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Subject: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 24 Aug 02 - 05:40 PM Everyone has their unfavorite movies where an actor or actress was grossly miscast... miscast so horribly that the memory burns itself into your retina forever. My nominations for worst miscasting are John Wayne as the Centurion and Pat Boone as the angel Gabriel in The Greatest Story Ever Told. Charlton Heston was pretty unconvincing as a Mexican in the great movie Touch Of Evil.
Any candidates? Of course you can envision our friend Willie Boy Shatner in ANY roll and scare yourself silly..:-) Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: catspaw49 Date: 24 Aug 02 - 05:49 PM Hi Jerry........Plenty of options but I'll hold by mine on this previous thread of the same topic.....Check this one too And for those not using previous threads because they feel them to be "stifling to current conversation"................. Did anyone see "Teahouse of the August Moon?" It's a cute book and a very funny play by John Patrick about the occupation of Okinawa after WWII and the problems had by a Captain in trying to make a village conform to "American" planning and rules. The narrator is also a character that has a major part but also speaks to the audience. He's the Okinawan interpreter for the Captain and never quite gets it right....a very good role. The movie version cast Marlon Brando in the role of Sakini, the interpreter. Marlon Brando? As a small Japanese guy? Surprisingly, he does okay, but it's one of the worst miscasts of all time...........I mean it wasn't like there were no Japanese actors available. The movie also starred Glenn Ford as the Captain and in true Glenn Ford fashion, his performance was worse than awful which made Brando look somewhat better. This play used to be popular in community and HS/college productions and at least once that I know of, there was a far worse miscast than Brando. This actor was 6 foot tall and weighed about 215 at the time and even with make-up bore no resemblance to anyone oriental...............Me!!! Well, you know how it is when you go all out to get the best part and the drama teacher likes you and all.....................gawd, I was awful. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 24 Aug 02 - 05:56 PM Never Mind.....:-) That's what comes from being fairly new to the Cat. But, I'm glad to see that you posted to this, Spaw. Folks have been wondering where you are. I guess you weren't out selling your contaminated body parts after all, as someone suggested...:-)
I'm going back to read the other thread. And yes, Brando was terribly miscast. I always thought that when it came to expressing anger by clenching your teeth and shaking your jowls, Glen Ford had no peer. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: C-flat Date: 24 Aug 02 - 06:01 PM Not so long back I watched a Woody Allen movie(Emmet Ray) starring Sean Penn as a jazz guitarist. It wasn't so much the acting that was at fault, Sean Penn can be fairly watchable, but the guitar miming was so bad as to be distracting! At one point I thought he was going to blow into it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Clinton Hammond Date: 24 Aug 02 - 06:02 PM We were || this close to having Nick Cage cast as Superman... and man oh man would THAT have sucked or what!?! Kevin Costner as Robin Hood... that movie was so wrong on SOO many levels... Roger Moore as James Bond... Every actor who's EVER played Batman! Just to name a few...
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 24 Aug 02 - 06:06 PM It's silly, but Daryl Hannah as Morticia? Nobody could replace Caroline Jones, but why not that Lilith actress from Cheers? Martin Sheen in Apoc. Now. I think it was Pauline Kael who pointed out that Meryl Streep was making a career of being miscast--she could sing country western note perfect but you don't believe a note of it. Worst feared--Juliet Binoche made such a counterintuitive but brilliant choice for the woman in The Unbearable Lightness of Being, smiling and laughing as a woman for whom life was "heavy"--worst would be Streep in that role. Or if Nick Nolte had got the part as Han Solo. Robin Williams setting out to prove again that every profession is about being a comedian.
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: The Walrus Date: 24 Aug 02 - 06:37 PM In another thread I've mentioned Ryan O'Niell as Barry Lyndon, not only was unconvincing as an 18th Century Irishman, he was a bloody aweful actor in the film (quite spoiled it for me). Glenn Close didn't work in Dangerous Liasons either (at least as far as I'm concerned), visually she just didn't come across as an ancient regime French aristocrat. As for future casting, there was a rumour that Sean Bean was to have been cast as Rudolf Rassendyll in a remake of "The Prisoner of Zenda", unfortunately, IIRC Rassendyll was an early Victorian English gentleman of old family, not a Sheffield "rough" which seems to be Bean's main character (whatever the role)[1], I think the citizens of Ruritania might have noticed. Walrus [1] Take your pick, they all look/sound the same. In that respect, he's a bit like John Wayne |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 24 Aug 02 - 06:58 PM C-Flat, same feeling about Sean Penn, my wife asked me if he learned to play guitar for the part, I said he didn't even learn to look like he was playing guitar.
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Gareth Date: 24 Aug 02 - 07:08 PM Errol Flynn - "Objective Burma! or as the cartoonist said "Excuse Me Mr Flynn - I think you are sitting om some graves". Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: DonMeixner Date: 24 Aug 02 - 07:15 PM John Wayne As Genghis Khan Britney Spears (And I thought Errol Flynn was fine in objective Burma) But waht do I know, I liked "WaterWorld"
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Gareth Date: 24 Aug 02 - 07:21 PM Actually the casting of Errol Flynn was ok - a crap actor in a crap film. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Amergin Date: 24 Aug 02 - 07:24 PM mel gibson as a scotsman.... miles o'keefe as anything.....
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: DonMeixner Date: 24 Aug 02 - 07:27 PM Oh Gareth. Next thing you'll say is Bob Dylan was good in Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid. And he writes a heck of a song too. :-) Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 24 Aug 02 - 08:03 PM I love James Cagney, but as Puck in A Midsummer Night's Dream??????????????????????????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: GUEST Date: 24 Aug 02 - 08:30 PM I thought Mickey Ronney played Puck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: DonMeixner Date: 24 Aug 02 - 08:31 PM James Cagney was Bottom, Micky Rooney was Puck, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: DonMeixner Date: 24 Aug 02 - 08:39 PM And Victor Jory was Oberon, filmed in 1935. The credits say the story is by Sam Goldwyn ( I think) based on a play by William Shakespeare. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Sorcha Date: 24 Aug 02 - 09:04 PM Sean Penn as Hamlet............shudder. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: GUEST,Fred Miller Date: 24 Aug 02 - 09:15 PM Michael Douglas as something besides an asshole. Pat Garret and Billy the Kid--watch the hats. There were continuity problems because Bob Dylan kept wanting different hats. "But I woulda had time to chaaange my hat" Dylan kept arguing. They pared it down, but you still get the impression "Alias" must've dragged a bunch of hats around everywhere. I want Benicio Del Torro to play me. Who do you want? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Amergin Date: 24 Aug 02 - 09:15 PM bob dylan as a musician.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: NicoleC Date: 24 Aug 02 - 10:55 PM Walrus, I though Glenn Close was perfect in "Dangerous Liasons," whereas John Malkovich just isn't good looking enough to make him a believable Valmont. But Annette Bening in "Valmont" was an awful choice... she's just not good enough at being mean. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: GUEST,Fountainfox Date: 24 Aug 02 - 11:16 PM Heard or read a few years back that someone in a position to bring it off was going to cast Sylvester Stallone as Jesus Christ; don't know why it fell through if, indeed, this was on the level. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Jimmy C Date: 25 Aug 02 - 12:13 AM Edward. G. Robinson in The Ten Commandments. He is an okay actor as a hood or detective, but as a jew with an american accent - awful. There should be another commandment" Thou shalt not miscast ".. I agree with others, John Wayne as Gengid Khan was the pits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Genie Date: 25 Aug 02 - 01:03 AM How about Jeffrey Hunter as Jesus in "The Bible?" Elizabeth Taylor as "Cleopatra." In the 1950's movie "David and Bathsheba," the actor playing King Saul was about 5' 6" (or so it seemed) and quite chubby. Saul, according to the Biblical account, stood "head and shoulders above" the men in his army. Also, when the 1950s movie version of "The Brothers Karamazov" was filmed, utimately starring Maria Schell as Grushenka, Marilyn Monroe desperately wanted the part and, I understand, was seriously considered for it. I'm told also that Ronald Reagan was the first choice of the studio to play Rick in "Casablanca." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Genie Date: 25 Aug 02 - 01:18 AM a few more: How about Natalie Wood as the Puerto Rican Maria in "West Side Story?" Didn't Rock Hudson play an Apache in "Taza, Son Of Cochise," or some other of those old 1950s/early 60s movies about the cowboys and the Indians? Not really miscasting, but in the film "Carmen Jones," the studio, in their brilliance, chose to dub the voices of Harry Belafonte and Dorothy Dandridge with some operatic sounding voices, instead of using their own fine voices. Not only was the dubbing totally unnecessary, but the voices didn't fit the actors (or the feeling of the script) and it was done very badly, to boot. Almost every actress who has ever been cast in a movie version of "Jane Eyre" has been too pretty to really do the role of the "plain" heroine convincingly.
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: bob jr Date: 25 Aug 02 - 01:58 AM how about the father son team of yul bryner (ok he wasnt bad) and tony curtis(always terrible) in the cossack classic "tarus bulba" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Genie Date: 25 Aug 02 - 02:56 AM Actually, Tony wasn't too bad in "The Boston Strangler." Then there was the medieval-set film where Tony delivered the famous line "Yonder lies my foddah's castle," (or something like that, in perfect Brooklyn accent), and the film "The Viking" where he played Kirk Douglas's brother Einar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: ard mhacha Date: 25 Aug 02 - 07:09 AM And Van Morrison as a murderer of folk songs. Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: John MacKenzie Date: 25 Aug 02 - 08:09 AM Omar Sharif and Julie Andrews, in The Tamarind Tree. They are like poached eggs and, syrup. i.e. His eyes and her acting. Is there a hole I can be sick in?.....Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Rick Fielding Date: 25 Aug 02 - 08:52 AM Genie, that was "Da Black Shield of Falworth" that you're referring to. I saw a second time a few years ago, and you know...maybe we were a bit hard on Tony....Yes, he DID speak like a Knight from Brooklyn, but he was nowhere near as bad as Richard Burton doing an American Southerner. The ALL TIME WORST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR (outside of porn films) has to be DELORES TAYLOR in th BILLY JACK movies. Seriously if anyone has seen her, you'll know what I mean. I have no idea what Tom Laughlin, her husband (and Billy Jack) was thinking. Perhaps her family were rich, and financed the series of films....or maybe EVERYONE took drugs in the sixties, and she didn't seem so bad then. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: DonMeixner Date: 25 Aug 02 - 08:56 AM Rick, Did you ever notice that among the other supporting actors in The Black Shield of Falworth is Clint Eastwood and Hamilton Camp? Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Morticia Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:00 AM The whole cast of Brigadoon ( the musical)...I still need therapy to get over that one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:01 AM And Rick, speaking of girlfriend nepotism, think of all the Clint Eastwood movies where the romantic "interest" was Sandra Locke. I thought that she was passable in The Heat Is A Lonely Hunter (one of my very favorite books that was made into a pretty good movie, because of a FOLK SINGER, Alan Arkin.) But, other than the Clint Eastwood movies, Sandra pretty much of a non-career. A potential leading lady for William Shatner? :-) Once Clint moved on, I don't remember her ever being in another movie... Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:02 AM Woops! The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter... Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Allan Dennehy Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:03 AM Tom Cruise in "Far and away" nearly made me puke. And I only saw 2 minutes of it............... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: The Walrus Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:20 AM Nichole,
Re: Glenn Close in Dangerous Liasons I'd forgotten John Wayne as Gengis Kahn - AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!! Walrus
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: The Walrus Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:23 AM One quick question Has anyone else ever noticed that in film of "West Side Story", the male lead runs through Spanish Harlem shouting "Maria" and only ONE woman looks out? W |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Peter T. Date: 25 Aug 02 - 11:07 AM Just saw "Captain Blood" the other night for the first time, and I was surprised how good Errol Flynn was when he was young, before he got mannered. As I have said before, Mia Farrow as Daisy Buchanan in the Great Gatsby is my low. Robert deNiro as the Frankenstein monster in Branagh's Frankenstein was pretty close. I am told that Nicole Kidman (wearing a prosthetic nose) is coming this Christmas as Virginia Woolf in "The Hours". This could be a new one for the list. On the other hand there are some recent films with unerring casting -- Harry Potter seems to me to be just about perfect, even though I personally retch at the thought of Richard Harris. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: alanabit Date: 25 Aug 02 - 11:14 AM Why has nobody mentioned Dick van Dyke in "Mary Poppins"? The fake Cockney accent still hurts my teeth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Mudlark Date: 25 Aug 02 - 02:23 PM Great thread! I nominate Nicolas Cage in Corelli's Mandolin...a wonderful book, but Cage made the movie totally unbelievable to me. Also, Branagh playing Woody Allen--cant remember the name of the movie, Allen directed, and tried to turn Branagh into Allen, with disastrous results. Branagh must wince every time he thinks of that role! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Genie Date: 25 Aug 02 - 02:36 PM LOL, Walrus! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Allan Dennehy Date: 25 Aug 02 - 04:34 PM Is Corellis Mandolin film as bad as they say? Haven't seen it but loved the book. Didn't see the film because of the reviews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 25 Aug 02 - 05:20 PM Nicholas Cage as an Italian Army officer? Not one of his action roles then... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 25 Aug 02 - 08:31 PM And, speaking of West Side story, how about Richard Beymer? Not exactly a career-making role. Ever see him in another movie? With Beymer, I don't think it was miscasting. I just don't think that he could act in any role. Thank God for the dance routines and them Porto Ricans. Rita Morena and George Chakiris made the movie. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Genie Date: 25 Aug 02 - 08:56 PM Yeah, Jerry, I did see Beymer in another movie, one that came out before West Side Story. It was a Disney movie starring Hal Stalmaster (?), Luanna Patten, and Richard Beymer, called "Johnny Tremaine." It was about some young people involved in the "Sons Of Liberty," and the American colonies' fight for independence. He didn't have the title role, but played Johnny's buddy, so it wasn't really a miscasting, but his performance wasn't especially memorable. (The only reason I even remember the film is that I was young and had not seen all that many movies by that time in my life.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Genie Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:00 PM And, Jerry, I agree about Rita Moreno and George Chakiris "making" West Side Story. (I don't know that Russ Tamblyn was all that convincing as a street hood, now that I think about it.) But, while Rita is Hispanic, George, I think, is of Greek heritage, isn't he? Genie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 25 Aug 02 - 09:52 PM Yes Genie, I think Chakiris is Greek. Not that he had much of a career after West Side Story... not for a lack of talent. The movies that Beymer did after West Side Story were: Black Belt, Cross Country, Free Grass, The Longest Day, Silent Night, Deadly Night, Better Watch Out!, The Stripper, Twin Peaks '90 and Under Investigation. A little thin for a Lifetime Achievement Award. :-) Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Mudlark Date: 25 Aug 02 - 10:48 PM Allen: Save your money and buy another great book, Possession (by A.S. Byatt), which is now being made into a movie, which I find hard to credit.
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: Ian Darby Date: 25 Aug 02 - 11:19 PM alanabit You beat me to it Bob Hoskins said he'd have given anything for the part. My nomination is for Ralph Maccio in 'Crossroads' I love the film, but he just doesn't hold the guitar like someone who actually plays one. Creeping just a bit, I love the line in 'Robin Hood Prince of Thieves' where Kevin Costner, arriving at the cliffs of Dover (200 miles away) says "Tonight we dine with my father in Sherwood." What was he on? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst Miscasting: Actual and Feared From: bob jr Date: 25 Aug 02 - 11:26 PM i forgot about the movie "che" which is bad to begin with omar shariff in the title role...but jack palance (!!!) steals the show as castro |