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Subject: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: gnu
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 01:28 PM

For the full hour, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 01:31 PM

Oh, BOY!!! ;-) Should be interesting. What I'm waiting for, though, is when Chongo gets on Oprah.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: gnu
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 01:50 PM

Steadman would kick his ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 01:56 PM

Let me think for a while - who do I care less about, Oprah or Sarah? Sarah, I guess...Oprah seems to be a bunch more intelligent.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 02:21 PM

gnu--according to Larry King, it's 'full ow-wah'.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Alice
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 02:36 PM

good one, art
;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: kendall
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 03:02 PM

Palin knows that Opra supported Obama; I wonder if she has a list of complaints already made up to spew later?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 03:30 PM

I think Palin could be interesting for a time if she talked about her life. I can't imagine her having much of political argument in her beyond blandishments and mission statements. I've thought of reading her book - while in the bookstore.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 03:37 PM

Chongo could turn Stedmam into chopped liver in 10 seconds and not even work up a sweat.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 03:53 PM

You betcha!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 04:36 PM

Why should anyone with even a pretension to intelligence give two $hit$ about anything Palin could possibly have to say?

This is the New Face of the "Grand Old Party" - the brain dead leading the mindless.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 04:55 PM

The clever ones, are the dangerous ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 05:40 PM

ake, does that statement imply that you prefer or admire only the stupid ones?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 06:15 PM

Well, it's true that a clever scoundrel is more dangerous than a stupid one under most circumstances. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: kendall
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 08:00 PM

I watched the whole thing and all I saw/heard was the same old crap. She still cant name anything she reads. Apparently, the McCain gang is hitting back. Should be interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 08:10 PM

Beware of stupid people in groups.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Peter T.
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 08:17 PM

or singly.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Alice
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 08:35 PM

I wonder if the publisher deliberately did not fact check the book in order to have even more controversy/publicity to sell it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Alice
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 08:43 PM

abc news Fact Checking Palin's book


"The factual errors from the 400-page book were compiled mostly by the Associated Press"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 09:30 PM

Unfortunately, the book will last on shelves and the fact checkers will recede into dim memory, the print will be recycled into more brown paper or pixels.

Maybe someone will pay to have correctionis glued into the bindings!

MoveOn-dot-org, I'm thinking you have the money to make this happen!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 09:50 PM

*grin* Palin is not so dumb that she doesn't see a gold mine available by just continuing to be controversial.

She quit as governor in order to be ON this circuit. She knows she is never gonna be president...or much of anything above dogcatcher.... but idiots will still pay her big $$$$ to show up and yammer....and they book will make her more $$$$$...already has.

If looking like a fool pays that well, I shoulda tried it when I was younger.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Alice
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 10:04 PM

Yes, but could you look like a beauty queen as well?? LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 10:07 PM

well... if I combed my hair different....

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Alice
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 10:15 PM

And maybe get one of those bump-it things to make the crown of it rise up. CLICK

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: EBarnacle
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 10:16 PM

What makes her very dangerous is that she has allies. She is interested in power and does not particularly care how many lies and manipulations she has to effect in order to get it. I am sure she is a large part of the reason that McCain lost.

As one on the circuit and being boosted by the talk radio extremists she will be a spokesmouth as long as she is entertaining and useful.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 10:27 PM

She seems to lack a 'feel' for words. At one point she speaks of someone "turning down the nose" at her, instead of speaking, as we generally do, in opposite terms.

But the image that made me laugh out loud: "Keep your powder dry, read the book, and enjoy it! Lots of great stories about my family, Alaska, and the incredible honor it was to run alongside Senator John McCain."

Generally we speak of 'standing beside' or even perhaps 'running beside' but "running alongside" is very visual. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 10:48 PM

It is extremely visual, Ebbie, and that's the way Sarah Palin is. When your favorite hobby is trekking through the vast and imponderable wilderness solitudes of Alaska and drawing a bead on a bull moose at an almost inconceivable distance and bringing down the herbivorous antediluvian beast with one shot to the brain, you think visually. This is what makes her so damnably attractive. Those bumpits are really cool too. There are librarians who would kill to have Sarah Palin's sex appeal, her hair, and her visual thinking abilities. You are underguesstimating what Sarah can do if given the chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 11:09 PM

You give her altogether too much credit, Little Hawk. Not to point out that you are being sexist and dismissive in regard to the lowly librarian. Frankly, I would far rather share a domicile with a librarian, who can be presumed to have a working brain, than with someone who is "so damnably attractive". Men. You know why men prefer pretty women to smart women? Because they can see better than they can think.

And what are 'bumpits'?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 09 - 11:18 PM

Ebbie...I'm talking tongue-in-cheek in that post fer chrissake! ;-)

A "bumpit" is the thing that you put under your hair at the crown of the head in order to puff it up some. Scroll up to Alice's post at 16 Nov 09 - 10:15 PM (above) and you will find a link to the explanation of how the bumpit works. It looks to me from Sarah's hairdo that she is using one.

If it's any comfort, I've always preferred smart women to those not so smart. It helps if they're attractive too, of course...but they've got to be smart or I'm simply not interested.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 12:07 AM

Somewhere, during Keith Olbermann's comments on this, today, he mentioned her use of the phrase "lock and load." I can't remember it exactly, but, as Keith said, it seemed an unfortunate use of words in light of what just happened at Ft. Hood. She quoted her dad in saying "she's not retreating, she's reloading!"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 01:14 AM

Hey, LH, I knew that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 01:35 AM

Okay. ;-) Thought you might...but I wasn't quite sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 02:57 AM

Ebbie:"... Men. You know why men prefer pretty women to smart women?"

Gosh, and all this time I thought men preferred blonds...but come to think of it, you might be right, Hillary is blond, but pretty ugly,..and ...oh, I won't say it!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 03:03 AM

'Tain't necessarily so, GfS. I usually tend to fixate more on brunettes for some reason. Not always....but more often than not.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Smedley
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 03:29 AM

Speaking from the other side of the Atlantic, if there is one person who symbolises everything that scares lots of us about the USA, it is Palin. The thought that she could be anywhere near a position of serious power is utterly terrifying.

This is not intended to be an attack on all Americans, as plenty of you feel that way about her too; but it's the ones that don't see her as a demented, small-minded nut-job who are the worry.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: kendall
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 06:42 AM

She will never be anything more than what she is now. Those right wingnuts just don't have the base and without the thinking class they go nowhere. Recent polls indicate that those who now admit being republicans are less than 20%.
Let's face it, the old republican party that I used to vote for, has been taken over by neo cons. The lunatic fringe.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 09:50 AM

"Why should anyone with....?"    Ah yes, one of Mudcat's favorite voices of tolerance and reason--almost climbing out of the gutter.

When Mudcatters stop whistling in the dark and start thinking about the campaign system as it now is, they may realize it's not as simple as pictured above.

In an excerpt from another book coming out at the same time as dear Sarah's ghostwritten screed, it 's made clear. The other book is Going Rouge: An American Nightmare, and is basically columns etc from those who don't exactly support Sarah. Quote by the "Nation" DC editor:   There are two kinds of politics...there's politics of the limbic system, the sub-rational emotional part of the brain..."

Sorry, Mudcatters, not only do people who respond to the limbic system vote, they in fact tend to dominate primaries--on both the Right and the Left.

And Sarah's issues--gun rights and "family values" are tailor-made for this on the Right.

As I've said before, 2012 hinges on two things.   If there is a hot war going on, that will be the basis of the vote.   If not, the economy will tell the tale.   If the economy has not substantially recovered from the current 10% unemployment, President Obama will be out, in favor of some Republican.

It could easily be Sarah.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 01:19 PM

Yes, Ron, an election always hinges on those two things, in that order. And as you say, it could be Sarah.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: gnu
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 03:00 PM

I know I will take flak, but, she sure did a lot better job on the Oprah show than I have seen in the past. Of course, that isn't saying much and I still don't see her as anywhere near qualified. And... well, no need to comment any further.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 04:06 PM

There is a certain mentality the phrase "knee-jerk" was invented for. Sarah Palin parrots certain slogans and positions....about God and guns and babies and 'big government' and....etc., so....because she WAS on the ticket in 2008 and many Republicans voted for that ticket, they are now reluctant to admit what a disaster it was. (well...many are)
   Some will forever profess to admire her 'spunkiness' and 'independence' and 'character', and will assert that she "would have done fine" if elected....whether they really believe it or not. They simply need something to hold onto after a disastrous election.
That said, when 2012 rolls around, they will not make her the candidate....and as I said, I don't believe SHE wants to be there. She can make more money and avoid those awkward interviews by just playing the game she's playing.

When the "knee-jerk" conservatives claim to admire her bravery and positions, they are showing that they are blind to just how shallow the woman is...and if they really believe, they are showing just how shallow THEY are.

("Bill...that's just YOUR opinion"!)

*grin*...no...it seems to be the opinion of most of McCain's staffers, also.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 04:10 PM

Are you getting paranoid, Bill? ;-) There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 04:24 PM

McCain was facing a real problem in that election, I think. I mean, look, if he'd run with a chimp as running mate, the chimp would have made McCain look like an irrational and grouchy old man, a political dinosaur way past his prime (if he ever had one), and his staffers would have been quite concerned. See what I'm sayin'?

Anyway, the collapsing economy torpedoe'd any chance McCain ever had. Sarah Palin was just additional entertainment on the side at that point.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 05:10 PM

'McCain was facing a real problem in that election, I think. I mean, look, if he'd run with a chimp as running mate, the chimp would have made McCain look like an irrational and grouchy old man, a political dinosaur way past his prime (if he ever had one), and his staffers would have been quite concerned. See what I'm sayin'? "


You betcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 07:00 PM

..there's politics of the limbic system, the sub-rational emotional part of the brain...

How right you are Simple Seeker! Or rather, how right your anonymous editor is.

Which begs the question whether the United States should be governed by the sub-rational.

And when- if ever- the Republican Party decides its future may not lie in Being the party of the sub-rational.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 09:33 AM

There is nothing wrong with emotion.   In fact if there is no emotion in the voter, it's likely his or her candidate will be defeated.   It could easily be argued that Hillary's defeat in the primary was due to this.   Anybody who thinks there was no emotion involved in supporting Obama has never been to a rally for him, as I did..   Emotion makes the supporter go the extra mile. It certainly did for me--I supported Obama financially--and early-- and made phone calls for him to complete strangers---neither of which I had ever done before. And EMILY--is also true--Early Money Is Like Yeast.

And the top reason Hillary did not get comparable support to that of Obama is also clear--she tried too hard for a reasoned, moderate approach to an extremely visceral issue--the war in Iraq.   Her "reasoned approach" seemed to us Obama supporters as blatant calculation.   She killed her own candidacy by never being willing to admit she was wrong in supporting the 2003 invasion. So she drove all the people who felt both intellectually--and, crucially, emotionally-- that the US should pull troops out of Iraq--away from her. And she thereby pushed their enthusiasm--and their money-- also away.

So don't underestimate Sarah.   Especially since she has also, it seems, learned Obama's lesson about use of the Internet.   She supposedly has close to a million "friends" on Facebook---and they are directed to her PAC to give money.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 09:39 AM

And McCain also did not rouse much emotion in his listeners.    It seems clear to me that from the McCain perspective Sarah was not in fact a liability--she brought the emotional support he needed. And the election was far closer than the numbers indicated.   What killed McCain's candidacy was not Sarah, but the perception--at precisely the peak of a financial crisis--that he was not only clueless about it, but would not be a steady hand at the tiller.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 09:53 AM

And the editor is not "anonymous".    He is the DC editor for "Nation" magazine. As I said.   Anybody who reads carefully and who cares to find his name can easily do so.

What a candidate needs is both the intellectual and the emotional aspect. That is what Obama got from a huge number of his supporters--including me.

My main point--and it's my point, not the point of the Nation's editor in the quote I found-- is that in the primaries, it's the emotional which tends to dominate. It's true believers--on any part of the political spectrum--which are the most valuable to the candidate. Especially early. Since they are willing to go all out for the candidate, when he or she most needs it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 10:49 AM

Excellent points, Ron. I think you're dead right.

"What a candidate needs is both the intellectual and the emotional aspect." Yessiree.

And..." in the primaries, it's the emotional which tends to dominate. It's true believers--on any part of the political spectrum--which are the most valuable to the candidate. Especially early. Since they are willing to go all out for the candidate, when he or she most needs it."

Obama was an extremely effective campaigner on both the intellectual and the emotional counts. I found Kucinich to be the finest campaigner in an intellectual sense...that is, he was saying what made the most sense to me...but he was too far outside the mainstream power structure to ever have a chance, and he also could not match Obama's mastery of the emotional pitch...nor could he get the kind of funding Obama did.

Sarah Palin is a very good emotional campaigner. That counts for a lot in an election. She comes up short on the intellectual side...unless you agree with her, of course! ;-) And those who support her do.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 10:54 AM

"That's what Obama got...".   And also what he gave.   The emotional--by being who he was. And the intellectual--by a calm, reasoned approach to issues. Except the Iraq war, where he seemed to share the gut-level dislike of it-- especially its origins-- that we had.

He communicated both of these in speeches--unforgettable events to anybody who was there.   And to a far greater extent, and more reliably, than either Hillary or McCain did.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show today
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 11:05 AM

And to say the Republican party is the party of the sub-rational is also--unsurprisingly, considering the source--an absurdly simplistic statement.   The WSJ editors supported Sarah right from the start and continue to do so. If anybody seriously thinks their support is not based on calculation that she promotes the interests of Wall St., that person needs to start doing some reading.