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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Vic Smith Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:43 AM Interesting.....Could I assure those reading the above posting that I have not been on hallucinatory drugs and that it looked perfectly normal when I checked it in preview mode. Could Mudcat administrators offer an explanation for this? Better still, could they delete it and allow me to post it again |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Vic Smith Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:47 AM I'll try again With a heavy heart, with apologies to other users of this forum, and with the promise that this will positively my last posting to this thread, allow me to deal with the points made in the latest posting to this thread Dick Miles. Again, I do not wish to raise the temperature of the debate to the level of insult, so I will endeavour to be factual. Dick's posting is a defence of his long-term friend, Joe Stead. That is admirable. I have probably known Joe longer than Dick; I met him in 1964 when I was at college in South-East London and he came each week to have banjo lessons from a fellow student that I shared with. I liked Joe, went to folk clubs with him, and have always wished him well. I still send him my folk club circular and he still sends me his Ramblings. I have no wish to think badly of an old friend but some of his statements in recent Ramblings have caused me concern and the one that I have quoted above I would consider indefensible as I have already stated. Now Dick says:- I think you have misinterpreted what he is trying to say,which is that there could be a problem in his area which needs to be adressed. I would really like to believe that you are right, Dick. I invited you above to put my quotation from Joe in a better light by placing it in a different context. You have not done this but merely repeat the accusation that I have "misinterpreted" Joe. Now, sadly, I must add further evidence of what I take to be Joe Stead's intention in making the statement which I quoted from him above. Dick, you will have seen this, because like me, he receives Joe's Ramblings. Below the statement that I quoted, Joe goes on to say in the same email please do take a snifty at …….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU What is your opinion of that video that Joe advocates, Dick? To your mind does that that video represent a fair and balanced look the world or does it strike you as being the rantings of an extreme white supremacist group? Or is this another example of me being "selective" or "misrepresenting" Joe? That is the main thrust of my concerns but just for the record. Dick says "it is a complete over reaction to call him a racist,and to compare him to Bernard Manning ….And you will be able to quote where I have made this comparison. Dick says "do you have more knowledge of the local situation than him" No, Dick, like most of us, I only know my own local situation. I do know, however, that I get on very well with the people whose garden backs on to mine, and they – to use one of Joe's phrases – run a corner shop. Like you, Dick, I live in a different country from the one that I was born in. I wish that everyone that moves to England is made as welcome here as I was. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Folknacious Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:48 AM Roberto Groan. Yes, I also fell for that old question "do you known that the word 'gullible' isn't in the dictionary?" |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: manitas_at_work Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:01 AM Don't make too much of Muslim children attending Church of England schools - they probably have no other choice. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 15 Jun 09 - 08:06 AM Vic. I was not aware that Joe had advocated that video. yes, I agree with you, the video, is the rantings of white Racists. however to counter this sort of nonsense,it is important to make the points I have made[which I hope Joe read]about the importance of INTEGRATION. Since you brought these points up,and attempted to say that I thought this was funny,may I make it clear that what I find amusing in Joes ramblings,are his funnies,an example of which I gave earlier. BAZ parkes,compared him to Bernard Manning,you lumped his humour along with Les Dawson. none of the quotes Joe gave in his funnies,were by either of these Comedians,but included quotes from Groucho Marx and Oscar Wilde. as far as I am concerned their humour[which Joe obviously appreciates] [as I do] has nothing in common with Manning or Dawson. and as I have said I find those quotes much funnier than Lawrence Heath,Borfolk[imo] was vaguely amusing about 20 years ago,but is now as predictable[imo] as three blind mice. but each to their own,so have fun with Lawrence. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Vic Smith Date: 15 Jun 09 - 01:52 PM OK, I said that I would not post here again, but I just couldn't resist this one. All those of you who have bought your early tickets for Boring Folk Day has a look at this...... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/borodance/magic-bus.jpg .... and start worrying. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,Chris Murray Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:26 PM Brilliant! |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,CupOfTea, at work, no cookies Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:29 PM I can't believe nobody mentioned that Boring folk has a ready made theme song, but the wryly witty and velvet voiced Andrew Calhoun of Chicago: FOLKSINGERS ARE BORING (Andrew Calhoun) Nobody comes to the coffeehouse, Nobody comes to the coffeehouse, Nobody comes to the coffeehouse, Folksingers are boring. Boring, boring, boring, so boring, Nobody comes to the coffeehouse, Folksingers are boring. First they start some silly song, Try to make you sing along, Always drag it out too long: Folksingers are boring. First they sing about a train, Then they sing another song about a train, Then they sing a song about a train: Folksingers are boring. Folksingers have flabby buns, They all play the same bass runs, They're against the private ownership of handguns: Folksingers are boring. Folksingers are born to lose, They wear old and ratty shoes, Then they try to sing the blues: Then they're really boring. Give us salsa, give us soul, Give us good old rock and roll, Pass the bong and pass the bowl Folksingers are boring. @music @folkmusic Copyright Andrew Calhoun, 1984 filename[ FLKSNGBR BR |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Surreysinger Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:54 PM I've just had a message from Frank who advised me that he has had to post a message up on sTroof forum. It seems that his visitor counter was allied to a website that some had thought was part of the Boring universe. Probably best to see his messages today at sTroof forum alternative universe link I believe that Vic may already have made his way through the warp to visit it, judging from the link he has already provided. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: M.Ted Date: 15 Jun 09 - 07:54 PM I must tell you that I am both entertained and amused by all this--and the Mud-e-Ceilidh site is funny too. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,QWERTY Date: 16 Jun 09 - 03:24 AM I count 6 plays on 'boring' in FOLKSINGERS ARE BORING - 36 if you include the choruses. Now THAT'S boring. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,Maurice Ring Date: 16 Jun 09 - 04:13 AM I notice the women's morris dancers are Knots o' Boring! :-) |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 16 Jun 09 - 04:30 AM Vic. I would suggest that a positive action,would be for those who seriously want to fight fascism,to rate this video 5 stars. it is a response to Muslim demographics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pnpJU31HM0&feature=related . apologies for interrupting your humour.,with something so trivial. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 16 Jun 09 - 05:51 AM Vic,Here was THE WHOLE [WITHOUT YOUR EDITING]of JOES statement on the subject of Muslims.before anyone else calls Joe a racist.please read what he said in its entirety. Joe Stead – The Ramblings of an old Codger – Volume 105 – June 2009 I suppose there are some honest politicians out there somewhere; but I would guess not an awful lot and the recent spate of discoveries that the majority of our Members of Parliament are on the make in a dishonest fashion begs the question; are they dishonest before they enter parliament or does the job simply encourage it? I sometimes wonder (when I've got time to waste) just how politicians think, or indeed if they think at all. Here in Sowerby Bridge the open market has moved home and the vacated area made a perfect car park thus alleviating and lessening car parking problems throughout the town. What did Calderdale Council do? They spent a few thousand of our tax payer's pounds erecting a huge metal fence around the site. It will eventually be a new swimming pool. But in the meantime it's an empty space that could have been used to better effect. Barmpots the lot. So here we are every 5 years or so voting a bunch of partly intelligent no-hopers into office on huge salaries and they find ways of increasing their income in an illegal fashion. Did they not think the house of cards would one day come tumbling down? Obviously not! So they can't be that bright! Just how the electorate will respond remains to be seen. I have a huge fear that there will be a swing to the right and the BNP will benefit. One of the problems about the BNP (other than them being fascists of course) is that at times they quote facts that can only be true; which will attract voters from both Labour and Conservative who would otherwise stay faithful to the main party's. For example – if Muslims and non-Muslims continue to breed at the present rate then the Muslim population will eventually outstrip the non-Muslim population in Great Britain. Already at my wife's old school (a Church of England school please note) the Muslim intake of children now outstrips the non-Muslim children and as a consequence my grand-daughter Jasmine has more Muslims in her class than non Muslim; and I'm wondering, if this trend continues, just what are we going to do with all the forthcoming taxi drivers, Asian restaurateurs and corner shops? But having already composed and typed the above I was today by coincidence sent the following U Tube link that I feel we should all have a look at. Over 8 million people have viewed it already and the statistics make chilling reading if, like me, you are of non-Muslim persuasion. And whilst I am prepared to believe that the piece is simply white non-Muslim propaganda and scare mongering to boot; it should still be taken seriously insofar as my own experiences here in Halifax (the fact that we have a Church of England school where Muslims outnumber non Muslims) prove that the piece has substance. Your comments would be warmly welcomed. So please do take a snifty at …….. Vic Smith,carefully left out part of Joes letter,thus deliberately portraying Joe in a worse light. why? have you attempted to smear Joe Stead,by selectively editing his letter, |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,Play.Ford Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:19 AM Words will be said on E-Ceilidh Harrumph! |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Vic Smith Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:21 AM Dick, Thank you for posting the link to A response to: Muslim Demographics. It is a great counter argument to the nonsense that Joe Stead was advocating in the link from his "Ramblings". (interestingly the most recent reaction to this video as I write this is from HoffBridge which may be of interest to Richard Bridge amongst others.) Thank you also for posting the context of the comment from Joe. But answer me two things:- 1] Do you really think the entire quote shows Joe in a better light? You will have to explain how it makes his comments about Muslims more defensible. At the moment, I fail to see this. 2] Why would anyone want to defend a piece of writing that advocates a video that - in Dick Miles' description - is "the rantings of white Racists." |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Ruth Archer Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:27 AM I've read it. Despite its decrying of the BNP, it's racist. Anyone who is daft enough to believe in the twisted statistics produced by white supremacists, including the BNP, really wants a word with themselves. The BNP talk about whites in Britain being a minority in just a few decades. The sorts of headlines the scream out from their propaganda would lead you to believe that Britain must be at least 40, maybe 45% non-white at this point. Yet what is the reality? Britain is 92% white. Oooh, lock up your daughters! The dark tide of immigration is coming to flood us all! Yes, certain parts of the country experience more immigration than others, but using such anecdotal situations as the one described as evidence of a wide-reaching "problem" is very dangerous indeed. My daughter's school of 1200, for example, has about a dozen non-white students from what I can tell. Anyone who perpetuates this kind of propaganda really wants to seriously think about their motivation for doing so. "I hate the BNP, but..." is as transparent a statement as "I'm not racist, but..." "I'm wondering, if this trend continues, just what are we going to do with all the forthcoming taxi drivers, Asian restaurateurs and corner shops?" is a racist quip no matter how you slice it. In fact, statistically the children of Asian immigrants are far more likely to do well at school and attend university, because their communities value and support the education of their children - so your friend might be better off asking what we are going to do with all those doctors, pharmacists and solicitors. What all this has to do with the Boring Folk Day I have no idea, but life is rather alarmingly imitating art. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,Silas Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:46 AM Ruth is spot on , agree with every word. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:57 AM But having already composed and typed the above I was today by coincidence sent the following U Tube link that I feel we should all have a look at. Over 8 million people have viewed it already and the statistics make chilling reading if, like me, you are of non-Muslim persuasion. And whilst I am prepared to believe that the piece is simply white non-Muslim propaganda and scare mongering to boot; it should still be taken seriously insofar as my own experiences here in Halifax (the fact that we have a Church of England school where Muslims outnumber non Muslims) prove that the piece has substance. Your comments would be warmly welcomed. So please do take a snifty at …….. this[which VIC deliberately left out] in my opinion,does alter how you have attempted to portray Joe. Ruth, Vic ,he is not saying,that he believes the statistics,he is saying that they are taking a fact and exaggerating it. if you have stastics that prove that in England,that Muslim familes,ARE smaller or the same, or marginally larger ,it is important to find them ,and put them up here,so that the truth can be seen. if anyone here does not believe that unless we attempt to encourage integration, England could have serious racial problems,are burying their heads in the sand. I do not believe that Joe thinks immigrants should be sent out of the country,[he doe not say that , but that is what the BNP say]. Joe, poses a question that needs to be adressed,what does England do with an increasing Asian population,the answer in my opinion is for the government to encourage the English people and the immigrants themselves to integrate. if England does not have an increasing population of Asians,facts anf figures need to be produced to counter this claim. ,Vic, what you have done to Joe,by editing important parts of his letter,is unfair and a smear.,you quoted parts of his letter out of context,that is a fact. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Folknacious Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:11 AM Whisper . . . Shouldn't all this be in the FAF thread |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Vic Smith Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:11 AM Dick said:- " Over 8 million people have viewed it already and the statistics make chilling reading if, like me, you are of non-Muslim persuasion." Please, please be careful, Dick. You are now getting into dangerous territory yourself. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Folknacious Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:15 AM Whisper again . . . shouldn't all this be on the FAF thread, or should this one now be retitled Boring All Day? Dick'n'Vic please take this somewhere else where it belongs!! |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:21 AM Vic, As I read it that is what Joe said and Dick quoted. Now you have quoted it as well! |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:25 AM here is one suggestion that I think would use music in a progressive way. the English government should subsidise English /Asian music clubs, which have a booking policy of equally shared TRADITIONAL OR CONTEMPORARY music,from English and Asian backgrounds. music can be a great way of breaking down barriers. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,Silas Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:30 AM "here is one suggestion that I think would use music in a progressive way. the English government should subsidise English /Asian music clubs, which have a booking policy of equally shared TRADITIONAL OR CONTEMPORARY music,from English and Asian backgrounds. music can be a great way of breaking down barriers. " Completely bonkers. Are you being serious? |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Vic Smith Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:30 AM Black belt caterpillar wrestler wrote:- "Now you have quoted it as well! " Sorry - you are entirely right. I took to be something that Dick said because he does not use quotation marks, italics etc. Apologies to Dick over that one as well. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: melodeonboy Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:56 AM "Whisper again . . . shouldn't all this be on the FAF thread, or should this one now be retitled Boring All Day? Dick'n'Vic please take this somewhere else where it belongs!!" Yes, indeed! Let's get back to frothing tankards! Fol-de-rol-di-da! |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,dillie the oast ouse opper Date: 16 Jun 09 - 09:10 AM I am stunned by all of this.... and I agree with melodeon boy above :0) x |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Jun 09 - 09:28 AM I am stunted by all this as well. But the Boring folk day looks just my cup of traditional Darjeeling and where do I go for a Mud-e-celidh? DeG |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Surreysinger Date: 16 Jun 09 - 10:01 AM David .... you need to go to BARN DANCE - 8.00pm - 11.00pm at Boring-On-Thames Church Hall, with the Ardent Ceilidh Boys and Angie Whirlsmania ... that should be Mud-e-ceilidh enough for you, shouldn't it??? |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Surreysinger Date: 16 Jun 09 - 10:01 AM Sorry - should have said - that's part of the Boring Folk Day which Frank is arranging... |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Leadfingers Date: 16 Jun 09 - 04:29 PM But where do we buy tickets ?? |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 16 Jun 09 - 05:09 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM6UdvpaLcc&feature=related here is something that is much less funny than borfolk. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Folknacious Date: 16 Jun 09 - 05:23 PM something that is much less funny than borfolk buzzz buzzz bonnety buzzzz |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Surreysinger Date: 16 Jun 09 - 06:41 PM Dick - that certainly is not only less funny than Borfolk, it's not funny at all. I've never found acts that mock someone's disability to be in the least amusing. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 17 Jun 09 - 08:33 AM I agree Surrey singer. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Scotsman Over The Border Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:18 AM So what was the point in posting that link then, Captain Birdseye? I had a bad stutter until my early/mid twenties. I suffered the humiliation of being mocked and imitated throughout school, and then, even worse, the patronising sympathy of others when they grew up enough to realise that my speech impediment didn't make me 'fair game'. It saddens me to see that some don't even grow up that much. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,Silas Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:39 AM Well, unfortunate as it is, people with disabilities and afflictions have always been at the mercy of 'comedians', songwriters and performers. Cosmotheka used to sing a song called 'Only come down for the day' that managed to encompass stuttering, diasblement and mental illnes. Can but say that it was an incredibly funny song though, and, as Al Sealy used to say "We make a point of not apologising for any of the material that we do, no matter how offensive it is - sorry about that, but there we are" Most of us have something that someone can take the piss out of, wether it be ginger hair, being fat,, short, tall,bald, deaf, short sighted etc. Perhaps we should be slightly less sensitive. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Scotsman Over The Border Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:46 AM "Perhaps we should be slightly less sensitive. " Replace the 'disability' with race. Do you still think peole should be less sensitive? What's the difference? It's that 'otherness' that makes some target others by way of their "humour". Humour that needs a victim is not humour, it's an ignorant cheap shot, and so is being an appologist for it. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,Silas Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:52 AM Hmmm... we should really try to be a little less senstive. There is almost no such thing as victimless humour and trying to play the race card is pathetic. I have been and still am ridiculed for the appearance of a certain part of my anatomy (!), just grow up and get over it. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Scotsman Over The Border Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:57 AM Silas, Good for you, you've moved on. That does not give you the right to belittle what others go through. I'm not speaking about myself, I'm a big boy and can look after myself, I'm talking about the kids going through what I did. I am not playing the race card, I asked what the difference between taking the piss out of someone's disability and someone's race is. You said that was pathetic, I already intimated what I think of sympathy in these circumstances, but I'd still like to know what the difference is. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,Silas Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:02 AM Sadly, kids are very cruel and no matter what you do, there will always be bullying to some degree. The victim does not need to have any form of 'difference', just having an unusual name is enough. They usually come through OK though. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:27 AM Scotsman,it illustrates this point,there are many on mudcat with different senses of humour. Leadfingers,put that clip up originally[on a different mudcat thread]. I believe in tolerance,as regarding humour,I do not find it funny,but Leadfingers presumably does[I am prepared to live and let live]. I do not find Lawrences humour funny,although it is not offensive,in the same way,as that clip is. I have a right to say that I do not find something funny,without being attacked,as I have been on this forum in the past[by guestRalphie],perhaps the same tolerance can be shown to me as I extend towars Leadfingers. I do not find Lawrence funny[he does not seem to have progressed from thirty years ago],neither do I find being called big ed amusing,as I am sure you Scotsman over the border would either.Ihave no objection to childish anagrams ,but I do object to the inference of big ed .I will now let you carry on with your carry on up the folk world. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Scotsman Over The Border Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:27 AM "Sadly, kids are very cruel and no matter what you do, there will always be bullying to some degree. The victim does not need to have any form of 'difference', just having an unusual name is enough. They usually come through OK though" Well chidren's charities and the education authorities see things differently. There is a 'zero tolerence' policy to bullying at the schools my children go to, as there is Nationwide. This is not a comment on the efficacy of that policy, I don't know how well it works, but I've seen it work really well with a friend's child. I don't know where you are Silas, but have you come across Bill Bailey or Harry Hill? They don't need victims for their humour, so victimless humour is possible. At the risk of labouring a point, I still don't see the difference between mocking someone's race and mocking a disability, and I still do not understand why Captain Birdseye posted that link. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Scotsman Over The Border Date: 17 Jun 09 - 10:31 AM Your post was done whilst I was writing, Captain, I don't know how to edit on this board, so my previous comment was submitted before reading yours. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Folknacious Date: 17 Jun 09 - 11:05 AM I find it extraordinary how nearly every topic on this board which starts out as a lighthearted one inevitably gets sidetracked, hi-jacked or whatever you care to call it by the humourless, the professional takers of offense, the grinders of axes, the wilfully uncomprehending and the knee-jerk combatants who will always disagree with what certain other posters say. And if the cap fits any of those, feel free to wear it! |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: The Sandman Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:05 PM Folknacious.Offence not offense. I am not humourless,my humour is diferent from yours,is that understood. if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Folknacious,your willing enough to take the piss,but dont seem to like it, when I give my opinion of your humour,if you give it out baby,you got to learn to take it. I dont find your humour offensive[apart from the big ed comment,just predictable],however you are a fine artist. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Scotsman Over The Border Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:05 PM Folknacious, please excuse me, I'm new to mudcat, if I'm cast as one of your cap wearing, humourless, axegrinding, professional offense takers with the hair-trigger knee, etc etc, then so be it, but my motivation was purely against what I saw to be a discriminatory prejudice. I appologise profusely for hijaking your thread. If it's worth anything I find Borefolk very funny. |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: GUEST,baz parkes Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:09 PM Sorry...Coming back late to this Dick says I compared Joe Stead to Bernard Manning...I didn't. The point I was making was I didn't find him (Manning) funny, therefore didn't watch/listen to him...suggesting,perhaps naively that people who don't find the whole Borfolk word funny should do the same. Then lo and behold,Upspoke the Captain..."but each to their own,so have fun with Lawrence." I really don't know why I let myself bedragged into all this.... Baz |
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Subject: RE: Boring Folk Day From: Leadfingers Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:39 PM Dick - I put that link up because someone was looking for the bloody song , NOT because I thought it was funny ! Incidentally , its Ronnie Barker's song requested in the thread http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=9974 |
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