Baptist Sunday School words offensive?

Subject: ADD: De History Ob De World
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Dec 17 - 10:10 PM

Here's a very similar version from a book with the title The Up To Date Nigger Song Book

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ua5XAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA47

DE HISTORY OB DE WORLD
(Arranged by S. Contreso)

O, I come from ole Virginny,
Wid my head fill ob knowledge,
And I never went to free school,
Nor any other college.
But one ting I will tell you,
Which am a solemn fact,
I tell you how dis world was made
In a twinkling ob a crack.

CHORUS
Den walk in, den walk in I say,
Den walk in, and hear de banjo play.
Den walk into the parlour,
And hear de banjo ring;
And watch dis nigger's fingers,
While he plays upon de string.

Oh, dis world was made in six days,
And den dey made de sky.
And den dey hung it overhead
And left it dar to dry.
And den dey made de stars
Out ob nigger wenches' eyes,
For to gib a little light
When de moon didn't rise.

So Adam was de fust man,
Ebe she was de oder,
And Cain walk'd on de tread-mill,
Because he killed his broder;
Old modder Ebe,
Couldn't sleep widout a pillar,
And de greatest man dat eber lived
Was Jack de giant-killer.

And den dey made de sea,
And in it put a whale,
And den dey made a racoon,
Wid a ring around his tail;
All de oder animals
Was finished one by one
And stuck against the fence to-day
As fast as they were done.

O, lightning is a yellow gal,
She libs up in de clouds,
And thunder, he's a black man,
For he can hollow loud;
When he kisses lightning,
She dodges off in wonder,
Den he jumps, and tares his trousers,
And dat's what makes de thunder.

O, de wind begins to blow,
And de rain begins to fall,
And de water come so high,
Dat it drown'd de niggers all;
And it rained forty days and nights,
Exactly by the counting,
And it landed Noah's ark
'Pon the Alleghany mountains.

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 15 Dec 17 - 05:47 PM

Joe: Just added my two bits to what was already posted in the linked song threads.

RE: Foster, I did that part from memory though. Oops. It used to be "Uncredited" but I see the online consensus is moving away from that. My copy is the same as in the Levy Collection which is still credited to Foster... for now. It's a tandem sheet with Old Unkle Ned on the "B-Side" as it were. Both were part of A.F. Winnemore's Jim Crow Jubilee that was supposed to have a proto-Oh Susanna in it as well.

Augustus Clapp's credit was usually "Arranged for the Piano Forte By..." Have never been able to find much background on him.

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: GUEST,Darth vade
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 01:12 PM

That’s so funny. I grew up in a Christian home, though not baptist, and my dad used the word raisins not razors. It never really made a lot of sense to me but the whole song is a little crazy any way. Now that I know the real title of the song I understand the whole hoopla.

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: GUEST,Joe_F (away from home}
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 03:27 PM

I first heard the song (the "darky" version) in an assembly at my (progressive, private) high school about 1952. The man who sang it was black, a teacher, a former minister, and of British origin. We did not consider "darky" (or "pickaninny", for that matter) offensive -- such words came across as affectionate slang, unlike "nigger", which everybody knew was a nasty word.

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 03:50 PM

When I was a young girl in the late forties/early fifties, (W London) the word 'nigger' wasn't considered 'racist', merely the vernacular for black people. We had knitting wool in nigger brown, 'The Three Golliwogs' (story by Enid Blyton) were called Golly, Woggie and Nigger (!!!) and when I started riding lessons, my favourite pony was called Nigger.
But rather than change the words to racist-sounding songs, it's better just to avoid singing them in my view.

(In case anyone who doesn't know me thinks I'm a racist old biddy, I married my lovely Ivorian husband many years ago, and he's extremely black!)

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Oct 25 - 09:55 PM

Young folks, old folks everybody come join the hap

Py sunday school and have alot of fun please park your chew
Ng gum and spitballs by the door and you'll hear some bible stories theat you never heard before salome was a dancer she danced before the king the clothes she wore didn't
Amount to anything the king got excited and offered her a beer sa

lome did a backflip and kicked the chandeleer
refrain salome was a dancer she danced the hoochie kooch the clothes she wore didn't amount to very mooch the king said salome we'll have no scandle here salome said to hell with you and tore off her brassier refrain in came noah stumbling in the dark found himself a hammer and nail and built himself an ark in came the animals two by two the long necked giraffe and the hippity-hop kangaroo refrain samson was a strong man the strongest in the land he could do anything dynamite can he leaned on the pillars and the temple fell and all the people had to run l
















ike heck

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: BobL
Date: 03 Oct 25 - 01:31 AM

Artificial Incompetence at work here?

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: GUEST,PHJim
Date: 03 Oct 25 - 08:59 AM

In 1960, I and two other members of the 76 Hamilton Boy Scout Troop formed a folk trio called "The Rovers Three". We learned three chords and performed three songs for a variety show. one of those songs was "The Sunday School Song" learned from an Oscar Brand songbook. It was probably a variation of the "Baptist Sunday School" with the denomination omitted.

Young folks old folks, everybody come
Come into the sunday school and make yourself at home
There's a place to put your chewing gum, you park it on the floor
And you'll hear some bible stories like you never heard before.

with verses like:
Salome was a dancing girl, she did the hootchie cooch
The king he didn't like it cause she didn't wear to moocn
The king said to Salome, "Girl we cannot have that here!"
Salome said, "The heck we can't," and kicked the chandelier.

I have since seen it as "Baptist Sunday School" and as "Darkies' Sunday School," but I prefer it just as "The Sunday School Song".

Subject: ADD: The Grand Salvation Meeting
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 03 Oct 25 - 09:15 AM

I suppose some people could be offended by this song, which came from a Kentish singer Fred Cottenham.

THE GRAND SALVATION MEETING

Now, come kind friends and brother Smuts, what a glorious time will be,
A grand salvation meeting, we're going to have a tea,
There'll be ham, lamb, slam and jam, and the price will be one bob,
And I've got to act as chairman and be fairly on the job.

Chorus:
Oh, then we'll have some fun, et cetera, et cetera,
Brandy, tea and rum, et cetera, et cetera,
Ham, lamb, slam and jam, et cetera, et cetera,
We're going to have another, won't you come, come, come.

At a half past four we all sat down, brother Smuts said grace,
Someone upped with a piece of pork and slapped it in his face,
This pork it had some mustard on which made our brother sore,
Then someone upped with a coal scuttle until our parents roared.

Chorus:

We all had a band of music, a fiddle and a drum,
After tea was over, we rinsed our lips with rum,
We had a game of kissing ring and all things for a lark,
Then someone put out all the lights and left us in the dark.

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: GUEST,Jon Bartlett
Date: 05 Oct 25 - 11:21 PM

for"Bring your sticks of chewing gum,
And sit upon the floor,"

I heard

"Park your stick of chewing gum with Rastus at the door"

A mondegreen?

Jon Bartlett

Subject: RE: Baptist Sunday School words offensive?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 11 Oct 25 - 04:18 PM

Mention was made (years ago probably) of The Cat Came Back
I can't really remember the version that was often played on the English wireless in the 50s but I'm puzzled about references to an offensive origin