BS: Automatic Complaint Generator

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: DonMeixner
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 01:27 PM

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Paul S
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 01:12 PM

Does anyone else enjoy the irony of how many complaints this thread has generated?

Paul

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 11:56 AM

Uh, what kind of woman are you Bert? Does Tree know about this? Are you sure we shouldn't be over on the Cross Dressers thread?

Ah, Bert...but you are lovely.......that hair, so reminiscent of a field of dying alfalfa, that voice of a castrated wombat...and your eyes shine like the pants on a blue serge suit.....especially a pair pressed by Rick's soulmate in Conshohocken.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Bert
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 11:22 AM

Spaw, You said...

....GAWDDAMMITT BERT....See what I mean about the CRS??????.............anyway, after reading that line, and now this, I'm CERTAIN you're my kind of woman.

I didn't know you cared;-)

Bert.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 11:03 AM

Sorry my new "Automatic Sign-Off Generator" seems to have a glitch or two.

SpawSpawSpawSpawSpawSpawSpawSpawSpaw

dammit........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 10:58 AM

Another good one Aine....after reading that pitchfork line on whatever thread that was .......GAWDDAMMITT BERT....See what I mean about the CRS??????.............anyway, after reading that line, and now this, I'm CERTAIN you're my kind of woman. I'm more selective now, as in my younger days my only criterion was warm and breathing....well, not always.....I remember a few where I wasn't even sure of THAT.

Spaw

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Oh gawd, where will it all end??????????

Spaw

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Bert

Spaw

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Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 10:50 AM

Geez Bert, I wish that were the case, but hanging out with you, the CRS is rubbing off and when I went back and added a line, I forgot that I'd already signed once. Between you and Seed, I fear my mental health is deteriorating from the relationship. Seed also was at Berkeley in the sixties so that goes a long way toward explaining his situation.....The fact that it was the 1860's goes even further.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Áine
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 10:48 AM

Well, I must say that I am totally incensed (and it's burning at both ends -- OUCH)!! I don't see a hecky darn thang funny about the name 'Hortense' -- that was my momma's name, you ole saggy-butt tortoise ya!! And Skeezix was my favorite weasel when I was a little bitty whiney titty baby!! And, as the mother of four children, my Fiddle's been Diddled just fine, thank ya!!

-- Áine

-- Áine

(Hey, I like this signing your name twice thang! D'ya think it'll catch on??)

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Bert
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 10:36 AM

Well Diddle My Fiddle, Hortense! You mean we're not allowed to tease anyone any more? You're just being a spoilsport.

Bert.

P.S. BTW, did you sign your posting twice as an intentional jibe at that guy who doesn't have the courage to sign his posts all?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 10:26 AM

Allow me to suggest Don and Bert that perhaps it is out of line to laugh at anything in this forum. Certainly the influence of the Gang of 12 has made a difference. Before the "revolution" it was considered a real hoot to discover that the third word in the sixth line of the ninety-ninth verse of the eleventh variation of "Diddle My Fiddle" was "Hortense" and not "Skeezix." I don't know about you guys, but I'm ROTF over that one!!!

So do either of YOU have any more good ones like that? I thought not. Go get a copy of Reader's Digest and get with the some REAL humor! Try not to drool on your keyboard as you nod off into hilarity. And quit being such whinee tittee babees.

Spaw

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Bert
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 09:52 AM

I think that Mr. Leading Underscore's problem could be a fear that an 'Automatic Complaint Generator' might usurp his own functionality within this community.

Bert.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: DonMeixner
Date: 01 Dec 99 - 12:47 AM

Gargoyle,

If it is out of line with the purpose of the people meeting in this forum why are so many reading , discussing , laughing at, and enjoying this thread?

If you don't like the TV show turn it off, If you don't like SlaughterHouse 5, don't read it. But I like NYPD Blue and i love Vonnegut so don't wreak them for me.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: _gargoyle
Date: 30 Nov 99 - 11:57 PM

Dittos " "

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Áine
Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:47 PM

Josser.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: _gargoyle
Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:31 PM

It is still B.S or O.S. or anything ELSE not evenly remotely connected to this forum.

Alice, IMHO, this posting was out of line with the intents and purposes of the group gathered here to discuss folk music.

Not denying it is "cutesy" and "unique" but it many have been there and done that already.

Please think Twice, Thrice, Quadroonal, before starting a thread in the future...

What Joe, Max, Susan, dick, perhaps would say,,,,if they were not such "gentle-persons".....So the rest of you SPEAK UP....when a thread is "out of line!!!"

They will not know if you do not teach them!

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Nov 99 - 09:30 PM

oh, Bert!...next thing you will be claiming to BE a 'folk'..

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Bert
Date: 30 Nov 99 - 05:32 PM

Great site Alice.

BTW. automatic generators of this kind have been around long enough to have entered into the realms of folk lore. They are not all computor generated, we had one several months back that allowed us to generate a country song. And we even had a thread that was for generating generic folk songs. These tools are part of our culture and are quite appropriate for a site that discusses folklore.

Bert. (to whom everything is folklore)

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Murray on Salt Spring
Date: 30 Nov 99 - 04:59 PM

Thanks, Alice. I put my own name in there and got a dreaful put-down. Hilarious! But it may explain some of my correspondence...

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: KENDALL
Date: 29 Nov 99 - 07:52 PM

CAN ONE ACCUSE A MACHINE OF BEING VERBOSE AND PEDANTIC? That was so long winded, I thought it was real for a while.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 09:29 PM

now all we need is for Max to work up an automatic BS thread generator, and we could all..

nawwww...catspaw would wear his fingers to the bone typing clever answers to 'em...and gargoyle would have apoplexy objecting...

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 08:05 PM

Oh dear, this is just getting outta hand. Let me clarify. The long posting I made, and the even longer one referring to Alice, were automatically generated by the Complaints Generator. (link in the top message of this thread). Mine was an experiment with the "company name" option of the complaints generator where I used "Mudcat Cafe" as the company name. It was intended strictly as a Joke! But a scary one since the bombast produced by the generator so closely resembles many half-baked letters to the editor that not everyone catches on to this.

What Alice did that _I_ was referring to was start this thread and post the link to the complaint generator. As for the other one don't ask--but nobody took the time to write all that silly stuff. I gather Alice is a very nice person and I'm not mad at her at all. She had a particular reason for making the Complaint Generator available to Catters, ask her or me privately but it's not my place to mention it publicly.

If you want to try something even odder, which requires a bit more imagination on your part than the Complaint Generator. check out the automatic Dave Barry Column generator.

Bill C

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From:
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 07:00 PM

Poet is, of course, not anonymous, he/she is a real generic. What rot!

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: poet
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 06:43 PM

I dont Know what Alice is supposed to have done and I'm having trouble understanding the long words by the anonymouse writers so i can't work up a viablepicture of the problem. but I was taught that a criticism without a signature was a puff of hot air dissipating in a cold gale. with just as much effect.

I personally feel no restraints in saying what I believe even if i am subsequently proved wrong or ignored but catters will always know WHO they are ignoring.
Graham (Guernsey)

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 05:48 PM

Aha, I have finally succeeded in double-posting! Must have been while I was twisting around in my chair trying to untie my shorts.

I did write the last, short paragraph of that complaint.--and one other sentence inserted into the text.

By the way Bob, I am happy to live in Canada, the land of compulsory firearm registration where its very difficult to get a pistol permit, and the per capita rate of gun-related homicide is about 10% that in the U.S. But I don't wish to debate it, here or anywhere for that matter.

And I love the Mudcat, probably too much.

Have a nice, safe day

Bill

oh geez, now I'm answering myself...that ain't good.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 05:36 PM

Whoa. Bob, my man. Go back to the first msg in this thread, click on the link, try it for yourself, then read the message I posted and figure out which sentence in it I actually wrote!

Thanks for making my day, I think!

Bill C

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 05:36 PM

Whoa. Bob, my man. Go back to the first msg in this thread, click on the link, try it for yourself, then read the message I posted and figure out which sentence in it I actually wrote!

Thanks for making my day, I think!

Bill C

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: bob schwarer
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 04:59 PM

If you're serious Willie, you need to lighten up. You come off as getting your shorts in a wad if you don't agree with something. Plenty of things here are not my "thing", i.e. gun control, but this is free exchange. Also, a fun place to exchange ideas and thoughts.

Bob S.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 04:47 PM

The Complaints Generator or the Mudcat?

BC

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Penny S.
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 04:15 PM

I went to the site last time it was posted, found that the first attempts produced four spookily apposite complaints, followed by stuff which wasn't, and decided never to go there again.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Willie-O
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 04:10 PM

My complaint about The Mudcat Cafe

In my last letter, I claimed that The Mudcat Cafe's cronies compress The Mudcat Cafe's opinions into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed, and that claim is even more true now. I would like to start by discussing The Mudcat Cafe's accusations, mainly because they scare me. The thing I'm the most frightened about is that I find The Mudcat Cafe's conclusions symptomatic of a dangerous but spreading mentality. By balancing the theoretical untruth and nonsense of The Mudcat Cafe's generalizations with the reality of this phenomenon, we can see that The Mudcat Cafe's lackeys form a devious organization devoted to harassment and barratry. In my view, The Mudcat Cafe is as incomprehensible as the sky is blue. I'm sure you get my point here. It is never easy to judge what the most appropriate or effective response to The Mudcat Cafe's unambitious protests is, but one unfortunate fact remains clear: The Mudcat Cafe's standard operating procedure is to erode constitutional principles that have shaped our society and remain at the core of our freedom and liberty.

It's not just the lunatic fringe that's in The Mudcat Cafe's corner; a number of previously-respectable people have begun backing it. Th veneer of respectability doesn't last long once they get caught up in the parry, thrust and bombastic effluviance of the Mudcat. Sure, they say, I'll log off and go start supper, make those phone calls, agitate for world peace, mulch the garden and stack the rest of the firewood, but I'll just hit "refresh" once more and see what comes up. Just...once....more....The Mudcat Cafe's henchmen want so much to annihilate a person's personality, individuality, will, and character that the concept of right vs. wrong never comes up, but I guess nobody ever explained that to The Mudcat Cafe's assistants. So you see, this is the precondition for my crusade against combative exclusionism.

Alice, what have you wrought? Thanks for showing me, someone who prefers editing to writing due to innate laziness and instinctive destructivity, a way to waste even more time on the net than I would have thought possible a few short nanoseconds ago.

Bill C

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Áine
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 02:00 PM

Naw, 'Spaw -- tell us what you REALLY think!! And to think a couple of folks jumped on my bum for using the term 'whiney titty babies' a week or so ago!! Better borrow Kat's mop bucket and put it on your head *BG*.

Just for fun, here's the results of the Dialectizer for my favorite phrase:

Redneck: whiney titty babies

Jive: whiney titty babies

Cockney: winey titty babies

Elmer Fudd: whiney titty babies

Swedish Chief: vheeney teetty bebeees

Moron: whiney titty babies

Pig Latin: ineywhay ittytay abiesbay

Oh well, when you're succinct, you're succinct --- Áine

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 01:59 PM

My "friends" identify themselves. Or send something privately if they're THAT disappointed.
Rick

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 01:40 PM

Cor don't some of you Americans use some big words! I had to use my dictionary and couldn't find pictures of some of them! Eric

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: A Friend
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 07:29 AM

Why would you post such a thing in a muscial forum Alice?

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: wildlone
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 07:12 AM

Great fun Alice.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: DonMeixner
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 12:22 AM

uckin'-fay ight-ray

on-Day

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: doug
Date: 28 Nov 99 - 12:18 AM

briefly - a new concept?- yea! alice doug

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 11:27 PM

To borrow from another thread, what an ignoranus that anonymous composite beastie is.

--eed-say.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: WyoWoman
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 11:01 PM

I think omeone-say is eeling-fay an ittle-lay oopy-pay. Probably just needs more roughage.

ww

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: DonMeixner
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 10:37 PM

Dammit!

Alice I went to see the complaint generator and there wasn't a single picture of my wife. Whats the deal here?

As for Anonymouse, the ball less wonder, Don't even consider an opinion from someone who is afraid to use a name. No name usually means no integrity.

If I don't like something you say, I will tell you, and I'll always sign my name.

Don Meixner

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 10:28 PM

beginning to wonder..._gargoyle had seemed to sign his posts...sure hope there is NOT another with mischief on his mind....

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Alice
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 10:04 PM

Yes, Bill, we have had that censorship debate before, haven't we? Let gargoyle play with the automatic complaint generator. I don't mind if he uses my name and blows off steam. I recognized many of the sentences from the generator when I had used my own name to experiment with what it could produce. I don't take it personally.

alice

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 10:00 PM

once, is college, the local pizzaria had a juke box that had a blank spot...you could buy 3-4 min. of silence for a dime....they made a mint! I sometimes wish Max had some feature which......naawww....

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: sophocleese
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 09:40 PM

I realize that everyone is entitled to his opinion, and I respect this. I also hope that you will all respect mine as you read this letter. Here's my side of the story: Anon Y. Mous, Esq. makes it his job to publish blatantly disrespectful rhetoric as "education" for children to learn in school. The most randy rascals you'll ever see don't really want me to create and nurture a true spirit of community, although, of course, they all have to pay lip service to the idea. We'd all be in grave danger if he continued to engage in his empty-headed behavior. Maybe Anon has a reason for acting the way he does, but I doubt it. Speaking of which, his ramblings are based on prejudices and preconceived notions. Crafty porn stars who transmogrify society's petty gripes and irrational fears into "issues" to be catered to might not recognize the incongruities in his allegations, but he fails to consider the consequences of his socially-inept brutish bromides.

All this aside, Anon shouldn't feed us a diet of robbery, murder, violence, and all other manner of trials and tribulations. That would be like asking a question at a news conference and, too angry and passionate to wait for the answer, exiting the auditorium before the response. Both of those actions spew forth ignorance and prejudice. While I have no proof that he enjoys the sense of control that comes from forcing someone else to do things the way he wants them done, you should still believe me, as he advertises his strict morality solely to shift attention away from his many vices. Anon's cronies are not, technically, uncivilized psychics, but rather raucous weirdos. I contend that there is a small -- yet not entirely insignificant -- difference.

Even if I agreed that Anon's destructive lackadaisical dissertations were of paramount importance, it would still be the case that the world has a surplus of stupidity. I wish I could say this nicely, but I don't have much tolerance for sappy illaudable anthropophagi: Only the impartial and unimpassioned mind will even consider that Anon's lackeys can't defend their whinges. You are, I'm sure, well aware that I will renew my resolve to take stock of what we know, identify areas for further research, and provide a useful starting point for debate on Anon's unconscionable protests. But did you know that Anon's principles have proven to be a complete disaster in both theory and practice? In conclusion, let me just say that it's really hard to take someone as audacious as Anon Y. Mous, Esq. very seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Alice
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 09:40 PM

gargoyle, I do think the generator is entertaining you to some degree, even though it has nothing to do with music.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: WyoWoman
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 09:39 PM

I think "Piss Off" is more to the point, "Anonymous."

Alice, not to worry. He's just up to his old tricks.

WW

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From:
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 09:34 PM

Some of my colleagues at Mudcat.org recommended that I write a letter about how Alice's sermons are characterized by a preachy arrogance unbefitting to someone who knows so little. This is that letter. Let me cut to the chase: If you've read this far, then you probably either agree with me or are on the way to agreeing with me. The primary weapons of her mischievous cronies are lies and deception. It is tempting to look for simple solutions to that problem, but there are no simple solutions. Should you think I'm saying too much, please note that I don't care what others say about her. She's still effrontive, anal-retentive, and she intends to subordinate all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. Furthermore, it would be good for the press to start paying attention to things like this.

While self-justification may motivate soulless presumptuous-types, the same obiter dicta also work well for conniving calumniators. The baleful influence of militarism is plainly evident in the palpable one-sidedness of Alice's artifices. The bulk of truculent hooligans are at least marginally tolerable, but not Alice. It troubles and amazes me to think that even Alice must concede that anyone willing to study and ponder my position on most current matters will really find that her fixation on Comstockism is nothing more than camouflage for a lack of original ideas. To flush all my hopes and dreams down the toilet has never been something that I wanted to do. Never.

There is no place in this country where we are safe from her lackeys, no place where we are not targeted for hatred and attack. Alice's theories are a pitiful jumble of incoherent nonsense. Any meaningful analysis of the situation must allow for the fact that no group has done so much to present a false image to the world by hiding unpleasant but vitally important realities about Alice's prank phone calls as Alice's henchmen. When Alice looks in the mirror in the morning, does she see more than the same, smarmy face that all abysmal fanatics share? The law of parsimony suggests that she is essentially describing a situation that does not exist. We cannot and we must not allow ourselves to become infected with the fatal germs of larrikinism. So please permit me to appropriate and paraphrase something I once heard: "The idea of basing our entire society on money-grubbing escapism is so far from reality, it's laughable."

Alice thinks we want her to advocate hate-filled philosophies. Excuse me, but maybe the cry of "bigot" is raised mostly by bigots. Needless to say, last summer, I attempted what I knew would be a hopeless task. I tried to convince Alice that she simply wants to win at all costs the war against our individualism and our liberties. As I expected, Alice was unconvinced. She claims that merit is adequately measured by her methods and qualifications. I respond that you and I unhesitatingly have a lot more class than Alice. Apparently, her goals coalesce with those of arrogant raucous-types.

It seems to me that, as others have stated long before me, "there's always been suffering in the world, and wrongs have been and will continue to be committed." I'm not saying this to be headlong, but rather to explain that there are a number of conceptual, logical, and methodological flaws in Alice's conjectures. Is Alice so disingenuous as to think that this can go on forever? What she fails to mention in her statements is actually quite telling. For example, did you know that she wants to give unruly rubes far more credibility than they deserve? Or that she can't discuss anything without talking about classism?

Some readers may doubt that she is bitter enough to depressurize the frail vessel of human hopes. So let me provide some evidence. But before I do, let me just say that her slurs are part and parcel of a larger game plan to threaten the common good. What, then, does "anthropocentrical" mean? It means considerably more than any dictionary is likely to say. I have the strength, ability, desire, and courage to punish Alice for her jaundiced shell games. Do you?

Nonetheless, I get concerned when I see her put the worst classes of stentorian extremists there are on the federal payroll. I'm merely suggesting that if we contradict her, we are labelled disaffected voluptuaries. If we capitulate, however, we forfeit our freedoms. Alice's excuses express themselves in thousandfold manifestations, with one of her assistants in despair and hopelessness, with another in ill will, anger, and indignation, with these piteous sybarites in indifference, and with those in furious excesses. Even if our society had no social problems at all, we could still say that cowardice, irresponsibility, and propagandism are inextricably wedded in Alice's perorations. To cap that off, it behooves all of us to understand that Alice's virtue and brains are inversely proportionate to her vices and the size of her mouth. The notion that Alice should take all the bull-pucky she's been throwing at us and fertilize her garden with it is pervasive. The denial of this fact only proves the effrontery, and also the stupidity, of the most ungrateful hell-raisers I've ever seen.

As far back as I can remember, she has pitted freeloaders against traitors and slanderers against malcontents. It's precisely because if she is allowed to shatter and ultimately destroy our most precious possessions, the implications can be widespread that she asserts that the federal government should take more and more of our hard-earned money and more and more of our hard-won rights. That assertion is not only untrue, but a conscious lie. What is Alice's current objective? As usual, there are multiple objectives:

to implement a pigheaded parody of justice called "Alice-ism", to make serious dialogue difficult or impossible, and to perpetuate misguided and questionable notions of other insecure heavy metal fans' intentions.

Her consistent lack of regard for others will make our country spiritually blind eventually. As I understand it, we now know for certain that her helpers intend to pooh-pooh the reams of solid evidence pointing to the existence and operation of an invidious simple-minded coterie of hooliganism. Alice is capable of passing very rapidly from a hidden enjoyment of refractory revanchism to a proclaimed attachment to neocolonialism and back -- and back again. Just to add a little more perspective, this is a truth that Alice's toadies are told by Alice that they cannot acknowledge, lest they give aid and comfort to the rest of us. Anyway, the consequence of all this is that she says that she can achieve her goals by friendly and moral conduct. Wow! Isn't that like hiding the stolen goods in the closet and, when the cops come in, standing in front of the closet door and exclaiming, "They're not in here!"? Up to this point, we have explored some of the motivations and circumstances that make Alice want to paralyze any serious or firm decision and thereby become responsible for the weak and half-hearted execution of even the most necessary measures. However, we must look beyond both Alice's motivations and history if we are truly to understand her criticisms.

Often, the lure of an articulate new pundit, a well-financed attention-getting program, an effective audience generator, hot new "inside" information, or a professionally-produced exposé is irresistible to unconscionable insidious nymphomaniacs who want to intensify race hatred. Because "crystallographically" is a word that can be interpreted in many ways, we must make it clear that the law is not just a moral stance. It is the consensus of society on our minimum standards of behavior. Since Alice claims to know more than the rest of us, I'm sure she is aware that she should just exercise some common sense and some common decency. As a parenthetical note, the quest to turn peaceful gatherings into embarrassing scandals is the true inner kernel of her philosophy, insofar as this figment of a nefarious brain can be designated a "philosophy". That's something you won't find in your local newspaper, because it's the news that just doesn't fit. As a matter of policy, bestial amateurish garrulous-types should not coordinate a revolution, but this has never stopped Alice. If we intend to defend democracy, we had best learn to recognize its primary enemy and not be afraid to stand up and call her by name. That name is Alice @ Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From:
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 09:33 PM

Unruly non-topical posts have come to occupy a narrow-minded place in the Mudcat dialogue. But more important, some people are responsible and others are not. Alice falls into the category of "not". You know, it strikes me that if we let her exert more and more control over other individuals, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. This diatribe has gone on far too long, in my opinion, and probably yours as well. So let me end it by saying merely that I am starting a grassroots campaign with the sole purpose of stopping Ms. Alice @ Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From:
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 09:32 PM

Ms Alice @ Mudcat thinks that all major Mudcatters are controlled by a group of "insiders"....that find her posting fun. Unfortunately for her, she's wrong. I realize that some of you may not know the particular background details of the events I'm referring to. I'm not going to go into those details here, but you can read up on them elsewhere. Although it requires risk, commitment, and follow-through to improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society -- the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth -- all of whose lives are made miserable by Alice @ Mudcat, a number of serious questions need to be asked -- and answered -- before we give her carte blanche to dig a grave in which to bury liberty and freedom. Is that such a difficult concept? What does this mean for our future? For one thing, it means that facts and their accuracy make a story, not the overdramatization of whatever she dreams up.

Alice is obviously trying to make our blood curdle, and unless we act now, she'll honestly succeed. Perhaps if she thought about it, she'd realize that her views are a load of claptrap. To represent heaven as hell and, conversely, the most wretched life as paradise is an injustice. Alice is secretly saying that we, not being one of the many sex-crazed clods of this world, should just lose heart.

If she has spurred us to deal summarily with distasteful hopeless quacks, then Alice may have accomplished a useful thing. She thinks we want her to incite pogroms, purges, and other mayhem. Excuse me, but maybe what was morally wrong five years ago is just as wrong today. Still, we shouldn't jump to conclusions, even though it is a known fact that Alice's intimations reek of so much oligarchism that the smell makes us nauseous. Alice's announcements don't accomplish anything useful, because they don't deal with the real issue. The real issue is that people who agree with Alice's manuscripts are either stupid, drunk, on drugs, paid off by Alice, or are snotty grease smeared non-musical neophites.

Need I point out that she labels everything that conflicts with her established way of thinking as "others ARE interested in this stuff? I find it sickening to watch her gain a respectable foothold for her paltry contributions. Of course, it's not quite that simple. Ostensibly, Alice does not intend to dismantle musical organizations by driving a wedge between the leaders and the contributing members, but in fact, there is an inherent contradiction between her disorganized form of B. S. alarmism and basic human rights.

Subject: RE: BS: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: _gargoyle
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 09:16 PM

You all ready DID post it. No on wanted it then...they do not want it now.

Let It DIE!

Subject: Automatic Complaint Generator
From: Alice
Date: 27 Nov 99 - 07:34 PM

Here you go. I thought I already posted this link before, but I don't know what thread it wound up in. I know I sent it out to one email discussion list.... click here for the Automatic Complaint Generator