Dave Bulmer (discussion)

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 09:57 AM

MMMMM I wonder if the point made by Pavanne above is in any way relevent to my recent experience of buying a CD copy of Bright Phoebus from Music By Mail via Amazon. When I received the CD it would not play on either of my CD players though it did play on my computer. I phoned Music By Mail and they said it must be a dud and dispatched another immediately which behaved in the same way. I phoned again and asked if it were a CDr since neither the CD or the packaging indicated that. The chap was vague in reply but said he thought they might have some of the originals somewhere. When the next CD arrived the typeface used to print the CD surface details was different and had LEADER printed in blue instead of black. It plays without difficulty on all my CD players.The service from Music by Mail was excellent but I refrained from giving any Amazon feedback because, having read some of the threads about Celtic Music on Mudcat, I felt that something not quite above board was going on.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 10:06 AM

I suppose all you peeps are aware that Music By Mail is Celtic Music by another name, operating out of the very same address in Harrogate. The BBC Folk & Acoustic site, despite innumerable requests for them to desist, continue to display an ad for this extremely dubious mail order business. Smooth Operations (the outsourced production company which runs the site) whimpers the excuse that "Bulmer is doing nothing illegal" (ha) and they wouldn't want to be accused of acting "unfairly" against his business.

Draw your own conclusions.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: pavane
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 10:34 AM

So do these CR(R)'s have the MCPS logo?

If they don't need it, then they don't need to be CDR's! If they don't have it, then they had better not contain any copyrighted arrangements.

Avoiding paying royalites may only be a civil matter, but I am sure that if MPCS thought they were being deprived of substantial sums, they might take action. If they find just ONE CDR, they might well ask how many more might have been sold...

(And remember - what they got Al Capone for was tax evasion)

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 11:06 AM

Dave Bulmer's not doing anything illegal, as such, immoral yes, illegal, no. Unfortunately that's the way things stand at the moment, unless people want to stand up and be counted and fight for a change in the laws.

Charlotte (keeping a strict eye)

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: pavane
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 11:17 AM

Maybe not criminally illegal, but failing to pay royalties when due is still illegal, just a civil offence. It usually takes deep pockets to take legal action, but it CAN be taken.

But first you have to find an example, which is what I was suggesting.

Not that I am not talking about the ownership of copyright of the sound recording, but of the copyright of third parties which might have been infringed.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 11:18 AM

What does the MCPS logo look like? I can't see anything looking like such a logo on either version of the CDs. Both versions carry the same statement about ALL RIGHTS being reserved etc.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: pavane
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 11:30 AM

Could be a rectangle with the letters MCPS inside.

Next step, is there anything on it which is likely to have a 3rd party copyright?

However, one would also have to ascertain whether royalties were paid directly to the copyright holders, which might happen (what do you think, though?)

According to the web, these are the tracks album with the composers:

Rubber Band ... Mike Waterson (2:55)
Scarecrow ... Lal Waterson (3:48)
Fine Horseman ... Lal Waterson (3:24)
Winifer Odd ... Lal Waterson (2:47)
Danny Rose ... Lal Waterson (2:40)
Child Among the Weeds ... Lal Waterson, Chris Collins (3:40)
Magical Man ... (none) (2:44)
Never the Same ... Lal Waterson (2:54)
To Make You Stay ... Lal Waterson (2:11)
Shady Lady ... Lal Waterson (3:17)
Red Wine and Promises ... Lal Waterson (3:02)
Bright Phoebus ... Mike Waterson

Even if the Watersons had signed their rights to the record label, I don't know if that would have included composers rights.
And what about Chris Collins?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 02:04 PM

I dunno about the UK, but here in the States CD-Rs are the only way to go if you wish to produce CDs with limited sales potential. It's senseless to pay for 1000 pressed CDs when your expectations od sales top out at maybe 50 per annum.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: pavane
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 03:00 AM

I have checked a number of CD's which I have to hand (But no inserts)
Several, but not all, have MCPS on the CD itself, including Steeleye Span (Spanning the years) and Boys of the Lough (West of Ireland)

But the font and style vary, and I think the letters MCPS are sufficient. Of course, that is only for the UK; I think there are equivalents in other countries.

I take Dick's point about CD-R, but it should still have the MCPS if they have been paid. As I said above, we use CDR ourselves, and put MCPS on the insert. And I am sure that some of the Bulmerised albums would have substantial sales, because they include many of the best folk albums from the UK revival (see full list in a different thread).

Bright Phoebus was perhaps not a good example, because there might have been no third-party rights.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 10:58 AM

Send to Dave Bulmer, c/o of Satan, Hades, Hell, SE1

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 11:07 AM

"Send to Dave Bulmer, c/o of Satan, Hades, Hell, SE1"

this is exremely unhelpful in what is a very important area of music rights and ownership.

Charlotte (n0n-legal beagle)

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: pavane
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 12:21 PM

The essence is that reissues on CDR (if without MCPS registration) might infringe third party rights, in which case MCPS might take an interest.

Two MIGHTs but worth a try, to get the big guns into the battle.

Think how difficult it is for anyone to determine whether their 'folk' songs and their tunes are really in the public domain.
(Or whether the McPeakes have copyrighted them)

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,michael jacksy
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 06:23 AM

whats the latest state of play in this saga?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,Raphie
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 11:24 AM

Situation unchanged as far as I know. Intransigence continues at it's usual snails pace.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,Michael jacksy
Date: 12 Jan 12 - 02:10 PM

Shame.

At least I have a first pressing of Bright Phoebus from 1972 so I can enjoy that music on vinyl.

Nic Jones in particular deserves better but we all know that anyway.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 13 Jan 12 - 02:51 AM

Hello Michael.
Maybe the fact that Nic has performed twice Live in the last two Years. (Sidmouth 2010 and the QEH London, both sell out gigs) and is planning to appear at a few UK festivals in 2012, will make the owner of Celtic Music do the right thing by the family.
All too late for Mike and Lal Waterson, and Tony Rose.
I'm not holding my breath, I must admit.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,Tom Millett (Sydney)
Date: 26 Feb 12 - 12:05 AM

The Celts came to Ireland about 500BC. There were other peoples in Ireland since about 8000BC
To my knowledge the Celts were never acknowledged for their Music, Just their ability to cause mayhem.
The Irish language and Irish culture are just that 'IRISH'.
So lets Dump this Celtic S***e and let the Irish have the credit they deserve, for good or for bad - They can shoulder it!!!!!

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,Ian Croft
Date: 26 Feb 12 - 07:40 AM

It is perhaps too much to hope that Bill Leader's appearance at the BBC Folk Awards might have tweaked a nerve in Harrogate, but fingers crossed.
Incidentally, I noticed that Topic has released some old albums as download only. This surely ought to be the way forward for Mr. B

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 13 May 12 - 09:26 AM

"This surely ought to be the way forward for Mr. B" - if said master tapes are still viable - which is a very moot point.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 May 12 - 06:40 AM

Great stuff can be done with pristine vinyl copies. Anyone who possesses such things should have 'em locked in a bank vault somewhere for the time being! Well, at least don't let the mice chew 'em.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 15 May 12 - 03:21 AM

Ooer - I have lots of pristine folk albums from Leader, Sweat Folk All, Topic, Transatlantic, etc., including a mint copy of the Copper Family set 'A Song for Very Season' (our family came from Rottingdean).

When I was in NZ in the 1970s - in Hawera, Taranaki - I was so isolated from any form of folk music, indeed from any form of culture other than boozing at the 'three pub corner' in the High Street - that I got my parents to ship out loads of folk lps by surface mail at great expense I might add. None of these were imported into NZ by distributors.

But then I had difficulty obtaining decent record playing equipment - import restrictions on such luxury items, incl. and cassette tape players and even reel-reel tape players were draconian.

When I moved to Auckland and whilst the folk scene was still pretty sparse, e.g. no folk dancing whatsoever, certainly no morris etc., and a few folk song clubs (3), there was one second hand record shop that used to have a few folk lps - which I visited and snapped up every week.

Then a major importer of records - Pye I think - went bust. Suddenly said record shop had quantities of Brit. folk lps for sale at very silly low prices. That's where all the Brit Folk lps had been stored - in a warehouse in Auckland - undistributed for 'lack of demand.' So my collection increased dramatically.

But now - 40 years later - I lack the equipment to play records, and the said lps are languishing on bookshelves some still sealed. Probably like the master tapes DB has. But at least my records are still playable, whereas his tapes are probably not.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Fossil
Date: 15 May 12 - 04:27 AM

Can anyone in the "cat follow up CJB's post? Those precious bit of vinyl need cataloging, re-recording onto digital and preserving in the cloud to prevent the likes of Mr Bulmer from going to his grave thinking that he's won over the true folkies.

I don't want to breach anyone's copyright and would happily pay to listen to any of the material. Even DB, if I have to.

But that stuff needs seeing to. Soon, by the sound of it...

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 15 May 12 - 09:08 AM

Best dealt with by confidential PM, I'd have thought, Fossil.
RtS

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Fossil
Date: 16 May 12 - 05:47 AM

I'd PM anyone I thought had the abilities. I certainly don't have the equipment and if CJ is back in the UK, I'm half a world away from him and his stash anyway. If it's NZ, I'll see what I could do.

Surely some UK 'catter - I know there are many who would do it just for the principle of the thing - could step up?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 16 May 12 - 08:19 AM

If I peg it one day - or rather as a clog dancer - if I pop my clogs - I need to be able to ensure the right people get this pristine collection. Who would or could that be? I thought of EFDSS at C#H but then I thought why? I thought of sending the lot down to Auckland where a certain folk club has a vast archive of such recordings - tape and vinyl. But then they never bother to keep in touch - so again I thought why? My aim in all I do is getting stuff into the public domain bearing in mind that the original artists of official recordings do need a pay back if items are duplicated and sold (the latter which I have no intention of doing BTW) except perhaps to piss off a certain DB.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 12 - 08:57 AM

Leave 'em sealed up and store in equable conditions. You never know when some loophole will be found, and there will always be cracking good playing decks in existence somewhere. Even if the original tapes are lost, you know that the material is not lost. Miracles have been worked with records much older than yours. You are a very important person! Beware of sending 'em to some large organisation where their value may not be appreciated. No centralisation. The best form of defence is a gun on every rooftop... ;-)

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 May 12 - 10:29 AM

No need reminding that digitising vinyl is not the sort of job best left to a mate
who boasts he's got a decent turntable and reckons he's a bit of an expert on hi fi ???

The Bulmer factory pressed CD of "Bright Phoebus" that he was selling at high price on Amazon
was plagued with vocal distortion.
Indicating that if it was a vinyl rip, the original pressing was knackered
and / or he just quickly copied it off on his cheap home stereo music centre.

Here is an example of what genuine expert vinyl rippers would consider minimum standard equipment and procedure
to capture a real state of the art digital trasfer:

Names withheld for errmm.. reasons...

1 - "Vinyl ripping notes:
Equipment:
VPI HW-17F Vacuum Record Cleaner
Technics SL-1210 T/T, Custom power supply,
Rega RB 300 Tonearm,
Denon DL304 M/C Cartridge
NAD 3130 M/C Stage
M-Audio Profire 610 A/D
Adobe audition 3.0

Method:
Clean records, rip (PCM@96/32), remove subsonic (-18Hz)
Manual and carefully targeted automatic de-clicking in software. I make sure this doesn't damage natural clicks.
Occasional use of noise masking techniques such as fading sampled groove noise to mono during track changes, etc.
Normalize whole sides to 100%, Split tracks
FLAC, MD5, M3U, Discogs Tagging, DR, RAR, +Redbook (16-bit dithered in Audition), FTP

This LP's school report:
A++ with gold stars. If only all vinyl was made this way. 180 gram, clean as a whistle, flat as a pancake, on-centre, nearly perfect except for very, very stray little clicks. Hardly had to do a thing. Nice. Mastered with great skill by Doug Sax at TML (The Mastering Lab) and all stamps bear the TML-M mark."



2 - "Vinyl Ripping Process/Equipment

VPI 16.5 RCM
Turntable: VPI Scoutmaster
Tonearm: Trans-Fi Termninator
Cartridge: Audio-Technica AT33PTG loaded at 80 ohms
Phono Stage: Musical Surroundings Phonomena
Digital Interface: E-MU 1212
Recording Software: Adobe Audition 3.01
Recording Bitrate/Sample Rate: 192/24

Post Processing
Run thru ClickRepair at level 10 with
Pitch Protection | off
Reverse | on
Simple
Resample to 96khz in Izotope Rx2 using the default preset
Manually listen to album in Adobe Audition cleaning any clicks/anomalies
Flac with Xrecode II


What Exactly Is An "Ultimate Master"

It is more or less a catchphrase originally used to designate something was a hi-res rip. But since there seems to be a lot "similarly" named rips now I guess I should explain.

I try to present the "ultimate mastering" of a particular LP, the "mastering" is not my equipment or process but the source material, it has always been about finding the best source. Now my opinion of the best source is subject to change as I experience more variations. Whether or not folks think my rip is "definitive" is irrelevant to me, I just try to find the best pressing and don't mind doing the extra clean up that comes with not just ripping new reissues or japanese issues. I understand the appeal of these pressings but I don't subscribe to the notion that they represent the best source 95% of the time."

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 May 12 - 10:46 AM

and while I'm waiting for kettle to boil..

3 - "Technical Log

Hannl "limited" Record Cleaning Machine with Rotating Brush
TT: Bergmann Audio "Magne" (with air-bearing platter)
Tonearm: Bergmann Magne (tangential/linear air-bearing tonearm)
Cartridge: Ortofon MC A 90
Phono Amp: Nagra BPS (battery driven pre amp; 100 Ohm load)
Interconnects by Silent Wire (NF-7)
Benchmark ADC 1 USB
Interconnects by ViaBlue
AC connects by Goldkabel
Wavelab 6.1 recording software (recording & manual click removal)
iZotope RX Advanced 2.0 (resampling & audio restoration)
Traders Little Helper (SBE fix on 16/44.1)


Vacuum Cleaning > Bergmann Magne > Nagra BPS > Laptop > Wavelab 6.1 (24/96) > manual click removal
analyze (no clipping, no DC Bias offset) > resample to 16/44.1 > split into individual Tracks > FLAC encoded (Vers. 1.21)

No silence been removed, please burn gapless to match original tracklayout."


4 - "Technicals
Knosti RCM.
Pink Triangle LPT with
Funk Firm Achromat.
Moth Arm 1 (Rega RB 250).
Audio Technica AT33PTG MC Cart.
Harman Kardon HK990 Integrated Amp.
Gold Interconnects. Creative S80300 External ADC.
Creative WaveStudio 7 Recording Software.
Split and manual de-click with Adobie Audition 3.0.1
Click Repair 3.7"

and these are most respected vinyl ripping experts with some of the least extensive & expensive digi transfer gear setups...

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 12 - 01:32 PM

Thanks for that. That's what I was implying when I said that miracles can be worked, etc. I wasn't suggesting doing it with my Bush music centre!

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Fossil
Date: 17 May 12 - 05:23 AM

Well, that was my point - clearly this isn't a task for the amateur.

PFRocker, how's about kicking some of your expert mates into action?

Where's everybody in the world? Physical location is the thing. Wouldn't it be great if PFR's mate lived just down the road? And could deal with the whole goddam lot in 20 minutes before getting back to sampling Snoop Doggy Dog in 3D Technicolor so that the folkies could hang one on Dave Bastard Bulmer...

CJB, I envy you. Never let those recordings out of your posession, store them like the Crown Jewels they are. And fer the luv of Gawd, don't send them to Auckland!

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: treewind
Date: 17 May 12 - 05:42 AM

For recordings in which Dave Bulmer (or his company, Celtic Music) holds the rights, the problem of re-releasing by anyone else is not a technical one but a legal one.
Just sayin', before we all get too carried away with the technicalities...

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 17 May 12 - 06:16 AM

That was my point, Treewind. Mr B is reputed to be litigious.

RtS

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 03:27 PM

Looks like Dave Bulmer (Celtic Music) may be attempting to cash in his stocks:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-BRIGHT-PHOEBUS-LAL-MIKE-WATERSON-VINTAGE-FOLK-RARE-/130719335656?pt=UK_Records&hash=item1e6f7ac4e8

Several other interesting folk albums there, perhaps half of the 205 albums listed are from the folk field as it was in the seventies/eighties.

yourpricemusic (eBay seller) trading as Celtic Visions,
address given as
North Works
Hookstone Park
Harrogate
North Yorkshire
HG2 7DB
United Kingdom

Ross

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Jun 12 - 08:35 PM

Those have been up on sale on EBay for some time now Ross, and were the subject of heated conversation when first spotted. And if anyone was thinking of "doing" anything regarding digitisation of LP recordings I would advocate heeding Anahata's advice.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 04 Jul 12 - 06:58 PM

More from the vaults:-

BLUE MOUNTAIN FIELD TRIP LP LEADER SOUND NM/NM 0 bids        £9.99        +£4.00         Time left: 3d 19h 56m         
CECILIA COSTELLO LEADER GRAYSLEEVE LP FOLK VINYL RARE 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         
COME DAY, GO DAY... LEADER GRAY SLEEVE JHON MAGUIRE LP 0 bids        £24.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         
FAR CANADIAN FEILDS LEADER GRAYSLEEVE LP FOLK NEW FOWKE 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         
TONY ROSE UNDER THE GREENWOOD TREE LEADER FOLK VINYL 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         
A PEOPLE'S CAROL LEADER GRAYSLEEEVE FOLK LP YORKSHIRE 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         
WADE IN THE FLOOD ANDREW CRONSHAW LEADER VINYL VINTAGE 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         

Ross
PISCES LEADER FOLK VINYL LP GREENWOOD DIGANCE O'CONNOR 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         
THE RAKES VINYL VINTAGE FOLK BILL LEADER IRISH FIDDLE 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         
FLUTE FOR THE FEIS JOHN DOONAN LEADER LP VINTAGE FOLK 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m         
THE BOYS OF THE LOUGH SECOND ALBUM LEADER VINYL LP FOLK 0 bids        £29.99        +£3.50         Time left: 3d 20h 22m

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,Jasper
Date: 15 Jul 12 - 07:24 PM

David Robert Bulmer

Checkout following DirectorCheck Web Address -

http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/904217133

List of Companies / addresses / Assets etc

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 23 Mar 18 - 04:44 AM

I see that many of the albums are now on YouTube - not from me IHTA. Hope DB is rolling in his grave.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 23 Mar 18 - 06:44 PM

So now that the albums are on Ubend those nice people from Sony will claim copyright and prove who the real bastards are.

Despite his insistance on dealing with his openly purchased material in his own way Dave did more for traditional music in the UK than a lot of his detractors,

It has been pointed out more than once on this platform that the material is there to be purchased - so why the whinges - unless it is because the whingers would much prefer to have it free.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 18 - 08:35 PM

Yeah, right, anonymous Guest-guest-coward, no doubt the late Dave's uncle. Nobody here wants anything for free. What we want is amazing music released in the best quality, at almost any price, with fair royalties paid to the artists. Now stop arseing around and tell us all what bits of that you don't understand.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Mar 18 - 08:48 PM

As I'm one of mudcat's more youthful members - a mere 59 - I was too young to hear much of the missing Bulmer LPs
at time of initial release [ or subsequently for obvious reasons...]

So for us youngsters, something like youtube is a justifiable medium to at least have a chance of hearing some of them
to find out what we were missing.

I'd tactfully suggest a discrete list of recommended ones to search for on youtube might be a useful asset

It's a very long time since a local library held a magnificent collection of folk LPs to borrow.

[as did my town library when I was a teenager - mostly Topic LPS - they must have got a bulk deal...???]

Mind you, it's getting rarere to find a local library still open.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 03:56 AM

"Despite his insistance on dealing with his openly purchased material in his own way Dave did more for traditional music in the UK than a lot of his detractors"
like suppressing and hoarding recordings for years so artists material could not be heard, made Kennedylook like a saint

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 08:51 AM

'punkfolkrocker' - I'm lucky here in Miltown Malbay, Co. Clare, the local library has an extensive folk collection, probably due to its strong connection with the piper Willie Clancy & the annual music summer school named after him. Surely, if it's possible in a small town of 800 population, then it should be anywhere?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer - Address
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 01:21 PM

Dave, lost his way in pursuit of money and ended up with a bad rep, her suppressed loads of recordings thus doing himself and lots of others a lot of damage.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 07:26 PM

Touched Steve Shaw's awkward bone again.

Dave suppressed nothing - just insisted in dealing with the material which he had paid for being available at normal markups.

That's what being in business is about.

When was the last time you queried the price a supermarket was charging?

Next have just under acheived by only making £725 MILLION POUNDS - down on last year. Their share price immediately went up by about 8%.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 08:44 PM

Take a bloody hike why don't you, troll.

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Mar 18 - 11:16 PM

"Dave suppressed nothing - just insisted in dealing with the material which he had paid for being available at normal markups."

How can a music fan & potential customer buy something if they never knew it existed;
or maybe might have seen an obscure list of reputedly worthy deleted LPs from decades ago,
but had no reasonable way of hearing any of them
in order to decide on purchase...????????????

There are plenty of 1960s and 70s rock bands that sold few LPs first time around
that have enjoyed reappraisal in the music magazines leading to succesful high quality remastered LTD Edition CD release...

Even Wombles complete recordings have been reissued on CDs over the last 40 years...!!!!

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 06:41 PM

I don't know how old you are PFR but yes the bulk of the stuff Dave bought the ownership and copyright for was "reputedly worthy deleted LPs". I think most people who had a serious interest in folk music at the time the material was produced were more than likely aware it was there - in a lot of cases they would not have the sort of disposable income the current generation enjoys. There was at the time a fair chance a lot of the stuff would have ended up in a skip!

So maybe Dave didn't live long enough!

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Mar 18 - 07:03 PM

Dave suppressed many recordings including one that i was involved in he was pain in the arse

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 27 Mar 18 - 03:16 PM

Why Dick would a man who, according to your previous posting on this thread, was only interested in money, refuse to sell something?

And what do you mean by suppress?

Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 10:00 AM

I'm just a punter, happy to add purchased CDs to my collection...

Trying to momentarily set aside the bitter disputes, and anger at Bulmer from within the older folk artists community...

As a music fan and buyer, my frank appraisal of this Bulmer saga
is that the man was probably more in tune with slowly selling pre-existing remaindered LPs
accumulated in boxes in his warehouse.
But not adept at conserving or appreciating the commercial and/or artistic value of master tapes.

More to the point, he seemed to have little real understanding of how to effectively
promote, market, and profit from the greater and lesser treasures hidden in his vast hoard...

The modern world of cost effective high quality niche CD releases, music downloads, and streaming
seems to have been beyond his limited understanding and vision...???????