BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?

Subject: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:44 AM

Who will actively campaign against the BNP this election on the streets of the wards they will contest?

I'm sick of hearing all this talk but no action. I contacted http://www.uaf.org.uk/ and they are sending me leaflets to put out in my ward. They also put me in contact with UAF organiser.

So yes or no, who will do something. I have 50,000 leaflets coming and will happily post them to anyone.

Yes or No?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 08:03 AM

No

As most voters are not very aware they probably do not know the BNP exist or what they stand for.

The most effective election strategy is to keep it that way and let the BNP pay for their own publicity.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Concerned citizen
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 05:06 PM

Sorry, Shambles, can't agree. The problem as I perceive it is that scratch most people and just a little under the surface is a huge amount of ill-informed and ugly racism - just what the BNP is looking for. Most people know who the BNP are but many are unaware of their historical (and current) thuggery. They are politicians only in the sense that any fascist is a politician: one who believes neither in politics, democracy nor freedom. I have not signed my name to this post because I know about the thuggery of the BNP and their kind first hand. I do not understand how racism and incitement to racism is a crime but a party built on that principle is legal.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Love Music Hate Racism
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 08:56 AM

Unite Against Fascism is organising a national Day of Action against the BNP on sunday,30th April.
Also "Love Music Hate Racism" is planning a series of anti fascist gigs,carnivals and events in the run up to the local council elections on the 4th May.
These will include a free concert featuring Belle and Sebastian at Trafalgar Sq in London on sunday 29th April.
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourgh
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 09:03 AM

That's great, trendy youth, smart assed students high on dope and don't forget the 40 somethings, there to say, heah, we understand you and make fools of themselves dancing and go into work next day and be able to do nothing only talk about how wonderful it was, simply because there is nothing in their boring lives and this was their first outing in years !
Why not go to Africa or the Middle East and see if they are hosting a welcome British day ? You are sad sad people.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 09:16 AM

Why not go to Africa or the Middle East and see if they are hosting a welcome British day ? You are sad sad people.

Why should anyone who wants to protect their country from the likes of the thugs and racists of the BNP want to do that anywhere else except in the land that they love!
And if it's possible to do that with music instead of the hatred displayed by you "Gillian" so much the better

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 09:21 AM

To Gillian
What a dismissive comment you have written.Do you support the fascist BNP or are you so jaded that you see any sign of opposition to them as sad or boring.
We know about the BNP and we know it has to be opposed.Its leaders have a track record for organised racism,thuggery and biggotry .Their heroes Hitler and his henchmen.
Give me those smarty assed students to those would be aryan supermen anyday!!
In the 1920s Hitler was on the fringes of German politics within a decade he was leading one of the most cultured nations in the world-the country of Beethoven and Goethe down the road that led to the holocaust and barbarism.
Better to fight the fascists now rather than leave it until they are grown powerful.
Ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Dg
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 10:41 AM

I too can't believe the comment by Gillian above. What an ignorant, stupid thing to say.
Gillian, it's you who should get a life. It's amazing to think people with your attitudes still exist.
Sorry for getting mad, but racism is the one thing that gets me really angry.

This machine kills fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:00 AM

a pathetic response to the first question. what a joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourgh
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:04 PM

I am a good Ulster woman living in Great Britain, that's all. As a member of the Ulster Democratic Party I am used to hearing such stupid remarks such as the above being made against our party leader, who may I add has just been called to the House of Lords.

I currently live in England and am more or less used to listening to the likes of silly people such as the lady above.

In the fullness of time you will realise how right I am in my viewpoints. I will be returning to Ulster later in the year and take this part of the United Kingdom as a living example.

You have so much to learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,DG
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:51 PM

I'm sorry to say, but people have to get along... I'm all for being proud of where you're from, but crikey, the BNP won't help anybody. They're all a bunch of scaremongering thugs, who prey on people living in poor run-down areas. The UK has always been a nation of immigrants and for people to start getting on some moral high horse because of the colour of their skin, or religion is pathetic.
You may also like to know that immigration is good for the economy.
Stop reading the Telegraph and the Daily Mail!!

I'll be doing all I can this May to spread the anti-fascist message.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:52 PM

Actually, Gillian, it is you who have much to learn.

When you are debating an issue, you resort to calling people stupid and silly. That means you can't defend your comments in a reasonable way.

Is it true that "good Ulster women" can't dance?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:54 PM

From the BBC website -

"The UDP has strong links with the banned loyalist paramilitary group, the Ulster Freedom Fighters.
The UDP left the peace talks in January 1998 after the UFF admitted taking part in the killing of three Catholics. If it had not left, it would have been suspended as parties are not allowed in the talks if groups to which they are linked take part in violence.
The party was re-admitted in February 1998 and later signed up to the Good Friday Agreement.
The UDP leader is Gary McMichael. The party has no MPs and to the surprise of many failed to win any assembly seats."

or did you mean the Democratic Unionist Party "Gillian"? - you seem a little confused for a "good Ulster Woman"

I don't think you have much to teach "Gillian"

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,DG
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 01:13 PM

Nice work Emma!

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourgh
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 01:55 PM

I am an Ulster Democatic, not to confuse you with the Ulster Unionist Party, I stated Ulster Democatic Party, as that is what most over here seem to refer to us as. Sorry for the confusion. Yes it is the D.U.P. And we are not racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 01:58 PM

How do you feel about Catholics Gillian, particularly the black ones?
G..

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 06:22 AM

I am an Ulster Democatic, not to confuse you with the Ulster Unionist Party, I stated Ulster Democatic Party, as that is what most over here seem to refer to us as. Sorry for the confusion. Yes it is the D.U.P. And we are not racist.

I am now totaly confused. What does 'Yes it is the DUP' mean? Because, according to their own website, the DUP is the Democratic Unionist Party. The Ulster Democrats appear to be catered for by Ulster Democratic Party (UDP), amongst others.

So, if you are an Ulster Democrat, not an Ulster Unionist, then how come it is the DUP you seem to support? And who are the 'we' who are not racist?

Help! Where is Divis when you need him? :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourgh
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 10:45 AM

The D.U.P. is the Democratic Unionist Party. They are the largest British Democratic party in Ulster.

The Ulster Unionist Party is the rejected party that once held power in Ulster.

Our party stand for justice and freedom of religious beliefs for all British Citizens who support the British way of life and honour our Queen and remember our glorious history with passion.

Simple as that, my goodness, such silly questions are turning up.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 12:05 PM

Gillian
You are an idiot!!
The loyalists in Nortern Ireland have decades long record of bullying and oppressing the catholic minority in their midst.
Everything from police brutality,housing jerrymandering and the denial of jobs to catholics .Civil rights marchers were cruelly attacked by loyalists mobs in the mid 60s and whole neighbourhoods of catholics were attacked and burnt out by these same people.DUPloyalists have been at the forefront with their anti catholic hatred.
James Conolly said many years ago that the partition of Ireland would lead to a carnival of repression and how right he was!!
Ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 12:59 PM

There is simply no place for intimation, hate for human beings, Intolerance of anyones faith and sheer narrow mindedness in the twenty first century.

The message is as simple as that.

The world is multi cultural, there is a world outside of your front door madam and no single individual holds any given right to object to the lifestyle of others.

I see you are a Christian. I am glad you hold a faith. Please tell me in which part of your teaching is it acceptable to condemn individuals or races of people if they don't hold the same viewpoint of yourself ?
Do the words, Live and let live, or no man or woman has the right to hold judgement over another come to mind ?

The Ulster Democratic Party in Ulster has more or less vanished. Most fell into the ranks of the Democratic Unionist Party which is lead by Ian Paisley a self proclaimed doctor and minister. I need not go into his self apointed titles as I see Emma has covered all bases. Well done by the way Emma.

The D.U.P. are anything but a democratic party. They have a long history of hate against Catholics. The also hold a major dislike of other churches such as Methodist, Church of Ireland and Baptist. And these are churches of the Protestant faith, simply because they do not hold their extreme values.

The late Billy Wright was the leader of the Loyalist Volunteer Force who were extremists and their murder campaign was against Catholics.
The Rev, William Mc Crea a senior member of the D.U.P. shared a platform with him on three ocassions. One at a loyalist show of strength, one against the Police at Drumcree church and the last one at a National Front demo in Belfast, funded and supported by the BNP.

There is no need to keep avioding direct questions as to where you stand madam. I know exactly where you stand and know where your party stand too.

What about your parties stance against the building of three mosques in the North of Ireland ? All sadly where in areas in which the D.U.P. controlled the local councils and none received planning permission on the grounds there were either enough churches in the area, or another excuse was the local schools couldn't cope if there was a new community arriving !

Here in the North of Ireland I am seeing more and more cultures coming into the country and I think it's great that they are. The troubles are behind us I feel and other cultures feel safer now arriving. Long may this continue.

Yes there have been a number of racial attacks on houses and cars, all
carried out in areas which the D.U.P. controlled. The police will confirm this.Thankfully these attacks are small in number.

I don't have many fans on this site due to my Republican views, but I will be dammed if you think a bigot and a hypocrite is going to speak of Christian valves out of one side of her mouth and breath fire from the other.

With respect given to your freedom of views, and the rights you feel of your party. Understand that as of now any future posts with be met with a response of fact, truth and probably for you embarrassment.

Divis

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 03:19 PM

So, who IS Gillian?????

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Emma B
Date: 24 Apr 06 - 03:26 PM

What is she...?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,redhorse at work
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:00 AM

Obviously not what she says she is: party members NEVER get the name of their party wrong. Surely not Dave Hannam or zelger masquerading as an Ulsterwoman??

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:18 AM

Thread drift is in full swing here!!

Get back to debating the problems of "multiculturalism", the influx of workers from eastern Europe, and the sense of betrayal felt by the "British white working class" which underpins the support for what is of course a Fascist grouping.

By the way, any government which we elect from now on, whether Labour , Conservative or anything else, is likely to be Fascist in nature thanks to the sterling work in removing our civil rights and personal freedoms carried out by Blair and his "Stormtroopers"..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 04:22 AM

I would be happy to discuss multiculturism here, or any where else, but NOT with a "Guest" who immediately defines it a a "problem"

"Who are we British? For a long time the UK has been a multicultural state composed of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and also a multicultural society... made up of a diverse range of cultures and identities, and one that emphasises the need for a continuous process of mutual engagement and learning about each other with respect, understanding and tolerance."

In other words, dual identities have been common, even before large scale immigration" - Professor Sir Bernard Crick Chair of the "Life in the UK" report

I would agree that the present day working class is justified in feeling betrayed by the current employment legislation which fails to offer even the same protection to workers as their European counterparts but this is by no means peculier to the white population.                                                    However it has long been the tactics of the BNP and their ilk to divide workers between themselves and provide an easy scapegoat for their economic ills, whether it be the Jews of Hitler's Germany or the Black, Asian and Eastern European population of present day Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 07:36 AM

If anything we in the North of Ireland are the newcomers to multiculturism.

Due to the Troubles few other cultures came over here in any numbers. I would say having spoken to a lot of them,all seem to like the place and most speak of a warm welcome.

The BNP do exist over here, they have two offices in strongly loyalist areas of Belfast. Most of the race attacks have happened in areas close to their offices.

Our television news reporters always attempt to pin down the local community leaders in these loyalist areas for a response to them, always no one is available for comment.

It is a well known fact that most European, Asia and African cultures seem to settle in nationalist areas of the North of Ireland.

I spoke to a friend recently who has just had a Polish family move in next door to him and he said they asked him to mark out the areas on a map he held of areas that his family shouldn't enter.

I thought that was a sad reflection on my community. We are far from perfect over here, and still in the early stages of a new begining for us all, I hope we can all move on together and make the place work.

All parties are currently willing to get our own assembly up and running again, except one party. And it just happens to be the D.U.P.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 10:25 AM

I do love the posts by "Gillian B". They make fun of such positions by exaggeration. The person at the keyboard has completely different political leanings from "Gillian B". A real world person with Gillian B,'s opinions would not post here.

Enjoy the parody but don't argue seriously with her.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 01:39 PM

Emma B...   "I would be happy to discuss multiculturism here, or any where else, but NOT with a "Guest" who immediately defines it a a "problem".

She then goes on to make her points in a very forceful manner!!

Unfortunately, Miss B seems to inhabit fairyland where all is sunshine and good feelings.

Her naivety in contrasting the amalgamation of the the Scots, Irish, Welsh and English into a homogenous unit ....(ha fucking ha), with the "multiculturalism" we see in the great cities of Scotland and England.

Is Miss B aware that half of Glasgow is owned by Indians and another quarter by Pakistanies.
There is NO intergration of communities, not because the Scots are racist, but because the Indian and Pakistani communities have no wish to integrate!! And have no wish to dilute their culture.
They distrust one another and despise the Scots.
Dont think I am talking through my arse on this one, as I have first hand knowledge of how the Indian landlords operate.
I have a friend who owns a flat in a very good area, overlooking Kelvingrove Park.
She is the only Scots landlord in the whole street, all the other houses being owned by Indians.
For the past five years she has been subjected to a viscious campaign by the man who owns the rest of the flats in her building.
Moving in anti social neighbours to either side and above...leaving leaking pipes in the flat above to damage her property ect...all designed to make her sell at as cheap a price as possible.
This is not an isolated case, but is happening all over Glasgow.

The "problem" in the area where I live is a large number of Eastern European immigrants who take jobs with local firms, then begin to compete for contracts with the people who employ them.
When these contracts are secured, they bring people from their own countries to work for wages which a British family could not sustain themselves on.
The whole system is a very clever piece of manipulation by our government to drive down wages and living standards for our own people.

I am in no way racist, for this argument is all about politics not race, but multiculturalism must work for every section of our society or is completely meaningless...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 02:10 PM

It's the 'but' that trips you up. Did you even READ Emma's post???? Or just start ranting?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 02:25 PM

You are the ranter.
Have you no understanding?....multiculturalism is simply not working in the UK.
If you are attempting to label me as a racist, don't waste your time, as I have protested against facism and racism all my adult life.

"It's the 'but' that trips you up. Did you even READ Emma's post???? Or just start ranting"
What a stupid remark!

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 02:30 PM

You still didn't answer the question.......did you read it or not? Take your 'buts' elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 02:52 PM

I read it.

Where do you live?....Have you any experience of "multiculturalism" in the UK?

"Take your 'buts' elsewhere."....is that a request for me to leave this forum?

Have you any authority to ask me to leave this forum?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 03:59 PM

I can see where you're coming from to some extent Ake, but I find your stated figures totally unbelievable, and would like to know where you got them from?
Glasgow has traditionally always been a city of scruffy rented properties, and I don't suppose for one minute that they've all been 'gentrified', but I just can't believe all of your statements on the figures concerning the percentages of property owned.
If you mean rental properties as opposed to all properties please say so, and please back up your figures.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 04:20 PM

I have as little authority as anybody.....not saying you need to go, just spew your filth elsewhere. And, yes, I have experience with multiculturalism......

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 04:38 PM

Glasgow statistics:

In 2001, the housing stock was estimated to be 285,231; a reduction of almost 3,000 since 1999. The tenure position was estimated as follows:

    * Owner occupied - 47%
    * Private rented - 8%
    * Social rented: local authority - 31%
    * Scottish Homes - 1%
    * Housing associations - 13%

The Scottish 2001 census found that 3.44% of Glasgow's population were born outside Europe.

The numbers Ake has mentioned are not meant to be read verbatim. He isn't a numbers man. It is just his way of saying 'too many'.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 04:50 PM

The percentage of people born outside Eorope means nothing in this context Wolfgang. Most of the Asian origin population of Glasgow were born there, there is a sizeable Asian population in the city.
I always smile to myself when I hear an Asian speaking with a broad Glasgow accent, and there are many of them, that's how integrated most of them are.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:04 PM

So what would you have us do with the East Europeans, Ake? Send them home? Want to tell my dad to pack his bags and go back to Poland on his own or am I included with him. And my kids. And what about the missus. Somewhere back down the line she is of Viking ancestry.

Out of interest - if you care for facts that is - from the 5000 immigrants to Leicester in the last 20 years over 30,000 jobs have been created. What should we do with this section of multi-culturalism that isn't working?

Not having a go at you - just wondering if you have considered all the facts.

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:10 PM

Good point, Giok. But:

94.5% of the population of Glasgow describe themselves as 'white'; 0.72% as 'Indian'; 3.04% as 'Pakistani and other South Asian'...(from the same site)

They could of course have ticked the wrong category in the census. Otherwise it would be hard to understand how 0,72 % Indians in Glasgow own half the property in Glasgow when more than three quarters of the houses are owner occupied or social rented from local authority. Property is more than just houses, Ake's examples however were about houses.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:15 PM

The world is now a village and we all live in it together!

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:23 PM

You want FACTS from Ake????? Oh whee....

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,DG
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:23 PM

"Is Miss B aware that half of Glasgow is owned by Indians and another quarter by Pakistanies.
There is NO intergration of communities, not because the Scots are racist, but because the Indian and Pakistani communities have no wish to integrate!! And have no wish to dilute their culture.
They distrust one another and despise the Scots.
Dont think I am talking through my arse on this one, as I have first hand knowledge of how the Indian landlords operate."

Ake you idiot!!! I'm sorry one of your friends had a bad experience, but does that need to tarnish a whole community. Do you have any Asian friends? I imagine not.

"And have no wish to dilute their culture" - when have they had chance? Imagine moving to Glasgow and seeing the sectarian violence every friday/saturday night (this really does take place) - would YOU want to get out and about amongst it?
I hope not!

As I've previously stated, I've lived in Scotland most my life and found the treatment of the English disgusting. I've been physically threatened because of my accent!

Get a grip man. Before you start criticising other people, take a look at yourself first. All the talk of the Scots being warm-hearted is nonsense. Since I've moved to London I've found people to be much more open-minded and friendly.

Racist fool.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:53 PM

I hope to Christ Gillian has never lived in Scotland, sorry folks I am lost in that neck of the woods. Lived in London and agree great people.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 05:56 PM

You are correct Wolfgang my figures were exaggerated, but yours are hopelessly out of date. Almost all of the West End has been bought up by Indian landlords for private rental in the last five years.

The same thing is happening South of the river in Shawlands, Pollockshaws ect, the whole area becoming a Pakistani enclave.

Jock knows the area and the people and reckons they are integrated, but I cant agree.
There is more to integration than the adoption of a Glasgow accent,
how many times have you been asked to visit an Indian or Pakistani home. How many close friends do you have in the Indian or Pakistani communities?
I despair that there has not been more real integration in Scotland but this has not been the fault of the Scots who have always accepted immigrants with good grace from before the start of the last century.
Scots are well known for hospitality and friendliness.

And this Scot is now about to take Sorcha's advice and go "spew his filth somewhere else"....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,DG
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 06:07 PM

"Scots are well known for hospitality and friendliness."

That old chesnut!
Oh yeah, they're really friendly to people who are the same religion, nationality and skin colour as them... sounds great!!!

"How many close friends do you have in the Indian or Pakistani communities?"

Clearly more than you!

Spew your filth elsewhere. This thread was started with the aim of highlighting the problems of the BNP, not to spout racist views.



"All you fascists are bound to lose"

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 06:10 PM

Guest DG...If the Scots are racist as you contend, why has the BNP made no progress in Scotland?

It is from large areas of England that the Fascists of the BNP gather support.

You have the typical arrogant attitude of the English on Safari in Scotland. I'm sure my Scots freens on Mudcat will share my pleasure in "seein' the back o' ye"...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 06 - 06:50 PM

Guest DG....For your futher information, the friend I mention married an Asian many years ago in America.
They are still together and I am proud to call them both my friends.
We have discussed this topic on many occasions and with more grace than shown by many of the contributers here.
I hope this sets your mind at rest regarding my "politically correct" credentials.

Sorcha from the good ole U S of A, obviously hasn't a scooby about racial or political matters in the UK. That FACT dosn't seem to stop him/her shooting his/her mouth off though :0)....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 02:51 AM

I see by recent press reports that here in the north of Ireland the BNP are to strengthen their base, by having further further meetings with Protestant extremists groups, they will have very willing listeners.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Terry K
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 03:23 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the BNP and similar groups only spring to life because some parts of society see a need for them. They only continue to exist because conditions are seen not to be getting any better by their supporters. So long as the government has no policy on these issues - other than totally ignoring all the obvious signs of conflict and telling people to love each other (!) the BNP will continue to exist. And middle class left wing ranting is of no use except to the ranters themselves.

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,DG
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:10 AM

Ake, I was never on 'Safari' in Scotland, I moved there as a child (6yrs), went to Uni there and left when I was 23.

"You have the typical arrogant attitude of the English on Safari in Scotland. I'm sure my Scots freens on Mudcat will share my pleasure in "seein' the back o' ye"...Ake "

Thats a good one. I still go home every other month. When asked, I always tell I've been brought up in Scotland, and most of my friends are Scottish.

As far as the spread of the BNP is concerned - have you ever seen or heard the flag waving antics of the Rangers football fans? Of course, they're not BNP members, but songs about the billy-boys sound pretty racist to me!

I have to agree with Terry, in that "middle class left wing ranting is of no use except to the ranters themselves." - I think he was trying to have a bit of a dig here, but what he's saying is essentially true.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 04:21 AM

DG, it would seem invidious to quote the misdemeanours of the Rangers fans, and not mention the equally prejudiced and hatefull songs and actions of the Celtic fans as well.
G..