English Fair Fund is BNP Front

Subject: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:33 AM

I received a piece of campaign literature from The Britsh National Party yesterday. Amid the usual carefully concealed racist/chauvinistic gobbledeygook, it contains an item of information which anyone playing English folk music or performing English folk dances should be wary of.

IE., the BNP have set up something called The English Fair Fund. This is to "give grants to help local community groups celebrate St. Georges Day". No mention of the other Patron Saints' days of these isles.

If you get a call from anyone asking you to perform at a St. Georges day event, or anything similar, it would be as well to find out who's funding it.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:42 AM

Thanks Fred.
The BNP have become increasingly active in this area recently with the intention of targeting voters in the forthcoming elections I'll pass this on to folk friends who don't visit this site.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:47 AM

yes ,thanks.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Mr Happy
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:49 AM

Likewise

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:51 AM

If this is the BNP
it's interesting reading .

sal

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 08:16 AM

Let no one be in any doubt exactly what the BNP stand for whatever their public face states.

Nick Griffin, the party chairman, has been trying to defend policies put forward in the BNP's Language And Concepts Discipline Manual, which were leaked to an anti-fascist group and then to the BBC.
He claimed that all Britons of 'ethnic backgrounds' should be called "racial foreigners".

He said the BNP's ultimate aim was the "lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".

He told Radio Four: "Although in civic terms they are British, British also has a meaning as an ethnic description.

These people are 'black residents' of the UK … and are no more British than an Englishman living in Hong Kong is Chinese.

"We don't subscribe to the politically correct fiction that just because they happen to be born in Britain, a Pakistani is a Briton. They're not. They remain of Pakistani stock."

The Archbishop of York, Ugandan-born Dr John Sentamu, who supported the St George's Day celebrations, said the comments were "beyond belief"

Meanwhile, British National Party skinheads are being urged to cover up their shaven scalps as the far-right group seeks to present a new, more respectable image, according to a leaked internal "war book".

The manual for activists also includes ideas for reviving St George's Day traditions to combat the "growing power of Islam".

It warns members not to "express extreme views or advocate violence of any description. Your e-mails are probably less secure than you think".


According to some reports 'Polling experts believe the antiimmigration party led by Nick Griffin has a chance of picking up its first seats in the European parliament in June by capitalising on recession-fuelled rows over "British jobs for British workers".'

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 14 May 09 - 08:55 AM

Watch out for the Steadfast Trust, too. They are a registered charity (a fact which is probably causing the Charity Commissioners to kick themselves) with the stated aim of helping ethnic Anglo-Saxons. Ahem, quite.

One of their ambitions is to hold a national festival of English traditional music - laudable in itself, but not if it's going to be used for extremely nasty political ends. Last year they also tried to make it look as if they were responsible for various St George's Day events by the way they listed things that other people had organised on their website.

We've had a brief brush with them in Sussex. They'd probably like to get a reputation as organisers.

Everyone's free to their own opinions, of course, but I'd recommend treating this bunch with extreme caution.

Valmai

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:00 AM

Emma, thank you. What a succinct and clear summary your post was..... incredibly helpful. I have some folks to orient as to the situation there, and I'll print your post for the occasion if that's OK..... in anti-racism work I'm involved with in the US.

~Susan

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Mr Happy
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:00 AM

http://www.steadfasttrust.org.uk/

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:19 AM

Emma B "According to some reports 'Polling experts believe the antiimmigration party led by Nick Griffin has a chance of picking up its first seats in the European parliament in June by capitalising on recession-fuelled rows over "British jobs for British workers".'

Because the European elections have a very poor turnout, and because the count is based on proportional representation, the BNP don't have to get all that many votes to win seats. For god's sake tell absolutely everybody to turn out and use their vote. Whatever you choose to vote, it will diminish the chances of the BNP.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:36 AM

Nick Griffin, who ousted Tyndall (a lifelong Nazi activist who once declared "Mein Kampf Hitler' is my bible") as BNP leader in 1999, was convicted of incitement to racial hatred in 1998 for publishing The Rune, an antisemitic magazine.

During his trial Griffin stuck by his claims that the Nazi Holocaust had not taken place. "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades," he said in court.

"I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria."


'Mark Collett (born 3 October 1980) is a former chairman of the Young BNP, the youth division of the British National Party (BNP), and is Director of Publicity for the Party'

Quotes from Mark Collett -

On Jews:
"There's not a European country the Jews haven't been thrown out of. When it happens that many times, it's not just persecution. There's no smoke without fire."

On Aids:
"A friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it."

On whether British-born blacks are British:
"Just because a dog is brought up in a stable doesn't make him a horse."

On Adolf Hitler:
"Hitler will live forever; and maybe I will."

On Winston Churchill:
"Churchill was a f*****g c**t who led us into a pointless war with other whites [i.e.The Nazis] standing up for their race".

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:45 AM

Aoart from the BNP, the only other sponsors of St georges day folk events I knew was Watney's ( St georges taverns). Sad to say london Morris teams sometimes sold their soull for a pint of Red Barrell ( had to get the rust off the bells with something!!) in the 70's. The whols idea of the day is politically laden, never was a folk day, may 1st or Whitsun, yes.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:45 AM

A correction to my earlier post - the Steadfast Trust exists to help 'the ethnic English'. Hen dentistry springs to mind.

Valmai

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: goatfell
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:49 AM

no one in britian is pure blood we all have come from somewhere else

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 14 May 09 - 09:50 AM

Thank you for this, Emma B.

I duly went to the site (know your enemy . . . ), and I think I shall have to stop wearing my Croes Celtaidd (Celtic cross) until after the elections.

I wear it for culture : I am not a christian. However : for such a potent symbol, christian or otherwise, to be associated with BNP has disgusted me.

It is, I think, worth reminding ourselves that Hitler came to power during a recession . . .

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:01 AM

Simon Darby (the Deputy Chairman and National Press Officer of the BNP), who works at the Greater London Authority** attended a conference of 'European nationalists' in Milan last month.

He appeared alongside French National Front MEP Bruno Gollnisch and Italian far-Right MEP Roberto Fiore to discuss policies ahead of June's European Parliament elections.

Mr Gollnisch was convicted in 2007 of Holocaust denial after he questioned the existence of the gas chambers.

Mr Fiore, leader of the Forza Nuova party, was hunted by police after the Bologna station massacre in which 85 people died in 1980. Far-Right terrorists were blamed for the attack.
He was later cleared of involvement but convicted of "subversive association" and sentenced to nine years in prison.

Nazi salute for far right leaders in Milan


** Mr Darby became a salaried employee at City Hall after the breakthrough victory by Richard Barnbrook, the first BNP representative on the London Assembly last year. He is employed, at taxpayer's expense, as a personal assistant to Mr Barnbrook, who was also the party's mayoral candidate.

A report The Times last November said that he admitted that he regularly used his City Hall office to work in his capacity as the BNP's media spokesman, a job that is unrelated to his publicly funded position.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: TheSnail
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:21 AM

Bryn Pugh

I think I shall have to stop wearing my Croes Celtaidd (Celtic cross) until after the elections.

Don't do that, Bryn. That's handing it over to the Nasties. Wear it with pride and give anybody a mouthful if they accuse you of being in the BNP. It would be like not singing John Barleycorn just because Nick Griffin sings it at the end of BNP meetings.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:31 AM

The Snail. "It would be like not singing John Barleycorn just because Nick Griffin sings it at the end of BNP meetings."

Does he? Which JB is it, the one about growing and harvesting the stuff and turning it into beer, or the other one; "John Barleycorn is a hero bold;As any in the land. His fame has stood for ages good,
And forever shall stand. The whole wide world respects him, No matter friend or foe,And where they be that makes him Too free he's sure to lay them low." ?

I belong to an an agitprop choir and we use the former, actually the version which Edith Fowke collected from OJ Abbott of Quebec. I'm certainly not going to stop singing it because of that Nazi fruitcake. I'm not going to stop drinking English beer either.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: TheSnail
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:38 AM

Not actually having been to a BNP meeting, I couldn't say but the principle remains the same, don't let the bastards take over the things we value whether it be Celtic Crosses, our songs or our beer.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front; PC and WHite G
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:41 AM

One of the worst effects of racism and classism is how guilt over them stop good things in the world while people are hit by that sense of guilt (regret, resolve to not be party to it, etc etc, all of which I lump under the inadequate term "guilt"). The good that people can do gets held up, suppressed, co-opted into the ugly evilness.

At a link above, the "Lost White Boys" for example I am sure DOES apply to many kids, but not for the reasons given and not amenable to the "cures" suggested. The good that could be done for kids gets sucked down the "don't wanna be racist" drain. The Celtic cross Bryn mentions, the songs that would have cheered and strengthened people via Fair Fund-- even one or two in the mix of ugliness that might occur-- all that goes corrupted. Another thread talked about how white USers felt learning of a verse usually not performed, in a spiritual, stops the song when they find the horror that verse describes.


We must keep singing through that sense of "what do I do now," and we must keep connecting in diversity. We must not let fear of offending stop us in our tracks-- we must learn ways to work together, through that fear, and to a better approach. We must not let that which is designed to divide, divide us after all, or shut us up.

~S~

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:50 AM

Battle for Britain campaign

Well the BNP is not only anti semitic, anti black, anti Islam etc but its manifesto for the European elections favours banning Eastern European migrant workers and, in particular, to send legitimate Polish workers back to Poland.
Simon Darby said "I mean how would the Polish people feel if their government started letting in millions of Vietnamese and letting them work for three bowls of rice a day."

In recent local elections the party has campaigned from a strong anti-immigrant platform and in March unveiled new poster to front its upcoming campaign for the European elections **.

The poster shows a nostalgic, sepia toned picture of a Spitfire - the fighter that helped turn the tide against the German Luftwaffe during WW2 - above the headline "Battle for Britain".

A closer inspection of the poster however has revealed that the Spitfire was actually flown by Polish pilots during Battle of Britain, in fact 303 Squadron - the astonishingly brave regiment of Polish fighter pilots who were rescued from France and battled the Nazis over the skies of England !!


( ** Despite being bitterly opposed to the current EU, the BNP desperately wants to get an MEP elected this summer because it will unlock a shedload of funding )

Subject: English Fair Fund, BNP, PC and White Guilt
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 May 09 - 11:18 AM

PS, a hi with salute to Bryn-- one of the most "multiculturally competent" Catters. I learned that term recently in some other studies, as it refers to people able to deal with folks of all sorts, effectively.

~S~

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 14 May 09 - 11:36 AM

Emma. "The poster shows a nostalgic, sepia toned picture of a Spitfire - the fighter that helped turn the tide against the German Luftwaffe during WW2 - above the headline "Battle for Britain".

That is the self-same logo which appears on the election communication which was delivered to me yesterday in the post. But how have you identified it as belonging to 303 Squadron? I can't see anything to indicate thus.

In any event, it would not be the first time the far right have tripped themselves up like this. I remember a National Front poster which purported to show large numbers of Black people in a shopping centre "somewhere in Britain". It emerged in fact that the photograph was taken in Kingston, Jamaica.

"Despite being bitterly opposed to the current EU, the BNP desperately wants to get an MEP elected this summer because it will unlock a shedload of funding).

That's not the only reason. The BNP seem to be forging unions with fascist parties, some of whom are already represented in the European Parliament. (And beyond Europe in fact. There was an interesting report in Saturday's Independent about them cosying up to South African millionaires who want to see apartheid reintroduced in South Africa.)

I don't think this is just a case of compadres with a common cause. Rather, I think the BNP, and the other European fascists have adopted some of the idea of survivalism, which has been knocking round far right circles for years. Basically, they believe that all the world's races which aren't Anglo-Saxon-Aryan are genetically degenerate, a drag on the white master race, and have been feather bedded by a combination of evolutionary circumstance and the benevolent good nature, energy and foresight of the ASAs.

However, they also believe that all this feather bedding, along with climate change, fossil fuel shortages etc., is leading the whole world into a doomed apocolypse, and that the human race will end up slaughtering each other for what's left of the world's resources. Rather like the script of a Mad Max movie. The winners of this diabolical debacle will of course be the fittest and strongest and the smartest, IE., the white races. It is in fact a very warped version of Darwin's law of survival. Therefore, to prepare for Armageddon, the European fascist parties plan to forge a Union of European fascist states, along with like minded souls elsewhere. EG. white South Africans.

With this accomplished, Europe becomes a virtual fortress, with Europe fighting the Third World, and quite likely Russia and China, for what's left of the world's resources, and destroying most of the world's peoples in the process.

A frightening scenario, and one which will be familiar to anyone who's read 1984, or carefully studied the BNP website.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 14 May 09 - 11:48 AM

( ** Despite being bitterly opposed to the current EU, the BNP desperately wants to get an MEP elected this summer because it will unlock a shedload of funding )

Isn't their hypocrisy amazing? Nick Griffin and his thugs certainly have alot to answer for. My father would turn over in his grave if he saw that Spitfire poster. (He fought in the Battle of Britain,for something Griffin and Co. wouldn't understand even if they fell over it in the street)

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 11:59 AM

Fred, I confess that I learned of the identity of the Spitfire from a reported statement by a spokesperson at the Royal Air Force museum who was quoted as saying:

"The Spitfire in the poster can be identified as belonging to 303 Squadron of the Polish Air Force by the code letters 'RF' painted in front of the RAF roundel.

"303 Squadron operated Spitfires from Northolt, Kirton-in-Lindsey, Coltishall and other RAF stations in the UK between 1941 and 1945 after flying Hurricanes in the Battle of Britain."

I suspect that this was the first way the BNP did too :)

In fact I have a tenuous family link with the squadron as my mother, before meeting my father, was engaged to a Polish pilot who was one of the many who lost their lives.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Emma B
Date: 14 May 09 - 12:18 PM

btw it isn't going to stop me drinking English beer - ('warm' - of course) either!

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Ian cookieless
Date: 14 May 09 - 04:09 PM

Thank goodness: a thread that has intelligent people making incisive comments about the BNP (unlike some other Mudcat threads - may this one stay sane).

I, too, looked at the BNP site (link above), having had their vile and scary leaflet through my door today. Scary because it tell lies that are widely believed. Scary because the underlying motivation of everything in it is racist hatred. Scary because I keep hearing people locally say phrases that it is obvious they don't know the meaning of and have just picked up from the BNP. I know it's the BNP because these people claim the BNP are not racist, just nationalist, and it isn't the same thing ... apparently. Any discussion I try to have with them - about different sorts of nationalisms, that the historical roots and future intentions of nationalism are key, that nationalism is different in nature when it tries to defend an oppressed people than when it justifies that oppression - is just met with blank looks. They don't know their history or their politics. Thinking or analysing is too difficult for these people.   

Back to that scary website. Racist criminal Nick Griffin has the following on it. When someone writes this sort of ridiculous garbage, where oh where do you start the deconstruction?

"Flicking burning matches into boxes of gelignite! That's the only way to describe the irresponsible antics of the far-left as they use the distant conflict in Gaza as an excuse to wind up young Muslims. Their aim is to spark clashes with the police that would 'radicalise' the Muslim community in the hope that they could then be recruited to Marxist revolutionary organisations such as the Socialist Workers Party and Respect.

"Just how frighteningly close these white atheist cranks are to sparking riots that could tear many parts of Britain apart can be judged from the two pieces of video footage accompanying this report."

What *really* scares me is that those local people I mentioned earlier are what you might think of as 'nice' people on the surface, but they make excuses for the BNP's criminal past and try to tell me they're not like that now. They are ripe and ready for the BNP. I wish I could be persuaded that my fears are ungrounded. My experience tells me otherwise.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 14 May 09 - 04:14 PM

Murder has been committed in the name of the BNP. For details get hold of a copy of Billy Bragg's A Progressive Patriot.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 May 09 - 05:32 PM

Am I the only one who thinks it ironic that the BNP are campaigning to recognise St George's day - when he wasn't English and probably never visited England? In fact, he was more likely to be one of these 'racial foriegners' they are trying to 'repatriate'.

LTS

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 May 09 - 06:37 PM

Don't forget that you can check out their (very strange) membership: download a spreadsheet of their membership a couple of years agoi at Wikileaks.

You'll be shocked, then amused, to see your local puffed up nonentities there.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Peace
Date: 14 May 09 - 07:53 PM

"Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: TheSnail - PM
Date: 14 May 09 - 10:21 AM

Bryn Pugh

I think I shall have to stop wearing my Croes Celtaidd (Celtic cross) until after the elections.

Don't do that, Bryn. That's handing it over to the Nasties. Wear it with pride and give anybody a mouthful if they accuse you of being in the BNP. It would be like not singing John Barleycorn just because Nick Griffin sings it at the end of BNP meetings.

Excellent statement by TheSnail. May have to stop arguing with him.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: banksie
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:04 AM

"lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".

That probably means most of the population, including most of the BNP membership. I wish I could remember the guy's name but there was a TV show I saw a year or two ago in which a proudly racist individual and (I think) a BNP activist - claiming to to be `Brit' through and through - had his ancestry traced and found that his great grandfather had actually come from somewhere like Romania or Armenia and had created an entirely false history once he'd been naturalised.

I just love the way they go on about Anglo-Saxons, forgetting that they were, of course, just another group of `bloody foreigners' invading these green and pleasant lands. If they want to be `British' I would guess their best chance would be to move to north west Wales - oh, and learn the language too.

And the worst thing is, I feel, that the BNP are the worst kind of `little Englanders' who assume that, once we've got rid of everybody we don't like that things here will be, some how, OK. I suspect most of the population will by then be trying their hand at illegal/economic emigration into countries like Poland to try and find work, for their won't be much here. And as we will be out of Europe (if they have their way) we'll find them all being shipped back here in chains or similar.

They are, in the end, built totally on a cheap trick that the human always falls for - pick someone as `the enemy', blame everything on them, and get the population to persecute the hell out of them rather than face up to the real issues.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:22 AM

Thanks for starting the thread, Fred, and for the useful info, Emma B. We need to make sure we get the maximum turnout at the European elections here in the North West, otherwise there's every chance they'll get an MEP elected on the back of voter apathy.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Will Fly
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:25 AM

banksie:
I wish I could remember the guy's name but there was a TV show I saw a year or two ago in which a proudly racist individual and (I think) a BNP activist - claiming to to be `Brit' through and through - had his ancestry traced and found that his great grandfather had actually come from somewhere like Romania or Armenia and had created an entirely false history once he'd been naturalised.

The presenter was the art critic Andrew Graham-Dixon and the programme, on Channel 4, was one of the best and most incisive of the year. Carol Thatcher participated and was shown DNA evidence that her family had roots in, among other places, the Middle East. I recall very well the most vociferous of "Brits" who had all sorts of nasty "foreign" origins - he could barely speak when presented with the evidence. One very hoity-toity woman threatened to sue the programme makers, but I believe nothing came of it.

Anyone with a modicum of sense - particularly anyone who's delved deeply into their family history (as I have for nearly 30 years) - will know that you just can't play these silly BNP-style race games. In fact, they're not going on race, as such, merely on skin colour, i.e. the bleeding obvious. Such stupidity is mind-boggling. I think it was possibly Joan Armatrading who, when asked if she'd like to be given money to go "home", replied, "What - to Birmingham?"

Simple mathematics (x2) will tell you that, unless you know the exact origins of all ancestors (2 parents, 4 gandparents, 8 g-grandparents, 16 g-g-grandparents, 32 g-g-g-grandparents, etc.), assumptions about being being a "true Brit" or anything else are cuckoo.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:30 AM

I experienced a rather scary moment on St George's day of this year. I was walking back home through a housing estate, here in S. Manchester (an estate which is ethnically mixed - although mainly white, working class). I first noticed lots of red and white crosses of St. George in upstairs windows - but it was when I encountered a toddler with her face painted with a Union Jack that I experienced a strong feeling of unease. Was all of this a manifestation of the Far Right - or just my imagination?

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:38 AM

He said the BNP's ultimate aim was the "lawful, humane and voluntary repatriation of the resident foreigners of the UK".

Saw one of those on telly the other day. Oh, he speaks English well enough now, but he's not one of us let me tell you. Wasn't even born here. Classic example of foreigners waltzing in here, taking up positions that could perfectly well have been occupied by true-born Brits, depriving us of our opportunities in our own country. And I'll tell you what else, he's even had the nerve to marry one of ours, then bring up a whole family and make out that they're English! Second-generation resident foreigners, more like. And none of them have got proper jobs - they're all living off our taxes. Disgusting.

Prince Philip, I think his name was.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Anne Lister
Date: 15 May 09 - 06:29 AM

What has boggled my mind is the slogan on their leaflet "because we've earned the right", followed by the names of various battles, starting with Trafalgar and ending with the Falklands.
Have they looked at army lists and worked out precisely how many of our soldiers came from suitable blood lines? Somehow I doubt it. And are they saying that only families who have provided cannon fodder for all these battles have "earned the right"?

But if that is what they're saying, then it's a far more varied range of blood lines than they're suggesting, including 303 Squadron.

I particularly liked the statement on the leaflet by the hospital doctor who had seen what immigration "has done to the NHS". Yup. Provided a lot of doctors, consultants and nursing staff, that's what.

Anne

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 15 May 09 - 06:30 AM

The BNP has had only two leaders since its founding in the early 1980s.Griffin's predecessor , the late John Tyndall, can be seen on "google images" dressed in full nazi uniform posing with two fellow nazis under a framed photograph of Hitler and in front of a swastika.
Griffin,likewise on google images, can also be seen in his "white power" shirt at some racist demonstration.
What a pair of unsavoury thugs.Tyndall had six serious criminal convictions while his successor was convicted of incitement to racial hatred back in 1998.
ifor

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 May 09 - 06:42 AM

I think you'll find that quite a lot of Prince Philip's ancestors, apart from the Greeks and the Germans, were English.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 15 May 09 - 07:31 AM

Huh. Bunch of filthy inbreds - send 'em all back to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha...

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 May 09 - 07:44 AM

I am outraged that the GLA employs extremists. I suggest those who feel the same should email [e-mail] as avised by gla press and pr officer.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 May 09 - 08:03 AM

Don't think for one minute what happened in Europe in the 1930s/40s can't happen again. The ethnic cleansing in Bosnia is still recent history.

it only takes a handful of extremists to get a foothold for things to get out of control. Historically the Nazis were a minority party which had virtually no creditability. The rate by which they came to power is frightening.

Unfortunately, election campaigning, even by the major parties, is based on criticising the incumbant government with little or no reference to what they would do differently, if anything at all. The campaigns usually say vote for us for a ..whatever... Britain. How, What, When... a slight lack of commitment.

Im sure that BNPs literature wont be to the effect of vote for us and we will promote divide and rule and blame it all on minorities....

The BNP and other far right parties in Europe are worrying and the implications are something I might go into at a later date.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Joe P
Date: 15 May 09 - 08:39 AM

Following the MP claims scandal, the response from most people I speak to seems to be to not bother voting. That could be dangerous.

Maybe there should be a 'not the BNP' choice on the vote slip, for such people who dont particularly want to vote for anyone else.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 15 May 09 - 08:49 AM

"Following the MP claims scandal, the response from most people I speak to seems to be to not bother voting"
The reaction of one young man on television a couple of nights ago to this was "I'm voting for the BNP this time". It is getting very worrying!!

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 15 May 09 - 09:27 AM

Paul Burke. "Don't forget that you can check out their (very strange) membership: download a spreadsheet of their membership a couple of years ago at Wikileaks."

That list has been useful to me on a couple of occasions. In particular, a former member of a one time famous English folk group (I won't name him for fear of causing embarressment), told me the other day that a cousin of his had been a member of a fascist organisation in the early 1960s. He then explained how said folk group had gone to a public meeting to hear a speaker from the newly created republic of Ghana. Some nutter at the back throws a bottle of acid at the platform. The group chase him outside. There, on the other side of the road, is a fascist demonstratation and in the middle of the demonstration is this bloke's cousin. All in the past, he thinks. Nothing more than youthful folly, in fact.

I asked him what the bloke's name was. He told me. I looked him up. Name, address and former occupation all tallied. The guy is still alive and still active and he is now a member of the BNP.

Never trust the leopard to change its spots.

Anne. "I particularly liked the statement on the leaflet by the hospital doctor who had seen what immigration "has done to the NHS". Yup. Provided a lot of doctors, consultants and nursing staff, that's what."

That struck me too. I've just spent a couple of days in hospital and I can tell you the proportion of "non-Britons" on the hospital staff far outweighed the proportion of "non-Britons" in the hospital beds.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: GUEST,Guest Rupert
Date: 15 May 09 - 10:16 AM

Just sent this to the Guardian and a couple of locals - the more the merrier to show them for what they are. Thanks to Emma B for the information.

As every schoolboy will know the Spitfire was a jolly handy thing to have had around during the last world war, however, like the Union Flag it seems to have been adopted by the BNP as an ever enduring symbol of total Britishness. Had their schoolboys in residence done their homework they would have found the plane they have used in their publicity was one flown by Polish pilots during the Battle of Britain, in fact 303 Squadron - the astonishingly brave regiment of Polish fighter pilots who were rescued from France and battled the Nazis over the skies of England.
Perhaps the BNP thought it was a plumber making his way back home.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 15 May 09 - 11:23 AM

Britannia, she's half English, she speaks Latin at home
St George was born in the Lebanon, how he got here I don't know
And those three lions on your shirt,
They never sprang from England's dirt
Them lions are half English and I'm half English too.

- England Half English. Billy Bragg

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: paula t
Date: 15 May 09 - 04:27 PM

We received the BNP leaflet today. It went straight into the bin. It's bad enough that I shout at the telly and radio 4 - without standing in the kitchen shouting at a piece of paper too!

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Paul Burke
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:50 PM

It was of course a depression and useless mainstream politicians that let a previous idiot into power.

Votr. Votr Green.

Subject: RE: English Fair Fund is BNP Front
From: Paul Burke
Date: 15 May 09 - 05:50 PM

Sorry, the battery in by ketboard has packed uo.