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Subject: Jackson State 1970 From: katlaughing Date: 05 May 00 - 02:51 PM Someone was asking for more info. Rather than bury this in the Kent State thread, I thought it deserved one of its own. Here is a link to the JSU memorial. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: katlaughing Date: 05 May 00 - 02:57 PM Be warned, it is not easy reading. Two were killed, twelve lay dying while police picked up their shell casings before ambulances were called. It says 460 rounds were fired. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: catspaw49 Date: 05 May 00 - 03:02 PM Well crap......kat, I just wrote a post on JSU on the KSU thread, but I'm glad you have linked the site. One of the important things about JSU was that it added the racial element. See my other post regarding "The Movement" on the other thread. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: Amergin Date: 05 May 00 - 03:06 PM Oh my god. I am speechless. Thank you, Kat. Amergin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: katlaughing Date: 05 May 00 - 03:07 PM I'm right behind ya, Spaw! See my posting on the Kent thread!*smile* And, boy, did it ever bring in the racial element! Your point about May 1970 making it harder from then on to get the crowds is a good one. Do you suppose it is still part of the reason today why people just don't seem to "get together right now?" kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: GUEST,Peter T. Date: 05 May 00 - 03:23 PM I think that there is a winnowing out process when things get serious, and especially if there are no understood rules in the game between antagonists. The whole series of protests in Seattle and Washington recently were premised on the understanding that some pushing of the boundaries would be allowed, and no guns were going to go off. In one sense, it is an easy kind of protest, though God knows it is necessary. Most people are not good at the serious kind of protest, certainly not middle class kids. I have been involved only once in one protest without well understood rules between the antagonists, and it scared the hell out of me. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: catspaw49 Date: 05 May 00 - 03:27 PM I dunno kat........I think it makes for interesting research and speculation. How much of today is due to then? And at what angle do you want to look at the question from? Talk about book subjects........ I mentioned in the other thread awhile back, there was a really good program on VH-1 dealing with 1970 as a watershed and they tied it to both the change in protest activity and the change in music. In a few short months we went from the chart topper being CSNY's "Ohio," to The Carpenters and "Close to You," for gawdsakes. I wish I had it on tape....very well done. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: GUEST,Peter T. Date: 05 May 00 - 03:32 PM You want the Carpenters on tape? CP,surely you must have their Gratest Hits on CD by now! yours, Peter T. ("why do birds suddenly appear....) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 05 May 00 - 03:51 PM Thanks, Kat! Can't believe I NEVER HEARD OF THIS TILL NOW! And some people wonder why we should have memorials? This should never have been allowed to become so obscure! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: northfolk/al cholger Date: 05 May 00 - 04:06 PM As per my reference in the KSU thread, the racial question was then, "how do you change the anti-war movement from what was then a middle class white student movement, with no consciousness of the victimization of Vietnamese or Black Americans, into a movement that understood the class implications of all struggles. I am very enthused, that the Labor community is less afraid to discuss inequity in a class context, the Student movement today is much more aware of the link between workers and students, even though all that we see happening today is in a much more conservative political climate. The thing that gives me the most hope is that I remember the hard, tedious, seemingly unproductive organizing that went into the civil rights, anti-war, ecology and womens movement. The same dramatic change will be reallized again and again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: catspaw49 Date: 05 May 00 - 04:07 PM *******SPECIAL NOTE -- OFF TOPIC -- TO PETER T.****** blow me Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: katlaughing Date: 05 May 00 - 04:07 PM Maybe that's why we don't get it together now? Nobody knows of what went before to learn how? You are welcome all. Let's keep talking. Spaw, darlin', your wish is mine to search for: here is a link to a page at VH1 about the program you saw. It is going to be aired several times more, if I am reading this right. Take a look and let us now, okay? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: katlaughing Date: 05 May 00 - 04:11 PM here's what it says about the program: "It was the year the Vietnam war came home, when the peaceful ideals of the '60s gave way to horror. Anti-war activists protesting the invasion of Cambodia found themselves being gunned down for their beliefs. CSNY memorialized the Kent State tragedy in the song "Ohio." 1970 was also the year that generational icons Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin fell victim to their excesses, and the Beatles collapsed under the weight of their enormous popularity. In California, good vibrations soured when failed rock musician Charles Manson struck back against an industry which didn't understand his "genius"; the mayhem he orchestrated became forever linked to the Beatles song "Helter Skelter." The counterculture found itself guilty by association, and "save the world" turned into "save yourself." Introspective singer/songwriters like James Taylor and Joni Mitchell replaced revolutionary rockers; Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge Over Troubled Water," certainly a cry of help, was the song of 1970. BTM looks back at this pivotal year with archival footage, journalistic commentary, and interviews with Paul McCartney, David Crosby, Judy Collins, former Sen. Tom Hayden, and many others."
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: catspaw49 Date: 05 May 00 - 04:12 PM Thats it kat....and I see its on Saturday and again on Tuesday of next week. Anyone who gets a chance, try to watch it! It really is a decent program....and David Crosby's comment regarding "escalation" is classic. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: Wesley S Date: 05 May 00 - 04:22 PM The Steve Miller Band on Album 5 did the only song I know of about the event called "Jackson - Kent Blues" which led into a song called "Never Kill Another Man". Thats where I first heard about the Jackson State killings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: Richard Bridge Date: 05 May 00 - 05:06 PM The Beach Boys did a song about it too, using the tune from Riot in Cell Block Number 9. It was called Student Demonstration TIme. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: Amergin Date: 05 May 00 - 06:51 PM Here's something. Might come up with something better later on though:
I Wanna Go Down
I wanna go down to Jackson, Mississippi
I wanna go down to the university
I wanna walk down around the school
I wanna run down into the open door
I wanna go back into our tragic past
I don't want this to ever happen again
I wanna go down to Jackson, Mississippi Amergin
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: katlaughing Date: 05 May 00 - 07:33 PM Very good, Amergin! Thank you for sharing it. Come sing it in HEarMe for us on Sunday? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: Amergin Date: 06 May 00 - 12:20 PM Glad you like it, Kat. As for the hearme thing, if you wouldn't mind it being unaccompanied (can't play anything just yet), I'll see if I can't swing by. Amergin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: katlaughing Date: 06 May 00 - 05:01 PM Amerigin, I never have anything but my voice to share, no instruments, haven't practised enough! Anyone is welcome to share in whatever way they can. Some come without mics and ust listen and text chat along. It is really wonderful and does bring us all closer to one another. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jackson State 1970 From: Amergin Date: 06 May 00 - 05:07 PM Ok, cool. I'll see if I can make it then. Thanks. Amergin |