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Subject: MySpace policies - ? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 09 Jun 06 - 03:21 PM Interesting food for thought in today's The Register (www.theregister.co.uk) - Billy Bragg has taken his songs off. There has also been some consternation in other forums over the attempted hi-jacking of another well-respected artist's work & name (he's a Mudcatter so I'll leave him to speak for himself if he cares to). Text of Bragg article is here, and I'll try to put a clickie at the bottom because the text contains several links. Billy Bragg prompts Myspace rethink All your content belongs to Rupert? By Andrew Orlowski Myspace says it's revising its legal terms and conditions after songwriter Billy Bragg withdrew his songs from the website in protest. Myspace is owned by Rupert Murdoch's News International, a bete noir for Bragg for more than 20 years. On 18 May, Bragg's management withdrew the song files, citing the T&Cs. Bragg said the terms allowed News International to reuse his content without remunerating the artist. "The real problem is the fact that they can sub-license it to any company they want and keep the royalities themselves without paying the artist a penny. It also doesn't stipulate that they can use it for non-commercial use only which is what I'd want to see in that clause. The clause is basically far to open for abuse and thus I'm very wary." It's the return of the old favorite, the ambiguous ownership contract. Myspace is actually using a boilerplate text designed to allow it to republish the content. Five years ago Microsoft was forced to change a similar, but even more acquisitive click through contract. Microsoft's Passport sign-on permitted the company to: Use, modify, copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, publish, sublicense, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any such communication. The terms included the right to grab trademarks and business plans. Microsoft retreated after a storm of protest. But Redmond wasn't the first to attempt this, nor has it been the last. Apple had introduced a similar click through before retreating, and two years ago Google attached almost identical terms to its Orkut service. That was in 2004, the bloggers' love affair with the ad giant was still untarnished, and very little protest was heard. In response to Bragg, Myspace says the T&Cs are confusing and affirmed that it had no claim on artists' materials. "Because the legalese has caused some confusion, we are at work revising it to make it very clear that MySpace is not seeking a license to do anything with an artist's work other than allow it to be shared in the manner the artist intends," Jeff Berman told the New York Daily News. "Obviously, we don't own their music or do anything with it that they don't want." All clear? Not quite. In the much hyped "Web 2.0" world of "user generated content", punters are expected to contribute their works for commercial exploitation for nothing. While MySpace is pretty unambiguous about copyright, exploitation isn't so much a distant temptation, but an integral part of its business. You can find the T&Cs here.® Link (I hope): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/08/blly_bragg_myspace/ |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 09 Jun 06 - 06:41 PM This has been discussed at length elsewhere. Most agree that there is nothing sinister in the terms, which are required to ease the day to day running of myspace. See www.longdogs.co.uk and the bbc board for the debate. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: John O'L Date: 09 Jun 06 - 07:13 PM That's comforting. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 09 Jun 06 - 08:40 PM I trust them SOOOOO much.... just so much, and no further... |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 09 Jun 06 - 09:12 PM "Most agree that there is nothing sinister in the terms, which are required to ease the day to day running of myspace." "A word means just what I want it to mean" said Humpty Dumpty. "But..." said Alice... With all those clever highly paid lawyers on staff, having put out something that many people clearly believe gives the shysters free run, why would they do that unless they really wanted to? And if they are really so stupid as really not to be able to tell the difference, why would you REALLY want to deal with them anyway? This 'trick' (think $2 whore!) has been tried on before many times, and only when sufficient resistance built up, did those trying it on back away from it. Remember, all those highly paid lawyers CLAIM that they are EXPERTS on 'precedent'... which is WHY they charge so much... And if nobody is looking, well, maybe we can make money out of it... Check out the TOS of 'Cafepress' now... :-) |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: CarolC Date: 09 Jun 06 - 10:22 PM How is this thread not about music? |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 10 Jun 06 - 04:20 AM Dunno Carol. -------- I think foolestroupe has it right, and sorry Guest 9 June, 6:41PM, it is something to be concerned about. Read the new terms and conditions carefuly remembering that they may well apply what they say there. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Jun 06 - 06:53 AM "How is this thread not about music? " Because some narrow minded anal retentive made a ... well whatever... - and I can now say that since this is now hidden in BS... :-P |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 10 Jun 06 - 07:09 AM I was wondering myself why this thread got banished below stairs but didn't want to sound whiny. Thanks for saying it for me, you guys - |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: mack/misophist Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:04 AM It may be worth remembering that Rupert Murdoch owns MySpace.com. Do you trust him? |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:18 AM Haha! |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:54 AM Sure. Just as far as I could shot-put a grand piano. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:57 AM This thread is not about music because for the same reason some threads are closed, some posts are deleted, and some members have left this forum: lousy judgement and/or impaired reasoning on the part of one or more forum moderators. And this thread will doubtlessly remain not about music because getting some of our moderators to own up to their lousy judgement and impaired reasoning is pretty damned unlikely. (And, Joe, I've already printed a copy of this post, shredded it, stuffed it into my sanctimonious pipe and am smoking it as I finish typing. I've smoked better, but it's not bad.) |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:05 AM hahahahaha....meow....meow...meow |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Metchosin Date: 10 Jun 06 - 11:53 AM Bee-dubya-el, I think it less likely that it was lousy judgement and/or impaired reasoning and more just plain insular ignorance. After all, it wasn't Pete Seeger that pulled out. Or maybe Rupert Murdoch told them personally that this thread was BS. LOL |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Jun 06 - 12:39 PM The thread was moved to non-music because I made an honest mistake and saw a lot of words and didn't notice the reference to music. When such things happen, the appropriate response is to ask nicely and privately that the thread be moved to the music section, which is what Bonnie did. Accusations and excoriations are not particularly warranted or appreciated. This would be a much more peaceable world, if people could only realize that our fellow human beings do make mistakes (as we do ourselves), and that mistakes should not be viewed as hostile actions and excuses for counterattack. The Clones I have no reason to move a thread or do other editing actions for sinister reasons. Why would we bother? Please don't accuse us of such. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 10 Jun 06 - 01:32 PM Dewy-eyed Friends Of MySpace (and thus, by association, apologists for the Dirty Digger of Wapping who smashed the UK print unions two decades ago and who inflicted Fox TV on our transatlantic cousins) take a very blinkered view of the implications of meekly handing over all rights to their work just for a bit of free publicity. Guest 6.41 pm says: Most agree that there is nothing sinister in the terms. Most? On the fRoots forum AND even at the BBC, rather a lot of warning bells have been rung (despite being somewhat swamped by acres of space hijacked by a Longdogs (this is a band fansite) escapee under the illusion that MySpace was about to save the world and solve all its problems). I for one am glad to find that a few are beginning wake up and heed these. Here is a clause recently added to the 'terms and conditions': Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. 1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. Wide-ranging or what? Of course, MySpace is a fun place to poke around in and discover new music that's really worth discovering, though it gets tedious among the excess of dross. But I really don't think Murdoch is in it for the philanthropic purpose of providing the new electronic version of the floor spot at folk clubs. Do you? |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: JedMarum Date: 10 Jun 06 - 03:17 PM I don't see any issues with makin my music or photos available through Mypsace. Nor have I have not heard any issues raised by any of the other widely published and widely dirstributed artists on Mypsace. My agreement with them says that they are not on the hook for paying me royalties for my music. That they can make it available to users of their services. Makes sense to me. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 10 Jun 06 - 03:21 PM Unless you have a different agreement to the rest of the world, it says they can do rather more than that. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 10 Jun 06 - 03:36 PM Billy Bragg is a tosser anyway - Jet Setting self appointed Champion Of The Pretend to be non-existant not-working class. Skinhead turned lefty songwriting moneymaker shit. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 Jun 06 - 05:33 PM Murdoch is a menace to civilisation. Off to read the Myspace terms. Back soon. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 Jun 06 - 05:42 PM Countess Richard has part of the puzzle above. The next bit to look at is the definition of "Services" - "and any other features, content, or applications offered from time to time by MySpace.com in connection with the Website (collectively, the "Services")." So although the licence a user gives to Rupie the Swagman is non-exclusive - it can be for ANYTHING AT ALL that Rupie decides to do with its website. IE Bragg is wholly right. And it gets worse. "MySpace.com may modify this Agreement from time to time and such modification shall be effective upon posting by MySpace.com on the Website. You agree to be bound to any changes to this Agreement when you use the Services after any such modification is posted. It is therefore important that you review this Agreement regularly to ensure you are updated as to any changes" So if Rupie posts a retrospective change to the terms, to validate anything he did in the past that he was not allowed to do, when you next use the website you agree to that retrospective change. It doesn't suprrise me. Not one little bit. For UK "consumers" however the Unfair Terms in consumer contracts regulations might offer some help. However, just to help Rupie stitch users up further, look what you have to do if there is a dispute: - "Disputes. If there is any dispute about or involving the Services, you agree that the dispute shall be governed by the laws of the State of California without regard to conflict of law provisions and you agree to personal jurisdiction by and venue in the state and federal courts of the State of California, City of Los Angeles. Either MySpace.com or you may demand that any dispute between MySpace.com and you arising out of this Agreement must be settled by arbitration utilizing the dispute resolution procedures of the American Arbitration Association (AAA) in Los Angeles, California." Wonder whose side they'd be on then....... |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 10 Jun 06 - 07:57 PM Here's the link to the BBC Myspace thread: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F2142825?thread=2380796 And the fRoots one: http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1292 The benefits of Myspace are huge! At the touch of a button, music is now being whizzed around the world like never before! The other day, on my page, I was playing Seth Lakeman's music and I had a link to his site on the main page. Someone sent me a message, later that day, from Maine in the USA, to say that they'd just heard Seth's music after finding my page and liked it so much that they'd downloaded all three of his CDs from iTunes immediately! Diane (the countess)has been doing her utmost to cause chaos over Myspace, as you'll see in the BBC thread. But..the benefits far outweigh the risks (in my opinion) It is putting artists in touch with other artists and those artists can now also be in touch with their audience too...from a safe and private distance. I can now e mail an artist's page to all sorts of people and say "Here....LISTEN to this music! Isn't it SENSATIONAL!" It is the most magical thing, it really is! Murdoch didn't invent Myspace, he just bought it recently. Ian Anderson of fRoots is behind it, as are other artists on the BBC thread. I'd read what *they* all have to say, before making any decisions on what Diane is saying. There are now over 80 million people in Myspace....there is a whole folk community in there, from musicians to dancers, folk festivals/magazines to radio programmes. It is like it's own music industry now, but one in which we all have a say. Everyone is helping each other, everyone is supportive. If you're paranoid about it all, then just have some samples for people to hear. I've found nearly 600 wonderful musicians from all around the world and some of that music has been staggeringly beautiful! To the extent that I've bought CDs almost immediately!...CDs from artists whom I would probably never, *ever* have heard of if I hadn't been in Myspace. And...they are all here: http://www.myspace.com/lizziecornish And far from going on messageboards to try and put artists OFF Myspace Diane, I'll say once more what I said to you on the BBC, and that is, that perhaps you could do far more good by getting your own page and trying to help all the artists that you admire to spread their music as far as it will reach. Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Richard Bridge Date: 10 Jun 06 - 10:32 PM Lizzie, forget the rose tinted spectacles. As a lawyer, I long ago learned that if someone puts in their contract with you that they can swindle you, they will. It's nothing to do with the benefits - it's the terms and conditions. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 11 Jun 06 - 02:07 AM And pointing out the all important T&C to starry-eyed artists who foolishly imagine The Digger is handing out a free lunch can scarcely be described as 'causing chaos', rather the reverse. There's a growing realisation that it's not just a loss leader to forgo performing rights on four tracks slapped up on your MySpace site in the expectation of selling millions of CDs in compensation. Yet another new clause has just crept in: a back-up or residual copy of the Content posted by you may remain on the MySpace.com servers after you have removed the Content from the Services, and MySpace.com retains the rights to those copies Scary, right? Once you're caught, you're caught. Yes, there are what look like enormous initial benefits in being able to access music more easily by subverting MySpace, loopholes that Rupie's shit-hot lawyers are plugging as fast as they can because, whatever Ms Cornish tries to tell you, Murdoch isn't suddenly in business to give you something for nothing but purely for his usual reasons, to rip off anyone he can. Can you really feel comfortable about colluding in this in the certain knowledge that you are acquiescing to the negation of hard-won artists' rights? Only those who thought it OK to cross the Wapping picket line or who hold NewsInt shares could go along with that. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:12 AM So....the other side of all this then, is to walk away. Shut your music down completely! Own it 100%, lock, stock and barrel! Never let ANYONE hear it EVER....because Heck!...if you do...someone might be recording it! They MIGHT pass it on to their pals, free of charge...and then *they* might do the same.... And worry not that your music is suddenly becoming heard by many people, worry not that those people, far from buying a Myspace Greatest Hits CD will be buying music DIRECT from YOU...and telling their friends, passing your page around the world (I found Seth Lakeman on a Russian one the other day).... Show of Hands of course, have been TELLING people to copy their music for years! At every single gig they stand on stage and give people their permission to record the show, then to copy their music and send it on to others, with their blessings....because they KNOW that whilst they may lose a few CD sales, they will gain many more. And along with those extra CD sales...they will also gain new people who will become part of the Show of Hands world. Many of those people who learnt about Steve and Phil through 'copied' music will, no doubt, be at the third sold out BIG GIG at the Royal Albert Hall next Easter...tickets for which went within days! If someone ELSE owned Myspace Diane, would you be ranting quite so hard??????? How much is this about Murdoch and how much is about Myspace? And do you really think that Murdoch is going to make an absolute fortune selling 4 tracks of people's music? Perhaps it's because you're *not* in Myspace that you don't understand the strength and incredibly postivie benefits of it. But..I'll leave you to spread your negativity....as you always seem to want to do..... Lizzie |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:21 AM Nothing like adding Mad Lizzie's confusion to a discussion is there? |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Richard Bridge Date: 11 Jun 06 - 10:32 AM No, the other side of the coin is to provide low quality streaming from your own site, using the free webspace your ISP gives you. If anyone rips you off, you can sue them (or MCPS/PRS can do it for you). If being heard matters so much you give your work away, fine, post it to myspace, and even play in those disgusting "pay to play" scam venues. Read my lips. If you post stuff to myspace Rupie can (non-exclusively) do what he likes with it, even in direct commercial competition with you. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:45 AM So what *is* ol' 'Rupie' going to do then Richard? Could someone please explain to me exactly *WHAT* he may be planning? People can already download from Myspace, if the artist has activated the button. There'll be millions of people who probably already have their own Myspace CDs, made up from a variety of artists. Do you seriously think they'd pay good money to buy one of Rupie's? Would anyone from the folk world buy a Rupie CD? I don't think so. I just need to know in 'easy to understand terms' what you and Diane think Mr.Murdoch has apparently got planned for everyone in Myspace, that's all. I'm intrigued. And why, as I said before, if you're really worried, can't you just put samples on your page, as some people do anyway? End of problem I'd have thought, if you've a problem that is, in the first place of course. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:00 PM Lizzie, it doesn't matter what anyone THINKS could happen. The point is what the law SAYS could happen. Nobody is stopping anyone else from using MySpace. But circulating the hard facts of the case ARE of interest to some. I know opinions are sharply divided on this matter, but arguing opinions, from any angle, is futile and will turn this thread - like so many others - sour. I'm beginning to wish Joe had left it in the basement - |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Metchosin Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:13 PM According to Billy Bragg's site there, the part regarding the back-up copy and MySpace's rights to the copy has now been removed from the fine print. It appears some good stuff does come about from getting your shirt in a knot. I noticed that my daughter's band has removed their music from the site until such time as things get sorted. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:33 PM Sorry Bonnie, I've just been through all this before on the BBC board. I'll leave you all to it then. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: hesperis Date: 11 Jun 06 - 12:55 PM I read the terms, which is why I only put up one 30-second clip on myspace, and a couple of photos. Everything else is on my own website. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 11 Jun 06 - 03:02 PM Of course the REAL test of MySpace's intentions hasn't been posed yet. Wait till someone gets a mega-worldwide hit with a song that's subject to those T's & C's. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Richard Bridge Date: 11 Jun 06 - 03:47 PM Where there's a hit there's a writ. Spot on Bonnie. With all the music put up there sooner or later a recording or a musical work or some lyrics (a literary work) posted is going the become valuable. Rupie is going to want a large sum of money to release the rights his T+Cs give him. Scamster. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 11 Jun 06 - 05:09 PM Funnily enough, I'm reading (and had started before seeing the article that sparked off this thread) Simon Garfield's "Expensive Habits: The Dark Side Of The Music Industry" which deals with the huge lawsuits and losses and career-stalling legal delays incurred by famous & successful artists because of having signed a ruinous contract, usually hastily and without professional advice, with stars in the eyes and nothing in the fridge. It's enough to run your blood cold. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:02 PM "Lizzie, it doesn't matter what anyone THINKS could happen. The point is what the law SAYS could happen." "When I Rule The World, I'm going to murder an entire ethinc group, and as many others as I can", he said. They all laughed, "No one is that crazy!" "Of course the REAL test of MySpace's intentions hasn't been posed yet. Wait till someone gets a mega-worldwide hit with a song that's subject to those T's & C's. " |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST,Ralph Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:15 PM Lizzie. If you have actually enjoyed my music, then please respect what I say. MySpace is a way to fleece artists of the rights to their own music. No question about it.. No amount of enthusiasm from you will change that. Mr Murdoch is not in this for himself. He is in it for what he can get. Can't imagine him singing a shanty....can you? You may have not heard of Bonnie, or the wonderful music that she plays, you may not have heard of Billy Bragg. But realise that MySpace sucks. Let it go. There is enough injustice in this world without promoting more. Ralph |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 11 Jun 06 - 07:21 PM Just keep scouring the TOS for the bit that goes... "posting a fragment of a work by a copyright holder assigns all rights in perpetuity for the entire work to MySpace"... He has to sneak that one in when everybody is looking away... |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Richard Bridge Date: 11 Jun 06 - 11:55 PM It's already there, see above. The only minor saving grace is that it is on a non-exclusive basis. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Anne Lister Date: 12 Jun 06 - 02:50 AM For what it's worth - I'm as sceptical as most of you about Murdoch and his T&Cs (hey, I was living in Wapping when he moved in and remember how he got the local police to protect his workers instead of keeping the neighbourhood safe). What we decided to do with my music samples was to keep them deliberately low fi, so if anyone (RM or someone else) decides to rip them off - or "own" them - they're not getting the best quality recordings. He can only claim the recordings, not the songs themselves, so that should be some form of control. It has resulted in one unpleasant message from someone who decided to inform me I should invest in better recording equipment, but I think I can cope with that level of feedback. But we may decide to pull out of the whole thing - so far the main messages I've been getting have been from fellow musicians anyway. Anne (Lister) |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Richard Bridge Date: 12 Jun 06 - 03:21 AM No, the T+Cs grant rights in the music words and recording. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Nigel Paterson Date: 12 Jun 06 - 04:47 AM I had, at one time thought that 'The Halliard' might benefit from inclusion in MySpace. Having read most of the debate here & elsewhere & the T&C several times, I wouldn't touch it with the mandatory ten foot barge pole. Nigel Paterson (The Halliard) |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Kenneth Ingham Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:16 AM What's all the fuss Rupert is a nice guy! |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:23 AM Tabster's not kidding about being aware of Rupie's doings in the Wapping days. I can remembering driving to see her one evening during that time and having to stop the car when it got surrounded by a group of men demanding to know where I was going and what I wanted. J-j-just v-v-visiting a friend I squeaked, and they let me through without further incident or any real unpleasantness (though being physically halted by a gang was pretty unpleasant). I suppose they realised that a lone woman in a small aging canary-yellow Renault wasn't going to pose much of a threat. To try to steer this back on track, it shows you the impact Rupie and his dealings can have on society. You don't get street-vigilance over philanthropic acts. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 12 Jun 06 - 05:26 AM The terms would be of concern regardless of who owned myspace. As far as I can see, the only difference "nice guy Rupert" makes to the situation is that the knowledge that he has a proven track record of being a ruthless bastard does IMO add to the likleyhood of what could happen under the terms actually happening. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 12 Jun 06 - 06:17 AM Ralph, You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, but I am also entitled to mine as well and therefore, I would ask *you* to respect that. To be honest,I'm fair fed up with you telling me what to do and to dampen my enthusiasm etc.etc. I would rather die than give up an ounce of my enthusiasm or love for this music that I have found! So....I'd suggest we agree to differ. You enthuse your way and I'll enthuse mine! And PLEASE stop being so patronising as to suggest that I've not heard of Bonnie or Billy! Sheesh!!!! AND.....It strikes me that nearly all the criticism that comes on these threads is from people who don't have a Myspace page in the first place, and who are therefore totally unaware of the power that this site has to promote music and support musicians, in a way that's never happened before. SO...could someone 'legal' out there please tell me what the problem is with people just putting 'long snippets' on there then? Are you actually thinking that even if you so much as put *one line* of your song/s on Myspace, then Rupie will grab 100% of the rights to your song/s for evermore? Or is it that he is saying, a bit like an estate agent would, "Hey, without my site people may never have discovered your music in the first place, so therefore I want a bit of the action?" I'd appreciate it if the reply to this could be printed in easy to understand language, as I am of course a *complete and total idiot* as those of you who have watched the BBC board have no doubt obviously realised, if you've not already been over there and told me to so or to er..."Go away and leave you all alone" that is. And have you all written to Myspace to get this sorted, as Billy has suggested? If not...I'd suggest you spend less time in here moaning and far more time over there helping to get it worked out properly. I've already written to them. No doubt Rupert Murdoch has signed a contract of a very different sort for me, for doing that, but hey..I'm an ex Radio 2 Folk & Acousticer and I love to live dangerously! ;0) Billy has asked as many people as possible to help him on this, so get out there and do just that! |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 12 Jun 06 - 06:30 AM Lizzie "I'll leave you all to it then." Please do. |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: GUEST Date: 12 Jun 06 - 06:42 AM Lizzie, someone "legal out there" has made numerous posts explaining in no uncertain terms what the problem is. You just don't want to see it. And: If you really care about the well-being of all the artists you endorse (and I don't think anyone doubts your sincerity) - DO YOU HONESTLY WANT THEM TO BE AT RISK OF GETTING RIPPED OFF in the way they stand a real chance of being? |
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Subject: RE: MySpace policies - ? From: The Borchester Echo Date: 12 Jun 06 - 07:03 AM Hasn't it occurred to LC that those who have declined to place their work on a MySite page, thus handing it on a plate to a shyster known not for philanthropy but for megalomaniacal designs on world media domination and who screws anybody who gets in the way are merely taking care to hang on the what's theirs? No, clearly not. Nor has it occurred to her that those who are simply interpreting the obvious in the T&C have a head start of at least 30 years of musbiz experience and have seen too much happen to friends that they don't want to see again. Try respecting that. As Bonnie says, it's not what anybody thinks might happen. It's about what the law allows right now. Grow up, LC. Go and listen to the replayer where Steve Knightley is somewhere, drivelling on the Today programme on R4 this morning. It's more your level. |
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