BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:21 PM

I recall in Mudcat's past when we had many more transparent professionals such as district attorneys and lawyers that were chased away by trolls like Martin Gibson, nemesis, and Steve.

While I am impervious to their trollism many still are not. I do however get Private Messages regarding the usual suspect's compulsive trollism and ad hominem negative remarks. To these messages, I do say where there is light there is heat. Abusive personalities are as common as TRUMP.

There was a time when people actually believed Steve's claim of being victimized. It was done by pure repetition. Partly through my efforts and Steve's own remarks, many more have come to know the truth.
Some may call his behavior the nature of the social media beast but overall conditions here have improved with new policies as well as ignoring the toothless threats and inane claims.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:36 PM

To me Steve is like a disgraced podcaster who claims that there is a monster living in the woods behind his house.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 12:50 PM

Demented. Poor thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 01:48 PM

Sorry, I know I should be ignoring it but I just cannot let that one go without comment

"I do however get Private Messages regarding the usual suspect's compulsive trollism and ad hominem negative remarks"

How ludicrous! An unproven and unproveable slur against an unnamed person or persons. I may well say that I have had PMs regarding the unusual sexual proclivities of someone who shall remain nameless. It is a despicable and cowardly way of casting doubt about the character of an opponent.

Donuel, if you are going to attack someone at least have the courage to name them and provide some proof of your accusations.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 03:32 PM

For most people the truly extraordinary gets pushed to the corners of the mind if they are able to make sense of them at all.
Proof haha. As if proof ever mattered Steve's remarks.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 04:00 PM

...to Steve's remarks...

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 05:06 PM

I keep saying I see and celebrate the truly extraordinary many times every day in my life, my children, my environment and the world in general. That you seem to seek it elsewhere is your business but please accept that some of us do not need to seek the mysterious and arcane to enjoy life.

As to proof, yes. Once you accuse someone of something, you need to prove it or be seen to make false claims. Simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 05:30 PM

Don the Trump-like-uel:

You have consistently been a spreader of, well, everything. And the reason I compared you explicitly to the former Prez is your similarity in throwing stuff on the wall, window, siding, ceiling, digital window, to see what would stick, some of it logical, some of it not so, some of it interesting, and a hell of a lot of it random memes from random minds. And you definitely definitely have been a new mud-age George Santos, which is why I expect a lot more of your mythomania to be freshly stimulated if not freshly off the "who am I this time" express itself.

Your incredible mental plasticity reminds me of the Sci-Fi movie with the alien who steals neurochemicals from his human victims to manufacture drugs. As he attacks each Earthling he says the same thing:

"I COME IN PEACE!"

Keep up the good work. Maybe you'll grow a brand new brain.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 05:41 PM

"incredible mental plasticity"

In the UK we have a different way of saying the same thing. It goes "mad as a box o' frogs."

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 06:31 PM

I used hypnosis with great success in treating phobias to medical procedures. hypnosis neuro science



I think robo is as confused by The Onion headlines as much as my sense of humor.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 07:20 PM

Before the (pre trial) Grand Jury concludes I will bring to evidence how Steve strongly objects when I am civil, friendly, or respectful to acquaintances of his. That he finds this irksome goes to prove his desire to Troll and acquire a consensus of his hate.
My belief is that there has always been a greater consensus for simple civility however, hate seems to make stronger bonds than love among certain conspiracy theory groups.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 08:03 PM

Completely mad, poor chap. Anyway, there's a nice comet to see with the unromantic name C/2022 E3, currently passing by and just above the handle of the Plough towards the Pole Star. It's green and fuzzy and might brighten up enough by the turn of the month to be a decent naked eye object. My brain didn't really work to find it tonight, which is clear and starry and away from light pollution where we live. Wrap up warm. I have a pair of Carl Zeiss Jena 8x30 binoculars that I bought new 45 years ago for £30. They are the real deal, not one of those thousands of fake CZJs that infest the market. They are absolutely top dog for a bit of casual astronomy. I hadn't a clue how good they were when I bought them. You can't beat naked eyes for meteor showers but the bins are brilliant for comets and for Jupiter's moons. You just need to know exactly where to look, that's all. Grr. I can't quite pick out Buzz Aldrin's footprints in the moondust but I'll keep trying.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 10:46 PM

Look north through Feb.2nd. It won't return for 50,000 years. You're 72 so just think, you have the rest of your life to look forward to.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 04:00 AM

It almost certainly won't return at all. Just think, last time it showed its hand was 10000 years before the Campanian Ignimbrite, in the sky during Neanderthal times.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 04:34 AM

I am not 72.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 06:26 AM

the controversial area of whether human pheromones still work after all these millions of years.

In the science world the only controversy is the word pheromone as a single synthesise-able entity.

There have been many experiments and statistical surveys that point to a combination of nebulous scents that make sense (pun intended). eg

the amount of bare flesh that women might wear at estrous
and the contention that women are more receptive at that time (& more fertile)
Surveys that show women (without knowledge) will favour the part of a park bench that men have sat on previously. & vice cersa.
There was a website that sold womens' underpants (worn for 1 day), and it proved popular.
Experiments with T-shirts worn for a day and presented to the opposite sex with telling questionairs following.

the amygdala/olfactory system often works at the unconscious level.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 06:42 AM

Had those one-day-worn women's knickers been worn by women? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 12:50 PM

I knew the owner of that business. The knickers were worn by his office secretary, it was part of a sideline for his printing business which published a magazine for connoisseurs of underwear. He was well known on the folk scene and a lovely chap.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 12:56 PM

Tommy Ducks, an infamous pub in Manchester which was criminally demolished without permission, had the walls and ceiling of its bar covered in women's knickers! The only rule was that, to be displayed, they had to be still warm :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 04:21 PM

So this is the way your brains work.
You're koo koo for clitty litter.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 04:55 PM

Not at all. We're trying to move away from your repressive bullshit. But you just can't help bringing it back, can you?

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 05:33 PM

It's his sense of humour, Steve. We will never understand it because we are not "special". Excuse me while I go into a serious depression...

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 05:40 PM

Don'l belongs here as much as anyone else. I do not mean to sound condescending, I simply don't care that I do. There's a great internetty word for Don'ls favorite type of subject:

"Deepity"

It can be fun, it can be interesting. Like "Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy" rating of Earth, it is "mostly harmless".

Just remember it's relationship to reality, or topical information may be tenuous, such as when Don'l tries to explain something technical or warn you of current events at the same time as accurately warn you of current events and, of course, correct any inaccuracies.

I long ago left Don'l to his own personal Snopes, whoever that may be. It is not me.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 08:09 PM

There is a reason why 'deepity is fun. surprise

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 23 - 08:13 PM

Yes, more popular potted "science." Why not.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 23 - 07:46 AM

LIEING ABOUT LIARS IS FAIR GAME.

"VP Pense has found classified documents in his home. Not to be outdone George Santos says he has some too."

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 23 - 03:25 PM

With my experience in hypnosis, I have warned about the susceptibility of the human mind to misinformation and conspiracy theories. If you do not remember this over the decades there is something wrong with the usual suspects with no cure.

The question was raised regarding if I believe I am special, which I can not know since I will never know the complete consciousness of others however if you ask if I have had special experiences, the answer is absolutely yes. I have witnessed incidents that defy current physics. I have met and conferred with scientists and astrophysicists
at their homes and establishments. I have been exposed to documents by Bigalo Aerospace. I have reviewed thousands of examples of evidence and hypnotized hundreds of experiencers on video which failed to provide any tangible proof. I have had more experience regarding the ufo phenomenon than the rest of you put together.
Apparently, I have had other experiences others have not had. Experiences make us all different and unique.
If I had a Fritz Zwicky personality it would not have resulted in meeting some great composers and conductors as well as fabulous musicians. I suspect Steve is a bevy short of meeting some great mentors.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 23 - 06:03 PM

Well that was absolutely the crowning glory of bullshit posts. Well done! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 03:21 AM

Had those one-day-worn women's knickers been worn by women? ;-)

Yes. It was a news item on the BBC and the women were interviewed as successful internet entrepreneurs. And they even were about to experiment with day specific wearings!

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 03:22 AM

Not to be outdone George Santos says he has some too.

Don'l - you should know, there ain't no Santos clause. The party of the first part...............

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 03:23 AM

It's a typical "I'm more important than you" post. My experiences are better than yours. The people I have met are smarter. All this without even having met us. I guess I am now included but who knows who the "usual suspects" are!

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 07:27 AM

Methinks Dave is sensitive about his Marvel louse universe Be proud of the artform and the allegories that come from that science fiction.
I think many people forget their accomplishments and let others define what is important. One should define their own experience and ignore the psychopaths who do not share the vision of those who explore the path less taken.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 08:28 AM

In the UK, the particular less-taken path you allege to have taken is known as "having gone up shit creek without a paddle."

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 08:59 AM

While the Donuel Steve feud is microscopic and childish I see the larger issue of dehumanization and toxic tactics of right-wing Republicans, whose aim is to own the left, in my country. When I say right-wing I mean fascist propaganda.

As of late, I can not make a comment without an automatic condemning Steve response. This is his unedited behavior for years. His disinformation is but temporary.      
I did not know I was so dangerous to his mindset or paradigms.
Attacks even on Senofou turned out to be a third rail Steve could not touch. I on the other hand am accused of a BS lifetime and prevarication of all that is sacred to science.

His pendulum swing between victimization and dehumanization is indicative of authoritarian techniques. Polemics aside people will decide to believe as they will. I choose to unravel controversial subjects and am accustomed to such heckling. Thank goodness scientists have prevailed over such robomatic nay sayers.

The only thing that can limit a person in life is their own vision.
People can rise from the lowest positions of life to great heights depending on their vision, not the distractors

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:56 AM

Late in life Amos explored the nature of consciousness. This inspired me to give tribute to this exploration and look more deeply into this fundamental reality. That was the unspoken motivation of this thread, now laid bare for all to see. (All six people)

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 09:59 AM

I'm not alone, pal, just the most vociferous, for my sins. I neither condemn nor misinform, nor do I ever affect the role of victim. It's ironic that you should say that when that last post of yours, along with many others, is so suffused with the lamentations of your own victimhood. Because your input is frequently so error-strewn, unfocused and often downright risible, I'm tempted to think that I shouldn't keep on at you. After all, the others here don't need any of the others among us to see what you're really about, sadly.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 10:05 AM

Your post of 26 Jan 23 - 07:27 AM is utterly non sensical to me Donuel. I have not the slightest idea what you are on about. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 10:09 AM

Yeah yeah I'm the monster and you're the victim.
I'm the live and let live guy and you are whatever, perhaps Saint George.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 10:22 AM

In the meantime there's an asteroid (BU2023) that's going to zoom just 2200 miles above us tonight. The Guardian sez it's the size of a delivery truck. I should be safe then, as most delivery trucks have real trouble getting down the farm lane to our house...

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 10:27 AM

I read you believe in magic and are a fan of Marvel movies. You also wrote a fantasy book. Good for you.

As for me I can not adequately suspend my belief or be impressed by a glowing blue plot device in Marvel movies.

I do not call your remarks nonsensical, its just that tastes differ.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 10:35 AM

2,200 miles is about the distance from you to me. Thats close for an astroid that has already traveled trillions of miles.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 12:16 PM

So far, this lump of rock has been described as the size of a delivery truck, the size of a London Routemaster bus and the size of a minibus. At least most are agreed that it'll miss by about 2200 miles. Bloody astronomers.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 12:58 PM

I am a fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I had a short fantasy story published. I believe in the everyday magic, like sunsets,children and laughter, that occurs around us all the time. So not quite as you put it. Which brings me back to the point I keep making. We are on different levels. Neither are any better or worse, just different. It makes sensible communication impossible so I will just go back to letting it flow over me.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 01:26 PM

The Magic Of Reality is one of my favourite Richard Dawkins books. The title alone is a great way of putting the wonderful diversity of beauty of the natural world, but he doesn't diss fantastical myths and stories out of hand. There's plenty of room for flights of imagination, but real science supported by real evidence is beautiful in itself. What isn't beautiful is when flights of imagination solidify into repressive forces such as religion and political dogma, in the words of Brian McNeill using the Power and the Glory to keep us all in line...

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 02:41 PM

Also what is not beautiful is the Nazi. They are among us
and they have plans.
The cancer of societies is fascism. The unregulated growth of cells in the body politique.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 03:17 PM

I did say that but you clearly weren't listening.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jan 23 - 04:08 PM

They make the laws to chain us well
The clergy dazzle us with heaven, or they damn us into hell
We will not worship the God they serve,
a God of greed who feeds the rich while poor folk starve

Leon Rosselson. The world turned upside down

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 02:12 PM

Steve did not mention Nazi politics. I thought I should.

But this is about consciousness. Actually, panpsychism is the more boring straight forward of the possibilities. Other more rarified notions are often religious concepts of consciousness fields.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 04:59 PM

THERE ARE NO ANSWERS or conclusions for everything but instead everything is a kind of continuum. Whether we look out into space or deep into consciousness we are sometimes tempted to make a theory of everything or find the answer for the beauty of the universe but we probably will not solve the mystery. We have unraveled some of the ingredients and laws of how they fit together but there is no one overarching truth. We can make inroads into the mystery of Gravity but it may be possible to get closer however some people will give up and just blame/praise God.
I can view our lifetime as brief as the appearance of virtual particles popping into existence within the fullness of cosmological time. I can almost conceive of infinity. It is up to your POV to view demonstrable but hidden fields in our universe. The LHC is looking for extra dimensions. Dimensions we do not see is not a strange idea.
The confluence of the obvious nature of time and then knowing what time actually is , is a mystery. We know what time does but not
what it is. Perhaps you thought we should know more than we do. Cosmology is the science of speculation. Even Astrophysics has to leap to assumptions.

Subject: RE: BS: Neuroscience-how your brain really works
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jan 23 - 05:00 PM

Then you don't know how to read posts.