BS: Slavery still active-

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 01:10 PM

"I hesitate to use the term "over-representation"
Over-representation of what?
Do you mean employers who pay next to nothing wages to their domestic staff and threaten to send their "employees" back to where they came from if they don't comply.
Or sex trafficers bringing girls into the country on the pretext of giving them legitimate work.
Or the sweat labour that has existed for centuries in Britain in the clothing and catering industries
Or the building workers working the lump.
Or simply the many thousands of employers who don't register their employees and totally ignore the legal minimum wage, safety regulations and general employment laws.
Where else can you cite Travellers holding employees against their will and forcing them to work - all the above mentioned are well established indigenous practices.
Given your past ventures you would be well advised to steer clear of "over-representation.
I do hope you aren't going to make this another one of your 'missions'!!
As for sympathy for the victims; the best way to show that is not in mealy mouthed platitudes, but to deal with it for what it is, a crime by ruthless criminals; it is totaly irrellevant that in this case they happen to be Travellers, and the cynical use of this only diverts away from it being righted and prevented from happening again.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 01:51 PM

Wrong Jim, the fault is with the legislation on "special status" for minority groups, which allows the criminals within those groups to evade prosecution.

Your "liberal" ideology is shite.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 01:59 PM

When the Pikeys were all over the news a few weeks ago for illegal occupation of a green belt site, we had these washed up old actresses and Looney left wingers in our society bawling their anti-establishment crap.

The problem is that 'the establishment' also apparently means anyone who can trace their British roots past a couple of generations and has a history of tax paying and abiding by the law.


Two years ago there was a Pikey site set up over night in a playing field a few miles from me, they broke in to the field cut down fences, and when forced to leave, they left gas bottles, and all manner of waste and sh 1 t behind them.....what is truly galling is they did within five hundred yards from a £200.000 site set up for them but they did not want to use it because they had to register.


They came back to the area a year later and set up camp on Meadow Lane. It used to be a convenient short cut through to the shops, but over a short period of time it became a health hazard and dangerous to walk through, used sanitary and contraceptives along with human crap just 'left in situ' The firing of shotguns was not uncommon, and after several incidents in the pubs in which Pikey's stole, abused people and fought, many landlords barred the Pikeys.


Even anyone who goes to school in a yellow bus can see there is a 2 fingered salute being put up to the law in favour of these people.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 02:06 PM

Bluesman, your "nasty as I wanna be" attitude as you throw around insults and racial slurs in various threads about minority communities is really really old. Why don't you go read a good book or think about music? Your social skills are appalling.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 03:11 PM

Hang on, can we all just cool it.

First of all, the 6pm Radio 4 news bulletin said that 9 of the people "rescued" claimed that they hadn't been enslaved at all, and had no wish for the police to continue with their investigations. We will have to await the outcomes of interviews with the remaining 15 before anyone can decide whether there is any basis to these allegations.

Secondly, if you were going to keep 24 people as slaves in inhumane conditions, I doubt you'd do it on what I take to be a council run travellers camping site. It's just too damned public.

Thirdly, even if this bizarre situation turned out to be true, and all the people arrested were subsequently convicted, that is 5 out of a total population of how many travellers? By comparison, look at Fred and Rosemary West, and the murderers of Baby P, and Hindley and Brady, and the killers of Stephen Lawrence and Anthony Walker, and at Thompson and Venbales, and at the gang who were sentenced just today for murdering a 27 year old woman with learning difficulties.

If those 5 travellers are seriously representative of traveller behaviour in general, then we who live in towns and houses must be tarred with exactly the same brush as the settled scumbags I've just listed.

Fourthly, if you want slavery type conditions, take a look at the sweatshops of the third world, where people work impossibly long hours for impossibly little pay in impossible working conditions, so that people in the first world can get goods at prices, which are dirt cheap to us, but which the people making the goods couldn't afford in a million years.

Yes I know I've just written an impossibly long sentence. But if you want to point the finger at slavery, just make sure you point it in the right direction.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 03:51 PM

I see one of those rescued by police has said they were told by the Pikeys if they ever made a statement about their captivity to anyone that their families would suffer.

I imagine most of them will be too scared to tell police the full extent of their ordeal in fear of retribution against their loved ones.

So we can now add intimidation to their growing list of crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 04:14 PM

"Wrong Jim, the fault is with the legislation on "special status" for minority groups,"
Unless you are suggesting that the police and judiciary are either corrupt, incompetent or both in allowing criminals to follow their criminal career because they belong to ethnic or social minorities there is no such thing as ""special status" for minority groups," outside the imaginations of the rednecks among us who would wish to drive all immigrants into the sea, re-criminalise homosexuality and place British Pakistanis in the 'dangerous species' category because of their inbuilt tendedency to child rape.
"Your "liberal" ideology is shite. "
And your racist/homophobic rantings are dangerous and possibly lethal shite - ask the families of Stephen Lawrence and those who had children slaughtered in Norway recently (I seem to remember your suggesting that the killer in the Norwegian massacre had a justification for what he did because of his country's immigration policy)
Fred is quite right, we have yet to see what the 'Traveller slavers' incident is about - but it's wonderful to see the bandwagon scramblers in full flight to join the minority kicking campaign
It would seem you have found a suitable Fuehrer in Bluesman - though I'm not sure what he feels about your depiction of our boys in blue as too inept or corrupt to deal with criminality!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 04:40 PM

I dont think you are quite as stupid as you pretend to be Jim.

I'm sure you know and approve of the protection afforded to the criminal elements amongst these minorities by the HRA.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 05:09 PM

Those arrested have now been charged, so the CPS must think they have a strong case.
Pakistanis, for whatever reason or none, were over-represented in the offence of grooming by groups in public places.
Ex senior police admitted they were reluctant to investigate for fear of causing inter-community tension, and it is widely believed that there has been a reluctance to follow up Traveller crime for similar reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:07 PM

"it is widely believed"

By whom?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:26 PM

Four men have been charged with slavery offences relating to four people found at a traveller's site, the Crown Prosecution Service said.

The men, all from the same family of travellers, are charged with conspiracy to holding a person in servitude and requiring them to perform forced labour.

The charges follow an investigation by the Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Major Crime Unit and relate to alleged offences against four male victims at the Greenacres travellers' site in Bedfordshire.

The CPS named the men charged as Tommy Connors, 30, Patrick Connors, 19, James (Big Jim) Connors, 34, and James (Jimmy) Connors, 23, all of Greenacres caravan site, in Great Billington, Leighton Buzzard.

Adrian Roberts, head of the CPS Thames and Chiltern Complex Casework Unit, said: "These charges relate to victims who have been held against their will and forced to live and work like slaves.

"Police investigations into other offences relating to other potential victims at Greenacres are ongoing, further to the police raid on Sunday, September 11."

The four men will appear at Luton Magistrates' Court on Tuesday.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:44 PM

"Ex senior police admitted they were reluctant to investigate for fear of causing inter-community tension, and it is widely believed that there has been a reluctance to follow up Traveller crime for similar reasons."
One ex senior policeman claimed the police were reluctant to act against Pakistani pimps - no proof has ever been provided.
Following the Stephen Lawrence murder the police were found to be "institutionally racist" - the investigation into that racist murder was so inept (probably deliberately so) that despite the fact that we all know who the killers are, they have never been brought to justice. There is no reason to believe that this would not happen again.
The Brixton riots were sparked off by heavy-handedness on the part of the police.
The latest riots were started by the shooting of an unarmed black man; the police have since admitted that they lied about the shooting.
Matters were made worse in Tottenham by the heavy-handed handling of a peaceful demonstration.
There is no evidence whatever to suggest that the police are soft-pedalling when it comes to cultural minorities in BRITAIN - heavy handed stop-and-searches remain a running sore in black communities.
I've seen first hand how the police treat Travellers - where they can't menace money out of them, of the persecute tham - that was the case when we started back in the 70s - it remains the case.
The idea that they are soft on Traveller crime is utterly ludicrous
You people really can't have it both ways. If the police and the judiciary are as inept and ineffective as you suggest when it comes to crime in the minority communities how can you possible demand that Travellers - or any of us take the law seriously?
I have my criticism of the police and the legal system but on balance I would rather put my trust in them than in a bunch of proven racists/homophobes - a hard-core matching set of three, with couple of symathetic hangers-on.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 06:54 PM

British police and the British legal system in one of the best systems in the world. They are well known for their smart judgment and quick justice. Unlike some other countries.



http://www.indymedia.ie/article/80673

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 01:19 AM

999, rightly or wrongly it is widely believed here.
Steamin' Willie and Sapper82 alluded to it.

The Times is running this today.
The full scale of a suspected slavery ring targeting homeless and vulnerable men emerged yesterday as The Times learnt that more than 100 people are believed to have been held prisoner across the country. Police suspect that a network of Irish travellers is behind an organised crime operation to kidnap or recruit homeless Britons and Eastern Europeans over the past two decades and force them into unpaid work, while holding them in squalid conditions on starvation rations. After the rescue of 24 men from putrid and cramped caravans, sheds and horse boxes at the Greenacres travellers' encampment in Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, it has emerged that raids carried out at four other travellers' sites across five counties are believed to be linked through a family with the surname Connors. Four men were charged last night under Section 71 of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009 with the offence of holding someone in slavery…

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 02:38 AM

Jim Carroll, 8th April 2011 "Some police are now claiming that the reason they did not do their job properly in the first place was that they feared accusaions of racism."

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 02:54 AM

Me, 10th June
"Have you forgotten that Cryer had families coming to her because the police refused to investigate?
Have you forgotten the senior officers who admitted they were afraid of being called racist?"

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 03:11 AM

BBC today.
In total, 15 men are still being treated for malnutrition and medical problems.

The British Red Cross said it is providing practical and emotional support

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 03:49 AM

However, the apparent link to one family, called "Connor" would seem to negate any possible argument that "this sort of thing" is endemic amongst travellers whether of a particular racial group or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 04:37 AM

The good news is, yet again the Pikeys are in the news for all the right reasons. The media must continue to expose their thieving way of life. As I said before, I am always glad to do so.

This is what happens when you give certain groups of people 'carte blanche' to do as they please, because political correctness deems that certain groups cannot 'do wrong' as it is they who are victimised.....

I wonder what Chami Chakarabati thinks of this? Actually she would probably say 'it isn't their fault' owning slaves is down to their lack of education.....I suppose not paying tax will also be down to their lack education, and not down to their conniving cunning that puts them above the law.

Now let us look forward to the Dale Farm evictions in a few weeks time. Now this will be entertainment at it's finest.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 05:45 AM

"British police and the British legal system in one of the best systems in the world. "
Who are to telling - me or Keith and 'the 'phobe'?
"Have you forgotten the senior officers who admitted they were afraid of being called racist?" "
Wow - can't get more specific than that, can you!!!
"The full scale of a suspected slavery ring targeting homeless and vulnerable men emerged yesterday "
Five members of one family so far - does that count as "massive - massive" or just "massive over-representation".
Of the "24 men" rescued, nine have agreed to co-operate with the police, others have described it as nonsense amd anti Traveller - read Peter Laban's link.
You are going to make this another of your racist crusades, aren't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 05:46 AM

Bluesmanmyarse. "Now this will be entertainment at it's finest."

My God, how sick can you get? Perhaps you'd like to see the odd Christian being thrown to the lions, or maybe you like to watch footage of the gassings at Belsen?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 06:03 AM

Crucifiction to the left, lions to the right!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 06:18 AM

Yes, Bozo.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 06:22 AM

Fred ~~ Purely in interests of pedantry ~ Belsen was a starvation camp; there were no gas-chambers there. Still, your point was valid nevertheless.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 07:18 AM

M. For once I agree with you. Belsen wasn't an extermination camp, but when it was liberated by the Allies, they found 13,000 corpses strewn around the place. Most presumably had died from malnutrition.

In fact, IIRC, the extermination camps were all in Poland, because the Nazis wanted to make sure the German people didn't know the full extent of the horror that was being conducted in their name.

Oddly enough, Ewan MacColl made the same mistake as I just made when he wrote the script for the Travelling People:

Some of them were gassed at Belsen,
Some at Buchenwald did fa'.
Others kennt the Auschwitz ovens:
Men and women, bairns and a'.

Whatever. Names like Belsen, Auschwitz and Buchenwald will remain forever as reminders of the evil depths to which humanity can sink when people of good conscience do nothing, expect maybe look the other way. Similar reminders can be found in discrimination against gypsies, travellers, gays or any other vulnerable minority.

"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me."

Horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 07:47 AM

No argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 07:54 AM

Again we see an absence of sympathy for the victims of Pickeys. As a law abiding British citizen, I will continue to expose Pickey violent crime, rape, murder, drug dealing, grievous bodily harm and slavery at every given opportunity.

Fred, nice to see you are still a member of Mudcat, I was concerned that maybe you had resigned your membership again as you could not provide any credible facts in a previous Pikey debate.

Maybe you could let some Pickeys live on some of the land you own, maybe in your back garden. You could wake up in the morning to the stench of fresh crap, possibly with a leaky roof, but it's ok, the poor Pickeys nicked the lead. Possibly you might go out to your car and it wont run properly, but it's ok only the catalytic converter has been nicked.... don't call the police now Fred's it might infringe their human rights if you accuse them.

Decent British taxpayers also have human rights, that includes living in a clean environment without rodents.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 08:33 AM

I've heard that so often Fred and for most of my life I've been a Communist(top of the list)...probably part of me still is, but in this "liberal" mess which we call a society, there are no longer any persecuted minorities......to day society is the persecuted....minorities rule!

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 08:34 AM

Slavery is also an issue in Ireland.

"WORKERS are being held in slave conditions in Irish homes and businesses because of a lack of legislation to either protect them or prosecute their enslavers.

The Migrant Rights Centre of Ireland (MRCI) revealed it regularly finds cases of people working as forced labour, but is often powerless to help them.

The group is calling for the introduction of laws similar to Britain's new Slavery and Servitude Act, which enabled police there to move on long-held suspicions about the enslavement of men at a Traveller camp in Bedfordshire.

Four men were charged yesterday following the discovery of 24 men kept in squalid conditions in ramshackle caravans, horseboxes and even dog kennels while being forced to work as free manual labour for the Traveller gang."

"Anti-Slavery International has also urged Ireland to provide laws enabling the Garda to act on the issue.

"Ireland very much has a problem of modern day slavery," said spokeswoman Klara Skrivankova. "I believe Ireland would greatly benefit from giving the police these powers." "

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/workers-held-as-slaves-in-irish-homes-167300.html

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 09:21 AM

to day society is the persecuted....minorities rule!

Absolutely right, and the pillocks who get offended on behalf of pikeys, and the nutters obsessed with human rights !!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 09:34 AM

"WORKERS are being held in slave conditions in Irish homes and businesses"
Workers are being held in "slave conditions" in virtually every 'civilised' country in the world, particularly here in the "free west" - Britain included.
The building, catering and hospitality trades are notorious for paying breadline-level wages and forcing their employees to work in appallingly dangerous and unhealthy conditions without safety measures, insurance, or pensions.
The building industry is one of the worst culprits - it took my own trade - (the electrical industry), many years of protest and action to attempt to prevent employers from forcing us to dismantle cancer-causing asbestos-filled appliances, and there are still firms who make their employees handle such lethal material, particularly storage heaters. The same applies to the building industry in general with pipe lagging and and asbestos roofing.
An interesting sidelight on this was when Mrs T's friend, Lady Porter wanted to re-arrange the voting patterns in Westminster, she forcably moved council tenants out of their sellable houses into asbestos-filled multi storey flats in order to give her constituancy a Tory bias - they appear to believe that working people are somehow immune to the effects of asbestos. In the end Lady P did a runner to Israel to avoid paying a £multi-million penalty imposed on her for other crooked dealings.
Thatcher and her mafia made conditions and wages worse by taking away the only voice we had, our trades union representation, setting workers in some industries back at least a century.
The situation has recently been added to, thanks to the predatory corporate investors and their cohorts in government having driven the world economies into the ground to such an extent that the national minimum wage - as miniscule as it is - could well be totally abandoned.
Added to all this, most of our department stores are filled with cheap imported goods manufactured in actual slave conditions quite often produced by child labour - clothing, shoes, toys, electrical goods (particularly sporting ones)... you name it, Britain buys it.
All of which makes the Connors family out to be a bunch of right amatures, don't you think?
Interesting that you should choose Ireland as your example though - a key part of your present crusade, no doubt!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 09:38 AM

"Absolutely right, and the pillocks who get offended on behalf of pikeys, "
Yeah - who needs human rights - gas 'em all!!
Who let that parrot in?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 09:44 AM

You, sir, insult my parrot!

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 09:46 AM

Jim,
"Interesting that you should choose Ireland as your example though - a key part of your present crusade, no doubt!!"

What?
It is a current story, published just yesterday.
The Engish slavery is also a current story.
The subject is ,Slavery still active.
Why are you being so irrational?
Thatcher???

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 09:53 AM

Sorry Jim, but you're starting to babble, try to keep focused.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 10:13 AM

Correction, the story is in TODAY'S edition of The Irish Examiner, not yesterday.
I think it is relevant to the thread subject.
More-so than Lady Porter and pipe lagging.
Something of a crusade with you Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 10:22 AM

It is interesting that our resident Irish Republican sympathiser has not denied that Pikeys brought arms and explosives across the border for the IRA. Several Irish republicans (including eight who escaped from the Maze prison in 1983) have openly thanked Pikeys for transporting them over the border.

One Irish terrorist who was a so called "engineer" confirmed in an RTE programme that it was Pikeys that transported 'Anfo' (fertilizer and diesel oil mix) and 'Donegal Mix' or Annie - ammonium nitrate, nitrobenzene and diesel and IED timers into mainland Britain to make "city destroyers." He also came to Britain on a Dublin ferry and onto London by caravan. He added that these were the bombs that wrecked London and Manchester.

So we can now add assisting terrorists to their growing list of serious crimes.

In the link below, you will see that dissident Irish republican terrorists have now turned on the Pikeys in Dublin for impersonating IRA terrorists to gain money from people.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-Travellers-threatened-with-death-after-impersonating-dissident-IRA-members-128197398.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 10:24 AM

Sorry, that blue clicky link did not seem to work, here is the link.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-Travellers-threatened-with-death-after-impersonating-dissident-IRA-members-128197398.html

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 10:28 AM

The Irish examiner story tends to indicate that the majority of modern-day western slaveowners are not travellers or subsets of travellers, but the better orf (sic) no doubt clients of Bozo or those like him who believe that wealth is right and that they deserve servile servants. It in fact undermines the thrust of White Man and monkey (or maybe ake).

Travellers are not the predominant slavers, and Jim is absolutely right on this.

Lady Porter was a nasty piece of work - I knew another member of her conservative council, and he was a nasty piece of work too, but was not caught with his fingers in the till and did not abscond to Israel to avoid justice.

Interesting however that White Man is happy to "continue to expose Pickey (I think he means "Pikey") violent crime, rape, murder, drug dealing, grievous bodily harm and slavery at every given opportunity" - but not the sins, real or imagined, of those perceived to be representative of any other social group (except for those with different skin colours).

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 10:39 AM

And now Petrocelli arrives to save the day.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 12:34 PM

"It is a current story, published just yesterday."
And we all know that if it had been about the UK it would not have been worth a mention by you - Irish, Pakistanis and Travellers seem to be your meat.
As I said, the acceptable form of slavery here in the west among the settled community puts anything the Connors family have done completely in the shade, and has been going on for many decades - if you don't count the Empire, which would make it centuries.
Your finding something out about Ireland yesterday - no, today, sorry - is an attempt on your part to spread your net from Irish Travellers to the Irish as a whole - a target for your particular brand of bile in the past.
"And now Petrocelli..."
Better Petrocelli than Mussolini
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 12:57 PM

Your ranting is ridiculous Jim.
The slavery uncovered here is a shocking story and would certainly have appeared on this forum anyway.
Are you saying the Irish story was not worthy of mention?
As Richard said, it does not incriminate any particular group.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 01:13 PM

So Pikeys transported guns and explosives for Irish terrorists, now let me see why would anyone possibly defend Pikeys to the point of obsession ? Maybe they also supported the Irish armed struggle for independence as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 01:49 PM

"Are you saying the Irish story was not worthy of mention?"
Not in context of a discussion on the events at Bedfordshire - how could it be.
Though it does demonstrate quite clearly that attempts to link such crimes as have been happening with this single Traveller family (4 charged so far) has nothing to do with one particular culture or community and can be found among settled people as well as Travellers - in any part of the "free" world - including Britain.
Your own goal in attempting to smear the Irish with something we could encounter every day in say London or Birmingham - did serve a useful purpose.
Perhaps you would like to explain what relevance it has to the crimes possibly committed by the Connors family and why you put it up - if not to extend your crusade to the Irish as a nation.
Sorry - I interrupted your fuehrer in full flow.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 02:01 PM

Jim, you are obsessed!
I posted the Examiner story in the context of "Slavery still active."
It was pertinent and a story of the day.
The main thrust was that Ireland needs similar slavery laws to those recently introduced in UK.
Why does that make you angry?

As for the other story, it has no parallel in my experience.
Sixty people have been freed from Traveller sites since March this year!

Are you saying that it is OK for others to discuss these things but not me?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 02:06 PM

Jim, "(4 charged so far) "

Be aware that more were charged from the previous raids, another is awaiting extradition from Denmark, and the pregnant lady is still on bail.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 03:11 PM

If something like slavery, child abuse, cooking meth, etc. is happening, you need to address it with whatever means you have and not worry about political niceties. Safety of individuals from terrible outcomes must always trump being polite and sensitive. For lesser problems, say noise levels, garbage disposal, minor traffic violations, then you need to be more sensitive, aware, slower to react, meet with community leaders etc...but for some things you have to react swiftly and surely. You can not leave people in slavery or horrible conditions because of any ...well for any reason...you just can't.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 03:13 PM

"Jim, you are obsessed!"
It's not me who keeps insisting all these foreigners are perverts or criminals
Slavery laws - you haven't even acknowledges what goes on in Britain, where slavery laws are fully in place.
Ireland comes a very poor second to Britain in the way it exploits its workers, filling its catering trade with asylum seekers, empolying those who will take the lowes wages, importing au pairs to be worked like horses, beaten, sexually assaulted and then sent back if they complain - all in a civilised country where slavery laws are fully in place.
You put this up to suggest that Ireland is a primative country compared to Britain - and it's blown up in your hand somewhat.
You are a bit of a saddo really.
You ride on the shitty shirt-tails of goose-steppers like Looman, emitting the occasional squeak of support.
You make racist statements, deny you have made them or blame somebody else for them.
You run snivelling to "sir" when somebody comments on your racist behaviour.
All a bit of a mess really
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 03:26 PM

Talk to a Turd and get shit for an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 03:26 PM

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