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Subject: what can replace napster From: texastoolman Date: 15 May 01 - 03:29 PM i can no longer download anything from napster and i sure do miss it i was able to get a lot of the real old blues recording they are so hard to come by unless you have a lt of money to invest in collecting whole collections at a time what about it does anyone have any viable suggestions tex |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 May 01 - 03:36 PM Yup... First, learn to punctuate... Then download one of the apps from Gnutella.com... Enjoy eh! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST,Ed Date: 15 May 01 - 03:47 PM Napster still works for me, although there's less there than there used to be. Alternatives include: ImeshNot working at the moment. I've not tried all of these so I'm not sure how good they are. Do you have newsgroup access? If so there are lots of binary groups out there where you can exchange stuff. Ed |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Bluebelle Date: 15 May 01 - 04:15 PM And, please, do remember, while you're downloading music from Napster, that you are taking money away from the folk, old-time, bluegrass, etc., musicians who are not making the big bucks, anyway. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: texastoolman Date: 15 May 01 - 04:20 PM i apologize for tha way my words come out on the thread after i submit it ,i'm not used to being edited by some word watching gatekeeper,like mudcat seems to have.i write in a blank verse style ,kind of like the beatniks poetry of the 50's.but i can't do in this particular format and it makes my word seem ignorant and cluttered perhaps someone could enlighten me |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST,Ed Date: 15 May 01 - 04:28 PM You need to use some html to format your words how you'd like to see them. There's loads of information about this in the Mudcat FAQ (right at the top of the threads list). In your case entering <br> whenever you want a line break should suffice. Ed |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 May 01 - 04:29 PM Oh please... the number of people who's mp3's I've downloaded and then gone out and purchased that without Napster I never would have even heard of I can't even count! And the people I now know to look for?!?! jeeze... Share the music folks... THAT'S what it's for! toolman... 50's beat poetry? cool enough, but no one want's to read it 24/7... I find people get a much more favourable response to their posts if they use "The Queens English" so to speak... Save the poetry for the coffee house... Now where did I put that black turtle-neck?? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: texastoolman Date: 15 May 01 - 05:20 PM well it's too much trouble to do here anywayand i'm not about to get into an argument over the way i choose to express myself .if "your queen's english " is godd enough for you then so be it.it just seems a shame to be limited by some machines lack of imagination.free your minds as well as the music |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST,Ed Date: 15 May 01 - 05:28 PM OK, But you might like to say thanks for the help and useful links. Common courtesy and all that? Ed |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Art Thieme Date: 15 May 01 - 05:45 PM The only way you might replace Napster is to go to your favorite music store while they're closed, bust out their window, step inside and steal all the CDs you want. Art |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: SeanM Date: 15 May 01 - 05:48 PM Without rehashing the entire "Is Napster the Antichrist?" argument we go through occasionally, this IS one of the occasions where damage is done by shutting down the service. When I had the connection and memory for it, I used Napster on several occasions to download songs that I could not find for sale ANYWHERE - on the web, in the record stores, what have you. Quite a few other songs could only be found as part of tremendous (and tremendously expensive) collections. Unfortunately, even with these collections, 99% of the artists featured will not see a penny for the sales of them. They're considered 'fair use' by the record companies that own the rights, and even if the artists still live, chances are that there will not be any re-releases of the original material while any rights holder could possibly lay claim to any portion of the profits. Without discussing the rights and the wrongs of MP3 et al, I'll just say - an alternative is needed. The current situation bottles up the vast majority of music created within the past century, and with the fairly regular extensions that RIAA and the major labels push through congress it's likely that the material will NEVER enter public domain. That's not what it was created for. It's wrong. M |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Bluebelle Date: 15 May 01 - 05:50 PM Clinton Hammond: I've no doubt that you do exactly, as you've described, however, for every one of you, there are ten others, who have spent the money for a CDRW, but don't spend a penny on cd's, preferring instead to download their music from Napster, et.al. Texastoolman: You may write in any mode you wish, however, if you want your inquiries answered, I would suggest you write in such a way that others may understand what you are saying/asking. If you are unable to write in an understandable manner, let the folks know and they will take pains to decipher your words. It may, of course, take longer than usual, therefore, delaying the answers to your inquiries. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Clinton Hammond Date: 15 May 01 - 06:02 PM 10 others? I some how doubt it... otherwise cd sales wouldn't be UP as high as they are since the inception of Napster... I honestly believe that the image of a Napster addict, downloading entire libraries of music and squirting it straight to his long chain of CDR's is a horrid fallacy, perpetrated by the SOB's at the helm of major record companies... What it boils down to is this... if you're uncomfortable using file sharing, then don't use it... but don't crap on everybody who does... there are plenty (I'd hazard a guess at a MAJORITY) of users sharing legit files for legit purposes... I AM not one of those... I am a pirate! I always will be! Arrrrrrrg! LOL!! |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Bill D Date: 15 May 01 - 06:05 PM what a blessing that we don't have to decipher folks handwriting here..*grin*....random spelling and runtogethersentences are bad enough!.... (the first law of hitchhiking is "look like who you want to pick you up"...the first law of writing for help in 'sanil mail' is "include a stamped, self-addressed envelope"...perhaps we could make the first law of 'requests' in here be "take enough time to be coherent"?) |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: dick greenhaus Date: 15 May 01 - 06:09 PM SeanM- You obviously haven't looked everywhere. You never called CAMSCO 800/548-FOLK |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: SeanM Date: 15 May 01 - 06:22 PM OK. Napster's wrong. I'm the Antichrist for downloading "Cocaine Lil" from an old compilation CD online that didn't even have an artist named. I'll accept that, even if I have yet to find it anywhere that I could buy it. The idea that I most like - and oddly, an idea that the major labels fight tooth and nail - is a 'pay to download' or subscription service for their back catalogue. Yes, it would be limited in scope. Chances are, it would only be the serious old music junkies and researchers. However, it would also be low overhead. One search routine and already existing sales software would cover the entire software end of it, and most major labels have already converted most or all of their back catalogues to digital. Even without it, the limited start up cost would doubtless be rewarded by the people who wish to get the recordings that are out of circulation. Heck, do the "MP3.com" thing and offer entire CDs from the back collection. I'd be willing to imagine they could make a pretty penny from having Bessie Smith's earliest recordings available on an 'as requested' basis. A service like this would also (FINALLY) give them something they could take the high ground over. The legitimate complaints from Napster (and other) users that they're stifling out-of-print releases would be silenced. With the decreased overhead, they would (hopefully) be able to actually route money to the artists or estates of the artists still protected by copyright. Plus, it would be a handy little revenue stream. The only major disadvantage that I can see to the record labels is that it takes the control over what their PR execs feel the public needs to be conditioned to away to a degree. However, to me, this plan makes sense. That alone probably dooms it. M |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Matt_R Date: 15 May 01 - 06:24 PM Hey Dick, does Camsco have any Embrace, JJ72, Bluetones, Gomez, Mansun, or vintage Move albums? I need those! |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: SeanM Date: 15 May 01 - 06:25 PM And Dick... I love CAMSCO. Had I actual money (or a job, at the moment), there are several recordings I would purchase... however, some of them just aren't available. I've been looking for a Clancy Brothers recording (Songs of the Sea, I believe) for a couple years, and aside from one song on Napster (that I later found on a compilation CD) I haven't found more than mentions that it exists... M |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST,Ed Date: 15 May 01 - 06:33 PM Napster (and clones)are the only way I know of hearing unavailable Nic Jones songs and tunes. As such I'm very grateful for it. I would happily pay for them, but they're not available. Therefore I download them from these sites. I've sent Nic some money, because I believe he deserves it. Legally, I'm in the wrong. Morally? I think not. Ed |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Bill D Date: 15 May 01 - 06:45 PM funny thing about programs like Napster...everyone who DOES use it in a sane, legal, responsible way will wear a big label telling you so.....but the MILLIONS who simply see it as a way to get something for nothing just grumble in the background and look for replacements. It's like a bird feeder...if you make it accessible to the birds you like, it is VERY difficult to keep the squirrels from stealing the bulk of the goodies. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST Date: 15 May 01 - 06:57 PM Bill, To continue your analogy - would you prefer it if the birds went hungry? Of course, it's open to abuse. However, it's here and it's here to stay. Use it as your morals permit. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Matt_R Date: 15 May 01 - 07:25 PM Since I got Napster, my CD buying has gone up to 1 or 2 a week! |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: texastoolman Date: 15 May 01 - 07:58 PM i'm gonna see if this works like you say it should |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: texastoolman Date: 15 May 01 - 08:01 PM i still don't ge4t it ,guess i'll have do more research or ask for more help.i do appreciate the help buyt i was off line for a bit.i have to share the phone with my 9 yr. old daughter |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: texastoolman Date: 15 May 01 - 08:05 PM i'm trying once again |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST,Ed Date: 15 May 01 - 08:07 PM texastoolman, Maybe I'm alone in feeling this way, but the fact that, (alhough you've been promted to), you've not bothered to say 'thank you' to people who have offered you advice. As a result, I, for one, will not try to help you anymore. That's a shame when all it needed was a 'thank you' Ed |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Big Mick Date: 15 May 01 - 09:04 PM Yeah..........but I still want someone to just admit that despite all the lofty load of shite that you wrap around it, it still comes down to the fact that you like having the ability to get something for nothing. And SeanM, if you use to get stuff you can't get somewhere else, then I assume you wouldn't mind it if there were a slight charge for that? In other words, if they brought Napster back in a form where you could download all the tracks you wanted at, say $0.75 US per cut, then you wouldn't mind? Because that is the only way I would buy into that line of reasoning. Nope..........ARE YOU LISTENING, CLINTON????..........this all comes down to the fact that, for a brief moment, you had the ability to steal from the candy store, and they took it back. Just admit it folks. C'mon........someone say it.....say "Yes Mick, I like it because I don't have to pay for that which I used to have to pay for". It is theft. Pure and simple. Mick |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: catspaw49 Date: 15 May 01 - 09:11 PM Sign me on with Art, Bill, and Mick. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: SeanM Date: 15 May 01 - 09:14 PM Well, Mick, if you'll read the idea that I posted above, no I would NOT mind if they came up with a way to let the out of circulation tracks I preferred be downloaded for a reasonable charge. Unfortunately, from the press releases I've seen, the majority of the recording industries likens that to suggesting that we stake their daughters down in the public square naked with signs saying "Take me now" posted over their heads. They also have this reaction with the concept of letting samples of 'their' artists' recordings be listened to beyond the mass released singles (Gee, I wonder if you could actually hear more than the one 'top 40' single... maybe that would be the end of the 'one song' wonders? Hmmmm....) I think that most of what the recording industry (NOT the artists, mind you) disagrees with is the loss of their control. As it is now, major labels decide when and how ANYTHING is released, regardless of demand. Why make an artist's work available all the time, when instead (despite his/her/their wishes) you can create an artificial drought and charge MORE for the same product in fifteen years? M |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST,robomatic49 Date: 15 May 01 - 09:25 PM Napster enabled pirating from such folk as Madonna, Britney Spears, Metallica, and REO Speedwagon without paying for it. But that was not the ONLY good thing it did. It enabled people like me to explore what was out there and listen to a lot of music for a few times (MP3's do NOT sound as good as CDs) and then decide what was worth buying. I found out through Napster there WAS such a group as the Austin Lounge Lizards. Went out to buy their albums. Next day, no more Austin Lounge Lizards on Napster. A close call. Now so many more people will not even know they exist. Many people distributed music no longer commercially available. What will follow? Something even harder to extinguish such as peer to peer sharing. Napster isn't the antichrist. It's large, overfunded labels which are trying to dominate the airwaves and commercial outlets, sucking in credulous young ears like so much plankton. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Big Mick Date: 15 May 01 - 09:28 PM OK, Sean, I accept that you would. And if you check on my previous posts on this issue, you would find that I care fuckall about the major labels. If this were about them, then I wouldn't have as much to say, although I would still be troubled by the perception that the taking of something without paying the cost for it is OK. But the real danger, in my mind, is to the Camsco's and the Folk Legacy's of the world. And right behind that is the small band doing an independent release. I think of the Jed Marum's, the Rick Fielding's, the Seamus Kennedy's, the Dan Milner's..............yeah, even the Conklin Céilí Band's of the world. I believe that the folks at Napster blew a great opportunity. Had they marketed their service to small labels and artists at the outset, with them collecting the fees and taking a cut, building a market and momentum, the big labels would have had to deal with them. But when they went right out and created a way to steal the property of others, they played right into the powers that be. And this is not 20/20 hindsight on my part. I said as much before the decisions came down. Damn shame. Could have been a helluva tool. All the best, Sean. Mick |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: ddw Date: 15 May 01 - 09:59 PM I've never opend the Napster site — not for any lofty moral reasons, just because I'm only on-line at work — but when I retire in a few years I'll be buying the best computer I can afford and certainly a CD burner. Pay for download? You betcha! I would LOVE to be able to make my own compilation CDs or ones of particular artists and not have half the music be songs I don't like. I'm also with the camp that says Napster's freebies are pure theft if they're used as the sole source of music, but if they're used for sampling (as Matt and Clinton claim they do), I would remind the hardliners that you can go into a music store and listen to what's on offer. I don't see any enormous difference there. And, adding to SeanM's thoughts, maybe of the major record companies would use, instead of fighting, services like Napster, they might discover interest in material that they have no current plans to release. It might prompt them to expand their offerings a little to cater to those of us with more esoteric tastes.... david |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Matt_R Date: 15 May 01 - 10:38 PM Ddw, you don't GET it. There aren't any listening stations at CD stores for the music I want because NO fucking CD stores sell what I want. AND there are no free listens in CD stores for ever single CD. It's just popular stuff, which is NOT what I'm looking for. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST,Geordie Date: 15 May 01 - 11:33 PM I miss Napster..one of the things that isn't mentioned is that a number of artists do make incredibly bad records from time to time..the Bruce Cockburn Christmas album springs instantlt to mind. When this happens there is never any discussion of compensenating the buyer who has spent a fair amount of money on a shoddy product. Napster let me listen first and avoid the junk. My CD purchases went up..buit I will buy no more..I feel I've been manipulated and accused of theft by a lot of very pompous and arrogant people..I just want to hear the music, it's that simple. Please do't load that "theft" shit on me...it is soooooo self serving. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: ddw Date: 15 May 01 - 11:50 PM Matt, Maybe it's you who doesn't get it. I've never asked to hear a CD in a store and been refused. I know it might be difficult for you to have that much social interaction with a real person, but maybe you should try it. david |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Clinton Hammond Date: 16 May 01 - 12:05 AM ouch...
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: SeanM Date: 16 May 01 - 12:47 AM Actually, DDW, I can attest to MANY times being told that a CD was not listenable to. I used to work in a 'corporate' music store - "The Wherehouse". We were told quite firmly that if a customer wanted to hear music that WE HAD A DEMO CD FROM, that we were allowed to wait until the current CD on play was over and then put that in. However, if a customer wanted something not on 'playlist', then they were out of luck. Didn't matter if the artist in question was selling well, or if we'd HAD a demo cd but someone on staff had 'borrowed' (i.e., stolen) the CD before the alloted time that we were required to have it available expired. Blockbuster Music (for all I'm aghast at the corporation) had for a short while before they folded a 'listen to any CD in the store' policy. Of course, there, the problem was that they didn't stock anything too far out of mainstream, and special order CDs were exceptions to the policy. Our chain attempted to create a similar program (which you can still find in place) with 'listening stations'. However, speaking for the store I worked for, the station had 6 pre-set CDs and was locked to prevent anyone but the designated corporate rep from changing out the discs within. Further, I believe what Matt's referring to above is not even so much the issue that he can't listen to the CDs he wishes to in store, but the fact that the stores don't carry them. So, no. Unfortunately, listening in-store isn't a viable option. In 'major urban' markets, neither is listening to the radio. I recently relocated to the sticks, and find the musical variety on the air INCREDIBLE compared to the tripe that I could get in the city. Whereas before there was nothing but mass market radio and 2-3 low band NPR stations that you could only recieve a few hours a day, out here there are dozens of non-mass stations. It's heaven. Too bad it's so miserable otherwise. And Mick... I do agree with you to a large extent. However, I think that unfortunately Napster rather blew up in a naive programmer's face. The original programmer wrote something that I don't believe he ever put the forethought of 'right or wrong' into, and it became something MUCH larger than he'd ever intended it to be. When Napster first started gaining popularity, an interview with the guy basically said that he had no clue that anyone besides he and a few friends would find it useful, and that he'd posted it mainly because that's what most independent developers do - write programs of limited use, post them on a website, and hope that someone who has money recognizes their talent and hires them on to a REAL job. That being said, I do agree that when it started expanding he should have taken the route you suggest. I can only surmise that by that point, he was probably rather taken with the 'pirate' aspect of what was going on - it's a big 'net ethic' thing to tweak the noses (and wallets) of the 'big guys' who want to restrict 'your fun'. Of course, this is the same rationale that results in credit card numbers being stolen, websites hacked, virii being written... Anyway, enough ranting. In my mind, if you want to think about where the guy's mind was when he wrote this and how big he thought it would get, just think about the name... he named it after his cat. M |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: dick greenhaus Date: 16 May 01 - 01:45 AM Matt R-
Is there something you want to buy, or are you just sounding off? CAMSCO specializes in folk and folkish music. Organizationally, it's much more tolerant of non-folk stuff than I am personally. No freebies, though. dick greenhaus CAMSCO Music |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Fibula Mattock Date: 16 May 01 - 06:59 AM Right, without joining the "is napster bad?" debate, its problem was (as far as I know) that it had a central server that indexed all the users and mp3s. This meant that it was possible for files to be blocked at the record companies' request. Mis-spelling band and/or song names will get round a lot of the blocks - thing is, because its users have diminshed, so have the amount of available mp3s. The peer-to-peer applications mentioned in the 3rd post (e.g. gnutella) do not index using a central server, instead they seek out other users online and link to yet more. Which means more files, less blocks. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Matt_R Date: 16 May 01 - 08:27 AM Great Scott! Actually Dick, those are ones I'm looking for, but I was being tongue-in-cheek about Camsco having them! Man...wait till my friend here this! The Move on Camsco! Well, they DID cover "Long Black Veil" and "The Last Thing On My Mind"...maybe that's how Camsco picked them up! Lol! WHOA! |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: LR Mole Date: 16 May 01 - 09:56 AM Has anyone ever done a statistical breakout of pop fluff cloned off Napster (Britny, Witny, InZinc, etc.) vs. the sort of exotic stuff most people have mentioned? Different issues, it seems to me. If people want the Top Ten, they should buy the Top Ten. That way they could get the fetching photo as well. But one would think there must be a way to differentiate. On the other hand, if the Napsterer only wants the HIT (because the rest of the album is rehash or crapola), maybe there isn't. Maybe there's some sort of inverse correlation: the more one Napstered, the less..oh, bother. Here's one for free: thanks, Ed. And a purely gratuitous note: I generally do OK with interaction with real people. Whoever they are. |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Bill D Date: 16 May 01 - 11:03 AM a tardy reply to 'guest'....neither the birds nor the squirrels usually 'go hungry', but in the natural order of things, they usually have to do a bit of work for their dinner. *grin*..I feed the birds 'primarily' so they'll be cute in front of MY window, but in altering the pattern of making the bird food 'easy', I also make it easy pickins for the squirrels, who not only steal the bird food, but chew up the plastic feeder. If I have to point out the analogies with Napster, I am wasting my time anyway. I don't have to explain to the birds that they have no 'right' to demand free, easy food...if I stop, they will eat elsewhere with a little more effort...but I can't explain to the SQUIRRELS that if they (the squirrels) get to be too much of a nuisance, ALL feeding will stop 'cause I just can't afford it. Similar analogies by request about pushy, selfish drivers in merging traffic and those who take 23 items into the 7 items express line at the grocery store. (BTW...I HAVE managed to 'block' most of the squirrels with a clever device above my feeder, but the hungry, determined, greedy ones still manage at times...) |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: GUEST,yum yum Date: 16 May 01 - 12:10 PM Texastoolman, you might try audiogalaxy.com it works on the same basis as napster. I have found that it is a little slower but just as good. Don't give up on napster, it could be back. yum yum |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: mousethief Date: 16 May 01 - 12:37 PM I would gladly pay $1 a cut or more to get rare and out-of-print stuff from a download service. And I would gladly pay the equivalent of a new CD (or slightly more) for a new CD's worth of cuts which I get to select myself, even though I *could* go out and buy 20 CD's, to get the 20 songs I want, wtih the 380 songs I don't want. Alex |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: M.Ted Date: 16 May 01 - 12:46 PM Some of you assert, and in fairly inflammatory language, that use of Napster is, somehow, "stealing"--I wish that you would clarify exactly why you think it is "stealing"-- According to your understanding of the law--I have yet to hear any compelling arguement that has given me even the slightest indication that the people who use Napster are violating any laws-- As I understand it, even the recording industry is only acting against Napster, rather than any of the Napster users, who they contend, are infringing, and this, as pointed out above, because of way that Napster processes the file exchanges-- Anyway, as a longtime practitioner of the "Weasly Arts" of Marketing, Advertising, and Public Relations, I can assure you that musicians and performers are not in danger of losing any money because of Napster--quite the opposite, they can benefit from it incredibly(and without those "downlad fees" that people keep talking about)--it is the record companies who are threatened by it--because it takes the control away from them and gives it back to the audiences and the artists-- Be aware that when you stand against Napster, you stand against the real interests of performers and artists, and solidly in line with those whose interest lies in systmatically exploiting them and preventing them from reaping the benefits of their own creative work!!!!!(And I am not kidding, either!!) Dick, I owe you a phone call--I promised to call you to have a marketing discussion if you were interested, and you sent me a PM that I just got, owing to having two MTed mailboxes--And I will call you soon--
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Clinton Hammond Date: 16 May 01 - 01:20 PM Limewire, a gnutella clone, looks like it might be pretty good... just installed it... gonna play around wih the interface for a bit... Whole whack of Jethro Tull right off the bat... pretty cool! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: mousethief Date: 16 May 01 - 01:26 PM Geez, M. Ted, it iesn't that hard a concept. You're getting music for free that somebody else paid for, rather than paying for it yourself. Except for music specifically authorized by the artist, it's stealing. It's like you had ten friends who went in together, bought one album, and made nine copies. That would be "stealing." I can't see how this is a difficult concept. Alex |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Matt_R Date: 16 May 01 - 01:28 PM So what if you just tape off the radio? Or rare record from an old library? What should you do, pretend to lose the record, pay the library the money so you can keep it? Is that "stealing"? |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: mousethief Date: 16 May 01 - 01:53 PM Taping off the radio is problematic also. The rare record case is a little grayer, but it's apples-and-oranges to compare that to downloading the latest, hottest CD, which is the majority of use Napster gets. Alex |
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Subject: RE: what can replace napster From: Bill D Date: 16 May 01 - 02:13 PM here's the concept: guy makes music..wants to make some sort of profit from it. He makes a CD or tape and tries to figure out how to get enough people to buy it to make the whole effort worthwhile. Now, he MAY put out free demos, he MAY go with a producer/distributor, he MAY stand on the corner and sing the songs and sell CDs from a bin....but it should be his choice. If he guesses wrong, he'll learn better. If HE wants to put up samples on the WWW, fine...makes a certain amount of sense, depending on the music, and it's easy enough to do if that's what HE wants. But if YOU decide to distribute HIS stuff in ways he does not approve,(even if you're SURE he's wrong), that's illegal, immoral and mean. All the rhetoric about "record companies' loss of control" is just noise if the artist has agreed with the record companies about who makes marketing decisions! The point is, there must be ONE set of rules...there are LOTS of choices within the set of rules. Simply deciding that you'll download stuff just because it's there, without checking to see if this artist put it there or approves, is just plain stealing, even if you kid yourself that no one but some corporate entity is 'really' being hurt.
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