BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:46 PM

mine's a similar tale. you can educate all you want and give your kid a house with the daily mail and no books and no music and say to him 'the last 7 generations of your family have been in the border regiment' and it meant absolutely nothing when i visited my sister at stirling uni (1971) and heard john martyn and dylan -play it loud! met real people with real hair and real politics - and the drink and the dope - (at 15)the defining weekend of my life. nothing much changed til a few years later, when i was a student there myself in loon pants and velvet jacket, i saw the damned. well - that was a blast - shook things up a bit.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 09:22 AM

4 Decades ago my family proudly believed my passing the 11 plus
would be a passport to life as a comfortably well off gentleman.
Grammar School would educate the council estate out of me
and lead to a good permanent job in the Civil Service
and membership of an exclusive golf club.

Unfortunately what good education did do was divert me into a life of cultural & political dissent,
and a life as a pennyless unemployable smart arse agit pop punk folk guitarist........

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 07:03 AM

Don't fidget during an interview Al. It gives the game away.

They instinctively knew I had a ferret up my trousers.

And after all that money I spent on elocution lessons in Rotherham...

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 06:56 AM

I wish I was posh. I think posh people have an easier time of it. Particularly when it comes to getting jobs. Interviews - that sort of thing.

Underneath, we're all idiots. But some accents and mannerisms give the game away too easily.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:36 AM

'incompetence' certainly - but indolence too. the intensity of the class war being waged on 99% has been incessant since the '70s. we have lost badly with no sign of a meaningful fightback in europe or america. we just can't be arsed - surely we could get rid of them with a bit of effort. having stolen much of value in the many countries of the world -now they are looking to steal democracy. financiers in the greek government, 'legalised' electoral fraud in the usa and tories doing their anti-democracy thing in the uk.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:28 AM

So did I. Didn't half bring out a few stereotypes and most laughable of all, those who question the right of those who are different to them having the right to be put up for election?

I don't think the governing of this country is poor due to dogma, I think it is poor due to incompetence. There is a difference... A report yesterday in The Indescribablyboring questioning how so many senior civil servants, including many permanent secretaries have voted with their feet over the last three years.

Now that IS scary. Many USA commentators including past Presidents have admired how we only change the politicians at elections and the secretariat remains the same which allows for good continuity. Sounds like a lot of incompetent ministers have lost the handbrake....

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 07:29 PM

true enough - just quite enjoyed this thread

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 04:32 PM

That diatribe is very tired indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 03:42 PM

arrogant? posh? maybe we are too polite to these people and should treat them with the contempt they deserve. they are perpetuating a system that is robbing us all for their benefit. apparently they are so wealthy and well connected they don't need to pay tax and can't be prosecuted for their crimes - so they should be made to pay in other ways. anyone any suggestions?

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 01:19 PM

Apparently labour now have an eleven point lead in the polls even with Ed Milband.

I also like the quote earlier in the week about George Galloway:- "Why does everyone take an instant dislike to me?" -- "It saves time!"

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 05:34 AM

Maid's day off today - does that mean I have to do the washing up?? At least she was here to post our votes for Boris!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 05:25 AM

No Akenaton, I may or may not be arrogant, but you haven't put that to the test.

You see, your homophobic rants on these threads demonstrate that you want to change people who you don't agree with. I reckon that is a far better description of arrogance, don't you?

I don't want to change the world, (except in asking that people see other people as equals, and not judge them through bigoted preconceptions,) I just point out that democracy is possibly a crap system, but it is also the best hope we have.

Hence being bemused by Bridge's attempts to get people to hate others based on agreeing with their take on life. I didn't even hate Th*tcher, just hated what her policies did and how misguided they were. I have similar views on Osborn's priorities. I think Cameron is too hands off, hence cabinet running riot. Mind you, if he was more hands on, that could be a disaster too as he is not a good Prime Minister.

But I fully accept that they are there till an election says otherwise, and I shall cast my vote accordingly. In the meantime, I remain bemused by supposedly educated people spouting the idea that things should change by other than fair means, and by fair, I mean democracy. it's a little faded, a little ragged around the edges, but it still fits and still keeps us warm.

Oh, and sorry for answering your posts. I recall I once said I couldn't see any reason to ever try to engage you in debate, but that's the thing when you are not arrogant, you can change your mind.

Going to get a bath now. Pip Pip

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 04:21 AM

I've got a "Next" jacket...which i only wear on very special occasions and want to look "smart"??? :0(

How did you know the guys suit was "obscenely expensive"...or designer???.....I wouldn't have a clue about such things.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 09:28 PM

Back in the yuppie early 90's I was suffering a suit and tie job in central London

[me - poor wannabe mixed media artist desperate to pay off credit card debt].

I remember one morning being crushed as usual on the tube
on the way to another grinding boring life wasting days office tele marketing survival work;

me squashed right up close to an immaculately groomed classicly posh handsome youngish city banker type.

He was wearing one of the most obcenely expensive designer suits I'd ever seen.

Far better tailored material even than my own vain foppish office manager.

[by comparison, my jacket was 30 quid from "Next"]

Tube banker boys suit must have been at least 500 quid from the family tailor..

I was so crushed up and far too intimately close - morning rush hour.

So close I was overpowered in discomfort,

he reeked of shit - honking bad stink of badly wiped bum.

Lunch time at the pub, I dined out well on that story..

He must have been so posh and soo cosseted by 'nanny'
that for all his money and city glamour appearance,

he couldn't have ever learned how to properly wipe and wash his own arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 07:17 PM

When arrogance was being handed out Ian you were first in the queue, so I suppose we must treat your posts on the susject with respect, but if given a choice I think I would rather listen to Richard, who at least believes in real change though his methodology is a bit on the "liberal" side for my taste.

You on the other hand, seem to favour just keeping on as we are and hoping something will turn up.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 02:27 PM

currently reading -amongst several others- naomi klein's 'shock doctrine' frightening and very thorough account of the ruthlessness with which the american military/industrial elite and chums have been enforcing a particularly nasty strain of neo-fascist capitalism wherever they can. also reading alan davies' autobiography - a wee bit easier and one or two better jokes. and gormenghast, again.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 01:56 PM

I do read Bridge, and I hope I learn too.

I learned never to judge a book by its cover for starters. Even arrogant posh books...

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 11:01 AM

No, Mither, I said I used to be a one nation Tory. I was 20 then. I grew up and saw what the arrogant posh boys did. But keep reading, and you might learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 10:11 AM

Enjoy retirement Backwoodsman. Everyone I know or knew reckons retirement can be a bit too busy! (I "retired" when I sold up some business interests and resigned from the board, but within a short time, I started working again. I sincerely hope you are more clever than I and enjoy retirement instead!)

Al, point taken. Manton was of course a Yorkshire area pit physically in Nottinghamshire, so was a focal point for all. Hence criminal elements and radicals on all sides (Met and Merseyside being the constabulary criminal elements) focussed on Manton. My point was that some on these threads have been in favour of suspending democracy if it interfered with their ideology. I have little time for the naive at best, condescending at worst attitudes of the "arrogant posh boys" but also accept that many people voted for them, so they have at least as much right to govern as any if voting patterns are reliable.

I've just returned from South Africa where, on Robben Island, I spoke with Yasin Mohammed, who worked during apartheid in many countries, raising the profile of jailed civil rights activists and comrade of Mandella, and Sobukwe. He quoted Mandella in saying that to replace one system with another turns the oppressed into the oppressor, so what have you improved? These guys didn't want to govern, they wanted to ask the whole population who they wished to see govern for all.

So perhaps instead of questioning the right of "arrogant posh boys" to govern, perhaps stating that they would not get your vote would be a a bit better? Me? I'd vote for them tomorrow if they could deliver my idea of equitable government, same as I would vote for Screaming Lord Such if a) he could deliver and b) he was still alive to do it.

The trick is not to have a chip on your shoulder. Roots and heritage don't make good government, an economy that can and does deliver an equitable social program does that, regardless of whoever speaks for it and debates it.

Mind you, I treat Tory dogma with the same disdain as Bridge's barbecued donkey on the road to Damascus. (If you are sad enough to read everything he writes, you may recall he used to call himself a one nation Tory....)

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 09:59 AM

"""Substantial Pension" sounds better still.""

Or would, if we hadn't been robbed of five billion by "Victor Meldrew" Brown and the arrogant social climbers of the previous thirteen years.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 06:27 AM

"Substantial Pension" sounds better still.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 05:27 AM

That word "retirement" has a lovely ring to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 03:25 AM

Good luck fella.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 02:58 AM

'Guest' above was me, BTW, posting from my work computer which seems not to want to store cookies any more.
But I finish for good on Monday, Free At Last, so who gives a flying fuck any more?

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 02:57 AM

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 11:25 AM

memo to me ' must read all the messages '

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 09:22 AM

Bonzo was quoting from Ian Mather's post.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 07:58 AM

Which was your pit then bonzo ? I didn't know you were a collier back then, and in Yorkshire ?

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 07:24 AM

See! We dont have to come out of the same political egg to find common ground.
Common sense always trumps political ideology, thats what I've been trying to say ever since I fell into this snake pit.

We should try to examine every issue and see if there is anything positive there, try to pay attention to the facts and not be ruled by political doctrine.....as political doctrine is always manipulation of one kind or another.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 07:09 AM

"""liberalism" has come to mean abdication of personal responsibility.....the "someone else ill fix it" syndrome,usually the state, or anyone but "me".""

BLOODY HELL!

That tears it, good and proper. I agree with Akenaton

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 06:15 AM

"I saw Scargill claim every Yorkshire area pit voted to strike, which was curious as my pit voted not to, but the delegate said we had. A few lads questioned this and two ended up in hospital, and some others, yours truly included, were reminded of the time our wives took our children to nursery etc."

Scargill was a hideous arsehole.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 04:38 AM

Mither - I was following Nadine Dorries' summation.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 04:37 AM

Ake - I quite agree with your synthesis at 0305 Mudcat time, but most of the time I have great difficulty fathoming your meaning.   I thought you were proposing to remove benefits. That would be an uncivilised proposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 03:58 AM

"Worth a thread on its own!"

Maybe, though I'm no historian so I couldn't make any real objective case for the feelings I came away with.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 03:09 AM

Guest CS....I agree with quite a lot of your post.

Worth a thread on its own!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 03:05 AM

Richard...I cant believe you wrote that last post, a simplistic cop-out if ever I heard one.

I think you know exactly what I meant....that people do not matter to the leaders of this "democracy", if they are not viable, financially competitive "units".
" give them just enough to keep them fed, quiet and dependent.....and let the bastards rot"

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 02:30 AM

I think maybe your view of the miners strike depends on where you lived as much as anything. I had a miner/roadie at the time who similarly railroaded by the other lot. And in the end who was lying about the future of the mining industry under the tories - Scargill, or Thatcher and Tebbit. Tebbit I seem to remember guaranteeing that not a single miner would lose their jobs.

We had to have coppers patroling our street to protect the houses of NUM members.You were closer to Yorkshire, Ian. I was in the Sutton in Ashfield area.

What a long time ago it seems....

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,Ian Mather sans cookie
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 12:38 AM

Greetings from a bored bloke waiting for a delayed flight in Dubia. Must be bored to have read this thread.

I believe Bridge calls this thread something about posh boys running politics or something like that. (hard to scroll up all the time when using phone. ). There's something about style, substance and outcome here. If Cameron delivered a social program funded by economic growth, I wouldn't really care what his particular favourite brand of cavia was. Likewise, I have not been impressed up to yet with this coalition but wish to see any government succeed at pragmatic outcomes rather than be bitter, twisted and giggling at every cock up they make.

A question for a few of the usual suspects. Would you wish to see your views turn info reality through democratic means or isn't democracy a required process? You see, speaking as an ex miner who was out in 84, I saw Scargill claim every Yorkshire area pit voted to strike, which was curious as my pit voted not to, but the delegate said we had. A few lads questioned this and two ended up in hospital, and some others, yours truly included, were reminded of the time our wives took our children to nursery etc.

Be careful when comparing those who wish to govern and those who wish to govern. Their background and ideology is closer to each other than you may think.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 05:59 PM

Rather an aside to the discussion underway here, but I recall how profoundly affected I was a year or two ago on visiting a folk museum housing a number of traditional crafts displays.

A cobblers for one, which demonstrated the thoroughness of the work required to fix a pair of shoes. Another display showcased cider making, and the beautiful machinery involved, machinery which once forged lasted generations.

I left with a real sense of how the industrial revolution had in fact destroyed the working classes and reduced them to push button automatons numbly repeating actions which provided nothing more than a shabby product for conspicuous consumption by their economic betters. It really made me want to re-read some Marx.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 05:12 PM

Unemployment (or inability to do a job) is not caused by benefits. It's the economy stupid.

Benefits make it better, not worse - and indeed boost money circulation and effective demand.

There are very very few on benefits of any kind who would not rather be earning in a job - not least because most real jobs pay more.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 04:36 PM

For fuck sake!...its not about poor people fiddling a few quid, its about a system which is prepared to countenance huge swathes of the population who have no "purpose in life" other than drawing their weekly giro.
The benefit system is not there to help poor people ...it is there to keep them quiet!

1 in 5 of our kids unemployed.....for ever, and nobody says a word.
Why are they condemned to a life without meaning?
Because this system still measures the value of humanity in pounds and pense.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 02:46 PM

Agreed Pete

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 02:30 PM

sadly it isn't 'the people sitting at their desks' who make the decisions with benefit claims - nor is it your gp who has any say about whether you qualify for disability benefit. the job centre staff are over-worked and generally do their best to be sympathetic and helpful. the crucial decisions for claimants are made by a french computer. it is beyond me how so many people can become so agitated about people with nothing maybe fiddling a few quid in the most difficult circumstances while seemingly unconcerned about the far more costly and criminal activities of the wealthy and powerful. we are a very rich country where no-one needs to suffer the misery of poverty.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 12:54 PM

Well I'm not sure that I agree. Why shouldn't people who are down on their luck not be entotled to self respect and a positive self image. Just basic human dignity. We are not defined by our circumstances - a man or woman is not merely a member of the unemployed or a medical condition - eg a paraplegic. he may be all those things and yet be a poet or a philospher, or artist.

Humanity is the gold standard that we are all entitled to.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 10:58 AM

"Thats before we start on a benefit system which de-humanises us, an "equality" agenda which promotes "victimhood" as a positive state of mind,and has become an unaffordable idiocy."

Although I've been arguing mostly on the "leftish" side of the fence on this thread, I think this is partially true . The problem comes in getting machinery to discriminate between genuine cases of hardship and "dependency as a way of life" - it is unfortunate that the weakest generally end up the real "victims" as opposed to those who know how to "play the system".

Do we really trust the people sitting at the desks are good enough to make fair decisions?

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 10:28 AM

I `ad that Nadine Dorries in my cab the other day, in the business sense, you understand. She`s a big old gal but well turned out.
I said, " Morning Nads. You`ve got them posters on that Mudcat going on about you. Did you go into one about Dave and Gleggy `cos you`re losing your constituency when they change the boundaries?"
She said, "Not at all, Jim. It `as nothing to do with that. I think they are both two faced and out of touch with life today. They are just out for themselves."
I said, "I s`pose you`d know all about that after the Parliamentary expenses scandal!!"

Whaddam I like??

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 08:56 AM

Sounds like for someone trying to avoid Scameron you've already been pretty brainwashed.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 07:39 AM

Al...I have honestly never voted Tory....and Cameron seems the type of guy that I would walk a mile to avoid....just like Blair.

But that does not stop me acknowledging that there are some aspects of social conservatism which are benefitial to society.

"liberalism" has come to mean abdication of personal responsibility.....the "someone else ill fix it" syndrome,usually the state, or anyone but "me".
Thats before we start on a benefit system which de-humanises us, an "equality" agenda which promotes "victimhood" as a positive state of mind,and has become an unaffordable idiocy.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 06:56 AM

You only have part of the definition of working class there Bonzo. The power of command or its absence come into the equation too.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 06:54 AM

"working class people don't own a business, no matter how small."

That's funny we have around 200 self employed manual workers as clients - all owning their business and all very ill spoken (wasting our time with Child Tax Credit Claims) working class.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 04:16 AM

obviously Akes in this together with Cameron.....

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 04:00 AM

Class my ass!(US),we're all just people, whether scrabbling to survive or trying to make a fortune.

The whole idea of "class warfare" is simply another divisive tactic to stop real dialogue.

There is only one thing which scares the shit out of the people who run this system.......unity!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 03:40 AM

Thatcher was middle class, working class people don't own a business, no matter how small.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 02:09 AM

surely it's irrelevant where you come from if what you do is at odds with that start. when thatcher was hanging about with friedman and pinochet and pursuing ruthless anti-worker policies it didn't matter where she started. and blair with bush and the warmongers - they were both aggressive free-market capitalists with all the violence and inhumanity that implies. if you happen to live in a country that has managed to resist that cruel ideology you are lucky. here, we have to fight against it-again-to preserve what rights we have and to try to win some back. and try to have a laugh while doing it...

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 06:57 PM

Middle class rather than upper middle class.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 06:37 PM

I dunno about working class. All the shopkeepers kids went in the A class at primary and grammar school in boston. They were big wheels compared to all the wage earning plebs in the Lincolnshire town where I grew up.

You had to see those class divisions to believe them.

Petty bourgeois - i think maybe that's the term.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 04:12 PM

I would put Thatcher's roots as Working-Class. Her old man was a corner-shopkeeper in a small market town - hardly qualifies as the equal of, say, a doctor or lawyer? More the equivalent of a shop-floor foreman in industry. Yep, definitely nowhere near Middle-Class, obviously Working-Class.

And her lifelong rage at her own lowly beginnings was what drove her loathing for, and viciousness against, those who shared her roots. She hated them because she hated herself for her own "common-ness" (her speech, of course, betrayed her - she would no doubt have had a natural Lincolnshire accent, which she tried to disguise by metaphorically inserting a pound of plums in her mouth. Never quite came off - her posh-talk always sounded affected and 'put on'. Another betrayal of her roots).

IMHO. YMMV.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 03:19 PM

Well, no Cock. Blair was a scion of the wealthy educated at Fettes. Thatcher was at best middle class and went to a grammar school. I agree with your closing words to a certain extent.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 03:12 PM

thatcher was doing what tories do if they can. whereas blair was doing what tories do if we let them. at least she was true to her supporters -he was a traitor to his.
orwell (or Orwell for the pedants) said something like - england is a much-loved dysfunctional family with all the wrong people in control. sounds about right-but it's still our family.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 02:46 PM

....actually just seen there's a thread been started on the "War Crimes" theme - will be useful to cross reference.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 02:43 PM

"No, if we are talking of war crimes, Mr Blair should be first for the hangmans reel."

Wouldn't argue with that and he may yet be called to answer alongside GWB.

But he'd decided very early on that he wanted to wear Maggie Thatcher's knickers, hadn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 02:11 PM

"we can learn from other countries"

About the proper use of capital letters, for instance?   :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 02:09 PM

Mr Blair was arguably complicit in the deaths of thousands, yet if a poll was held on Mudcat.....or I suppose the country, he would win by a landslide against MrsT.

No, if we are talking of war crimes, Mr Blair should be first for the hangmans reel.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 01:48 PM

where would i rather live? don't want to live anywhere else but the lakes or scotland - for all the faults,the ruling classes and the daily mail -this is my home. i would love french weather and employment law but could not live without fantastic countryside ,great music, good pubs and and friends and family. the idea that 'if this government does that i'm leaving' i will leave to the wealthy types who could not bear the injustice and indignity of having to pay 5% more tax on the top level of income tax that they don't pay. are they and you MtheGm not interested in trying to make their country fairer, better for everyone? are you happy to see the NHS and welfare system sold off and gutted? we can learn from other countries -french revolution, scandinavian social fairness, sound german economics -and they are good to visit. they all have their own radical traditions and we have ours and it is one in urgent need of revivial-we can't do that by writing sour-faced e-mails from the costa del ex-pat.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 01:37 PM

"Mistake to judge views solely by who might have agreed with them, Jim."
Still doesn't excuse the fact that she helped him avoid going to trial for the massacring of thousands - mainly young people.
You can't choose your rlatives, but you do have to take responsibility for choosing your friends - in this case, by activly supporting a mass murderer albeit, after the fact.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 01:26 PM

Mistake to judge views solely by who might have agreed with them, Jim. I agree with Hitler about smoking; but not about much else.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 01:06 PM

I quite like France - but mostly not the French people. I seem to get on well with most Caribbeans I have met. I liked England in the late 60s and early 70s - indeed most of the 70s. I like almost everything about Skandiwegia apart from the cold, and the price of booze.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 12:56 PM

"Must have got something right then, mustn't she?!"
Can think of a Chilean mass murderer who would have agreed with you wholeheartedly had he not gone to joint the choir invisibule
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 12:38 PM

Ah, Richard, dream on! But in the real world, now?...

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 12:16 PM

In a better England with a climate like Nice. Or a climate like some parts of Queensland without the cane toads floods and right wing politicians like Bjelke-Peterson. Or a climate like the Balearics. In any case without mossies!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 11:52 AM

I always figured Thatcher was the UK's response and counterpart to Ronald Reagan. He managed to trash a bunch of unions, ruin the savings and loan system, de-regulate important operations and and made government employees into puppets whose lives he could tamper with as if they were livestock.

Back to your discussion. Most of the rest of it is too local for this American to have much reaction to.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 11:20 AM

"And for all this obloquy & these animadversions, where, Al, pete, BWM, Richard, Acorn, Dave, would you prefer to live at the moment?"

dunno about the others,

but me right now today..

I wouldn't mind living in a posh boy's big comfy house high up the hill well above river flood levels....

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 11:15 AM

Canada
New Zealand
But most of all, The Isle of Eigg.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 11:09 AM

And for all this obloquy & these animadversions, where, Al, pete, BWM, Richard, Acorn, Dave, would you prefer to live at the moment?

Just asking...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 10:55 AM

'Scargill was outmanoeuvered but I believe was trying to do his best for his members, trying to prevent them from being oppressed and dispossessed by the government. And lo! looking now at UK mining he was right all along.'

His member were all part of a larger society, and it did his members no favours if that society went down the toilet.

To persist with inflationary wage claims dealt a terrible blow to the disabled and poorer members of society. The first measure Thatcher took was to abandon index linked benfits - so Arthur's inflationary tactic (under the promised free collective bargaining promise of Lady T) meant in real terms a 30% cut in benefits.

Both of them were a couple of absolute buggers.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 10:39 AM

Scargill was outmanoeuvered but I believe was trying to do his best for his members, trying to prevent them from being oppressed and dispossessed by the government. And lo! looking now at UK mining he was right all along.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 10:36 AM

Hi
Hunt has refused to resign, but his "right-hand man" Adam Smith has acted as the fall guy and resigned for him.

Any guesses how long Hunt will last ???

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 10:20 AM

And, of course, it's now emerging that Jeremy Hunt is, as we'd all suspected, rhyming slang.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 08:53 AM

i can and do blame thatcher for most things wrong with the state of our country. but there are many more guilty people - and ultimately it is ourselves who seem to lack the collective wit to understand that it is -as ever- the posh boys - wealthy,establishment,owning classes who are doing what they feel they are born to - screw us all for their greed and sick ideology. we have been fooled into believing that a choice between blair/cameron/clegg/brown/osborne/miliband/miliband whoever is a real choice-all marginally different shades of thatcherite blue. there is no point tinkering with the details of the global capitalist nightmare - and there is no-one prominent, in this country anyway, who is making the case for a fairer, more sustainable society. except maybe the occupy movement- and have they disappeared now?

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 08:28 AM

'But a bit of credit where due wouldn't come amiss from some who don't want to remember all the dangers we faced in the early 80s.'

I think she was the biggest danger, she was the rock that England '79 foundered on. Her and Scargill both wiped their bums on the Union Jack.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 07:25 AM

Unfortunately Scargill and Galtieri provided just the "pantomime villains" that she needed to give her dreadful policies a gloss of righteousness.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 06:42 AM

Thatcher acted out of spite, in the same way she inflicted the poll tax on Scotland first because they returned no Tory MPs

Posh Dave and Boy George have not got the first idea about the working class.
There is a letter in my paper this morning about oh dear what a surprise, the tory budget favours the rich, why anyone should be surprised by this amazes me, this is what the tories ALWAYS do, make the less well off subsidise the wealthy, they think that is what the working class are for.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 06:34 AM

The two sides were however unhappily almost evenly matched. Things would have turned out a whole lot worse if that poisonous noisome Scargill had carried the day and imposed government by Trade Union diktat, with himself [a prime opportunist if ever such was, interested in his own career to the complete exclusion of his supposed members' interests] as virtual dictator. I don't think anyone else would have had the singleness of purpose to carry that particular battle, and a great retrospective debt is owing. Unhappily, power corrupts. I have nothing to say in favour of the later Thatcher, the loony bureaucratiser of our education system to the point of near-irreparability; the obsessive unjust Council Taxer ~~ that was when she had to go; and Howe had the sense to rally the support to make her do so. But a bit of credit where due wouldn't come amiss from some who don't want to remember all the dangers we faced in the early 80s.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 06:19 AM

Why is persisting in idiocy admirable? I'd rather politicians corrected their mistakes

All very well if those politicians have the willingness and capacity to recognise and acknowledge their mistakes, Richard.

Sadly, The Beast of Grantham didn't appear to have either of those fine attributes. What she did have, however, was courage and determination. Imagine what could be achieved by someone with those attributes who chose to direct their energies equitably, and without the vindictiveness and viciousness so apparent during her awful Prime-Ministership.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 05:26 AM

Ake - as John Harvey Jones said at the time. In her first eighteen months she closed 28% of manufacturing industry - some of those were damn good firms.

You may see it as economic brilliance. I see it as the raving of right wing twat - determined to pay back the miners for the humiliation of the three day week.

Political theory has very little to do with it. I doubt she ever read a book about political theory in her life. As Mike said she was the zeitgeist of the times. the middle classes had always enjoyed certain perks - a slightly better education than the working classes, a pension, home owning. In the 1970's the unions started saying bugger that for a game of soldiers - we want some of that.

Thatcher embodied the resentfullness of the average Daily Mail reader at witnessing this.

Unfortunately the extreme right wing saw they could harness this spirit of malice, xenophobia, homophobia to destroy union power by destroying the industries and trades which employed the union members.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 05:01 AM

BWM.....our whole society is founded on selfishness and greed,it's just that we(our generation), have been fortunate enough to escape the worst effects of "capitalism in decline".

The nice cosy "liberalism" that most of us know and love will no longer serve as a cover for the true nature of the beast.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 04:43 AM

Al ~~ Happily I had no need to hide in any stockroom: I had managed to get early retirement from teaching [best day's work I ever did] a few years before she surfaced.

David Lodge, novelist & Professor of English, has a character leaving education for industry in his novel Nice Work [1988] write in a letter explaining his decision: "The people who work in state institutions are depressed, demoralised, fatalistic. Witness the extraordinary meekness with which the academic establishments has accepted the cuts (has there been a single high-level resignation as distinct from early retirement?). It's no use blaming Thatcher, as if she was some kind of witch who has enchanted the nation. She is riding the zeitgeist. {MGM's emphasis When trade unions offer their members discount subscriptions to BUPA, the writing is on the wall for old-style socialism."

Precisely.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 04:39 AM

Why is persisting in idiocy admirable? I'd rather politicians corrected their mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 04:25 AM

Good Heavens, I'm in agreement with Richard for the second time in as many weeks.

Michael - I do admire The Grantham Scorpion for her determination, and for having the guts to stick to the policies upon which she embarked. Qualities sadly lacking in many of our politicians.

Unfortunately, her policies (or rather the policies given to her by those to whose influences she was an adherent) were demonstrably wrong-minded and based in the vileness of selfishness and greed, and were the most damaging and divisive of any UK Government of the 20th Century.

INHO. YMMV.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 04:24 AM

Come on Al...be honest, Thatcher realised long ago, what we can all see clearly now.

We had a raft of industries which through no real fault of their own, had become uncompetitive.

Something had to be done, and it worked ...in the short term.
Unfortunately it has since become obvious that we cant borrow or spend ourselves out of the shit.....you all vote for a competitive society....so what we are experiencing now is part of the competitive cycle.

I just dont think we are going to survive this turn of the wheel.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 04:01 AM

It would have been better had she never led any political party - at the VERY least.

No chance of that. MI6 had chosen her - as the Spycatcher book showed. They exploited the country's difficulty in the wake of OPEC countries starting to screw us all, and engineered a right wing putsch. No wonder she wanted to supress the book.

As an ex teacher MGM - I cannot for the life of me understand how you can defend here. I was a supply teacher at the start of the national curriculum and visited many schools - I saw the whole horror story unfold.

Every subject teacher issued with a folder about how their subjects were to be taught - cost £18 to the school. Every junior school teacher had to have all ten folders each costing the school £18 each. All total right wing bollocks = courtesy of Sheila Lawlor and Keith Joseph.

Then there were the teachers driven to a nervous breakdown and death by OFSET inspectors. One school I worked in - the Head of English's blood pressure ratchetedup so high that he woke up blinded in one eye with the stress.

One school I taught in had an entire stockroom full to the ceiling with unread memo about the SATs tests, which that year they decided were so flawed that they never took place.

All of this in schools where the teachers were struggling along with twenty and thirty year old textbooks.

Which stock cupboard were you hiding in? I thought no one could be a worse Seretaty of Education than Shirley Williams till Thatcher's gang came in.

The only voice raised in protest against the madness was John Macregor in his short tenure of the post. To punish him - he was sent to Northern Ireland - where his work would be unnoticed against the backdrop of the Thatcher and Tebbit yahboo line in diplomacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 02:43 AM

It would have been better had she never led any political party - at the VERY least.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 01:24 AM

... and I suppose, BWM, that it would have been better IYO for the country to be governed by that arrogant booby of a president of the NUM than by the government, would it?

Away you...

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 01:20 AM

"Still can't see any good in Thatcher. The stench of that woman will pervade this country long after she's turned up her toes."
.,,.,.,
Behold ~~ Our valiant resident leftiwankaz, so proud of their o-so-progressive atichoods that they can only post under incomprehensible PSEUDonyms [emphasis of first syllable deliberate ~~ so where are those other three acorns, eh?], are still chuntering on about her more than 20 years later.

Must have got something right then, mustn't she?!

Teehee...

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Penny S.
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 02:26 PM

I'm not sure arrogant is quite right - it always seems to me to include an element of conscious decision to assume one's own superiority and look down on lesser mortals. I think some of this lot are so much in their bubble that they are not able to do that. It's related to the word arrogate, isn't it, which is to take power appropriately?

Haughty, maybe. Autocratic? I've been looking in the thesaurus, and all of the suggestions do include that element of deliberation.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 02:20 PM

hi Bonzo

"< The lisping fool is just another Tory wearing a red tie!!>"

Don't knock him. He is the one that is keeping your Party in power !!!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 02:16 PM

Well she was a turncoat too, wasn't she? Daughter of a nobody Co-op shop-keeper, married into money, got into politics and set about destroying those she hated the most - the working class - hated them because they reminded her of her own low roots.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 01:56 PM

I don't expect that Cameron was "groomed" for governing after a crash, so the masterplan went a bit wrong; he could have kept the rich chums happy and thrown the peasants a few scraps and things would have rolled on quite nicely.

I just can't hate him as much as I did Thatcher. She gave the police and armed forces a hefty pay rise knowing she was going to need them. Cameron's cutting them as well so the masterplan wouldn't seem to be exactly the same.

Still can't see any good in Thatcher. The stench of that woman will pervade this country long after she's turned up her toes.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 01:49 PM

Nice one, Jim!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 01:36 PM

"I expect if David Cameron was a crippled homosexual he would be fine!!! "
Ah, that''s better - that's the Toryism we all know and love!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 01:27 PM

Well, Labour are sitting on an 8 point lead right now and from time to time Millibland does get a bit spiky which is good.

Cameron and Osborne - too lefty! PMSL! Like what Backwoodsman says above - they have starved the poor to feed their own class.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 01:16 PM

The lisping fool is just another Tory wearing a red tie!!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 01:15 PM

I expect if David Cameron was a crippled homosexual he would be fine!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 12:25 PM

For "DM" read "EM", I presume. On that basis agreed.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 11:43 AM

'Miliband looks like being the biggest Labour mistake since Michael Foot.'

With MF you knew what he believed in and stood for. I wouldn't like to guess DM's opinion on anything. Bit like Blair and Cameron really - both winners in their own unique way.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 10:33 AM

Well, I was kinda "havin' a larff".....kinda.

But I did predict, before the election, that the Tory Toffs would butt-fuck, with great vigour, their working- and middle-class supporters, whilst presenting the fatted calf to the rich, and they didn't let me down - they stayed true to their roots, which is precisely why I would never vote for that bunch of greedy tossers.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 09:36 AM

Strange that the person that many Americans (but not all) think of as their best President, F.D.Roosevelt was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and yet introduced the 'New Deal' policies. Becoming paralysed with polio was probably the thing that changed his view on life.

Some people in Cameron's own party think of him as a lefty, and are angry he didn't actually win the election, and he's constantly having to throw them a bit of 'raw meat'.

You more or less have to be a PR man nowadays - Gordon Brown tried not being and look where it got him. I think all our leaders are going to be like "assistant managers at Dixons" from now on. Miliband looks like being the biggest Labour mistake since Michael Foot.

I don't like a lot of the Coalition's policies, but anger on its own isn't going to do any good, neither is over-simplifying a situation . Where is the credible electable alternative coming from?

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 08:56 AM

Strollin' Johnny! A truly unique act!

Watch him puke
As he strums his uke!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Stu
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 07:38 AM

Robust debate. Lifeblood of social and family life in the UK. Regular, heated discussions around the dinner table, in the pub. Thing is, we (more often than not) tend to accept other's views and not take it all personally. I have to say, this causes problem on the internet where no problem actually exist. Excellent!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 07:22 AM

Interesting people, the Brits. They even argue when they are agreeing on something.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 07:03 AM

But, Backwoodsman - tell us why you have to be true to your roots? Is there no possibility of change of circumstances or attitudes in one's life?

And what are one's "roots" - father's, grandfather's, mother's, grandmother's? If you'd lived in my part of Lancashire in the 1950s, you'd have met many, many "working class" people who voted Tory - the fact they were working class wasn't necessarily linked to a political viewpoint.

I don't care if Cameron et al are Tory rights, wets, liberals or anything else - just so long as they take a humane and understanding view of society and the people in it as a whole - which they don't

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Stu
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 06:11 AM

The point isn't whether they remain true to their roots or not, the point is they have no idea what life is like of ordinary people who are suffering (unlike them) because of their vicious programme of cuts. And they could't give a shit either.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:53 AM

I bet you don't actually vomit though. I bet you don't watch question time, and keep a bucket there to chunder in.

If you did I feel sure you would have introduced it into the act years ago:-

Strolling Johnny - a smile, a song and projectile vomitting.....

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:44 AM

I regard her, oddly, as even more hardline right than the posh boys (her stance on abortion is very like US fundagelical), but her point about their arrogance seems well made and the assertion that they (the arrogant posh boys) don't want to know anything about the lives of those outside their narrow circle of privileged elite cronies probably telling given the number of millionaires on the conservative front bench.


Wikipedia piece about Dorries

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:43 AM

At least Cameron and Osborne have the decency to remain true to their roots.

There's only one thing more nauseating than a Working-Class Tory, and that's a Public-School Socialist. Both make me want to vomit.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:37 AM

What would she rather they be - badly spoken inverted snobs??

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:25 AM

Cameron lost his disabled son which I think has given him a bit of humanity - his wealth couldn't protect him from this. I don't have to switch the radio off when he's talking like I did with Thatcher.

I think William Hague is good at the job he's in at the moment.

Boris would be better off in showbiz.

Michael Gove is a complete twat.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:13 AM

She's what every party leader dreads, an honest MP with a conscience, and a big mouth!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 05:07 AM

Interesting that she is a Conservative , though obviously NOT Hard Right Wing

Subject: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 04:21 AM

I never thought I would agree with anything the dreadful Nadine Dorries said, but she is making a lot of news with her remarks that Cameron and Osborne are a couple of arrogant posh boys who don't know the price of milk, and don't want to know anything about the lives of those outside their narrow circle of privileged elite cronies.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9221355/Nadine-Dorries-David-Cameron-and-George-Osborne-are-just-arrogant-posh-boys.htm


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17815769


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134000/Tory-MP-Nadine-Dorries-brands-David-Cameron-George-Osborne-arrogant-posh-boys.ht