BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012

Subject: BBC RADIO 2 FOLK NOMINATIONS-2012
From: GUEST,Azoic
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:26 PM

LINK---------http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/events/folk-awards-2012/

Subject: RE: BBC RADIO 2 FOLK NOMINATIONS-2012
From: GUEST,Azoic
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:36 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/events/folk-awards-2012/                            cut and paste

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:41 PM

And members of the public will be admitted to this splendid jamboree in Salford simply by producing a note to the value of £10. They are queueing up as I write.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:41 PM

Delighted to see Pilgrims' Way nominated for the Horizon Award. They're a cracking young band who've been working really hard and are being very well received.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Banjiman
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:47 PM

Very happy for Will Pound......cracking harmonica player!

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:58 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/events/folk-awards-2012/#nominees

well dun to'em all!

But this year, I'm rooting for Sunjay brayne and Lucy of course!

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: theleveller
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 03:49 AM

Glad to see Lucy Ward and Blair Dunlop up there - they are the future of folk.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 04:05 AM

£12.00 actually £10.00 plus £2.00 booking fee, why don't they just say £12.00 FFS

Dave H

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 11:20 AM

Second the mentions of Lucy Ward; a lot of hard work is paying off.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,Rich A
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 11:26 AM

But no mention of Lady Maisery yet... Their CD as been on in our car more than any this summer. I must get the Pilgrims Way Cd, the other well deserved nom.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: folkandroots
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 11:32 AM

They are up for a very well deserved Horizon award though, along with three other equally deserving acts..

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Fran
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 12:19 PM

Hopefully this will propell Lucy to the next level and she will start getting the headline/main stage spots she deserves.

She works very hard, puts in the hours and gets herself seen, she constantly learns and writes new songs and keeps her sets different and fresh, at Shrewsbury she had three sets and kept all three different, and from what I heard this is not unusual for her, well done Lucy you deserve to win this!

It may not be a 'folk' song but her take on Pulp's common people is brilliant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNrfIRUElGU

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Noreen
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 01:15 PM

** Please note: This event is currently SOLD OUT **

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Tunesmith
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 02:11 PM

Great to see that "On Morecambe Bay" has been nominated in the song section.
Below is a link to the composers version and Christy Moore's take on the song.

Kevin Littlewood Youtube

Christy Moore Youtube link

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Mysha
Date: 17 Nov 11 - 02:56 PM

Hi,

Just to get this straight: 2012 isn't over yet; 2011 has not even ended. These awards are really the Folk Awards 2010/11?


So how do we nominate the Mudcat CD-s This is Us for the 2011/2012 awards, which will be called Folk Awards 2013? (-:

Bye,
                                                                                                                                    Mysha

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Silas
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 05:42 AM

I wonder who will get the lifetime achievement award this time? If the trend is for worn out sixties has beens who have made no contribution to folk music, then how about Cliff Richard?

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Johnny J
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 05:57 AM

Ah, the English Folk Awards.

At least, there's very few surprises in the list.

Why go to the trouble of breaking in new shoes when your old comfy slippers are at hand?

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 06:16 AM

I don't think Lucy and Blair Dunlop would be too happy being referred to as comfy old slippers!

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Banjiman
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 06:28 AM

The exceptions that prove the rule Pete (along with Will of course!).

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 02:32 PM

It's hardly surprising that acts who are at the top of their game keep getting nominated. If they were good last year and the year before that, the chances are they'll be good this year. There are still plenty of new young players appearing on the list, but once they've been nominated a couple of times they too join "the usual suspects".

Perhaps once someone has won they should be barred from being nomisated again, but that would be unfair on those performers who continue to be top of the league year after year.

It would be nice to see more information about the nominations. It seems to me that "Singer"/Musician of the Year" should reflect a special contribution during the year in question, rather than simply a high profile. It would be interesting to know what makes them the singer/musician of this particular year.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 06:17 PM

Well I have looked at the list and fail to understand some of the choices.

Some suggestions.

Harvey Andrews who has given so much to the folk world and will be retiring next year.

Real Time - One of the best bands I have come across. Wonderful singing from Judy Dinning who is having to go through cancer treatment again.

John Conolly - Yes Mr Fiddlers Green. Such a great entertainer.

Bill Whaley & Dave Fletcher - Great duo and funny.

Kathryn Roberts and Sean Lakeman. One of my favourite duo's. Always go home gobsmacked with their performance.

Martyn Wyndham-Read & Iris Bishop - so magic to watch them.

Blimey I could go on for ages, so sorry if I haven't mentioned somebody. The point I was trying to make is they are all excellent entertainers and please the audience for at least 90 minutes. Why are they not included?

I am sure that a lot of Uk mudcatters who can think of other very suitable performers, who don't get a mention.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 07:15 PM

Awards are awards. I wish someone from my label was up for one. They're not, but that's life. I say good luck to all those who are nominated. Life's to short to wish anyone anything but the best.

I bet you're happy to see young Mr Brayne there, Al. You've been championing his music for a while, so it must be pretty exciting to see him getting that recognition.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,Phil B
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 10:00 PM

I really do sincerely hope that Wiz Jones above all people is being considered for the Lifetime achievement award.There's no one else from the 'Old Guard' out there doing it to that standard with that enthusiasm. If ever there was someone who utterly deserved a bit of modest recognition it's him!!!

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Nov 11 - 11:05 PM

Well I've got to admit that I see Sunjay Brayne as the last best hope of the kind of folk music that I admire. namely the music inspired by a deep love of the steel strung acoustic guitar. No way of getting away from it - its an instrument with an American origin

It has been an incredibly fruitful field of endeavour for nusic in English folk clubs - producing McTell, Jansch, Renbourn, Carthy, Simpson and of course Nic Jones and Tony Rose.

But for years now the acoustic guitar has been just someone belting out the DADGAD shapes to a reel, or thrashing around Paul Weller style. Its been distressing because, the guitar so much more than that.

I taught Sunjay's Dad, and to some small extentI've been an influence on Sunjay. But all the while I've watched the practicioners of this wonderful music in the folk clubs, people like the late Roger Brooks and Jack Hudson decried and discriminated against.

To be honest, I have nothing but fear an trepidation for the future of that sublime talent Sanjay Brayne. I really think there are people, in this country who would rather see an important strand of folk music in this country die and wither upon the vine than give it its due.

One by one, i watched the oldsters die or drop out of the game. there are millions of wannabe Aly Blains, but to have the individualism qand degree of accomplishment to try to be the next ralph McTell- well that really is bloody rare. Almost an extinct breed.

The other thing aboutr Sanjay is - here is an Anglo Indian of great talent. The last Anglo Indians who could pick like that were Gerry Lockran and Hamish Imlach - back in the 60's and 70's. Time for another one methinks. Particularly if he can deliver like they did.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 02:06 PM

Sorry didn't mean to close the conversation down!

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Nov 11 - 05:44 PM

yes wizz jones, roy harris, loiusa killen

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Tunesmith
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 04:12 AM

Well, if Sunjay Brayne wins the Young Folk Award then the UK folk scene will be in trouble!
I've checked out Sunjay on Youtube and his material seems to be a 100% American!
Sure he's a fine guitar player, and he sings in tune, but the future of the English folk scene had better be in safer hands than his.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 06:54 AM

It never occurred to me that the R2 awards were specifically and exclusively about the English folk music repertoire. The nominations and winners would suggest that they aren't: that they are about celebrating folk musicians playing on/in the English (British?) folk scene.

After all, Martin Simpson's always played a varied repertoire of both English and American music.

Must admit, Sunjay's track and Martin Simpson's music were the only things that stood out for me amidst the snippets Mike Harding played on his show. They both happened, coincidentally, to be American material, but they just seemed to have a bit more life and vigour to them: all the rest sounded moribund to my ears.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: EmmaHartley
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 07:01 AM

http://theglamourcave.blogspot.com/2011/11/bbc-folk-awards-raising-blood-pressure.html

Comfy slippers or something more sinister? I have a friend who's a judge for the awards who thinks he's not supposed to let on...

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: EmmaHartley
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 07:02 AM

http://theglamourcave.blogspot.com/2011/11/bbc-folk-awards-raising-blood-pressure.html

Sorry. The blue clicky things didn't work first time I tried and then I got distracted...

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Will Fly
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 07:06 AM

This comment from GUEST, Phil B struck me:

There's no one else from the 'Old Guard' out there doing it to that standard with that enthusiasm.

I'm assuming by 'Old Guard', Phils's talking about performers of a certain age, from the 60s/'70s perhaps, who've been around the public folk scene. In my experience, there are - and always have been - excellent guitarists who may not have been in the public eye, but who have been playing away in pubs and clubs and restaurants for years with just the same skill, artistry and enthusiasm. I could name half a dozen great players from my neck of the woods in Sussex who it's a pleasure to listen to and to play with, and who very few people outside Sussex would probably know.

It's one of the reasons I've never bothered to get enthused about folk awards or any other awards. Good luck to the people that get them, by all means, and I hope their careers profit by them, but what the awards are representative of, I have no idea.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 07:16 AM

Always something is not right for the whingers, for me - I'll just stick to complaining about the hideous veggie only food and uncomfortable seating at the Green Note, where they record the artist off the mixing desk!!!

As to the Young Folk Award, I understand from Blair that the standard was very very high indeed, so to me, to get through to the final 4 is some achievement.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Will Fly
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 07:21 AM

Who's whingeing? Let the awards flourish, say I, even though I'm not particularly bothered about them. I'm merely pondering their representativeness of the actual musical scene as a whole - no harm in that.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Tunesmith
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 07:50 AM

I wouldn't be happy with a musician who just performs American material winning a ENGLISH folk award.
Lots of great folk artist perform American material but also have a great big foot planted firmly in British/Celtic music e.g. Martin Simpson.
If Sunjay Brayne's repertoire has no British/Celtic connection then I wouldn't be happy with him winning the award.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: evansakes
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 08:10 AM

Just to clarify that he's in contention to win something in the BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards....not an "ENGLISH folk award".

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Tunesmith
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 08:13 AM

Well, what is the criteria? Is it Great Britain and N.Ireland?

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 12:53 PM

I noticed from Mike H's snippets that John Tams is siinging in an American accent these days. And I thought - wot a good job John's in with the in crowd. otherwise, he'sd be getting the sort of grief I've had to put up with for the last thirty years.

Lets face it Tunesmith, you don't give a shit about English folk music - this is just about about defending the bailliewick of this little oligarchy of folksingers that you approve of.

Sunjay is English, but his Mum was Indian and his dad's half American. Why would his head be full of morris tunes and Sam Larner?

His imagined village isn't yours.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,arthuritus
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 12:54 PM

Jez lowe with 2 of the bad pennies were brilliant last night at faldingworth. They entrtained the audience with cracking music and humour.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 01:14 PM

Well I've got to admit that I see Sunjay Brayne as the last best hope of the kind of folk music that I admire. namely the music inspired by a deep love of the steel strung acoustic guitar. No way of getting away from it - its an instrument with an American origin

It has been an incredibly fruitful field of endeavour for nusic in English folk clubs - producing McTell, Jansch, Renbourn, Carthy, Simpson and of course Nic Jones and Tony Rose.


None of whom confined themselves to American material or sang in an American accent.

I'm not saying Sunjay Brayne's nomination is a problem - I'm not familiar with his work and I don't care about the awards anyway. But if you think about the greats of English folk music you won't find many who don't sing English material and don't use their own accent.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 01:20 PM

Sunjay doesn't confine himself to A

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 01:21 PM

E is a good key, so I've heard.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 01:35 PM

Sunjay doesn't confine himself to American material. his biggest single influence was probably the late Roger Brooks. Roger was from West Bridgford in Nottingham. He was championed in this country by Rosie Hardman, and played in folk festivals and folk clubs up and down England for many years. Roger's tour de force was a song about the paris riots called Street riot. Its an astonishing piece of guitar playing and currently Roger's ex girlfriend, Bournemouth based Nicky Haan and Sunjay are the only people I know who can play it.

As the traddy disease bit deeper and put more folk clubs out of business, Roger was forced to work on the continent more and eventually commuted between the pubs round St Ives in Cornwall and Norway.

If you'd be paying attention to real English folk music, i.e. the sort played by English people in English folk clubs you wouldn't need me to tell you - or require your taste to be underwritten by some daft 1954 definition.

And Pip you wouldn't have to look further than this site to find people slagging off ralph McTell for singing in an Americanised accent. And what you could say about Ralph - you could surely say about Renbourn and Bert.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Tunesmith
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 02:04 PM

Big Al Whittle, Oh dear, I can't be doing with this anything goes idea!
If I want blues I'll listen to Paul Jones - or go to a blues club.
If I want country music I'll listen To Whisperin' Bob - or go to a country music event.
But, if I want British/Celtic folk music - and it's American off-shoots - I'll go a folk music club.
I like the blues as much as lots of folkies - and have performed my fair share of them, and I happy for them to have a place in British folk clubs ( but by now they should have developed a decidedly British feel to them) along with odd pop song etc.
However, I wouldn't be happy to see a blues category - or anything like it - in the BBC Folk Awards.
And, I certainly don't like American accents being used by British/Irish performers.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: johncharles
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 03:04 PM

There are other good blues players. One of my favourites is Tom Attah
he has a real feel for the music.
tom attah
john

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 03:09 PM

Let me tell you something Tunesmith. Sunjay Brayne, on his own intiative, was running a website in appreciation of the late gerry Lockran (like himself an Anglo Indian folk artist working in English folkclubs) by the time he was thirteen. sanjay was too young to have seen Gerry live, but Lockran's music inspired him.

Sanjay is a quite brilliant musician because he is talented and he has the talent that drives him every day to seek out more about his craft and work hard at it. Everyone who sees him finds his creativity very exciting. His vision is very individual - I can't influence him nowadays.

Only just eigghteen years of age, he will be attracting the sort of media interest that will fill your folk club if you book him.

And what will you have to pass onto the young people that come to your club in his wake - other than the cold arrogance and dismissiveness that you seem so adept at.

Its not anything goes - its the English folk guitarists. A British phenomenon. Eric Roche, Steve Tilston, Ken Nicol, Davy Graham, Bert Jansch, by adoption Stefan Grossman, Martin Carthy, Steve Hicks, and now Sanjay Brayne.......the most exciting aspect of the folk revival for many people. If you don't dig it, its your loss.

But pretending you know about folk music without knowing about Britain's great folk guitarists is a bit like saying you know about the history of Manchester United when you've never heard of Georgie Best.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 04:22 PM

Tunesmith, Big Al is a very knowledgable person and knows what he is talking about. If Al is recommending him, I would listen.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 04:32 PM

Judging from the clip on his website, Sunjay is certainly a talented guitarist. I wish he'd decide whether to sing in an English or American accent - it appears to waver between the two - but he no doubt deserves his place on the list, if you take a broad view of what folk music encompasses.

But Al, turn it down, please - your enthusiasm for him is understandable but your antagonistic attitude is doing him no favours. I am having to force myself to listen to him objectively rather than follow my instinctive counter-reaction to your comments.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 04:52 PM

Are any of the four finalists besides Blair gigging? I know that Blair certainly is.

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 05:01 PM

Yes, and I hear he charges hundreds of thousands of pounds per appearance.



(Oh alright, not THAT Blair...)

Subject: RE: BBC Radio 2 Folk Nominations - 2012
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 05:58 PM

I appreciate I'm doing Sanjay no favours. As my Dad used to say - we Whittles, we can't disagree with someone without seeming to argue - its a bad personal fault.

And I'm sorry if I'm discourteous - I just didn't like to think of Sanjay's talents being peremptorily dismissed out of bloody minded predjudice. Just seen too much of it in the past and present - can't bear to think the children of the future having to tolerate it.

Yes I think Sanjay is gigging. Perhaps as well to wait a few weeks. BBC TV are shooting a documentary about him next week, I believe Acoustic magazine are doing an article. Perhaps when a few more people have heard of him you will have more chance of getting some people into your club to check him out.
http://www.sunjaybrayne.com/