BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:30 PM

Early results often indicate trends. It does NOT look good for the guy I hope wins.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:39 PM

Among registered Democrats, Peace. The Indies are big for Obama. And only 26% of the precincts are in.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:43 PM

Didn't McCain win N.H.in 1999 ... in some ways this primary is all so meaningless.No need to get yer shorts all in a knot over.

Anways, after November's election you have the mid term elections to look forward too.

Seems to me the U.S. is in a constant state of campaigning ... no wonder nothing ever gets done.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:49 PM

51% in.

Clinton: 39%
Obama: 37%

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:51 PM

The true winners in this primary are the proprietors of the local diners, motels and Dunkin Donuts in N.H.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:51 PM

Not to worry... The urban areas always bring in the more liberal results...

Fingers crossed...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:54 PM

What urban areas haven't been counted yet, Bobert?

Manchester's in, and that's our biggest city.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:56 PM

Who won the Democrat nomination in N.H. in the last election.

What happened to him in the final Big Summer Convention?

biLL (failing to see what the fuss is all about)

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: freightdawg
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:05 PM

Weird to look at the county results. The Obama counties clearly outnumber the Clinton counties. Clinton must have focused on the population centers. Smaller counties almost all have gone to Obama, with a few for Clinton. Edwards showed up in second twice, by my look-see.

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: freightdawg
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:12 PM

Boy, what a difference a refresh makes...must of been a bushel of Clinton counties come in at once.

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:12 PM

I am listening to a really interesting live show covering this put on by Brave New Films and The Young Turks. Interesting commentary and discussion plus live texting by listeners.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:17 PM

Regardless ... there are many, many children in the U.S. tonite who have gone to bed hungry.

but

Let the campaigns go on! I hope your team wins.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:23 PM

Clinton, a senator from New York, held a 39 percent to 37 percent edge over Obama, an Illinois senator, with 53 percent of New Hampshire's 301 precincts reporting, according to an Associated Press tally. Former North Carolina Senator John Edwards had 17 percent, and CNN projected that Edwards would end up in third place, based on exit polls.

(Bloomberg)

Creeping toward sunrise....

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:25 PM

Clinton        65,129         39%
Obama        60,766         36   
Edwards        28,088         17   
Richardson        7,952         5   
Kucinich        2,423         1   
Gravel        232         0   
63% reporting

This was about 10:15 EST.


A

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:26 PM

Freightdog, where are you seeing the counties?

They're saying on the news the college towns aren't in, and they might make a difference. I doubt enough, but it's not over 'til it's over.

As Edwards is now saying, 99% of America hasn't yet voted.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Janie
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:29 PM

My last post disappeared into cyberspace, apparently. so I'll ask again.

Freightdawg (or anyone else,) are you looking at a site where the demographics would be apparent to some one not familiar with New Hampshire? If so, would you provide a link?

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: freightdawg
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:46 PM

Jeri, I was just following the results on the MSN web page. They have an option to look at statewide results, or county by county. I just clicked on the county results. Sorry I can't be of much more use.

MSN is reporting Clinton has won with 39% to 36% for Obama. Be prepared for the media to be harping on the comeback kid part II ad nauseum.

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 10:47 PM

IT'S A GREAT COUNTRY!

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:33 PM

It's a football game.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:36 PM

Hillary has been declared the primary winner in the State of New Hampshire, by a close margin.


A

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:37 PM

I already knew Amos .... for about 40 minutes. I guess you missed her 'moving' victory speech.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:37 PM

It's a great country--if you enjoy self-destructive Democrats--perhaps you do, Rig? As I said earlier, her big plus is supposedly "experience". McCain will eat her for breakfast on "experience".

Obama's strength is "change"--and legions of young people willing to help bring that about. McCain will have nothing to counter that--if Obama is the nominee. If Hillary is the nominee, the Democrats--and all liberals--have big problems.

How can these Democrats not see this?

At least it was close. Hope Obama's young supporters don't get discouraged--he can tell them this is a lesson that you have to pick yourself up and keep going. He could still win South Carolina.


But as I also noted, why the hell didn't Obama and Edwards join forces?--they still can--if Edwards volunteers to be Obama's VP. But he shows no signs of that.

Here we go again with another long bloody, expensive Democratic primary season--unless Hillary sweeps on Super-Duper Tuesday. Which will solve no problem--except McCain's--giving him the opponent the Republicans have always wanted.

Well, Rig says it's a great country, so it must be true--for him, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:41 PM

And remember, according to LH's survey, "Canadian respondents favored" Hillary. So at least they should also be happy. Hope they're as happy with the fall election.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: number 6
Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:57 PM

LH probably read that in the Packet and Times ... notably a very unreliable news rag.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 12:29 AM

If McCain goes after her in a negative way, women will come out for her in droves. Whether we like her or agree with her or not, it IS historic that she is running and women will come to the forefront if they feel sexism is getting in the way and harming one of their own. As a feminist, I am just plain excited that she is running and doing so well. She is NOT my first choice, but I'd certainly vote for her over any of the GOP candidates, any day.

I agree with hoping Edwards and Obama joining up. They would make a great team, but Edwards keeps saying he is in it for the long haul, so who knows.

They are still going on Brave Net.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: mg
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 12:35 AM

I won't vote for her regardless of how sexist it gets. She scares the daylights out of me. mg

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: autolycus
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 03:18 AM

I trust everyone who posted rereads this thread forseld-examination purposes.

Popped this in to see how early the earliest correct caler was.

   Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 07:48 AM

mg - What is it about Hillary that concerns you?

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 08:48 AM

I like both Edwards and Obama, but as a ticket? They're too similar in more ways, and if Obama wins the nomination, he's going to need someone who'll bring something he doesn't have. I DON'T think Richardson is a good choice, but I just don't think Richardson is in that league. Could be wrong, and I certainly don't have any other ideas.

I honestly don't know if I'd vote for Hillary if she were nominated. Listening to her over the last week or so, I don't think she's quite the force for evil that I'd believed. Still, with her, 'I' this and 'me' that, and a campaign blatantly tailored to fit the polls, I may wind up writing in a vote for the first time.

NH has been called a 'Clinton' state, and Hillary's support had been pretty solid. She didn't gain it so much as win it back. Obama started pretty much from scratch. Other states aren't so conservative, and most of them have yet to vote.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 08:50 AM

Be it Hillary or Obama as long as they appoint Robert Reich and a few other good money people, we may be able to comfortably survive the biggest theft of the US treasury in history.
Its gonna hurt no matter what. After the censorship bandage is ripped off I expect the sight of the wound to the US econmomy may make some people faint of heart.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 09:10 AM

I'll second that. I wonder what can possibly be done to repair the damage.

                I would happily vote for Hillary, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 09:14 AM

Bear in mind that Clinton and Obama each carried 8 delegates away from New Hampshire and it's THAT, not the number of votes each received, that counts.

I wouldn't call a split decision a victory....

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 09:21 AM

Well, there may not be much that mg and I agree on but we agree that we ain't votin' for Hillary!!!

As for my N.H. predictions??? Not too good... I predicted that Hillary would win based on her organization and I predicted that Romney would do the same for the same reason... I was half right and half wrong...

But Obama did as I predicted in coming in close behind Hillary and so he's didn't have as bad a day in N.H. and Hillary did in Iowa...

Obama/Richardson in '08...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 09:27 AM

The New Hampshire results were surprising to me but that's OK. It makes the bigger primaries more important and that is not inappropriate.

I still don't anticipate the Democratic Primary getting as nasty as the Republican battle. So I'm very comfortable with both Clinton and Obama being the focus of increased scruntiny.

They also need to be prepared to deal with the vicious attacks that will be generated from the Republican National Committee surrogates. One wonders what their favorite script will be.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 09:37 AM

I hate to say this, but I think Clinton's time has passed.

We have to face it: the Sixties Generation has done a really lousy job of supplying national leaders. WClinton was okay, which isn't saying much. And GW...well...were I in his platoon in combat I wouldn't get too upset if he were fragged. Look at some of the others: Karl Rove, Newt Gingerich....

I think it's time to just quietly put the whole thing away and skip the generation I grew up with. See what Obama can do.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 09:49 AM

I agree, Mister Rapaire. MEbbe you're not suich a Republican after all.


A

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 09:54 AM

...were I in his platoon in combat... Dubya in a combat platoon? Now that is over the top fantasy.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 10:08 AM

Jaysus. Just give the enemy your tactical plan and save them the trouble of getting any of themselves wounded or killed. That guy (Dubya) could not organize a one car parade.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 11:03 AM

For some of us Obama is of our generation, although on the tail end. He is only eight years younger than I.

Anyone who would vote Republican just to vote against Hillary, deserves all that another four years of GOP domination would bring about. Folks who help the GOP by voting third party are doing nothing for our country but throwing away any opportunity to heal our country, imo.

OBama/Richardson would be a great duo, imo, also.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 01:37 PM

Ron, the Canadian national survey apparently showed that more Canadians would favor Hillary Clinton overall, among the Democratic candidates. I don't feel that way. I favour Kucinich the most. After him, I favour Obama and Edwards about equally. Then Richardson. And after them I favour Hillary Clinton and Ron Paul! And that about covers it as to who I would vote for if I could in your election.

The main point of the Canadian survey, however, was that 4 out of 5 Canadians would favour ANY of the democratic candidates over electing any Republican candidate, and that shows the difference between Canada and the USA in a nutshell. Even a solid majority of the Canadians who call themselves "conservatives" would vote for a Democratic candidate in this American election.

It shows how far skewed to the Right American politics has become, that being something that is pretty obvious to people in the rest of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 01:48 PM

"The main point of the Canadian survey, however, was that 4 out of 5 Canadians would favour ANY of the democratic candidates over electing any Republican candidate, and that shows the difference between Canada and the USA in a nutshell. Even a solid majority of the Canadians who call themselves "conservatives" would vote for a Democratic candidate in this American election."

LH, that indicates to me that the Democrats are so friggin' conservative athat even Canuck Concervatives would vote for them, concommitantly indicating that most of us perceive the Republicans to be much too right-wing for Canuck sensibilities. (IMO.)

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Bee
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 01:55 PM

As LH says - our most conservative Conservatives think most of your lefties are too far to the Right. Pretty much any Republican candidate so far makes us slew our eyes South like a nervous caribou sensing a wolf pack. We know some of you are runnin' outta water. Even ol' Obama is rumoured to have made noises about revisiting trade arrangements with Canada, likely to our detriment.

Much as we like Americans as individuals, I'd bet there's not a Canadian alive who hasn't had the occasional nightmare about what happens when the financially strapped neighbours really start hurting for natural resources.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:02 PM

Damn right. Look, there IS no genuinely liberal party to vote for in the USA. There's a rabidly conservative, downright fascist party in alliance with the Religious Right: the Republicans. And then there's a conservative willing-to-be-fascist-if-it-gets-them-elected party: the Democrats.

So what the hell would a Canadian do in that case? He would vote the lesser of two very considerable evils.

The Democrats may be capable of becoming a genuinely liberal party again someday...with the right leadership...so one hopes for the best.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:04 PM

I hope that Obama gets in. We might be able to restore friendly relations with our neighbours to the south and north-west. I don't see that becoming a reality with any other 'winner'.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Jim Lad
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:06 PM

How refreshing to see the voters in New Hampshire refusing to be told how to vote by the main stream media.
How utterly embarrassing to watch CNN refusing to concede until Obama was at the microphone.
The Republicans would eat him for breakfast and the media knows it.
Hence, the free pass.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:10 PM

If not in combat, how about "I wouldn't back him in a bar fight." He knows something about drinking.

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:13 PM

Ayeh. Yon W knows entirely too much about that.


A

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: number 6
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:20 PM

"more Canadians would favor Hilary Clinton overall"

What this inidcates to me is that most Canadians don't even know the other Democrat candidates. Hilary Clinton is the only one they know and by name only ... in regards to favouring Democrats over Republicans, well they associate Republican with Bush (like everyone esle in the world) and they are not going to take that direction.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:22 PM

No Canadian politician in living memory has been elected on the basis of his military record or his combat experience. It is not what people in this country assume would make someone a good civilian political leader. What makes someone a good civilian political leader is his or her intelligence, good character, honesty, past civilian experience on the job, education, and that sort of thing.

Countries which constantly engage in aggressive imperial warfare abroad and/or civil oppression at home are usually the ones who want some guy with a bunch of medals on his chest at the helm...and it's NOT generally such a good sign when you see it. (there may be the odd exception to that, depending on circumstances)

Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 08 - 02:27 PM

However, I think that Lewis MacKenzie or Roméo Dallaire (now in the Senate--appointed position) would make good leaders despite their past military lives. They are both incredible leaders who engender trust.