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Dave Bulmer (discussion)

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The Sandman 28 Mar 18 - 11:13 AM
Howard Jones 30 Mar 18 - 05:27 AM
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GUEST,kenny 30 Mar 18 - 12:58 PM
Howard Jones 31 Mar 18 - 01:58 AM
FScott 11 Apr 18 - 04:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 11:13 AM

no idea , but because i do not understand his behaviour, does not make his behaviour acceptable he was imo a greedy pain in the arse , fact is he suppressed other peoples recordings


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: Howard Jones
Date: 30 Mar 18 - 05:27 AM

It is very difficult to fathom Bulmer's motives. We should be thankful that someone stepped in to the assets when Leader went bust, or they might have ended up in a skip. Were his motives to preserve a catalogue which included some important recordings, or purely financial?

The assets were at least preserved, in the sense that they were not lost or destroyed. However if they are not made widely accessible then what is the point?

He presumably paid something for the assets when Leader went bust, but he seems to have had little idea how to recoup his investment. Yes, he would sell CD-Rs on demand, but he did little or nothing to advertise this. Despite what Guest troll claims, many people who had a serious interest in folk music at the time would not have known what had happened to it, or how to get in touch with him. Remember, this was long before the internet, when the folk scene was much more localised than it is now.

There would have been considerable demand for at least some of the catalogue (admittedly not all). If Bulmer didn't want to publish them himself I find it hard to believe that one of the established labels (or the individual artists) would not have been willing to do so. The only conclusions I can come to are that either he asked too much for the recordings or was not willing to let them be published. Recently of course the cost of making CDs has come down considerably, and music can be released digitally for very little cost.

Whether or not it was his deliberate intention, the actual result was that a large body of recordings were in effect suppressed, in that they were not available to the majority of people who might wish to listen to them. This was not a good thing for the folk world, or for the artists whose works he controlled.

Neither does it seem to have been good for Bulmer. He could probably have made much more money from the recordings than he did. By handling things the way he did he destroyed his own reputation. What was it all for? I wonder whether he had some grudge against the folk world and this was some form of revenge, but if that were the case he would probably have refused to make any copies available at all. We'll probably never know.

The big question is what will now happen to them? I hope his executors appreciate both the commercial and artistic value of his catalogue and will now make it more widely avaiable. Ideally these should all now be released. The most iconic recordings (the Nic Jones stuff for example) could probably be profitably released on CD, the less commercially marketable ones could be very cheaply released online.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Mar 18 - 12:35 PM

The only conclusions I can come to are that either he asked too much for the recordings or was not willing to let them be published."
in the case of The New Mexboroughs, I approached him he would not sell, and did not publish, these are facts ,not the spouting of some anonymous uninformed guest.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 30 Mar 18 - 12:58 PM

Just been listening to a double CD, "The 3rd Irish Folk Festival In Concert". Wonderful music from Seamus Creagh and Jacky Daly, Treasa ni Mhiollain, "Clannad" and "De Dannan" with Andy Irvine. Released on CD by "Celtic Music" in 1988. Thanks, Dave [ RIP ].


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: Howard Jones
Date: 31 Mar 18 - 01:58 AM

Kenny, it is acknowledged that he issued a small number of recordings, but these were not very widely available, and seem often to have been CD-Rs run off as single orders. The criticism of him is that he sat on a large catalogue of recordings which he would not make widely available, depriving us of some wonderful music and the artists of income.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: FScott
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 04:10 PM

I used to deal with Bulmer as a U.S. retailer and have to tell you it was a nightmare. I would place orders that I wouldn't receive and would get no replies to my letters and faxes. I would place orders and receive a shipment but with no invoice. My request for an invoice would go unanswered and then I'd receive an invoice six months later. I visited him several times and he would let me pick out LPs that I wanted shipped to the USA but never received them. He invited me to stay at his house once and I ended up sleeping in a bed that had probably been slept in by a dozen or more people before me with no attempt to wash the sheets after any of the visits.
I do believe that he did some good for the British Isles folk scene but it was outweighed by the harm. Ask Dick Gaughan about his experiences with Bulmer when he recorded the Run Rig album or the many Leader/ Trailer artists who begged Bulmer to make their material available. Bob Fox and Stu Luckley re-recorded most of their two Black Crow albums for Fellside with almost the same arrangements because they couldn't get Bulmer to make their albums available.
With all due respect to the Bulmer defender I think that Dave Bulmer had some level of sociopathy going on. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't about making money.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: FScott
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 04:27 PM

In my last note I mentioned Dick Gaughan and Run Rig - I really meant to say Clan Alba.
As many of you know Dick has been very sick the past year and rerelease of his Trailer albums would be most welcome as it would be helpful towards his medical expenses.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: GUEST,Guest (non defender)
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:04 PM

Re the last posting.

It is unfortunate that Dick is ill. I do not know what he is suffering from.

The correspondent is obviously living in the land of the free!!!! where ill health can be expensive.

Such generally is not the case in the UK and unless Dick has opted for private treatment any medical expenses would be covered by the NHS.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:28 PM

Dick had a stroke. There was a crowd-funding thing to raise money to help him with rehab. In Scotland.
I haven't the slightest idea how he's doing now.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: GUEST,Captain Swing
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:31 PM

Dick Gaughan is self employed. Yes, he will have no medical expenses in the UK but he is unable to continue earning a living at the moment. If he has produced recorded work he should be allowed to sell it, particularly at this time. This is notwithstanding the countless hours he has given towards benefit gigs and support for others who were in need.


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 07:08 PM

It's tempting even after all these years to point to individuals such as Dick and Nic Jones who've encountered tough times, but let's not lose sight of the general principle we're arguing for that the music that people have made, ultimately, morally, belongs to them. Not saying that agents, producers, record companies and the rest shouldn't make a living, but the principle holds. I doubt whether either Dick or Nic would do anything other than roll their eyes to heaven if they sensed they were being used as bargaining chips to raise the emotional stakes in this argument. I know we've all done it ad nauseam in the past but I think we should keep it general if we want to work towards a good outcome. The chances of anyone with real influence reading this are slim, but, just in case, it's as well to remember that the guy we blame is dead but there are people who were around him that just might have better natures that we can appeal to. Anyway, I'd pay fifteen quid for an expertly-mastered and produced CD package of The Noah's Ark Trap and I guarantee that there are thousands like me!


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:55 AM

there is also Rosemary Hardman, who i believe is also not well


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:00 AM

I am just wondering what the executors are playing at now.

Are they unaware that they have been sitting on a chunk of intellectual property of, admittedly, moderate value? Or has the IP been assigned to an heir who is similarly unaware? Has the estate been wound up or is this ongoing?


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Subject: RE: Dave Bulmer (discussion)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 10:04 AM

Shame, it appears there are no official cultural heritage bodies that can be called upon to tactfully intervene...???


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