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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Cobble
Date: 09 May 01 - 08:07 PM

I have friend's at work who are ex-teachers, one of them I helped to get his job, because he had, had enough. Reality is that so long as the paper work is done you have done your job. Same with nurses, all the bozo's in power dont have a clue, Jack of all trades, not a clue about any. The true reality is as some are now finding out, that the old fashion method''s work. I have never seen so many kid's coming out of school so illiterate because the poor teacher's who are doing there best are BOGGED down with mindless paperwork. How many hours a week ? NO THANK YOU. It's about time MP's were made to work this way full time, bring them back to the real world.

I'm not a teacher or nurse but I sympathize with them about the idiot's running the system.

Cobble.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 09 May 01 - 09:36 PM

I was a high-school English and geography teacher for two years. After that I taught small unit tactics in the Infantry, For the past 38 years I have been a professor of English at the college level--Elizabethean/Jacobean drama, Medieval literature, and, currently, historal linguistics and descriptive grammar.

Bill Foster


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 10 May 01 - 03:35 AM

When is a teacher not a teacher ? Answer : When you can cut their pay in half and call them a librarian!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 May 01 - 06:47 AM

For GUEST, Imogene:

Search in the alphabetical database for Old King Cole (also: Coul)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,duart
Date: 10 May 01 - 08:11 AM

I'm a drama teacher in Canberra, Australia for the last ten years and use folk-tales and songs in scenes and improvised plays. Before that I was an English literature teacher for over twenty years here in Australia and back where I began,in Glasgow,Scotland.Still love teaching and still love singing all kinds of songs; Scots, Irish American and Australian- lucky, I Guess.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Deni
Date: 10 May 01 - 08:44 AM

Crumbs. Quite a few of you are teachers then? glad I asked now! deni


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Dave Swan
Date: 10 May 01 - 01:40 PM

I've trained paramedics and emergency medical technicians for about fifteen years. I teach most of the additional certification courses (Advanced Cardiac Life Support, blah, blah, blah) and I'm told I manage to make them interesting.

p.j.'s degree is in education, and she has adult education contracts going all over the place. We're currently sharing one at California Academy of Sciences. She's the best natural teacher I've ever seen.

My favorite teaching gig, ever, was the long term substitute job at Cal State Stanislaus where I had a semester to teach theatre history, Greeks to Elizabethans. Wish I'd never left.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 01 - 02:37 PM

Me too. I teach Science and Maths.
Best wishes and commiserations,
Keith


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Jack The Lad
Date: 10 May 01 - 03:56 PM

I'm an English teacher- full time -as well as running a folk festival- full time. One week a year the two clash and something gives- guess what. Jack The Lad


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Fortunato
Date: 10 May 01 - 04:04 PM

I served as an elementary teacher, and a junior high and high school English teacher for a total of 12 years. Twelve years is about what I would have served for armed robbery in this state. Then I taught English and Math in prison (they let me go home nights), and finally I was a director of a school for emotionally handicapped adolescents. I succeeded as an educator often enough to survive, and failed miserably a few times.

I suppose you've heard one becomes what one does. Careful you young folks, only do what you want to become.

regards, Fortunato

to Bill in Alabama, your job sounds like fun. I think I would have enjoyed such a life. Cheers


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,Gern
Date: 10 May 01 - 04:13 PM

While we're on Bill for Alabama here, perhaps he can come back and tell me what a course in "descriptive grammar" entails. But I hope you take them for field trips to the Tennessee Fall Homecomeing. Plenty of inspiration there.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Sue vG
Date: 10 May 01 - 08:20 PM

Yep - I'm another! Primary and Special Needs trained - now working as an education officer for a fostering agency. Bob would like to point out that he is not, nor ever has been a member of the teaching profession...... Sue vG

Noreen, come and see me after class!


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,Dorie but i've lost the thingy
Date: 11 May 01 - 03:40 PM

Hey animaterra i've been a mudkitty since may(ish)2000 but my computer broke and i've only just got back on but cheers 4 welcoming me any way. Hope every1 is well and stuff love dorie xxx


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: annamill
Date: 11 May 01 - 05:34 PM

I just skipped all the posts because I have to go home. When I read the name of the thread my first reaction was "All of Them!"

Love, annamill


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,Kernow John
Date: 12 May 01 - 04:12 PM

Not a teacher but I teach. 1 day a week computer skills to primary kids and I love it. I live in a small village with no hope of getting a qualified teacher so it suits me fine. BTW Deni, Marion and I were both in the health Service before coming to Cornwall. She was a nurse and I wasn't? Regards KJ


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Fergie
Date: 13 May 01 - 11:56 AM

Teach engineering here in Dublin, late vocation for me started teaching at 46 years been at it 4 years teaching secondary school children (13 - 18 year olds) I love it.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,Rambam99
Date: 13 May 01 - 12:03 PM

Yes - I teach History and Geography in a Denver High School


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,fortunato
Date: 13 May 01 - 12:13 PM

Fergie, may the deity hold you gently, and good luck. I haven't the patience for my own teenagers now, let alone other peoples. It's a grand career but not for the faint of heart.

regards, fortunato


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,Tom
Date: 13 May 01 - 10:49 PM

I teach blind folk (veterans) how to travel safely and independently wherever they may want go using the Long Cane. The proper term would be orientation and mobility instructor. I play guitar, harmonica etc, and the bass player in our trio is also an O&M instructor and we sit about two feet apart at work. It makes for good rehearsal time during lunch. Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: vectis
Date: 14 May 01 - 06:39 PM

I'm a special needs teacher. I must be mad. Only 7 years and I can retire if I can afford to go I will. Music and folking keeps me sane.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,Lucius
Date: 14 May 01 - 10:39 PM

As you can tell from my lack of cookie, I'm not an active enough Mudcatter to even reset it on a regular basis. But yes, I teach elementary students K-5. I teach all the traditions: Brahms, Jimmie Rogers, Fats Waller, Beatles, I been known to sneak some Brittney Spears in for analysis, but my kids know that the music that I love best is the kind that just plain folk make when we sing and dance.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Dunkle
Date: 15 May 01 - 01:01 PM

I've been teaching French and Spanish for a good long time now...currently in a Friends' (Quaker) k-8 school outside of Philadelphia...hence my interest in chansons and canciones, as well as good 'ol amurican (and canadian, and english, and australian) folk music, as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 15 May 01 - 08:40 PM

Sue vG, welcome to Mudcat!

Teacher, no, but I did work in (and consult in) the schools running parent and community involvement and school change programs.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 15 May 01 - 08:52 PM

I've been on the clinical faculty of several medical schools in the past, just got around to getting my faculty appointment at the U. of Hawaii medical school (after 7 years here!), so I'm looking forward to having medical students and residents rotating through my pediatric office, because I love to teach.

A number of years ago I noted the high proportion of social service types in the folk community, and to honor them I wrote a song called Help for the Helper.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 May 01 - 12:39 AM

Mark, that is superb. It was just like seeing my husband look up from his desk to find another member of the Uomi tribe looking for help that does not help and refusing the help that would help... and him staying there in that work anyway because on any given day one may actually be making a difference, even while not seeing it at all.

God bless you, Mark.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Susan from California
Date: 16 May 01 - 01:02 AM

Yes, Mark, thanks. I had one of those days today where I had to call Child Protective Services. It really hurts when kids are broken BY their homes. i cried most of the way home. I know that this weekend I'll be renting a sad movie so that I can cry it all out. But MOST days, I love it.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 May 01 - 01:28 AM

{{{{{HUG}}}}}

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Firecat
Date: 16 May 01 - 04:11 AM

Mind you, Mum and Dad (Tig and The Badger) don't escape children!! Hahahahahahahahaha! They've got me, ain't they? Added to which, seeing as I hate doing college work, they're always nagging me so Mum is kinda lying when she says she's a Human Being, cos she's still being teacherish towards me (GRRRRRRRRR!)!!


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST,Rag
Date: 16 May 01 - 08:13 AM

Taught for over 15 years in the secondary age range and saw the job change from an enriching and challenging experience to one of absolute drudgery and stress largely because of underfunding, over expectations generated by competing schools, and depressing attacks, both physical and verbal, encouraged by the media.

Left two years ago before my health suffered too badly, and now I'm fine doing a different job I really enjoy.

All credit to those still in there!

I still feel the indignation when I hear or read some stupid diatribe about our schools failing our kids, or some rubbish about poor teachers.

For me, folk music has always been about community, solidarity, sharing, and mutual support. The folk world is a natural for teachers who share the same values.


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Subject: RE: BS: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: wdyat12
Date: 16 May 01 - 09:57 AM

I taught art in a middle school and mechanical drawing in a highschool for several years. I occasionally teach as a volunteer art/science teacher in our local school systems. For 20 years I have climbed into the sky as a crane mechanic at Bath Iron Works. Recently a new position has opened up here at the shipyard. Seems that OSHA now requires all crane operators to go through a more rigorous training to reduce the number of accidents. BIW is looking for a crane instructor from within, so I have applied for the position. If I get the job it doesn't mean I will retire from climbing into the sky, but I will get a chance to use my teacher training again. Wish me luck.

wdyat12


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 07:07 PM

Long summer holidays with pay just around the corner again. So what are all you teachers going this summer ?


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: bbc
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 07:23 PM

England in August, to visit Bill Sables. :)

bbc


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Pauline L
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 01:10 AM

Teaching ain't what it used to be.

From NYT June 4, 06

The Gilded Age of Home Schooling

In what is an elite tweak on home schooling — and a throwback to the gilded days of education by governess or tutor — growing numbers of families are choosing the ultimate in private school: hiring teachers to educate their children in their own homes.
Lisa Mazzoni, 17, watching her tutor, Rob Cox, play with her dog recently during a break from studying at her home in Marina del Rey, Calif.
Unlike the more familiar home-schoolers of recent years, these families are not trying to get more religion into their children's lives, or escape what some consider the tyranny of the government's hand in schools. In fact, many say they have no argument with ordinary education — it just does not fit their lifestyles.
Lisa Mazzoni's family splits its time between Marina del Rey, Calif., and Delray Beach, Fla. Lisa has her algebra and history lessons delivered poolside sometimes or on her condominium's rooftop, where she and her teacher enjoy the sun and have a view of the Pacific Ocean south of Santa Monica.
"For someone who travels a lot or has a parent who travels and wants to keep the family together, it's an excellent choice," said Lisa's mother, Trish Mazzoni, who with her husband owns a speedboat company.
The cost for such teachers generally runs $70 to $110 an hour. And depending on how many hours a teacher works, and how many teachers are involved, the price can equal or surpass tuition in the upper echelon of private schools in New York City or Los Angeles, where $30,000 a year is not unheard of.
Other parents say the model works for children who are sick, for children who are in show business or for those with learning disabilities.
"It's a hidden group of folks, but it's growing enormously," said Luis Huerta, a professor of public policy and education at Teachers College of Columbia University, whose national research includes a focus on home schooling.
The United States Department of Education last did a survey on home schooling in 2003. That survey did not ask about full-time in-home teachers. But it found that from 1999 to 2003, the number of children who were educated at home had soared, increasing by 29 percent, to 1.1 million students nationwide. It also found that, of those, 21 percent used a tutor.
Home schooling is legal in every state, though some regulate it more than others. Home-school teachers do not require certification, and the only common requirement from state to state is that students meet compulsory-attendance rules.
Scholars who study home-schooling trends, business owners who serve home-schooling families and abundant anecdotal evidence also suggest that private teaching arrangements are on the rise. Some families do it for short stints, others for years at a time.
Bob Harraka, president of Professional Tutors of America, has about 6,000 teachers from 14 states on his payroll in Orange County, Calif., but cannot meet a third of the requests for in-home education that come in, he said, because they are so specialized or extravagant: a family wants a teacher to instruct in the art of Frisbee throwing, button sewing or Latin grammar. A family wants a teacher to accompany them for a yearlong voyage at sea.
"Sailing comes up at least once or twice a year," Mr. Harraka said.
Parents say in-home teaching arrangements offer unparalleled levels of academic attention and flexibility in scheduling, in addition to a sense of family cohesion and autonomy over what children learn. To them, these advantages make up for the lack of a school social life, which they say can be replicated through group lessons in, say, ballet or sculpture.
Jon D. Snyder, dean of the Bank Street College of Education in New York, said his main concerns about this form of education were whether tutors and students were a good fit, and whether students got enough social interaction.
"From a purely academic standpoint, it goes back to a much earlier era," Dr. Snyder said. "The notion of individual tutorials is a time-honored tradition, particularly among the elite."
Think Plato, John Stuart Mill and George Washington. Philosopher kings and gentleman farmers. Because of the cost of in-home tutoring, the idea will probably not spread like wildfire, and just as well, Dr. Snyder said.
"Public education has social goals; that's why we pay tax dollars for it," he said. "When Socrates was tutoring Plato, he wasn't concerned about educating the other people in Greece. They were just concerned about educating Plato."
On the Upper West Side of Manhattan, Krystal and Tiffany Wheeler earn high school credits in adjacent pastel bedrooms after breakfast. The teachers come to them.
Their mother, Charlene Royce, said she wanted her girls to experience the benefits of a personalized education but did not feel comfortable teaching herself.
"I feel that education is better this way, one on one," said Ms. Royce, whose expertise is in finding electronics companies in which to invest. "It was never an option for me to do it — I wouldn't know how."
For help, she turned to a Manhattan business, On Location Education, which took care of the logistics, providing her with curricula and teachers. Ms. Royce gets weekly progress reports and a visit every couple of months from a woman she calls "the mobile principal."
To meet their social needs — and for exercise — Tiffany and Krystal attend dance and piano classes, among other things, and belong to a gym.
Lisa Mazzoni takes acting and dance classes in Hollywood. She is also enrolled in a school for distance learning that provides a curriculum for her tutor, Rob Cox, of Professional Tutors of America, to teach.
"I do love the fact that instead of waking up at 5:30 every morning I get to wake up at 8:30," said Lisa, who is 17 and attended private school until this year.
"It makes life so much easier," Lisa continued. "I don't have to worry about missing tests and if I really wanted to, I could bring the work with me — because it's all in the computer — if I'm in Florida visiting my dad or going to a boat race."
When Nick Niell, an investment banker, and his wife, Sarah, moved to New York from East Sussex, England, for about a year in 2003, four teachers would come on weekdays to Mr. Niell's townhouse on 69th Street near Madison Avenue to teach his three school-aged children. Mr. Niell said he could not find a British school in the city and wanted his children to study the same things they would have studied in England. A floor of the house was converted into classroom space.
"It was quite good fun," said Mr. Niell, whose teachers came through Partners with Parents, a Manhattan in-home tutoring service.
The families embracing the one-on-one home-school model are turning the original concept on its head. Dr. Huerta said the popular notion is that home-schoolers leave schools they see as troubled, certain they can do better as teachers themselves. Hiring teachers for full-time instruction is not typical.
The new and more expansive definitions of home schooling irritate some traditionalists who want to keep the model simpler. "People use the term home schooling for all sorts of interesting things these days," said Celeste Land, a member of the board at the Organization of Virginia Homeschoolers. "Obviously it's not pure home schooling."
But the growing number of home-school support groups has made it easier for the new model to develop. And tutoring is more in the public consciousness these days in part because of the federal education law known as No Child Left Behind, which includes a tutoring component, and the vast array of test prep tutoring services being pitched to an increasingly tested national student body.
Companies that supply teachers and curricula are abundant, also making it easier for families to step away from traditional schools, experts say. And though many who follow the new model are wealthy, increasing numbers of middle class families more sociologically and racially diverse have begun to school their children at home, according to education officials and tutor-service companies.
Laurie Gerber, president of Partners with Parents, said she started to get requests for in-home teachers about three or four years ago.
"Our tutoring business started to become a huge percentage of home-schooling clients, as opposed to tutoring," Ms. Gerber said. "We started a whole home-schooling wing."
The teachers who are hired to home school say the job is great.
"I love it; it's a dream come true," said Mr. Cox, who tutors Lisa Mazzoni. He is a former television and radio news reporter as well as an actor and a certified teacher.
"If you want to travel or have some other business to attend to, there isn't a school system dependent on you being there," he said. "It's your own individual school that operates according to your needs."
Tiffany Wheeler's tutor, Nancy Falong, retired a few years ago after 32 years as a teacher in the New Jersey public schools. Now she works for On Location Education. Sitting next to Tiffany last week, their two world history books turned to the same page on the Marshall Plan, she expressed a sense of delight. "This is pure teaching."
And Tiffany, looking relaxed with bare feet under her bedroom desk, said, "It's fun."


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: thespionage
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 01:19 AM

I am a future teacher.


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Cats at Work
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:20 AM

I'm Head of Individual Needs in the second largest Community College [or for those of you in the USA, School], in Cornwall. I too arrive at 8am and don't leave until god knows when and take work home, but I tend not to carry it, I e mail it to myself! Sometimes Jon actually gets to say hello to me during the week. I'm also a Union officer and help sort out other teachers problems as well. Only another 7 years to go ......


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:23 AM

Three months holiday.
high pay.
finish at 3.30pm every day.
retire at 60.
Easy life!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:26 AM

I used to be a teacher. However I don't think I ever actually managed to teach anybody anything. I hope I didn't damage kids too much.


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Ruston Hornsby
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:38 AM

What I want to know is WHY do there seem to be so many teachers on the folk and traditional dance scene? What is it that attracts teachers to folk or vice versa? I'm in a morris team and about a third of them teach, and, as none of them have done anything else - i.e. they've been in the education system since they were 5 - they seem to have varying degrees of difficulty understanding about life outside of their world. This is particularly noticeable when discussing holidays - they think we all have half terms and summer holidays like they do!

Should you think I'm having an unfair pot at teachers, my late father taught and I can remember him sat at home marking work late into the evening and recall what the pressures of the job took out of him. Mind you, he liked Trad Jazz.....


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:46 AM

My father taught accountancy, he retired at 56, doddle! Like you Ruston I know a lot of teachers, and if you put any combination of them together all they yak on about is bloody teaching! They are not in the real world of business that's for sure. Insular is the word.


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Mooh
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:18 AM

Since first posting to this thread, 9 May '01, I've built my private music instruction business to full-time, and the only outide work I do now is music related (gigs, repairs, and volunteering). There's not much point in being self-employed if there is no time off, so I give myself August and most public school holidays off, except a couple of statutory Monday holidays. I have also been working alternate Saturdays, but that ends at the end of June, hopefully for ever.

We save and budget for my time off, pay some bills in advance, and live within our means for the most part.

Demand is still high, there's a long waiting list for lessons and a short backlog for repairs.

It is the best job I've ever had, even if not the best paying, though it pays much better than my previous blue collar jobs.

A supportive bride and children, sympathetic accountant, friendly dogs (Rosie The Wonder Dog and Cosmo The Other Dog love to watch folks come and go), adaptable household, all help things work. No commute (I work from home), less wear and tear on my bones, just the revolving door of happy faces (okay, most of the time). I should have started this several years sooner.

What don't I like? The damn GST (goods and services tax), rescheduling lessons, no-shows, and fly-by-night competitors whose dissatisfied students invariably end up on my waiting list.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:27 AM

Well actually Ted if I still had a job I would be unable to retire until I'm 63 (65 for anyone more than two years younger than me). I never finished work much before 10pm and only stopped working when the Summer holidays started and then only until the week before we went back. Sadly, teaching as with many other jobs is becoming the victim of accountants who simply divide the numbers and come up with a requirement for techers without taking into account childrens needs. As Cobble stated in his very first posting it has become more about paperwork than doing the actual teaching but none of that can be done during the school day! I was made redundant last year following 'down sizing' under Public finance initiative which has left mixed age range classes and yet more paperwork for the remaining staff. in addition when I apply for jobs most of the applicants are newly qualified and therefore considerably cheaper to employ. You would imagine that experience would count but most schools are on such a tight budget that they cannot afford to be choosy!


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:52 AM

Ps: I forgot to mention that my Uncle teaches Architecture at Uni, he gets FOUR months holiday a year!


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Sooz
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 08:13 AM

I'm looking forward to beingan ex-teacher


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 08:25 AM

I'm probably going to make myself deeply unpopular on this thread, I don't want to, but I have a very different point of view I'm afraid.

So, the *desperately* important question, to me at least, is WHY are you teachers in the first place?

Is it because the holidays give you much time off for folk music/festivals? Is it because you want to assert your will over others....no matter what the cost of that may be to the child/young person in front of you? Is it because it seemed an easy option, after leaving school? You just stay in the same environment, but get paid for it. Is it because you think that gaining examinations is the most important thing in life, above *all* else?

OR....are you a teacher because you love children deeply and want to care for them, to enrich their lives as much as you can? Is it that you know that in being able to pass on your knowledge in a kind and understanding manner, you will widen their horizons, and bestow on them the gift of kindness and empathy, in order that they, in their turn, will go on to enlighten and enrich the lives of others?

I ask these questions as the mother of two children who feels concerned that very little about *children* was mentioned in the posts above, apart from how nice it is to no longer be teaching them, or how debilitating your job is or what right pains in the arses they seem to be!

But....don't you ever stop to think how school affects the very human beings that you have supposedly come to teach and care for? Does it never occur to you that many of them can never leave school, until they are 'permitted' by society? Many of them do not have the freedom to up and walk out, to find a new life, a new way, a new beginning.

Well, my children left. My son at 7 years old, my daughter at 15 years old. Weighed down with the terrible stress which is now put upon them to pass exams, (my daughter in particular, being older) "You MUST achieve..at all costs!" drummed into them by teachers who are under equal stress to achieve....bullied relentlessly by their unhappy and often disturbed peers, who are rebelling in the only way they know how....they caved in...and I got flamingly angry and realised there WAS another way! And we found Home Education.

Yet teachers have the power to stop ALL of this, by uniting together to change these crazy rules and regulations that are weighing you down and in some cases KILLING our children. My daughter already has two friends who have committed suicide. She was just 17 when the first one died. 18 when the second one took his life. I know MANY children and young people who are having loads of problems at school, yet no-one will listen to them. They are often the sensitive, quiet children, who are so often ignored by teachers and bullied rotten by their peers.

Then there are the children who have dyslexia, the hyperactive ones, the Asperger's Syndrome children, the autistic children.....These are some of the children who drive teachers up the wall, as they won't behave 'as they should'. They wriggle, they daydream, they chatter, they misbehave, Lordy...they are SUCH a nuisance!! But of course..no-one thinks what is going on in the child's mind. No-one thinks that it is unnatural for a child to sit behind a desk for hours at a time...(Would you ask your child to do that at week-ends?)...unnatural for them to be forced to learn something in which they have no interest. No-one thinks that ALL children are different, that their brains function in very many different ways. The poet may never be the mathmetician, the artist may never be the scientist, the mechanic/builder/decorator may never be the historian and vice versa. We are all designed to work in a different manner, yet School is now trying it's damndest to make us work in the same way, at the same time, on the same day, in the same week of the year.

Total madness!

ALL children can learn, and go on to live as rich a life as possible..but ONLY if they are given the support, encouragement and love they so need. Every single child in front of you, who is placed into YOUR care has a special skill. It may not be the skill that you want or desire...but it is THEIR skill and it is your job to work out what that is, then to encourage and feed it. But 'the system' won't let you do that...so CHANGE the system.

Children are turning away from learning BECAUSE of 'EDUCATION, EDUCATION,EDUCATION'....this madness called The National Curriculum, which forbids good teachers from being able to teach THEIR way, in a way they can adapt to the children in front of them. And the bad teachers? Well, the National Curriculum makes it easy for them, no need to think, just hand out worksheets in the class room for the children to learn their Week 3/15/26 lessons on....then fill in the forms required by Politicians, who wouldn't be able to understand, or care, about a child's needs in a month of Sundays!

And if I sound angry....I am!! Because the solution is so simple! And the solution lies with you teachers, (in my opinion.) YOU have the strength, as a profession, to change it all around.

My children now LOVE to learn. And the reason they have such a deep love, is because they now learn what they want, when they want, how they want. They're now happy, confident, interesting young people. My daughter has completely turned her back on exams, doesn't want to know. She recognises them for what they are...another way of making money. The exam system is now HUGE! Wall upon wall, of book after book, of how to get your shattered, stressed out, angry, miserable, rebellious child through to the end of the system!

But at what price to the child? When my children were in school, they had switched off completely. In the home-education world, this is known as 'Educide'....the voluntary killing off of the natural love of learning, by the child itself.

So next time you think how stressed out, fed up, overworked, angry and bitter you're becoming....just think about the children too.

And I'll leave you with the wise and empathetic words of Harry Chapin's 'Flowers Are Red' and George Papavgeris's song 'Watermelon Seeds'

Harry's song is the story of a small child going to school for the first time, filled with enthusiasm and happiness..a creative mind eager to have wisdom poured inside, to have lights switched on. The words are self-explanatory, but to hear Harry singing them...well...it brings it all home to you...and every teacher should listen to and understand that song (imo) before they are ever able to call themselves 'teachers'

And George's song...well that tells of how easy it is to raise happy contented children. It doesn't apply solely to the education system, but it's still very important, inasmuch as it reminds us of so many things we've forgotten, so many simple things. Children are just that...children! How we have forgotten that. They are there to be nurtured and loved, as George says. And to be loved and appreciated by all of us...and that imo, includes an education system that is way out of control, and that has come to regard children as nothing more than a dreadful, ghastly nuisance! It is perhaps *one* of the reasons why so many children are very unhappy at present.

FLOWERS ARE RED by Harry Chapin

"Spoken)Your son marches to the beat of a different drummer, comma. (Spoken)But don't worry, (Spoken)We'll have him joining the parade by the end of the term

The little boy went first day of school He got some crayons and started to draw He put colors all over the paper For colors was what he saw And the teacher said.. What you doin' young man I'm paintin' flowers he said She said... It's not the time for art young man And anyway flowers are green and red There's a time for everything young man And a way it should be done You've got to show concern for everyone else For you're not the only one

And she said... Flowers are red young man Green leaves are green There's no need to see flowers any other way Than they way they always have been seen

But the little boy said... There are so many colors in the rainbow So many colors in the morning sun So many colors in the flower and I see every one

Well the teacher said.. You're sassy There's ways that things should be And you'll paint flowers the way they are So repeat after me.....

And she said... Flowers are red young man Green leaves are green There's no need to see flowers any other way Than they way they always have been seen

But the little boy said... There are so many colors in the rainbow So many colors in the morning sun So many colors in the flower and I see every one

The teacher put him in a corner She said.. It's for your own good.. And you won't come out 'til you get it right And are responding like you should Well finally he got lonely Frightened thoughts filled his head And he went up to the teacher And this is what he said.. and he said

Flowers are red, green leaves are green There's no need to see flowers any other way Than the way they always have been seen

Time went by like it always does And they moved to another town And the little boy went to another school And this is what he found The teacher there was smilin' She said...Painting should be fun And there are so many colors in a flower So let's use every one

But that little boy painted flowers In neat rows of green and red And when the teacher asked him why This is what he said.. and he said

Flowers are red, green leaves are green There's no need to see flowers any other way Than the way they always have been seen.

But there still must be a way to have our children say . . .

There are so many colors in the rainbow So many colors in the morning sun So many colors in the flower and I see every one"

George's 'Watermelon Seeds' you can hear on his Myspace page here:

http://www.myspace.com/georgepapavgeris

And here are the lyrics:

'Watermelon Seeds' by George Papavgeris:

"You see them running in the playground You see them splashing in the mud Pulling at mother's skirt at checkouts Or screaming till they freeze your blood. For some a curse, for some a blessing; Some call them names much more unkind. But when I see them all together I've got to tell you they remind Me of watermelon seeds, Just little watermelon seeds, A million million little kids, They're only watermelon seeds.

Their pictures in a billion wallets Or standing on some mantlepiece. Or on the news, or on some posters Pleading for food, asking for peace. They come in every size and colour, Their little lives have just begun. But you can see it in their faces: New hope in each and every one. They're watermelon seeds....

Inside each one there is an angel Seeing the world with trusting eyes And it depends on those around him Whether that angel lives or dies. In every child there is a promise That needs so little to come true. You'll understand if you remember The child that years ago was you. They're watermelon seeds...

So when you're planning for the future In children's eyes you'll find the clue. In all you do you must remember The future is for them, not you. And it's not toys, and it's not money, That helps them till they're fully grown. A little love, a little water And treating each one as your own. They're watermelon seeds..."

Apologies for rambling, but it's a subject I feel passionate about. And I recognise there are many problems in society in general, so please don't think that I'm ONLY blaming schools.

Lizzie


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 09:13 AM

I'm a lecturer. It's like being a teacher but without the holidays and with less pay (cue shouts of outrage from teachers!!). Actually, I couldn't be a teacher - I would rather teach older (post-school age) people, and I love my research, but don't even START me on the current lecturer pay dispute because I am rabidly pro-union and fully support the current action short of a strike in the UK.

Okay, I've started. I have no set hours of work, yet I work about 45-50 hours a week. We are allocated 23 days holiday a year (we don't automatically get time off out of term-time - that's a common misconception), yet I rarely take them. When we're not teaching we're carrying out administration, pastoral duties, and trying to get as much research done as possible in order to generate funding and justify our jobs. The students seem to get more demanding every year, especially now that they pay tuition fees (I've had some tell me that they have paid for their degree therefore we shouldn't be boycotting assessment - if only they knew how little the amount they pay contributes to the cost, and if only they realised that their fees do not entitle them to a qualification, but to an education).

Our Vice Chancellor earns 196,000 GBP per year plus a house and car. He had a 31.5% pay rise over the last 3 years. In contrast, academics have taken a 40% pay cut relative to their equivalent professions over the past 20 years, while workloads have increased.

I'm suprised anyone is left to lecture, to teach and to nurse. I do it because I love my job, but there is now a serious amount of badwill in the Higher Education sector and the fallout will be lengthy. There are last-ditch pay negotiations today, so keep your fingers crossed.

(Rant ends...)


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 10:21 AM

Ask Arthur Scargill how easy it is to unite and frustrate the aims of a government with a headful of ideas on a subject it knows nothing about.

Most teachers are good eggs. You get the odd wild card, but by and large a basket of good eggs.

The trouble is that people expect the solutions of complicated problems to be simple. And the more simplistic the answer, the more popular the politician or songwriter.


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 10:58 AM

I spent 32 years as an elementary teacher and at the same school. I taught in a modest sized town of about 40,000 people and in a school whose enrolement was about 500 kids. I taught 5th and 6th grades---that means 10-13 year olds. I enjoyed the teaching and the kids, but not the paper work and the other "stuff" we were required to do. I'd do it again, though.


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: black walnut
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:18 AM

I've taught high school, early childhood music classes and private piano and flute lessons...does any of that count?

~b.w.


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:24 AM

99. Yes!!


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Subject: RE: How many mudcatters are teachers?
From: ksloan
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:27 AM

100


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