggest that people who welcome the ban should make a point of doing so, including especially the many people who have felt reluctant to go into pubs because of the smoke.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:47 AM

MG read my post above have I not just said that I do not have a problem with:-

Here it is for you again,

Cut & paste.
I have no problem at all with not smoking in folk clubs, restaurants, cinemas, theatres swimming pools! etc

Now scroll up 2 threads & see if it is there!
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:41 AM

But being pushed around by people who insist on smoking in places where that causes discomfort to others, rather than wait until they can step outside for a few moments, that's quite OK.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 08:01 AM

Mr Red, you like many are completely up the wrong track with this one, I have no problem at all with not smoking in folk clubs, restaurants, cinemas, theatres swimming pools! etc.
This is about being pushed around by a nanny goverment who will go for the easy target all the time, the motorist, the smokers, whilst ingnoring the tide of crime that is sweeping this country. Allowing millions of scrougers to live off the state while we pay for it!
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 07:49 AM

The real problem here - surely - is a fact we all know and have been there ourselves in many cases.

Lack of cigarettes (and even the threat of it) makes smokers

BLOODY IRRITABLE OK?

Skipy - the ban does not prevent you from doing anything except smoke in a public room. The rest is a personal choice and we respect that - but reserve the right to think those choices are not irrevocably linked in any other way.
I remember you 20 years ago being at the Highworth Club run by another smoker - Bill Bailey. It was no smoking then. They had no beer breaks - but two fire breaks. And you thought that description was amusing. How things change.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Uncleboko
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 07:32 AM

10 days to go!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Cathie
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:57 AM

By the Way - Tescos are selling patches - 2 packets for the price of one for anyone interested.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:44 AM

Acctually I don't think the BNP does support smoking I don't know for sure I haven't checked but there again have you?
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 06:23 AM

The BNP supports the right to blow smoke in the face of the rest of us and doesn't give a fig about our right to breathe clean air and not smell like an ashtray after a night out? That figures.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 21 Jun 07 - 04:49 AM

Dear Mr Bemused, without the bottle to use the same name twice!
BNP is not the party it used to be, check their web site, read what they have to say.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Alice
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 11:05 PM

I'm trying to picture what the conflict is between the valuable volunteer work
and smoking outside. It is a shame you would quit your work. Can't you just
go out for a smoke? Or is it that you have a cigarette lit all the time? Too many
smokes a day so you would always be outside?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Bemused
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 09:25 PM

..so how come everyone is 'overlooking' skipys earlier claim here
that he has become a BNP activist because of his 'principles'?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 06:44 PM

Kitty, that is why I sit outside the sings, never going in so as I do not cause a problem, but that is not enough for the nannies, they want me to sit in another country.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 06:37 PM

Skipy - of course you have a right to smoke, but it cuts both ways, while you're smoking, it desensitises you to the effects, you just don't notice that your clothes, hair, skin smell bad and that the somke makes others' clothes, hair, skin smell bad, smokers have been having bad effects on non-smokers (especially asthmatics) for years and years. I lost my voice on the first day of Whitby festival, because I sang in a smoky pub, and I had to leave Tony and Pearl's essential sing at Chippenham this year because of the smoke, even though it was the first year for ages that I could (in theory) have sung in the Rose and Crown because my singaround started later.

Please don't stop the great things you do for folk music and folk for MS because you aren't allowed to smoke indoors.

Kitty

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 06:02 PM

Hear hear Villan!

Nor me Skipy,....honest. If you feel I have been taking the mickey, then I'm sorry, that was never my intention.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 03:54 PM

Skipy,, your principles are so strong, you are letting them get in the way of all the good you do.
Yes people will suffer for your decisions to resign, but I can't help thinking that you are letting the smoking or inability to do it in the future be the punishment to everybody who depends on you.

Surely you should be above that. be strong and show everybody how you can continue and do all your good work, even if you feel you are being victimised.

I am certainly not taking the piss out of you, as I used to smoke 50 a day and it took me a lot of will power to stop.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 02:24 PM

There are many of you who are enjoying taking the piss on this subject without a thought for the 30+% of us that this will affect straight away, it will make some changes NOT FOR THE BETTER for the rest of you.
This will change my life radically, my only Fun thing in life is to be chair of the Old Mill Hall in Grove (known to some of you as the venue for Folkforms) I have held the position for 11 years, incidentally no one else steps forward at election time! The hall is like a large village hall & last year held 1335 bookings! with several venues in use many time a day. I meet with the hall manager, sec, & caretaker for approx 1 hour every Monday & every Friday, to sign staff cheques, find out "What happened" at the weekend etc.
I have reluctantly had to resign as the meetings are in the pub. Of course holding the position has been good for Folk for ms.
I have been involved with the local cubs & scouts since my 2 where beavers, so ten years or so, I get involved with teaching & looking after the hut (a venue known to some of you as a singaround venue for white horse folk festival), I have resigned as the meetings are in the pub!
I can't sing, I can't play anything, I can't dance, so I can always be located on the edge of events, for instance, Chippenham Fest (24 years!) I can be located in the open space next to the sing room, from here on in I will have to be outside - what is the point of that, so why go, so why run a charity, why bother to run a festival!
The whole of my life may well change, I mmay leave folk music & charity behind me.
Skipy