Wheels on the bus download

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: s&r
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 07:05 PM

thanks it worked.

I add this quote for interest "But it's good news for 12-year-old file swapper Brianna LaHara - one of the RIAA's 261 targets. The peer-to-peer industry trade group, P2P United, has said it will cover the $2,000 (£1,260) fine Brianna's mother has agreed to pay to the RIAA. The family assumed that since they were paying a £20 a month subscription fee to a file swapping service they were free to distribute music files.

P2P United's executive director Adam Elsgrau said: "We do not condone copyright infringement, but someone has to draw the line to call attention to a system that permits multinational corporations with phenomenal financial and political resources to strong-arm 12-year-olds, and their families, in public housing the way this sorry episode dramatises.""

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 01:04 PM

s&r - you need only copy the "mudcat........." on portion and paste to address bar, and hit "go".

The fact that every flea market in California has had copied material for 40 years, clear back to 8-tracks, does not make it right, nor does it mean there is anything we can do about it. Our society is willing to spend a moderate amount of money for police services and no more.

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: s&r
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 03:34 AM

pdq - I for one am not bad tempered; I don't think the threatened court action was appropriate for a kid. However, I write because I can't find the thread you cite - do a blue clicky or something

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 13 Sep 03 - 07:20 PM

This thread sounds like a bad-tempered version of this one:http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=61450&messages=6

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: Amergin
Date: 13 Sep 03 - 05:26 PM

If you're going to have a go at anyone, have a go at the one's who are profiting out of it

like the Recording Industry of America

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: s&r
Date: 13 Sep 03 - 05:19 PM

Hrothgar - Yes, she was identified by at least three newspapers to my knowledge. It seems a pity that the corporate might of the American copyright police should have chosen to prosecute a kid who was doing what kids do (presumably for no monetary gain) while at most computer fairs and in car boot sales fake, copied, and otherwise 'illegal'material is freely available.

If you're going to have a go at anyone, have a go at the one's who are profiting out of it

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: wilbyhillbilly
Date: 13 Sep 03 - 06:45 AM

So, does this now mean the file sharing programmes such as Kazaa and its millions of users are subject to prosecution?? Whoops.

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: Hrothgar
Date: 13 Sep 03 - 05:50 AM

Don't know what happened there.

1. Has she actually been identified?

2. HOW MANY songs??? This kid will be worse than the Mudcat if she is allowed to reach adulthood.

Not that I carry any brief for corporatised music. Once the original writer/composer doesn't own the copyright any more, I'm pretty callous about rights. Mind you, if it wasn't for copyright, the original writer might ever get to sell the item.

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 08:03 PM

Ms Lahara? At 12 I would have thought miss was more appropriate. I agree with Limey it's OTT for a kid

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: Noreen
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 12:02 PM

Err... where did the 'nursery rhymes' comment come from?? If it was really in the Telegraph it looks like VERY sloppy reporting to me.

Link to story in today's Guardian: Mother settles piracy case
which states:
(the accused) Ms LaHara had more than 1,000 copyrighted songs stored on her computer hard drive. By using the desktop file-sharing programme, the songs were available for other users to copy for free.

According to court papers she had copied songs from other computer users including Madonna's Material Girl, Dido's Here with Me and Paula Abdul's Opposites Attract.

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: Hrothgar
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 06:43 AM

1.

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: GUEST,Limey
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 05:16 AM

This morning's Telegraph (UK):

The mother of a 12 year old girl who downloaded nursery rhymes from the internet apologised yesterday and paid $2000 tyo settle a legal action brought by the American music industry. [she] was threatened with a possible fine of £95000 per song for illegally copying music from a website.
It was the first of 261 lawsuits brought by the Recording Industry of America in an attempt to clamp down on music swapping on the internet.
[thegirl's mother] said in a statement issued by the Association, "We understand now that file sharing the music is illegal. You can be sure that [she]won't be doing it any more." Her daughter added: "I'm sorry for what I've done. I don't want to hurt the artists I love."
The Association said the girl's computer offered more than 1000 copyrighted song tracks via a file sharing service. Its spokesman said: 2We're trying to send a strong message that the illegal distribution of copyrighted music has conseguences."

I have no problem with attempts to stop breaches of copyright. I have many problems with the public identification and intimidation of a 12-year-old child

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 04:53 AM

Is there a story on this somewhere, so we can see it in a balanced perspective?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: GUEST,Limey
Date: 11 Sep 03 - 04:13 AM

So she's now been terrified into pleading guilty - multi million dollar corporation vs criminal 12-year-old. What a success for justice and law and order

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 10:53 AM

The music industry won't let a twelve year old download the Michael Jackson files she wants, but will let Michael Jackson download whatever he wants into a twelve year old--

Subject: RE: Wheels on the bus download
From: Jen M
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 09:45 AM

She wasn't sued for downloading but rather for file sharing, making recordings available from her to others. THe article I read did not indicate the type of music she was sharing but if she's like other 12yr old's, I highly doubt it was "children's " music.

Subject: Wheels on the bus download
From: GUEST,Limey
Date: 10 Sep 03 - 07:39 AM

How bizarre can the music business be when a 12-year-old girl is prosecuted for internet downloading children's songs