42 days to no smoking (UK)

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 01:49 PM

This one is specially for you Skipy:

I heard on the news last evening that the foot-plate on steam engines, yes, you know, the ones which belch out clouds of smoke, are classed as a work area, and on them therefore smoking will be prohibited.

I was going to say "put that one in your pipe and smoke it Skipy! But I don't want to antagonise you too much.

Mind you Skipy,that sort of thing does your 'nannies' arguement no harm atall does it?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Cohiba
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 10:06 AM

I've selected a rather nice Cohiba Esplendido to savour (with a pint of Young's Special) in my local pub on Saturday June 30. What is your preferred brand?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Jun 07 - 08:08 AM

can you still buy 10's ?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 07:13 PM

10

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: vectis
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 11:32 AM

11 days

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 02:05 PM

12 days

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 06:35 AM

nice weather we are having - so the colleagues who pop-out for a breath of fresh air tell me.

Skipy - men wearing dresses would have been an arrestable offence before Wolfendon. How attitudes change!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 04:46 AM

Your logic still is still escaping me, skipy. What you seem to be saying is that because there are idiots who steal cars and drive them around while drunk and already banned, that it is wrong to clamp down on anyone else? What sort of world would we live in if everyone followed that sort of reasoning?

"Oh - the bloke next door mudered his wife so it is OK for me to just knock mine about a little."

"Well, they haven't caught everyone involved in the Brinks Matt robbery, so why should they arrest me just for nicking £10 from an old lady."

Skipy, I didn't think nicotine affected the thought process but it seems to be getting to you!

Dave.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 07:41 PM

Skipy, I'm sure you're a good bloke - but you don't seem to accept that when you smoke in a confined space that causes serious discomfort to lots of other people. It's just not a friendly thing to do. Outdoors it's no problem, apart from some situations when lots of people are all crowded together, in a concert maybe.

All you are being expected to do now is step outside for a few minutes when you are in a pub and feel like a smoke. The same way you would if you were visiting a friend who didn't like the smell of tobacco in their home. Not exactly a big deal.

Good manners, that's all is really. It's sad that it needed a law to stop some smokers messing up other people's enjoyment. And as often happens when the law comes into play, it's probably gone further than was strictly necessary - but that happened because smokers weren't taking the lead in removing the practice from situations which interfered with other people.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 05:36 PM

I don't drink drive at ALL, when I walk in the pub they pour me a pint because they know what I drink. If I am with car, & just going in to speak to someone I hold my keys up, this tells the staff not to pour one as I have the car in the car park.
However the point is:- the system cannot catch most of the pratts that do drink & drive on a regular basis! So now it is going for randon checks & nicking anyone who has had a 1/2 pint , that will put their figures up without attacking the problem children.
Steal a car, after you have lost your license (if you had one that is) & drive it around like moron whilst drunk & you will probaly get an on the spot £80.00 fine. Drink 1 pint & you are nicked & banned!
If you can't see what they are doing & why then I implore you to step back , take a look & THINK!
Skipy
The wedge is coming for you & yours!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 02:36 PM

I actually think that they should not allow drinking and driving at all.

By introducing no alcohol, sends the right message out.

I would much rather know that if I drive, then no alcohol.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 07:25 AM

In two weeks they won't be, skipy! If this causes the pub to close then I am afraid the majority of people in the country, being non-smokers, will not miss it in the slightest. Tough but true. And as to the limit for drink driving going down to a half pint - the sooner the better. When the government start to restict the activities of the drunken louts that rampage around our city cetres every weekend as well, I shall also welcome that.

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 07:10 PM

Well Mg come & have a pint in my pub, we are the majority!
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 06:26 PM

Wetherspoons has put out a leaflet in its pubs looking forward to the ban, and pointing to all the extra beer and food people can buy if they give up smoking. That's what I call positive thinking.

As for the stuff about tiobacco being more addictive than cocaine or heroin, I'm sure that's true for many people, and it's one good reason niot to get into smoking.

But no smoker should ever take that as a reason not to quit, because for quite a lot of people it's not hard at all, and you might be one of the lucky ones, like me and my father-in-law were.

I've recently been making a practice of counting the number of people smoking in the fairly sizeable and crowded barroom of a pub I frequent. The other day there were four, which is the highest yet. More typically it is one or two. Smokers don't always appreciate what a small minority they are. And I've never heard anyone apologizing for the discomfort they cause others, or thanking non-smokers for putting up with it all these years.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 06:03 PM

I know skipy, "It's a Hard Life Wherever You Go!" (Nanci Griffiths).

If I had a violin, I'd be playing it for you!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 04:28 PM

And I gave up smoking for 11 years!
Now they want to lower the ammount you are allowed to drink if you have the car with you to 1/2 pint!
The wedge! the wedge!
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 03:39 PM

I tried that tack Dave, I'm afraid you're flogging a dead horse.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 03:27 PM

skipy - you have posted some very meaningful and often funny contributions here but you realy need to sort youself out on this one. You really are just using the restrictions as another excuse for not giving up. It is classic addiction behavior and I am sure if you would just accept that you may find giving up, or at least not smoking in the presense of non-smokers, far easier.

Good luck. Just a fortnight to go:-)

Dave.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Coulddowithsomefreshair
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 06:45 PM

could do with some fresh air here..

bump !

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Jim Lad
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 02:15 AM

Hi Skipy: You know smoking's bad for your computer, right?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Your Feudal Lord
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 12:19 AM

Smoking is nasty. The government should regulate it. Then in the future if blonde hair becomes offensive, the precedent will be set for government enforcement. You people are natural born slaves.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Goodgriefwhyaminotinbedyet
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:19 PM

btw.. for any Americans joining in now..
you might want to consider the nature of the political party
for which Mr Skipy
claims to be an enthusiastic activist.. "BNP"

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Alice
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:08 PM

Skipy, sounds like damaging up your lungs and heart to spite the non-smokers
(like cutting off your nose to spite your face).

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Ohwhocaresanyway
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 08:37 PM

yeah.. sometimes you just cant make your mind up if a troubled insistently perversley minded individual
just needs a slap or a cuddle..???

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 08:32 PM

I'm so sorry to hear you say that you smoke as if it were a badge of freedom, Skipy. It's like hearing a girl who cuts herself say that this gives her control over her body.

Of course you have the right to do it if you want to, but I'm sad for you that you want to!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 08:09 PM

Skipy, some of those on your list are NOT about choices. I've worked too long in the health service to be other than convinced that you CAN make choices to improve your longevity and state of health on the way to the inevitable, which may be particularly uncomfortable if you die of smoking-related disease, be it cancer, arterial disease or COPD.
I'm currently watching my father-in-law slowly peter out through failing lung function after many years of too much smoking, so please don't be so flippant about it. (Although he has been known to say himself "you've all got to die of something").

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Concerned
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:55 PM

so what are the mental health criteria for getting an individual sectioned..?


apparently asylums will be exempt from anti smoking legislation..

hmmm.. perhaps some nicotine adicts might want to go voluntarily..!!!???

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:46 PM

Yes, without a doubt, smoking kills, non of us live forever, drugs kill, beer kills, motor bikes kill, skis kill, skateboards kill, parachutes kill, cars kill, aircraft kill, bees kill, mosquitos kill snakes kill, virus kill, terrorists kill, life kills!
Make your choices, you will die!
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:31 PM

Skipy: Smoking Kills: Ignore Peril Yourself!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:18 PM

Just how many more names are you going to have before you find the bottle to stand up and counted?
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Notsurprised
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:16 PM

well... wot a surprise !!!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:05 PM

CORRECT
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Alarmed
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 06:54 PM

I have become active with a "smaller" party ????

BNP ?????

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 05:09 PM

Rog, give up if you wish, I will not give up smoking or give in to the nannies, a livetime of political alliegence has now changed & I have become active with a "smaller" party, I know I can't win, but I can cause problems & I will.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 05:03 PM

O.K. Skipy, I give up. I'm not one to continue flogging a dead horse. If you'll pardon the expression.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 04:51 PM

Rog Peek, whoever you are:-
I stand by my right to smoke, smoke I will and I am smoking more & I will continue to do so, when they come to take me out they better be ready, really READY to deal with my fury because I will take some of them with me. So come for me when you think you are ready.
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Rog Peek
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 12:40 PM

Gave up and started again?

I know I've quoted this before, but I think Skippy, you need a reminder:

"A fire on one end and a fool on the other"

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:18 AM

Skipy smokes 100 cigarettes a day? Heavens!

I saw a very funny Horizon programme a few months ago, called We Love Cigarettes (if it's available online, say on Google Documentaries, which I can never find when I want it, maybe someone would post a link). Bill Nighy did the voiceover.

One of the great scenes was a doc talking about cholesterol as he cut into the arteries of a smoker during a heart op. He carefully peeled out a long white candle-wax-like cylinder, which was the cholesterol in one of the smoker's arteries.

It's a personal choice if you want to smoke, drink to excess, eat yourself to death or drive dangerously - but only if it doesn't endanger others. I'm asthmatic, and feel that my father's 80-a-day habit when I was a baby and my mother's 40- to 60-a-day habit throughout my childhood must have contributed. They didn't want to harm me, of course.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:03 AM

100 (a day)
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Notamused
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 10:02 AM

sorry Skipy mate.. tried to read it..

but it is really shite !

and most probably only hilarious for folks of a certain weak-minded self indulgent disposition.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:59 AM

Well Mr Gasping, give it a go, it's acctually humour & nothing to do with smoking.
What name will you hide behind next?
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Gasping
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:50 AM

well.. before we do.. it is of course the Telegraph !

wow.. wonder what we'll read there then....!???????

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:48 AM

You just got to read this!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/11/17/do1704.xml
Skipy

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Crane Driver
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:37 AM

Whether or not our local pub closes is to an extent up to us - use it or lose it. Like it or not, the restriction on smoking indoors is coming (has come already here in Wales). So make a point of going to the pub more often than before (great excuse!) and keep the pub going. Don't just go for the weekly sing, go on nights in between. And buy the pub's beer, don't sneak in a few cans from the offie. Or sit at home whining about erosion of freedom and let the pub close. Your call.

Andrew

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: GUEST,Mr Choked
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 08:37 AM

"Yes Dave I am, and the only thing stopping me giving up is that I will not be seen to give up due to the errosion of my freedoms!
Regards Skipy"

..and the only thing stopping me smacking pathetic whinging selfish public smokers in the mouth
is
I will not be seen to give up my self control due to the erosion of my lungs and provocation in the face of such sheer malignant stupidity

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:52 AM

Ted, what the **** has that got to do with restricting where people can smoke? I have seen nothing from people against that ban but red herrings and, if you'll excuse the expression, smoke and mirrors.

D.

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:49 AM

However landlords should have been allowed to designate certain rooms for smokers if they wish & have other rooms smoke free.

Aaaarrrggghhhh! That is one of the major points I have been making all along! Landlords and breweries have had this choice for many, many years and yet they chose not to. If the majority had been sensible and designated smoking and non-smoking rooms there may have been no need for legislation in the first place. But they didn't. They would not invest in the air filtration required. They were not interested in the long term benefits to everyone but only short term profits. And now it is not their fault, but the nanny governments? Pure fantasy and blame shifting by the licensed trade. They have no-one to blame but themselves.

I'll add my voice to those encouraging you to stop as well. I gave up more than 15 years ago and then, while working long term in Belgium where smoking seemed to be compulsory, I started again. Got back here and stopped again - 10 years ago or so.

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:34 AM

There was a report on this mornings television news, about a group of doctors who are pressing the Government to prosecute the parents of fat kids for neglect/abuse. I can't wait! At last, another section of society for the Nanny's to focus on away from smoking/car owning taxpayers such as myself.
ps: according to Radio 2 yesterday, the next subsection of motorists to be penalised are Women who drive in "inappropriate shoes" ie high heels. Go Nanny's, Go!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: villandeleted
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:24 AM

Silly bugger Skipy, why ever did you start again?

Subject: RE: 42 days to no smoking (UK)
From: skipy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 07:05 AM

You certainly have a freedon to avoid smoke, I could not argee more!
However landlords should have been allowed to designate certain rooms for smokers if they wish & have other rooms smoke free. Also where a landlords future is under threat because a high % of his cliental are smokers then the choice should have been up to him.
Oh! by the way I gave up smoking once - for 11 years!
Skipy