BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 12:35 AM

well spotted brucie,
i'm suprised Timbo/Josh can figure out how to vote, must take them all day to figure out how to spell X!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Timbo
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 12:38 AM

I tend to agree. We havn't voted for them since. It was only the once as a protest. I am not racist, I have friends of many nationalities and anyone is welcome to come and live in this country and have jobs here. What I am against is them sponging from the State when they havn't paid a single penny into the system at all. It's lunacy and a company that ran a business along similar lines would soon be bankrupt. As I think this country will be if things continue the way they are.

Thank you for your interest. But never fear, I would not be party to bringing racism into power. I only voted for them once and then it was only a local government election. They also didn't have a hope in hell of being elected. Had they been, I wouldn't have voted for them. (There is a large Asian community in my neighbourhood and they are not likely to vote for the BNP).

So thank you for your input. I am not taking over from Josh, as I would never vote for the BNP on a regular basis, I am merely pointing out my reasons for voting the way I did at the time. I did it in a clear and calculated way. I do have an IQ in more than double figures not in single figures as was suggested by Mr Minority the do-gooder from Hull.

Timbo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 12:40 AM

another thing that pisses me off about these arseholes=they say they are so proud of british culture, yet they probably wouldn't know culture if it hit them in the face.

They spout Patriotism, yet how british is the royal family?
Queeen is German, Phil Is Greek!

Josh/Timbo-I'm not English, you going to kick me out?
if so, where to?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 12:43 AM

Before you answer my last question, bear in mind that I have thought for this country, and have been working here for more than 20 years.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Timbo
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 01:04 AM

I have no intention of kicking anyone out of this country. Like I have said earlier, I do not object to anyone living here. They are welcome. Do you not read what I am writing or have you decided I am a racist bigot and because you think that I am that I must be? Because if that is what you think, you are wrong.

Read what I am saying. I did not vote for the BNP on racist grounds. I voted for them as a protest against our poiticians taking no notice of the wishes of the majority of the population. In a way I was voting for democracy.

I presume your last message was supposed to say you fought for this country, not thought. I also fought for this country, I spent 25 years in the Army. So thank you for your support and long may you remain here.

Timbo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 02:31 AM

Which regiment was you in, and how did you manage to spend 25 years in the army?
[for anyone to spend more than 22 years in the army, except in time of war is highly unusual!]
If you signed up in time of war, and your commision was extended because of the war, this would make you around 100 years old!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Timbo
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 02:55 AM

Easy

I joined boys service at the age of 15 and left after my 22 years service at the age of 40. I was originally in the Royal Artillery and later transferred into the Army Physical Training Corps.

Timbo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Cllr
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 05:28 AM

For those of you that agree with the title of this thread (timbo et al) my wife just commented "It just goes to show that you can fool some of the people some of the time!" Clr

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Fiolar
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 05:38 AM

There were a few comments about "fuck the Nazis". What a waste of good sperm. I'm sure there are better things to do with it.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 05:38 AM

Timbo, I'm inclinded to believe you are sincere but doubt you when you say "We are intelligent...". It is quite stupid even to give the BNP temporary support.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Nemesis
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 06:06 AM

From Private Eye, 20 August - 3 September 2004

Funny Old World column:

Spotted in the Maryland Live Journal, 27 May

"The little missus was away at a Tupperware convention, so I had to do my own laundry," Klansman Arnie Stevens told reporters outside his home in Pigeon Hole, Oklahoma. "But I'm not used to washing clothes, and they say this has happened because I didn't separate my whites from my coloureds. A Cincinnati Red's tee-shirt must have gotten into the wash, that's why my robe turned pink. This just goes to show that segregation is the way of the Lord. In laundry and also in life."

Stevens was speaking after trying to attend a Ku Klux Klan rally, dressed in a pink hood and pink robe, and being ordered to leave. "I only have one robe and hood, so I had to wear them. But the others told me to go home immediately, because they said pink made me look like a faggot. Unfortunately, my fellow Klansmen judged me solely on the colour of my robe. But I can't help what colour my robe is, can I? It's what's inside that counts."

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 06:26 AM

Timbo(or Josh)..what are you doing here? Could you tell us your opinion of the merits of Ewan McColl as a song-writer, where you stand on acoustic v electric Dylan, whether horses sing folksong or whatever? And if you do not have opinions on these subjects,go away

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 06:27 AM

we can control them, use them for our own purposes....isn't that what the Germans middle classes thought initially.

In truth they are a pestilence on all that is decent and democratic about our society, they are not to be tolerated.

the harm they did even in my time has been incalculable.

In the 70's , they called themselves the National Front. The Anti Nazi League set out to combat them. This body of left wingers disrupted every election speech James Callaghan made in 1979 and as a result Thatcher was elected.

In the 2nd year of her reign we lost 28% of the manafacturing capablity of this country. Then we lost the mines, most of the steel industry and we had a hard drugs industry and beggars on the street for the first time in living memory.

All done to the strains of Rule Britannia

spare me your bloody patriotism. No real patriot, nobody who really loved this country ever voted for Thatcher , Tebbit, or their accomplices on the far right.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 03:31 PM

Timbo,

I have one question for you. Who referred you to the Mudcat? Just curious. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: M'Grath of Altcar
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 03:46 PM

It's a troll conspi-race-y.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 05:47 PM

Just to let u know, I have got a job and money to work for which is why I have been away. Also, I cannot access this website oddly enough and also my wireless connection sometimes plays up. Plus I thought my thread had died, but obviously not.

Peace out lads.

Take care.

Josh

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: greg stephens
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 05:51 PM

Well Josh I am continuing with my work which involves making beautiful music with asylum seekers. Who bring something very lovely to this fine country of ours, unlike the pondlife party you vote for.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 06:10 PM

Josh,

Get a membership. Love to see you and Timbo in the same room together.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Josh
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 06:53 PM

Done. My email is [e-mail].

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 07:18 PM

There goes the neighbourhood....

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Cllr
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 07:36 PM

Im a conservative I voted thatcher I don't vote or believe in the values of BNP, Wee little drummer I accuse you of THREAD DRIFT. You want a debate over it lets do it over A pint. If you want to imply that the conservative party are the same as the BNP then you are as big a bigot as the national front, SWP and the rest of that ilk. Cllr

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 07:56 PM

Hey, I like Josh. He didn't once lose his cool which is a helluva lot more than I can say for myself. He will come along.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 04 - 08:05 PM

Let's use a racing analogy. At first, Josh tested the waters. It was a pit stop of sorts. He has returned to the race, and despite the time lost he will continue.

Josh, ya have to enter your datd when you frist log on to the 'cat.

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Josh
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 06:31 AM

My datd? If u meant date I'm still not sure what u mean... sorry old boy!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 07:03 AM

no I don't.

I think conservatism is good idea. but I think a load of right wing idiots hi-jacked the party, they're there at every party conference looking and sounding stupid.

John MacGregor was the best education secretary since the war, but he soon discovered Keith Joseph's plans for a national curriculum were crazy - so they sacked him and put a yes man in the job.

Hesseltine took a principled stand over Westland, and because he opposed Thatch the looneys chose a loser like Major .

Portillo is the only one who could lead the party to victory and they won't choose him , because he was frank aboout a youthful sexual indiscretion.

And yes I think the NF were feeling pretty shot up the arse, when Thatch came up with that line about polluting our national blood (or whatever it was) in 79. You can't deny she nicked their best line.

I bet Josh would have voted for her. He who sups with the devil....etc

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Josh
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 08:27 AM

She sorted the country out though didn't she? But admittedly, she left it in a mess. Politics is swings and roundabouts. Your never going to find a party u totally agree with. Diplomatics and politics are all about compromises and meeting the needs of the many. Ofcourse you're not going to like everything. It's impossible. Every person has different needs.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 09:56 AM

weelittledrummer, I am not a conservative (as if that needed spelling out) so it's not really my business, but I've never understood the contempt John Major atracted.

To me, a socialist, he was an ordinary decent bloke, born into circumstances that gave him no advantage whatsoever, who made it to the top on the strength of his own ability and who tried to do his best for his country by his own lights. That's quite a lot more than could be said for the present leader of the Labour Party, which is why I refused to campaign for Labour in the 97 election.

Moreover Major was not a loser in any meaningful sense. Thanks to our crazy voting system, it was his lot to govern with a tiny-to-nonexistant majority, despite the Tories getting more votes in 92 than those that got Labour its landslide in 97. And Major could hardly be blamed for 97 - by then Labour was wearing Tory clothes, promising to stay wtihin Tory spending limits (which the then Tory chancellor Ken Clarke has admitted even the Tories would not have done).

Getting back to the subject: anyone who, like Timbo, might be thinking of voting BNP as "a warning shot" should remember that Hitler was elected, and no doubt many of the votes he got were intended as "warning shots." When he was asked to form a government it was because he was the only party leader in a position to do so. It was only after becoming chancellor that he changed the rules.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 01:38 PM

Josh,

Obviously I was tryin' to tell you something. I have no idea what, because you ARE logged on with a real name and stuff like that. It's the meds, son, it's the meds.

Welcome to the 'cat.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Timbo
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:33 PM

brucie

I was introduced by friends from the folk scene. They said it was good fun in the chat rooms. Seems they were wrong, I feel as if I have been sentenced to death by voting once for the BNP for very good reasons. Funny old world isn't it.

I must say that some people on mudcat can't read, refuse to listen or possibly don't understand English. (Not a crime really) However when I am being accused of being Josh and being a racist and that I should have my balls cut off, I wonder if I should bother to try to put any form of debate forward. I have plenty of other things that will keep me busy in my life that will not insult me and my intelligence.

So its fare thee well I am afraid. Hope you find your God and that you achieve everything that you want in life.

For those of you that know him, I am a friend of Leadfingers. Ask him if I am Josh.

Wishing you well,

Timbo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 04:48 PM

Well Timbo, FWIW, I could be wrong but I still believe you are sincere and that you are not Josh - a poster who to be honest, I am very suspicious of.

I'm sorry to hear you feel that way but at least from my side there is nothing even close to a "death sentance" being considered.

That however does not alter my view that to even give an organsiation like the BNP one second's support for what ever reason is at best misguided.

Good luck,

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Josh
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 05:15 PM

Read my earlier posts and u may heed that remark you just made. I would never vote for the BNP again however I thought it would provide some positive discussion. However many just seem to be close minded.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 06:01 PM

John Major - the glory years!

You're quite right of course - he had none of the advantages life can bestow upon a politician. He had no original ideas, no charisma and he sounded like a speak you weight machine. That somebody who resembled a presentable human being like Michael Hesseltine or Ken Clarke wasn't leading the party at this point is entirely the fault of the twats in hats at the party conference. certainly made John Smith and Blair 's job a damn sight easier.

Major did have the advantage of fighting an election against the one bloke in England who had even less skill in constructing a coherent sentence - Neil K.

Every time you heard questions in parliament and Kinnock went for that 3rd alliteration , your heart sank...."Does the Prime Minister agree that his policies are sanctimonious, sociopathic and sun dried tomatoes....." You could almost hear the nation go as one , "What a flipping idiot!"

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Cllr
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 07:03 PM

I know who you are timbo and you are not josh. I just didn't want to draw attention to it. The comments from josh are regurgitated BNP propaganda.
WLD- John Major was an excellent politician and a nice bloke to boot I was lucky enough to meet him sevral times and a university friend of mine wrked with him for six months. His intefrity is peerless ( intended joke for those who get it) he managed to operate a government that had a negative majority. Kinnock for all his faults was a great orater and produced some of the great speeches of the twentieth Century (from an accepted academic view point) He also started off the modernisation of the labour party to enable it to become New labour. Of course any one of the hard left woould say this was a crime of an unforgivable nature, Any one who despises our current system won't have a good word to say about any of the politicians from any of the major parties, and the word democracy gets banded about without consideration for the meaning of the word. Its a bit like good taste and bad taste = bad taste is what I don't like and good taste is what I do like. Some people seem to think this applies to democracy as well. I can understand why people vote BNP but it is racist and I abhore the methods they use. in this thread some people are confusing nationalism with racism they are two different ideologies but rascism has been around a lot longer. generalising on the web and in this sort of thread rarely allows anything but the briefest of opinions unless you are blessed with a clarity of style way beyond my humble abilities or my level of patience. Night all Cllr

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 08:01 PM

WLD, you're obviously starstruck on Heseltine and Portillo, so no point expecting you to appreciate John Major's qualities. But for me he is the guy who, together with Albert Reynolds, showed enough courage and vision to start the process that brought peace of sorts to Northern Ireland. Something Wilson, Heath, Callaghan and Thatcher had all attempted without success. (Let me repeat, for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know, I am a socialist, not a Tory.)

Josh, I've never doubted your existence, nor confused you with Timbo, nor thought you were merely peddling BNP propaganda. (For a start, I don't think any true BNP apologist would have lost heart in the cause so quickly.) Admittedly I did have the advantage of having seen your earlier post in another thread (the one where you signed in as "Aston University" I think). But don't be surprised that the slightest evidence of support for the BNP should provoke an extreme reaction. You noted at the outset its thuggish element, and if you got closer to them you would see that this thuggish element prevails in everything they're about. They prey on people's fears, and exploit ignorance. A thoroughly bad crew. (Anyone who classes them alongside communists, SWP, etc as Cllr and brucie have done above is giving them a respectability they don't deserve.)

And frankly Timbo, if Leadfingers does indeed tolerate your stupidity enough to count you as a friend, then you have just lowered him in my esteem. You know precisely what the BNP is all about. To know that, and yet still to give them your vote is crass beyond words. I notice you have made only the most pathetic of attempts to explain why you chose to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:11 AM

Them bloody darkies!, they come over here, get all the best new houses built for them, goverment give them free cars, and they've ALL got moblie phones!
its a bloddy disgrace, rate payers, national service, wasn't like this in my day, national service, that'll teach em, bring back hanging, never like this in my day, leave your door unlocked all day, no respect, clip 'round the ear, Enoch Powell, two bob for a haircut, national service, bloddy darkies.
There, now I've covered all the points you had to raise [josh & Timbo], now kindly fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Chris Green
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 11:25 AM

Re Thatcher - "She sorted out the country, but she left it in a mess"!? (Oxy) MORON!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 01:45 PM

LOL, Sir John!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 04 - 06:31 PM

Timbo,

Shit happens. Your years in the military taught you that.

The thing about getting your knickers cut off--I'm still working on UK English, so I hope knickers is/are an appropriate paraphrase for that disgusting reference to the testes-hangers-orbs word that was used above in such an uncultured manner . . . well, someone said it's not a death sentence. Fu#kin' well would be to me! Anyway, hie yer arse back and get in the game.

m

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 04:49 AM

The idiots at the BNP recently booked a black DJ for a disco at their annual conference, they reckon he sounded white over the phone!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 05:00 AM

Anway, just out of interest, the nationality of the highest number of illegal immigrants currently in the UK is Australian!

I bet the BNP won't mention that in their leaflets!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 05:08 AM

You don't have to be a racist to vote BNP. There are plenty of racists who don't. Being misguided is enough.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Josh
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 09:41 AM

Ooooh election time's coming along soon guys (UK) Who ya going to vote for? I'm voting Labour, purely cos they're ok, not brilliant, and even though they're screwing over Students with top up fees, the policy makes sense....

But then so did going to war with Iraq at the time...

Josh (yes I'm back and I've re-encarnated the thread)

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 10:15 AM

Still as interested in folk music as ever, eh, Josh?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 10:17 AM

Josh-Fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 01:41 PM

Well ,,,,

There will soon be an election and the two main parties are quite beyond the pale. I would have great emotional pain to vote for New Labour, simply to keep the Conservatives out. But I am in difficulty finding an acceptable alternative.

Incidentally, it would be interesting if we did have some hard statistics on immigrants, and types of immigrants - and indeed sections of the population. Are those with identifiable characteristics disproportionately represented in particular sectors?

What do we actually know? It is easy to assume that you have seen what you think you have seen, but in Gravesend, my home town (I live a bit outside actually), we have seen the newapaper reports of the deadly knife fights on the trains - apparently between Kosovan gangs. A friend of mine's daughter has twice been threatened with assault. Both times by persons whose English indicated they were not native English speakers. So I am told. Conversely the only person recently to have threatened me with a knife was plainly a native English speaker, and he did so because I was (rashly) objecting in a pub to a BNP diatribe. Do we actually know whether immigrants, or any particular identifiable group, are more likely to use edged weapons?

What about the drugs trade? In Gravesend there was a well known local family that was an important factor in the local drugs trade. Their name might have made it sound as if they were from one particular ethnic group, but in fact they were from another.

Whatever happened to Eysenck's research on IQ related to nature/nurture? Was it rigorous? I always assumed it was self-selective, but if it really did stand up, should something similar be repeated, or do we have to take it on faith that all men are equal, and if we do, does that apply to women too? Is it sexist, for example, to say that men are by nature more attracated to visual pornography, or to violence, than women are?

Indeed, if we go to "class" as well, why should not those who advocate social mobility not adopt the civilities of the classes into which they seek to be mobile?

I think I'll stop now and toss this over for discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Com Seangan
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 01:46 PM

I dunno. Josh's post is so bereft of reason that it hardly merits getting all hot and bothered about.

But don't abuse the eejit. If he wants to make a point, let him make it. I am interested in what he says: ""THEY should adapt to ours if they want the priveledge of living in the UK. I would do exactly that if I was in their country. And now they're building a Bank of Islam in the UK...""

So, Josh, if you went to an Islamic country you'd have the British missus Or girl friend) wear the hejab and cover her pretty face ? Fair play. Not many Brits do that. But it is a matter of choice.

"And now they are building a Bank of Islam"... oh dear! But what on earth is wrong with that??. The Bank of Scotland is in Ireland for years - and nobody has made a fuss. And I don't think the Scots have any ambitions of taking over the country. But - still - you'd never know what they have under their kilt.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Josh
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 02:43 PM

Ok guest... I'm going to rise to ur insult for the first time in this forum and on this thread and say to u, fuck off, show ur ill ridden face and log in as ur true self u dumbshit and then talk contstructively rather than taking a rather cheap shot at me. Arsehole.

Richard, I don't know who to vote for anymore....

Com... just step back from my previous postings, I'm looking at the present and future now for my siblings and future children's sake.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Chris Green
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 05:40 PM

This is not a cheap shot, Josh, or an attempt to get a rise. But if you genuinely repudiate all the stuff above, why refresh it by adding to a thread that's been dormant for two months? Particularly since your post of 09:41 doesn't really have anything to do with anything that has come previously. Wouldn't it perhaps be better to start a new thread on this topic? If you do I'll gladly join in a debate on the pros and cons of the coming election with you!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 06:06 PM

I am getting a headache, Josh. You won't like me when I have a headache.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 06:10 PM

200 josh go play with the traffic.