BS: Northwoods Document

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:14 PM

Oops...the second link is incorrect. It's supposed to go to a story about photos showing two objects traveling alongside the shuttle. Different set of photos NASA seized. NASA says they're probably ice balls from refuse dumped into space by the shuttle...it freezes and travels alongside, but those would be BIG objects to be photographed from 50 miles below. Aircraft?

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:11 PM

Government suppressing evidence of it's crime:

Shuttle Overheard Exploding

Images Photographed Near Shuttle

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 09:49 PM

Coverup

The Admiral who was in charge of the USS Cole cover-up is in charge of the Columbia space shuttle coverup.

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 07:29 PM

Don't know what you mean about 'yellow' sources. I guess that's for each reader to determine. I contend a global crime syndicate controls the world, and our U.S. govt is a puppet of this syndicate. We are now entering a new phase of consolidation, where the syndicate will crash the global economy and buy up most of the real estate. Most of us will die in the process. And the people who will do this would not think twice about wrecking the shuttle. Notice how quickly they sent a flunky out to seize the evidence? PBW or laser technology from one of the ground-based weapons routinely tested in half a dozen western states...who knows? The end result is that a phony president cries on cue at the memorial, and he gets a jump in popularity just before a genocidal war designed to give the U.N. a huge reserve of oil.

Now THESE folks (at the link below) did the right thing and released their photographic evidence of the shuttle disaster to the media. I hope this thing blows up in GW's face biggern' than...well, bigger than the shuttle. Click on the 'full story'. The video takes a while to download.:

Reno Newspaper Article

"There was a flash of light, a puff in the ionization trail," said Lawson, a 45-year-old manager at Sparks-based Sierra Nevada Corp., a defense contractor....

(The shuttle was SHOT DOWN, folks. Tell me that bin Laden did it with his musket.)

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 05:10 PM

Guest, you have some really yellow sources of information mixed in with a few good ones.
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S.F. man's astounding photo:
Mysterious purple streak is shown hitting Columbia 7 minutes before it disintegrated

Sabin Russell, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 5, 2003

Top investigators of the Columbia space shuttle disaster are analyzing a startling photograph -- snapped by an amateur astronomer from a San Francisco hillside -- that appears to show a purplish electrical bolt striking the craft as it streaked across the California sky.

The digital image is one of five snapped by the shuttle buff at roughly 5: 53 a.m. Saturday as sensors on the doomed orbiter began showing the first indications of trouble. Seven minutes later, the craft broke up in flames over Texas.

The photographer requested that his name not be used and said he would not release the image to the public until NASA experts had time to examine it.

Although there are several possible benign explanations for the image -- such as a barely perceptable jiggle of the camera as it took the time exposure -- NASA's zeal to examine the photo demonstrates the lengths at which the agency is going to tap the resources of ordinary Americans in solving the puzzle.

Late Tuesday, NASA dispatched former shuttle astronaut Tammy Jernigan, now a manager at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories, to the San Francisco home of the astronomer to examine his digital images and to take the camera itself to Mountain View, where it was to be transported by a NASA T-38 jet to Houston this morning.

A Chronicle reporter was present when the astronaut arrived. First seeing the image on a large computer screen, she had one word: "Wow."

Jernigan, who is no longer working for NASA, quizzed the photographer on the aperture of the camera, the direction he faced and the estimated exposure time -- about four to six seconds on the automatic Nikon 880 camera. It was mounted on a tripod, and the shutter was triggered manually.

In the critical shot, a glowing purple rope of light corkscrews down toward the plasma trail, appears to pass behind it, then cuts sharply toward it from below. As it merges with the plasma trail, the streak itself brightens for a distance, then fades.

"It certainly appears very anomalous," said Jernigan. "We sure will be very interested in taking a very hard look at this."

Jernigan flew five shuttle missions herself during the 1990s, including three on Columbia. On her last flight, the pilot of the craft was Rick Husband, who was at the controls when Columbia perished.

"He was one of the finest people I could ever hope to know," said Jernigan.

It was an astounding day for the San Francisco photographer, who said he had not had any success in reaching NASA through its published telephone hot lines.

He ultimately reached investigators through a connection with a relative who attends the same church as former astronaut Jack Lousma, who flew 24 million miles in the Skylab 3 mission in 1973.

Lousma put him in direct touch with Ralph Roe Jr., chief engineer for the shuttle program at Johnson Space Flight Center in Houston.

After a series of telephone conversations Tuesday afternoon, the photographer had a veteran shuttle mission specialist knocking at his door by dinnertime. Within hours, he was left with a receipt, and his camera was on its way to Houston.

E-mail Sabin Russell at [e-mail].

©2003 San Francisco Chronicle

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 12:14 PM

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGALU6FLSBD.html

SIX YEARS as governor of Texas, and this turd didn't even visit the Johnson Space Center in Houston. Then he lied about it while he squeezed out phony tears.

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 09:18 PM

As I went about my duties today, I fought this skirmish. Look at the way this guy lumps 'psychics' in with 'aerospace engineers'. And before he changed the webpage, the next to last paragraph HAD said the Challenger blew up last weekend, not the Columbia:

San Antonio Express article

I e-mailed the man who wrote the piece. Three exchanges, and I hope he sees things in a little different light now:

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MY FIRST E-MAIL:

A San Francisco amateur astronomer who photographs the space shuttles whenever their orbits carry them over the Bay Area has captured five strange and provocative images of the shuttle Columbia just as it was re-entering the Earth's atmosphere before dawn Saturday....

"They clearly record an electrical discharge like a lightning bolt flashing past, and I was snapping the pictures almost exactly . . . when the Columbia may have begun breaking up during re-entry," he said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/02/02/MN221641.DTL

The particle beam itself is analogous to a natural phenomenon with which we are all familiar--the lightning bolt....

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1984/jul-aug/roberds.html

You got the name of the shuttle wrong at the end of your article (the Columbia blew up last weekend, not the Challenger), and you say we should depend on you and your mainstream 'news' for enlightenment?

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That was a typo. If that's your only standard for debunking something you're logic is flawed.

But I like your research.

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Then why are you writing articles for the people trying to destroy America? YOUR debunking of an engineer as 'self-published' is a pathetic attempt to lead readers to believe only you, as someone who is published, can be trusted.

But the internet has changed all that, and that's why your article attacks freedom of speech.

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Self-published is simply a fact about Mr. Maxson's book. But so is the fact that he is an aerospace engineer that worked for Lockheed on rocket launches.

I found him to be credible and knowledgable. He had a contrary view to NASA but told me he didn't consider himself a conspiracy buff.

I don't get your hostile tone. You're entitled, certainly. And I appreciate your comments.

But I'm proud to work for a company like the San Antoniuo Expresss-News, which contrary to your view, is not trying to destroy America.

The Internet is great. But a lot of stuff on it is pure crap.

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If you were ASSIGNED the task of writing the article, then the purpose of the piece is most likely to help your company stay in business. The old print papers can't compete with free news sources, so an attempt must be made to destroy those free sources.

And the comments in your article that the internet is 'startlingly free of intellectual control' and offers an 'uncrontrolled set of ideas', are meant to suggest to the reader that there is an alternative to freedom of speech...CONTROL of speech. No matter WHERE the quotes came from, they are intended to plant the idea of internet control in the reader's mind. That would violate the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The idea is abhorrent, no matter HOW it is presented.

If you cooked up the idea for the article, you need to examine your priorities. If your company ordered you to write it, you work for scum.

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I thank you for your comments. The correction to the story has been made.

I must say, however, it sounds like you can dish it out, but just can't take it. You want everyone to think like you, I guess.

I wasn't shocked by Prof. Miller's comments -- which boil down to just because someone says something and it can go with lightning speed around the world doesn't automatically mean that its accurate or even intelligent.

I'm sure in the grand scheme there are intelligent, well-informed conspiracy theorists and that the opposite is true, too.

My story was assigned as a feature pice. But no, my bosses aren't scum.
Theories by nature are open to debate.

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The new U.S. government is corporate fascism in action. FCC rules now allow a handful of people to control all media in the U.S. Your paper will parrot what they say. That's why your bosses are scum...any representative of the new fascist govt is scum. If you think you have freedom of speech, you are wrong. You, as a writer for the paper, will always have an 'incorrect' idea tweaked here and there. If you don't believe it, just try inserting something critical of your paper's controlling interests into one of your articles. Your editor will change it, or he/she will be out of a job. You are a writer for the media arm of the new corporate fascist government, whether you realize it yet or not. That is what infowars.com attempts to make people aware of...that our perverse new government is trampling on Constitional rights. Not theory...fact.

Thanks for your patient exchange. Best wishes.

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So did I get through to the man? I'm sure he turned in a good bit of writing, and his editor butchered it until it was fit to print. I don't think this guy was even AWARE of the fact that a 'rocket scientist' had been compared to a 'psychic'. The kid just wants his byline and his paycheck. But now maybe he'll think about things differently. Was this a windmill or a giant? I can't say, but I engaged in the battle. If we don't have freedom of speech and thought, we have nothing. And we're losing our freedoms sure as sunrise. This is one of my typical, unglamorous 'battles', for what it's worth. I don't expect it will amount to much, because today NASA...100% military...took possession of the evidence. They'll pronounce the 'anomaly' lightning, or lense refraction or something:

Criminals seize evidence of crime

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 12:24 AM

Yeah...check it out. The Joint Chiefs formatted this thing long ago. I was beginning to wonder if this thread was only showing up on MY screen...then you and the Big Type posted. Glad it's getting out. This stuff is pretty overwhelming. The people running the show are pretty arrogant...hide it all in plain sight.

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 11:40 PM

Bobert!

Stop interupting! Can't you see I'm talking to myself!

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:41 PM

GUEST:

Hey, my friend, I'd like to help you get this thread going but Iz too worn out. Worked all day, then came home to work on the books for the accountant (_______in' taxes) and I'z too beat to read much of anything...

Think I'll go beat on my gitfiddle and go to sleep. But I'll try to check out this stuff tomorrow. Promise....

the wored out Bobert...

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:36 PM

I wrote to the author of the story again:

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Hi,

I wrote to you regarding your story on the shuttle photos and suggested the photographer go public with them ASAP.

If the photographer is holding out for money, that is his business, but if he is fearful or just doesn't know how to proceed, I would be GLAD to upload the photos to my webspace.

He could just email them to this 'reply' address, and I'd have them up on the internet ASAP.

Below is a description of a Particle Beam Weapon...which your article reminded me of:

The particle beam itself is analogous to a natural phenomenon with which we are all familiar--the lightning bolt...

(Link)

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 10:34 AM

(I'll keep posting to this thread in order to keep it prioritized upwards...you folks NEED to know about Operation Northwoods. From today's Washington Times):

Al Qaeda is planning a mass-casualty attack to rival September 11, but preparations have been disrupted by arrests of terrorists during the past several months, according to U.S. intelligence officials....

Article

(I believe this article is important not because of what it says, especially, but just because it was published. The Bush Company has put a lid on ALL government information. It began with Reagan's incriminating presidential papers. And Sept. 11 was a boon for them...now ALL governmental actions can be and ARE BEING declared secret for 'national security reasons'. So why would our most sophisticated intelligence apparatus issue sensitive material about the Mother of All terrorist topics...al Qeada...and thereby risk blowing their sources and the identities of informants? The issuance of this crapola is in and of itself terrorism. Sure there will probably be attacks like the ones described, because now the CIA has to make good on the announcement or risk looking inept. So we'll see some shootings, etc. Probably some enemies of the Bushes. They can only get away with so many 'aviation accidents'. But THIS is the true terrorism. The first shuttle press release mentioned 'terrorism', and now this...four days later? This is your life from here on...endless government press releases suggesting and / or promising you will be terrorized. Oh, and by the way, the 'missile attack in Yemen' which is called a 'success' in this article is the one which killed an American, unless I'm mistaken. Four men killed by the CIA in Yemen, and one was an American citizen. The knew who he was and took that into account before firing...they knowingly killed an American citizen convicted of nothing. Not even accused...just happened to be in the company of the 'target'. That incident was a test case...to see if Americans would complain about one of their own being killed, even if it WAS in a foreign country. And we failed the test. Our CIA now has a free pass to kill anyone...American or not...and our CIA trained al Qeada...and now we have a story that Americans will be killed. Surprise, surprise).

Subject: RE: BS: Particle Beam Weapon like Lightning
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 10:30 PM

The particle beam itself is analogous to a natural phenomenon with which we are all familiar--the lightning bolt. The analogy is so close that particle-beam pulses are referred to as "bolts." The particles in a lightning bolt are electrons (an electric current) flowing from a negatively charged cloud to a positively charged cloud or section of the earth. While the electric field in lightning that accelerates the electrons is typically 500,000 volts per meter, these electron velocities are still less than that desired in a particle-beam weapon. But the number of electrons (electric current) in the lightning bolt is nominally much greater. In any case, the phenomenon and its destructive results are very much the same.

Particle Beam Weapon

(I guess I'll just talk to myself on this thread. That's fine. I understand. This stuff is about as brutal and gritty as it gets. The perfect timing of the shuttle disaster boosts GWBush's numbers...people actually think he's some kind of hero because of the event. He's fixing to kill hundreds of thousands in the Middle East, so do you think he wouldn't kill seven people in a shuttle? I hope the photos make it public...that sure sounds like a Particle Beam Weapon)

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:11 PM

E-mail I just sent to the writer of the article:

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I was interested to see your article. The photographer should make the photos public immediately. People who jeopardize the Bush junta have a way of dying, and the shuttle looks like sabotage.

Are you familiar with Operation Northwood? In 1962 the Joint Chief proposed a plan to JFK which involved getting Americans behind a war with Cuba by instigating hijackings, using snipers, blowing up space missions, etc. Exactly what we're seeing today.

Many believe the extrordinary events recently are just a dusting-off of the old Northwood Plan...to get Americans behind an unpopular administration. The URL below leads to an interesting article about Northwoods...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

(From the article) ...One idea seriously considered involved the launch of John Glenn, the first American to orbit the earth. On February 20,1962, Glenn was to lift off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, on his historic journey. The flight was to carry the banner of America's virtues of truth, freedom, and democracy into orbit high over the planet. But Lemnitzer and his Chiefs had a different idea. They proposed to Lansdale that, should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof that . . . the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic.]"

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 07:02 PM

Not so eager to jump on this one, are y'all? The link below goes to a story about an amateur photographer in San Francisco capturing something odd on film. He'd better be careful or the Bush Company will declare him an enemy combatant and disappear him. This sounds like a particle beam weapon, from the little I've read of them. But there's no telling. I bet the Bush junta is PANICKING right now, though. I hope a dozen experts are immediately able to tag the weapon used when the guy QUITS ACTING LIKE A GUTLESS DWEEB AND DISTRIBUTES THE PHOTOS! UPLOAD THEM TO THE INTERNET, IF YOU ARE READING THIS. YOUR BEST PROTECTION IS IN GOING PUBLIC.

Weapon?

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 04:49 PM

...One idea seriously considered involved the launch of John Glenn, the first American to orbit the earth. On February 20,1962, Glenn was to lift off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, on his historic journey. The flight was to carry the banner of America's virtues of truth, freedom, and democracy into orbit high over the planet. But Lemnitzer and his Chiefs had a different idea. They proposed to Lansdale that, should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof that . . . the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic.]"

Article on Northwoods

(See, what we're going through now is just a dusted-off version of Operation Northwoods. The enemy back then was Cuba. Now the plan is being used to crash the American economy through a series of body blows, and thereby bring down the world's economy. Values of real estate, etc. will plummet and the wealthy...through their corporate-controlled governments...will buy up the land for pennies on the dollar. If they even BOTHER to pay. We're being misdirected by 'attacks' and 'catatrophes', and now that GWBush's numbers are back up since he cried on TV, he'll feel 'empowered' to attack Iraq or whatever is on the schedule. Next well see some phony 'evidence' come out that Saddam is the greatest threat of all time, then our unelected Exec will claim a 'mandate', and everyone will rally behind him because of the astronauts. Sick, sick, sick. And laid out for us 41 years ago. I mean...they even offered to kill John Glenn to get at Castro, and the mentality hasn't changed at all, unless it's grown even more vicious)

Subject: RE: BS: Timelines
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 02:08 PM

The first link is to a brief but provocative timeline of September 11, 2001. Events leading up to, and coverup afterwards. There are lots of smoking guns here, and it just scratches the surface:

Good brief timeline

This second link leads to a page of articles concerning various points raised in the first timeline. Again, events before, during and after the attacks:

Links to Sept. 11 articles

The third link is to the most comprehensive of all the timelines...the one CarolC posted:

Mother of all Timelines

Type 'Porter Goss' in the search engine and click on result # 5. That should lead you to an interesting account. Goss and Graham were the heads of the intelligence committees that would be investigating Sept. 11. Look at what they were doing the day of the attacks.

It is endless. This was a crime committed in plain view.

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:54 PM

The altered re-entry path put the shuttle directly over the Directed Energy Weapons labs in New Mexico and Arizona...state-of-the-art laser weaponry.

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:31 PM

The Northwoods link above leads to a PDF document, which some folks can't open. The link below leads to a scan of it. JFK fired the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs after receiving this thing:

Scan of Northwoods Document

GWBush's 'approval rating' is going back up now, since he blubbered on TV. We're supposed to support him now while he launches an illegal, genocidal war with nuclear weapons.

Subject: RE: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:23 PM

Gee...some good points I just heard about the shuttle. It was not on the normal re-entry path and was descending at 3 times the normal rate. Ground-controlled by NASA. Bush goes on TV as the 'national mourner' just before an unpopular war.

Subject: BS: Northwoods Document
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 03 - 12:10 PM

In 1962 the Joint Chiefs delivered a plan to JFK for terrorism. Airplane hijackings, space disasters, snipers in Washington DC. This was 41 years ago. It's happening now:

Northwoods Document Links