Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: mg
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 04:22 PM

I have never thought of American Music as being basically Irish and Scottish..or pan-Celtic. I think it most undoubtedly has huge English roots, as that is the language that was settled on and as you enforce the speaking of English only in schools, only English songs would be sung, in addition to bad translations of Funiculi Funicula. With an occasional French song thrown in.

German songs were probably somewhat suppressed in WWI. Some town in the midwest had tunnels for German-Americans to get about in as they were so discriminated against in that time.

Certainly huge African and Carribean influence.

Some big pockets of Scandinavian music that still exist.

Spanish.

French.

Melungeon influence huge but unrecognized..read up on old-time and Melungeon music. Appalachain music in general. It does not sound Scottish or Scots-Irish (never quite sure what that is) to me. Sounds totally distinct with Arabic influences, and they claim history in Turkey and Portugal.

I actually don't think of this mountain music as The American Music. It is part of the overall picture. Lots of stuff was music hall and parlor music..some Irish, some Hebrew/Yiddish.
Cowboy..I presume Irish, African-American, Spanish all influenced.

Poles and Czechs...most of us did not speak their language..but we still like the polkas and other instrumental music.

But I would side with people who do believe that their is either ignorance about English music or some bias against it. Some of what we sing without thinking too much about is quite insulting to the English and they certainly are not individually responsible for all the woes of the world..they were serfs and conscriptees and coal miners and factory workers and did not have much to say about how their nation was conducting its business...mg

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 04:39 PM

I have never understood why people need to pigeonhole folk music. All I know is that a lot of so called Celtic folk music can be just as mind numbingly boring as a lot of English and USAian folk music. And yet I have never found any Argentine folklore music to at all boring!!!

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 04:55 PM

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Bonzo3legs - PM
Date: 01 Oct 11 - 12:48 PM

I downloaded the wmv file from the iplayer and so far it is converting to DVD compliant VOB format in SUPER © - never used to be able to do this without a clever little programme, and for the last year or so not at all!!!

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But this failed .....

Unfortunately any official download from the iPlayer web pages also comes with DRM which time-life's the file for about 30 days. Then it gets deleted from your hard drive, or the file wont unscramble when played. Either way after 30-days the file is unwatchable and is simply wasting space.

Within the 30 days though you can watch the programme. The sound track can be recorded with Audacity using 'Stereo Mix' then saved in FLAC, WAV, or MP3 format.

The video and audio can be captured by a 'screen scrapeing' app. such as one from NCH or Applian. This basically records the data from the graphics card that is mirrored on the screen.

You'll need a fast and rock steady broadband connection for this.

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Or you can use Get_iPLayer which downloads the raw file from the iPLayer server in WMV format sans DRM.

From overseas you'll need to set up a VPN with ExpatShield first.

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Or you can try GetFLV or StreamTransport. I have better luck with GetFLV.

Again overseas users need ExpatShield first.

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Or the episode is already on TheBox.bz as a free leach.

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Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 05:43 PM

Didn't Sam Lakeman get in by marriage? To Cara Dillon (Irish).
(Sorry, I'm following the rather cynical trend here, slightly tongue-in-cheek): no offence to Sam, who is a fine musician).

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 06:14 PM

and Sean Lakeman is married to Kathryn Roberts, I believe. I have no idea what their favourite colours or favourite foods are though

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 06:23 PM

What do people in other countries think of as American music?

I would guess most people here would think of Stephen Foster, cowboy songs, music hall songs...not sure what else. That would be the most widespread. mg

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 07:24 PM

who do I think of when I think of American music? Iris Dement for one, Emmylou Harris for another, The Flatlanders, Wilco,

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Stanron
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 07:29 PM

What do people in other countries think of as American music?

Ragtime
The Great American Songbook(s)
Origins of jazz
Country
Blues
Bluegrass
The unfortunate tedium of most modern jazz
In the same way that psychology has a silent P, rap has ......

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 07:53 PM

Tradsinger wrote "Americans like to see their folk/country/old timey music as all coming from Ireland and Scotland,..." So you know ALL of us then? Funny, I know some who like to think their music has African roots, or French, or, dare I say, English. We have so many twigs from Child ballad branches growing here. We have murder ballads, sea shanties, hymns and other types of song, and many are linked with English music.

The more I read here, the more I think any anti-English bias (when it comes to music) is perpetuated mostly by English people. Either you simply don't think your music is good enough, or you think that's how other people see it. It baffles me. I love English music. I also believe that music lovers who judge a song by its nationality are idiots.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: michaelr
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 08:15 PM

Well said, Jeri.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: ChrisJBrady
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 08:46 PM

Well - not as good as the other programmes by a very long way. The aims and objectives of the series is now beyond me, and the agenda of demonstrating the similarities of American (whatever that is) with Scottish and Irish folk music and song was well diluted. AND what a bunch of male chauvinists - ALL the musos were male. The few females (3?) were relegated to singing one song each. Also I don't think any English trad. musos or singers would have a place in the proceedings. I simply couldn't see the likes of the Watersons or Carthys or Coppers or Bellowhead or any of the likes of Oyster or Albion etc., fitting in at all. The first programme demonstrated a dire ignoring (ignorance?) of anything remotely English. What on earth is the Beeb thinking of. Poor start to the new series.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 09:18 PM

CJB you're paranoid. How can the first programme demonstrate "a dire ignorance of anything remotely English" when the subject is not touched upon? You're reading stuff into it which is not there. Be thankful that there's a folk music programme on TV at all. Or should Scots complain about there being no Scots on the Percy Grainger prom?

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 09:57 PM

Where were all the Scots on the "Folk Britannia" programmes last year? To say there is some sort of anti-English bias is nonesense - they probably didn't even think about it.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 10:54 PM

Seems to me that the English feel that their tradition needs to be included in every facet of folk music (folkie colonialism?)

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 04:10 AM

Well I thought it was fine, a great start to the new series and I'm looking forward to the next programme.

I can only apologise for such uncalled for positivity.

And yes it would be fantastic to see a similar setup involving more English musicians, but I'm afraid I've certainly not got the experience, expertise and contacts to get such a programme commissioned.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 04:16 AM

Seems to me that the English feel that their tradition needs to be included in every facet of folk music (folkie colonialism?)

Well now you're drawing from the particular to the general - which is not what I meant when I made my initial comment about the lack of English music/musicians in the Transatlantic Sessions.

Given the cross-cultural musical links between England and the US, and given the cross-cultural musical links between all parts of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland - links which go back hundreds of years, I'm just mildly irritated that the Transatlantic Sessions weren't truly "transatlantic" when they were devised, and haven't evolved in their attitude since then. As I said clearly, I love the sessions (on the whole), but I think they've missed an opportunity here.

I certainly don't believe that "my tradition" needs to be included in every facet of folk music - why on earth should I? "My tradition", by the way, includes ancestors from Lancashire and East Anglia in England, Kildare in Ireland and Kinross and Edinburgh in Scotland. Remember - when you say "English" think of that, because it applies to a huge number of my fellow "Englishmen".

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,The Lamenting Whelk
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 07:26 AM

"Seems to me that the English feel that their tradition needs to be included in every facet of folk music (folkie colonialism?)"

Yawn - change the record - the folkie equivalent of Godwin's Law. Those days are gone, and very few English hold a candle for colonialism, just the tory toffs and their cohorts running the country. We just want to join in on an equal footing (actually, I don't as I love Irish trad bestest) because it looks great fun. I love the American musicians, and can watch Lunny and McGoldrick until the cows come home. Jerry Douglas is brilliant.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 07:43 PM

It might be interesting to consider the following:

A great many numbers of Irish and Scottish people emigrated to America (Some would consider they were forced by English oppression). Quite a number of my own ancestors were displaced and made the journey across the pond from Scotland. And to my knowledge most of the songs of exile, transportation and emigration have their origins in such. That said I'm sure there are some of english origin which somebody will popint out to me before long.

There were undoubtedly some English who made the same journey. However, I have no idea what percentage in relation to Scots and Irish were forced to make the journey through oppression in England. (No doubt someone will know)

If by any chance that percentage is very small compared to the Scots and Irish. Then maybe that's why there isn't much English music incorporated in the programme.

Regards from someone who was born in Germany to an English mother and Scottish father who spent the first four years of his life in China followed by various short sojourns in Scotland and England with fourteen years in Wales three years in Shetland followed by another three years in Wales and who now lives in the Sovereign country of Yorkshire.

CC

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 08:23 PM

Point!!

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: melodeonboy
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 03:04 AM

I really enjoyed it. Good all round, but I particularly liked the Dirk Powell/Sam Bush song, the lady with the wonderful voice singing in Gaelic (sorry, I can't remember her name!) and the Bela Fleck tune.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Johnny J
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 09:40 AM

Now you all know how we felt after the Folk Britannia series....

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 07:13 PM

No matter which part of the world you live in, you can view, in their entirety, the first four programmes of the 5th series of Transatlantic Sessions by visiting the following links.

Programme 1
Programme 2
Programme 3
Programme 4

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:51 PM

The best singer of this series for me has to be Muireann Nic Amhlaoibh from Danu: beautiful voice and totally unaffected delivery of songs.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:12 PM

I said virtually the same thing on the thread about "The Leaving of Liverpool," TB. With her song on programme five, the "Leaving of Limerick," being very similiar.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Peter C
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 06:06 AM

Thanks Murray MacLeod for the links - they will keep me going until the DVD is released!

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 09:14 PM

Hi BobKnight,
Hadn't seen the post to which you refer, and haven't yet watch episodes 4 or 5 - got them to look forward to as I've recorded them!

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 06:32 AM

Well TB - you're in for a treat Muireann sings the song beautifully and Sharon Shannon has a lovely melodeon solo too - prefect.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 06:34 AM

Ooops - sorry about the typo, I meant "perfect."

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: melodeonboy
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 07:51 PM

Don't be sorry. A female melodeon player dressed as a prefect might do things for me! :)

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 05 Nov 11 - 12:37 PM

Programme 5 now available to view

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 03:21 AM

Brilliant stuff, great musicianship. It doesn't get better than this.

I think the drummer, James Mackintosh, is a model of taste and restraint.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 04:35 PM

He's a great bloke too: he was percussion tutor at the recent Blazin' in Beauly week.

I'll watch out for the prefect tonight then! (Of course Sharon Shannon is one of my role models!)

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 07:36 PM

I have just found this link to the whole series which is in MP4 format....pretty good quality.....great show

Link Here

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 08:00 PM

The first link goes to something called Stairway to Heaven (I suspect that this site belongs to GUEST,Folky)There are further links on the front page those links go to a torrent download site each file is 163.70 MB I went in with my firewall up, just in case, I personally wouldn't advise anyone to access these files,as you never know what special free gifts (the ones that keep giving and giving) might come down with the files. Ultimately, though, it's up to the individual.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 09:13 PM

Yes, I felt the same way, and decided not to download from that site. I'll just wait for Murray's link to Episode 6 (thanks, Murray!)

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 10:25 PM

Programme 4:

A brilliant, rendition of Richard Thompson's Dimming of the Day sung by Alison Krauss

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 03:33 AM

Alison and Union Station were superb at the Birmingham Symphony Hall last Friday. 'Dimming of The Day' was one of the highlights.
Might Jerry twist Ali's arm to come over for the Transatlantic Sessions Live tour? We can always hope.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BobKnight
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 05:11 AM

I've thought all the way throough this series that the vocals were too submerged in the mix, until it came to programme number five, when they were very clear. "The Dimming Of The Day" suffered from this in my opinion, especially when Alison is on the lower notes.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 05:49 AM

All sounded fine on my TV through the Home Cinema system, Bob. Maybe it's something to do with the way the sound is 'engineered' - possibly to suit one type of setup, but which makes it less suitable for another (a bit like the way films and music sound great through my HCS, but speech programmes are better direct through the telly's own little speakers)?

All too tecknickle for me!   :-)

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:37 AM

I've had no problems with my sound, but such things, like backwoodsman r wey tu teknickel fore mee...

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:01 PM

Guys there is nothing wrong with the links, I can assure you I don't own the site or have anything to do with it. It's just I found these links when I was searching the internet for the series and have downloaded them myself and have checked them for viruses....all clear.Someone said they were Torrent Files, they are nothing of the sort, obviously you don't know what a Torrent file is!! The site appears to be a Music Download site which has mainly music (from folk to jazz on it but mostly rock music) If you don't want to download them then that is up to you but you truly are missing a great show. The only thing wrong with them is that they are mp4 versions but still are great quality from a quality Series. I hope, like you they get money to make another series. I have already bought the 4 series on DVD and have booked the fifth but this will do in the meantime till I get the fifth series on DVD.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:07 PM

Here are the links again:-

Episode 1

Episode One Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:07 PM

I've already watched them except for episode six and I've ordered the DVD I can wait.....

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:10 PM

Episode 2
Filesonic Link
Fileserve Link

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:12 PM

Episode 3
Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:13 PM

Episode 4
Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:14 PM

Episode 5
Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST,Folky
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:16 PM

Episode 6
Fileserve Link
Filesonic Link

ENJOY

PS Sorry I had to upload them on individual posts but this thread wouldn't let do it completely in one post.... I promise there are no hidden nasties in this Post....just great Music

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: BTNG
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:21 PM

Murray MacLeod has already provided reliable links to all the episodes currently available, and you've already posted those links once.

I know what torrents are, I've downloaded a fair number of films oh and music videos too.

Subject: RE: Transatlantic Sessions - Series 5
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 07:23 PM

BTNG.....sorry but I just posted them because maybe someone might like to download them and watch them that haven't seen them before. You must admit, the Series is SUPERB and well worth watching again and again. I just hope the BBC and RTE repeat the series but this time instead of hiding them away in some late night spot or some channel like BBC 4 they put them on BBC1....were they should rightly be